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Re: NVDA AND GOOGLE CLASSROOM

Kevin Chao
 

Yes, Google Classroom is fully accessible, even with NVDA


On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 8:30 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Also, as an FYI, virtually all of the various Google sites/web apps can be reached using the general form  {appname}.google.com if you're logged in under the account that has access to that given app.  For example:

mail.google.com

docs.google.com or drive.google.com

calendar.google.com

classroom.google.com  (which I can get to the main window, but no further, because I don't have an account for this service)

I use this technique to bring up these different Google services/apps as frequently, if not more frequently, than ever using the app launch key on any of the Google app screens.

--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



NVDA with Dialog Box

David Russell
 

Hello group,

I was filling out a form online for something recently, and there was
a field that asks for one to select a category.

I pressed enter on the given link, and it said that for screen
readers, the link does not work, go to previous link.

The previous link was just called category, and the field before that
is subject. I could fill that in with my created topic.
So, there is subject, forward tab once to category, tab forward again
to "link category.

When pressing enter on "category" NVDA says dialog box. Arrow keys and
or tab keys do not show any named categories; control home and control
end, NVDA just says "blank."

Is there something I am missing here?

Thanks in advance for input.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com
Character consists of what you do on the third and fourth tries.
James A. Michener


Re: How to reach cookie warning banners in Windows 10

Gene
 

Which would explain, if it is correct, why I've never seen such a message.  I don't use do not track. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fwd: How to reach cookie warning banners in Windows 10

Hello,

If I'm understanding correctly, this message is by the web page. It is part of the web page itself and can be found, read and interact with within the virtual buffer. Where in the virtual buffer it will be, depends on the web page in question. Usually it is either on the top or on the bottom of the page. There the user can find a control (button, link, clickable item, or something similar), witch will allow the user to dismiss the message. But it is not necessary to dismiss it - it can safely be ignored - it is just an informative message - nothing else. This message will most certainly appear in a web page if the "Do not track" feature of the browser in use is enabled. At least those are my observations.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


На 29.7.2016 г. в 18:35, Gene написа:
But the question is why is this being seen?  Also, it isn't clear whether this is a part of a web page or something displayed by the browser. F6 will only be useful if the item is displayed as certain kinds of structures by the browser and not by the web page itself.  We don't know.  We need more information.  If possible, a link to one of the pages where this occurs should be given.  List members need to see if they see the item when going to the page.  This may be something that a browser settings change will correct.  Or it may not.  Whatever it is, we need more information. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fwd: How to reach cookie warning banners in Windows 10

Hi Brian:
Try pressing f6 once or twice, I think that is the command to switch
from one pane to another.
Kevin Huber


On 7/28/16, Brian Crabtree <pandbcrabtree@...> wrote:
> Excuse me for posting this question again. Perhaps because of heavy focus on
> other topics, it got no replies the first time, but there must be folks out
> there who can supply answers.
>
> Please could someone suggest how to reach and dismiss the banner that comes
> up on websites, advising me that the site uses cookies.
>
> There is an x at the end of the banner, but I have tried everything I know,
> firstly to navigate to the banner and then to reach the x to dismiss it with
> NVDA and cannot get anywhere near it. I am on Windows 10 and the latest
> official release of NVDA.
>
> Is there perhaps a Windows command which helps? Brian Crabtree
>
>
>




Re: How to reach cookie warning banners in Windows 10

 

Hello,

If I'm understanding correctly, this message is by the web page. It is part of the web page itself and can be found, read and interact with within the virtual buffer. Where in the virtual buffer it will be, depends on the web page in question. Usually it is either on the top or on the bottom of the page. There the user can find a control (button, link, clickable item, or something similar), witch will allow the user to dismiss the message. But it is not necessary to dismiss it - it can safely be ignored - it is just an informative message - nothing else. This message will most certainly appear in a web page if the "Do not track" feature of the browser in use is enabled. At least those are my observations.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


На 29.7.2016 г. в 18:35, Gene написа:

But the question is why is this being seen?  Also, it isn't clear whether this is a part of a web page or something displayed by the browser. F6 will only be useful if the item is displayed as certain kinds of structures by the browser and not by the web page itself.  We don't know.  We need more information.  If possible, a link to one of the pages where this occurs should be given.  List members need to see if they see the item when going to the page.  This may be something that a browser settings change will correct.  Or it may not.  Whatever it is, we need more information. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fwd: How to reach cookie warning banners in Windows 10

Hi Brian:
Try pressing f6 once or twice, I think that is the command to switch
from one pane to another.
Kevin Huber


On 7/28/16, Brian Crabtree <pandbcrabtree@...> wrote:
> Excuse me for posting this question again. Perhaps because of heavy focus on
> other topics, it got no replies the first time, but there must be folks out
> there who can supply answers.
>
> Please could someone suggest how to reach and dismiss the banner that comes
> up on websites, advising me that the site uses cookies.
>
> There is an x at the end of the banner, but I have tried everything I know,
> firstly to navigate to the banner and then to reach the x to dismiss it with
> NVDA and cannot get anywhere near it. I am on Windows 10 and the latest
> official release of NVDA.
>
> Is there perhaps a Windows command which helps? Brian Crabtree
>
>
>




Re: NVDA and Outlook message status

 

Kevin,

           Very interesting.  There's definitely something quirky about Outlook 2010 and screen readers, but I don't yet know what it is or if it can be resolved as far as the functionality under discussion.  You can be quite sure that Microsoft isn't doing any major fixes to Office 2010 at this point in time, so if there isn't a way to fix this that hasn't yet been revealed, but that exists, there probably won't be either.

--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: NVDA and Outlook message status

 

Pranav,

           I am using Outlook 2010 with Conversations view, sorted by date, descending.  I think I may have removed a default column when playing around and I don't recall whether I put it back or not, but I do know that whether or not I did the behaviors I've described are consistent between NVDA and Window-Eyes, both their latest versions.

           The columns I have on display are one that switches you out of Conversations view, but not back in, and that has no hover text.  The rest are labeled with hover text and follow from left to right after that switch column in the following order:  Importance, Icon, Attachment, From, Subject, Received, Size, Flag.

--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: How to reach cookie warning banners in Windows 10

Gene
 

But the question is why is this being seen?  Also, it isn't clear whether this is a part of a web page or something displayed by the browser. F6 will only be useful if the item is displayed as certain kinds of structures by the browser and not by the web page itself.  We don't know.  We need more information.  If possible, a link to one of the pages where this occurs should be given.  List members need to see if they see the item when going to the page.  This may be something that a browser settings change will correct.  Or it may not.  Whatever it is, we need more information. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fwd: How to reach cookie warning banners in Windows 10

Hi Brian:
Try pressing f6 once or twice, I think that is the command to switch
from one pane to another.
Kevin Huber


On 7/28/16, Brian Crabtree <pandbcrabtree@...> wrote:
> Excuse me for posting this question again. Perhaps because of heavy focus on
> other topics, it got no replies the first time, but there must be folks out
> there who can supply answers.
>
> Please could someone suggest how to reach and dismiss the banner that comes
> up on websites, advising me that the site uses cookies.
>
> There is an x at the end of the banner, but I have tried everything I know,
> firstly to navigate to the banner and then to reach the x to dismiss it with
> NVDA and cannot get anywhere near it. I am on Windows 10 and the latest
> official release of NVDA.
>
> Is there perhaps a Windows command which helps? Brian Crabtree
>
>
>



Reading boxes in Microsoft Word

Kevin Huber
 

Hi:

I have a Microsoft Word document with graphics contained in it. These
graphics contain text. How can I read the text within these graphics
using NVDA.
Kevin Huber


Re: NVDA AND GOOGLE CLASSROOM

 

Also, as an FYI, virtually all of the various Google sites/web apps can be reached using the general form  {appname}.google.com if you're logged in under the account that has access to that given app.  For example:

mail.google.com

docs.google.com or drive.google.com

calendar.google.com

classroom.google.com  (which I can get to the main window, but no further, because I don't have an account for this service)

I use this technique to bring up these different Google services/apps as frequently, if not more frequently, than ever using the app launch key on any of the Google app screens.

--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: How to reach cookie warning banners in Windows 10

Kevin Huber
 

Hi Brian:
Try pressing f6 once or twice, I think that is the command to switch
from one pane to another.
Kevin Huber

On 7/28/16, Brian Crabtree <pandbcrabtree@icloud.com> wrote:
Excuse me for posting this question again. Perhaps because of heavy focus on
other topics, it got no replies the first time, but there must be folks out
there who can supply answers.

Please could someone suggest how to reach and dismiss the banner that comes
up on websites, advising me that the site uses cookies.

There is an x at the end of the banner, but I have tried everything I know,
firstly to navigate to the banner and then to reach the x to dismiss it with
NVDA and cannot get anywhere near it. I am on Windows 10 and the latest
official release of NVDA.

Is there perhaps a Windows command which helps? Brian Crabtree



Re: NVDA AND GOOGLE CLASSROOM

Kevin Huber
 

Hi:
For the most part, I have found it to be accessible.
You need to be aware that in order to get a list of the Google Apps,
you have to move the mose to Google Apps ande then the list of
available apps will appear. If that doesn't work, then Press Enter on
Google Apps, then close the tab wchich just opened and the list will
appear. I would not have known this if a sighted friend had not
helped me to figure it out.
Kevin huber

On 7/28/16, Christo Vorster <christo.vorster@pioneerschool.org.za> wrote:
Hi



Someone asked me whether NVDA is compatable with Google Classroom.



Can anyone help us with advice?



Regards



Christo ("Worcester South Africa)


Re: NVDA and Outlook message status

Kevin Huber
 

Hi Brian:

I am using Outlook 2016 and Window-eyes reads when messages are
forwarded, replyed to or unread, whereas, NVDA does not read that
information.
Kevin Huber

On 7/28/16, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
FYI, I also just tried Window-Eyes and it's not behaving any differently
than NVDA in what it reads when going through your inbox under Outlook
2010.

--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never
enough to keep up.
~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in
the Universe"


Re: Battle With Win10

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

Basically yes.
Beware though as some items, particularly on laptops have strange drivers only possibly available from the manufacturers. If its 10 keep it ten on a new machine. Turn off edge and use ie or firefox seems to be the way to go.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pascal Lambert" <casablanca_31@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Battle With Win10


How about machines that came with Win10 installed? Do you have to do a fresh install of Win7 if you decide to get rid of win10? The big issue for me is MS Edge! Hopefully the August update will solve the related issues.

Thanks

Blessings

Pascal



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 1:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Battle With Win10



If you take a full backup, including a system image (which is the critical thing in this case), you can also choose to roll-back to Windows 7 or Windows 8/8.1 after the 30-day built-in rollback expires or if it fails (and it sometimes has).

For anyone who is thinking they really want to go to Windows 10 my advice would be to make a system image backup of your current system to your external backup drive and do your upgrade today or tomorrow. Once a given piece of hardware is licensed to run Windows 10 you can roll back to your earlier version if that's what you want for the time being and then install Windows 10 again, at no cost, at your desired time. I intend to do this with my remaining two Windows 7 machines.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"


Re: Battle With Win10

 

Hmmm its some note taking app it allows you to draw on it but I don't use it.
Its like a scratch pad I think.

On 29/07/2016 2:07 p.m., Pauline Smith wrote:
What exactly is OneNote? What does it do?


Pauline



On 7/28/2016 7:38 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well while not exactly windows10 related, it seems that journal is
being retired because its not secure.
Here's the thing, onenote seems to currently be free and I wander
if the blind can use it.
I don't want or need it exactly but I would be interested if it was
actually usable.



On 29/07/2016 10:58 a.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Iupgraded to windows 10 almost a year ago and have found that you can do
pretty much the same things as in windows 7.



On 7/28/2016 2:15 PM, Alexander Masic wrote:
I really hate that rumers wich flouting around in the blind community.
for you who is so critical to window 10, explay for me what you can do
in e.g windows 7, but not in windows 10! Igues nothing. everything
works well in window 10 as in windows 7, but some tasks you nead to do
in anothe way. So upgrade upgrade upgrade upgrade upgrade upgrade!!!!!


I have run windows 10 for almost 1 year now and i cant se anything i
really missing.

Yes! off course there is things who nead to be improved, e.g edge and
things like that. However you are able to do easy same things in
windows 10 as in windows 7.

So i,m still waiting from you an explanation from you who is so
critical, an really made propaganda to other blind to not upgrade a
reason why?



Den 2016-07-28 kl. 22:18, skrev Shaun Everiss:
Good luck is all I will say.
The servers will be overloaded with lastcomers and that means a
long wait for all you laters.



On 29/07/2016 4:18 a.m., Scott VanDeWalle wrote:
Hi, i'm going to go out on a limb here and say that if you are at
all
considering upgrading to win 10 you should do it today.
That way for one thing you will not have to worry about having to
even
pay attention to that thing about win 10 being free for users of
assistive technology. I don't know, but i bet the process is a
pain to
do and myself, i just would not want to bother with it.
Not telling yall what to do but if it was me and i did not yet have a
copy of windows 10, i'd be really worried right now. smile.
Have a nice day and good luck with whatever you decide to do.

Scott
Original message:
I would hate to be the person that decides to update after tomorrow.
On 7/28/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote:
Not for us blind folk I understand somehow we have at least
another
month
to do it according to news I've read but in fact I'd like to know
how it
knows you are blind.
Brian
bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Battle With Win10

well it won't matter anyway.
win10 upgrade ends tomorrow so it won't matter much.


On 28/07/2016 6:54 p.m., Felix G. wrote:
Hi,
at http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/ there is a tool
which can
prevent
Win 10 related activity on Win 7 machines, according to the
description.
It
looks very well put together and worked for me.
Had a forced install happen on my machine at home. It rebooted,
then
after
a few hours it came back as Win 10. I just kept it but I sure
didn't
like
the experience of having it forced upon me. Paradoxically I
wanted it
anyway but still this does make a philosophical difference.
Greetings,
Felix Grützmacher
David Russell <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com> schrieb am Do., 28.
Juli
2016
um 04:26 Uhr:
Hello group,
Late this afternoon I began having troubles in earnest with
windows 10
forcing an install. NVDA did not read this was occurring, it
was all
behind the scenes according to my wife who is sighted.
I did go to control panel, windows update, change settings and
chose
the install automatic updates. This was suggested by an
article at
make use of .com. It did not work.
My wife was able to again stop the install, but the problem is
likely
to occur when my computer goes into low power mode, after not
being
used for a few minutes.
This is quite disconcerting and evidently a widespread problem,
not
just mine or a few others. Any thoughts?
--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com
Character consists of what you do on the third and fourth tries.
James A. Michener














--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


.











Re: just noticed something strange in thunderbird

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I'm not worried about it. I was just wondering. Now it's working correctly.




On 7/28/2016 7:19 PM, Governor staten wrote:

I wouldn't worry about it. You can type messages properly? If so, it's not a big deal.






On 7/28/2016 9:44 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


I'm noticing that when I start a new message, I'm taken to focus mode now. Is this a new thing now? Just wondering.


Rosemarie









Re: just noticed something strange in thunderbird

Tyler Spivey
 

Please tell me what you get when you press shift tab from the message
list. If you get an edit box, shift tab again.
Also, go to the view menu, then layout. Make sure folder pane is checked.

On 7/28/2016 7:56 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
I find a lot of strange things in Thunderbird. The suggestions
for geting to the tree view that shows my accounts don't work.
Apparently Braille does not work well in Thunderbird. I seem to be the
only one using Braille. That is because I am deafblind.

John

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 06:44:44PM -0700, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


I'm noticing that when I start a new message, I'm taken to focus mode now.
Is this a new thing now? Just wondering.


Rosemarie





Re: just noticed something strange in thunderbird

John J. Boyer
 

I find a lot of strange things in Thunderbird. The suggestions
for geting to the tree view that shows my accounts don't work.
Apparently Braille does not work well in Thunderbird. I seem to be the
only one using Braille. That is because I am deafblind.

John

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 06:44:44PM -0700, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


I'm noticing that when I start a new message, I'm taken to focus mode now.
Is this a new thing now? Just wondering.


Rosemarie




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AbilitiesSoft, Inc.
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Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA
Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with
disabilities which are available at no cost.


Re: just noticed something strange in thunderbird

 

I wouldn't worry about it. You can type messages properly? If so, it's not a big deal.






On 7/28/2016 9:44 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


I'm noticing that when I start a new message, I'm taken to focus mode now. Is this a new thing now? Just wondering.


Rosemarie








Re: Battle With Win10

Pauline Smith
 

What exactly is OneNote? What does it do?


Pauline

On 7/28/2016 7:38 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well while not exactly windows10 related, it seems that journal is being retired because its not secure.
Here's the thing, onenote seems to currently be free and I wander if the blind can use it.
I don't want or need it exactly but I would be interested if it was actually usable.



On 29/07/2016 10:58 a.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Iupgraded to windows 10 almost a year ago and have found that you can do
pretty much the same things as in windows 7.



On 7/28/2016 2:15 PM, Alexander Masic wrote:
I really hate that rumers wich flouting around in the blind community.
for you who is so critical to window 10, explay for me what you can do
in e.g windows 7, but not in windows 10! Igues nothing. everything
works well in window 10 as in windows 7, but some tasks you nead to do
in anothe way. So upgrade upgrade upgrade upgrade upgrade upgrade!!!!!


I have run windows 10 for almost 1 year now and i cant se anything i
really missing.

Yes! off course there is things who nead to be improved, e.g edge and
things like that. However you are able to do easy same things in
windows 10 as in windows 7.

So i,m still waiting from you an explanation from you who is so
critical, an really made propaganda to other blind to not upgrade a
reason why?



Den 2016-07-28 kl. 22:18, skrev Shaun Everiss:
Good luck is all I will say.
The servers will be overloaded with lastcomers and that means a
long wait for all you laters.



On 29/07/2016 4:18 a.m., Scott VanDeWalle wrote:
Hi, i'm going to go out on a limb here and say that if you are at all
considering upgrading to win 10 you should do it today.
That way for one thing you will not have to worry about having to even
pay attention to that thing about win 10 being free for users of
assistive technology. I don't know, but i bet the process is a pain to
do and myself, i just would not want to bother with it.
Not telling yall what to do but if it was me and i did not yet have a
copy of windows 10, i'd be really worried right now. smile.
Have a nice day and good luck with whatever you decide to do.

Scott
Original message:
I would hate to be the person that decides to update after tomorrow.
On 7/28/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote:
Not for us blind folk I understand somehow we have at least another
month
to do it according to news I've read but in fact I'd like to know
how it
knows you are blind.
Brian
bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Battle With Win10

well it won't matter anyway.
win10 upgrade ends tomorrow so it won't matter much.


On 28/07/2016 6:54 p.m., Felix G. wrote:
Hi,
at http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/ there is a tool which can
prevent
Win 10 related activity on Win 7 machines, according to the
description.
It
looks very well put together and worked for me.
Had a forced install happen on my machine at home. It rebooted,
then
after
a few hours it came back as Win 10. I just kept it but I sure
didn't
like
the experience of having it forced upon me. Paradoxically I
wanted it
anyway but still this does make a philosophical difference.
Greetings,
Felix Grützmacher
David Russell <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com> schrieb am Do., 28.
Juli
2016
um 04:26 Uhr:
Hello group,
Late this afternoon I began having troubles in earnest with
windows 10
forcing an install. NVDA did not read this was occurring, it
was all
behind the scenes according to my wife who is sighted.
I did go to control panel, windows update, change settings and
chose
the install automatic updates. This was suggested by an article at
make use of .com. It did not work.
My wife was able to again stop the install, but the problem is
likely
to occur when my computer goes into low power mode, after not
being
used for a few minutes.
This is quite disconcerting and evidently a widespread problem,
not
just mine or a few others. Any thoughts?
--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com
Character consists of what you do on the third and fourth tries.
James A. Michener














--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


.








just noticed something strange in thunderbird

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, everyone,


I'm noticing that when I start a new message, I'm taken to focus mode now. Is this a new thing now? Just wondering.


Rosemarie