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Re: Announcing Capital Letters

Gene
 

There isn't a separate setting for typing.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2019 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Announcing Capital Letters

Thanks All, interestingly the beep and pitch change work when I review a typed word with the left and right arrows but not when I am typing so unless there is a separate setting for typing feedback maybe it is to do with my synth.
Kind Regards
Colin
 unless

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: 26 December 2019 23:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Announcing Capital Letters

Hi
Maybe I've been doing it wrong all these years then.  I use 50% to make it obvious because I find 30% can be indistinct in some cases.
At least when Colin experiences the output for whatever synthesizer he uses, I'm sure he is capable of adjusting the setting to his personal preference.

Cheers
Chris

On 26/12/2019, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> That is not correct.  Fifty percent is extrremely too high pitched for
> some synthesizers.  It may be alright for others.  the default is 30
> percent and I wouldn't assume that that is remotely correct for a lot of synthesizers.
> also, these settings are all on by default and they don't change from
> one synthesizer to another.  It is very unlikely that a new user would turn them
> off.   Therefore, the problem is very likely related to the synthesizer or
> some problem with the NVDA installation.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Chris Mullins
> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 3:04 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Announcing Capital Letters
>
>
> Hi
> Use NVDA+Control+k to open the Keyboard settings dialog and ensure the
> check box entitled "Beep if typing lowercase when caps lock is on" is
> checked.  This will cause a beep to sound if you type a shifted
> letter, giving you a big clue that caps lock is on."
> Secondly, for each synthesizer you use, press NVDA+Control+v to open
> the Voice Settings dialog and ensure the edit box entitled "Capital
> pitch change perCentage" is set to at least 50%  This will make it
> obvious that you are typing a capital letter or reviewing one when
> reading letter by letter.  Note: Ensure you  have "Speak typed
> characters" active (NVDA+NumRow 2) to get this feedback when typing.
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> On 26/12/2019, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>> I suspect you are using the illegal add-on which isn’t supported on
>> the list.  the list can’t, for legal reasons, support oor assist in
>> using such software.  If you want Eloquence that functions properlhy,
>> you can ppurchase either an add-on for it or an MSAPI version of
>> Eloquence.  I and other list members would be happy to provide more
>> information.  You can try demos of both, if you wish.
>>
>> Meantime, trhy switching to another synthesizer to see if capital
>> notification works properly.
>>
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Colin Phelan
>> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 12:58 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Announcing Capital Letters
>>
>> You might be onto something there I am using eloquence which did not
>> come as part of the initial NVDA download thoughts welcome and thanks
>> Colin
>>
>>
>>
>> On 26 Dec 2019, at 6:44 pm, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>>   You should hear a beep if the caps lock is on and you use the shift
>> key and type a letter.  NVDA by default raises the pitch of capital letters.
>> If
>> you don’t hear that, what synthesizer are you using.  The first thing
>> we need to determine is whether the problem is a limitation of the
>> synthesizer or some problem perhaps with the NVDA installation.
>>
>>   Gene
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: Colin Phelan
>>   Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 12:33 PM
>>   To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>   Subject: [nvda] Announcing Capital Letters
>>
>>   I am new to NVDA and recognise this is a basic question, however, I
>> cannot seem to get NVDA to give me feedback with regard to if I am
>> typing capital letters which is a concern as caps lock may be on by
>> accident.
>>
>>   Please confirm settings to be ticked and how to ensure settings are
>> saved in case this is the issue.
>>
>>   Thanks
>>
>>   Colin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Announcing Capital Letters

Colin Phelan <colinphelan1@...>
 

Thanks Chris, yes if character echo is on then it works but I can't write documents listening to every character typed.
Is this the only way I get feedback to recognise if caps log maybe on accidently?
Thanks for your assistance.
Kind Regards
Colin

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: 28 December 2019 18:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Announcing Capital Letters

Hi Colin
It should work if you have character echo on (NVDA+NumRow 2) when typing, if you just use word echo (NVDA+NumRow 3), you won't hear the pitch change.

Cheers
Chris

On 28/12/2019, Colin Phelan <colinphelan1@...> wrote:
Thanks All, interestingly the beep and pitch change work when I review
a typed word with the left and right arrows but not when I am typing
so unless there is a separate setting for typing feedback maybe it is
to do with my synth.
Kind Regards
Colin
unless

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Chris Mullins
Sent: 26 December 2019 23:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Announcing Capital Letters

Hi
Maybe I've been doing it wrong all these years then. I use 50% to
make it obvious because I find 30% can be indistinct in some cases.
At least when Colin experiences the output for whatever synthesizer he
uses, I'm sure he is capable of adjusting the setting to his personal preference.

Cheers
Chris

On 26/12/2019, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
That is not correct. Fifty percent is extrremely too high pitched
for some synthesizers. It may be alright for others. the default is
30 percent and I wouldn't assume that that is remotely correct for a
lot of synthesizers.
also, these settings are all on by default and they don't change from
one synthesizer to another. It is very unlikely that a new user
would turn them
off. Therefore, the problem is very likely related to the synthesizer
or
some problem with the NVDA installation.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 3:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Announcing Capital Letters


Hi
Use NVDA+Control+k to open the Keyboard settings dialog and ensure
the check box entitled "Beep if typing lowercase when caps lock is
on" is checked. This will cause a beep to sound if you type a
shifted letter, giving you a big clue that caps lock is on."
Secondly, for each synthesizer you use, press NVDA+Control+v to open
the Voice Settings dialog and ensure the edit box entitled "Capital
pitch change perCentage" is set to at least 50% This will make it
obvious that you are typing a capital letter or reviewing one when
reading letter by letter. Note: Ensure you have "Speak typed
characters" active (NVDA+NumRow 2) to get this feedback when typing.

Cheers
Chris

On 26/12/2019, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I suspect you are using the illegal add-on which isn’t supported on
the list. the list can’t, for legal reasons, support oor assist in
using such software. If you want Eloquence that functions
properlhy, you can ppurchase either an add-on for it or an MSAPI
version of Eloquence. I and other list members would be happy to
provide more information. You can try demos of both, if you wish.

Meantime, trhy switching to another synthesizer to see if capital
notification works properly.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Colin Phelan
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 12:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Announcing Capital Letters

You might be onto something there I am using eloquence which did not
come as part of the initial NVDA download thoughts welcome and
thanks Colin



On 26 Dec 2019, at 6:44 pm, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:


You should hear a beep if the caps lock is on and you use the
shift key and type a letter. NVDA by default raises the pitch of
capital letters.
If
you don’t hear that, what synthesizer are you using. The first
thing we need to determine is whether the problem is a limitation of
the synthesizer or some problem perhaps with the NVDA installation.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Colin Phelan
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 12:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Announcing Capital Letters

I am new to NVDA and recognise this is a basic question, however,
I cannot seem to get NVDA to give me feedback with regard to if I am
typing capital letters which is a concern as caps lock may be on by
accident.

Please confirm settings to be ticked and how to ensure settings
are saved in case this is the issue.

Thanks

Colin



















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Re: Announcing Capital Letters

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Colin
It should work if you have character echo on (NVDA+NumRow 2) when
typing, if you just use word echo (NVDA+NumRow 3), you won't hear the
pitch change.

Cheers
Chris

On 28/12/2019, Colin Phelan <colinphelan1@...> wrote:
Thanks All, interestingly the beep and pitch change work when I review a
typed word with the left and right arrows but not when I am typing so unless
there is a separate setting for typing feedback maybe it is to do with my
synth.
Kind Regards
Colin
unless

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Mullins
Sent: 26 December 2019 23:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Announcing Capital Letters

Hi
Maybe I've been doing it wrong all these years then. I use 50% to make it
obvious because I find 30% can be indistinct in some cases.
At least when Colin experiences the output for whatever synthesizer he uses,
I'm sure he is capable of adjusting the setting to his personal preference.

Cheers
Chris

On 26/12/2019, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
That is not correct. Fifty percent is extrremely too high pitched for
some synthesizers. It may be alright for others. the default is 30
percent and I wouldn't assume that that is remotely correct for a lot of
synthesizers.
also, these settings are all on by default and they don't change from
one synthesizer to another. It is very unlikely that a new user would
turn them
off. Therefore, the problem is very likely related to the synthesizer
or
some problem with the NVDA installation.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 3:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Announcing Capital Letters


Hi
Use NVDA+Control+k to open the Keyboard settings dialog and ensure the
check box entitled "Beep if typing lowercase when caps lock is on" is
checked. This will cause a beep to sound if you type a shifted
letter, giving you a big clue that caps lock is on."
Secondly, for each synthesizer you use, press NVDA+Control+v to open
the Voice Settings dialog and ensure the edit box entitled "Capital
pitch change perCentage" is set to at least 50% This will make it
obvious that you are typing a capital letter or reviewing one when
reading letter by letter. Note: Ensure you have "Speak typed
characters" active (NVDA+NumRow 2) to get this feedback when typing.

Cheers
Chris

On 26/12/2019, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I suspect you are using the illegal add-on which isn’t supported on
the list. the list can’t, for legal reasons, support oor assist in
using such software. If you want Eloquence that functions properlhy,
you can ppurchase either an add-on for it or an MSAPI version of
Eloquence. I and other list members would be happy to provide more
information. You can try demos of both, if you wish.

Meantime, trhy switching to another synthesizer to see if capital
notification works properly.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Colin Phelan
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 12:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Announcing Capital Letters

You might be onto something there I am using eloquence which did not
come as part of the initial NVDA download thoughts welcome and thanks
Colin



On 26 Dec 2019, at 6:44 pm, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:


You should hear a beep if the caps lock is on and you use the shift
key and type a letter. NVDA by default raises the pitch of capital
letters.
If
you don’t hear that, what synthesizer are you using. The first thing
we need to determine is whether the problem is a limitation of the
synthesizer or some problem perhaps with the NVDA installation.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Colin Phelan
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 12:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Announcing Capital Letters

I am new to NVDA and recognise this is a basic question, however, I
cannot seem to get NVDA to give me feedback with regard to if I am
typing capital letters which is a concern as caps lock may be on by
accident.

Please confirm settings to be ticked and how to ensure settings are
saved in case this is the issue.

Thanks

Colin
Re: NVDA Buzzing and Speaking in a Compressed Way During Keyboard Input on a Fast Laptop

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Wow, that sounds really strange. I'm sure somebody already gave you the hint to disable the audio enhancements for your
realtek playback speaker device?

Cheers,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Samstag, 28. Dezember 2019 15:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Buzzing and Speaking in a Compressed Way During Keyboard Input on a Fast Laptop

Hi Jackie and others

I have made a new recording, and saved it as MP3 to prevent any file type problems.
This one is a demonstration of moving down through the NVDA folder in %appdata%, followed by some rapid typing in
Notepad.
http://newanswertech.com/Weird-NVDA2.mp3
Not the best quality, as it's just recorded from an iPhone microphone from a foot away, but I could plug in and record
the "right" way if someone needs a better demo.

There was a RealTek driver updated, although I thought this had already started at that point. Trying to roll it back
would roll back the entire 1909 update, which would be annoying.

If what Jackie suggests is the case, then this is unrelated to NVDA, and shouldn't be on this list. So unless someone
else has some alternative theory, I will hereby discontinue this thread, with apologies for off-topicacality.

Luke


On Fri, 27 Dec 2019, Jackie wrote:

Hey Luke? The file gives an unsupported video format error.

My first thought is that you're running RealTeck & that you need an
updated driver. You've also got some audio software on there called
Nahemic, & it wants to optimize your audio experience. Do not, under
any circumstances, allow that, as I will guarantee-told you it will be
beyond suboptimal. It's kind of a b-word to navigate, too,
unfortunately, but it is actually text-based, so object nav & the tab
key are your friends.
Re: NVDA Buzzing and Speaking in a Compressed Way During Keyboard Input on a Fast Laptop

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi.
I don't know if this will help, but you could try a system restore or go
back to a previous windows installation. Perhaps during one of the updates
some file or other got corrupted?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2019 9:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Buzzing and Speaking in a Compressed Way During
Keyboard Input on a Fast Laptop

Hi Jackie and others

I have made a new recording, and saved it as MP3 to prevent any file type
problems.
This one is a demonstration of moving down through the NVDA folder in
%appdata%, followed by some rapid typing in Notepad.
http://newanswertech.com/Weird-NVDA2.mp3
Not the best quality, as it's just recorded from an iPhone microphone from a
foot away, but I could plug in and record the "right" way if someone needs a
better demo.

There was a RealTek driver updated, although I thought this had already
started at that point. Trying to roll it back would roll back the entire
1909 update, which would be annoying.

If what Jackie suggests is the case, then this is unrelated to NVDA, and
shouldn't be on this list. So unless someone else has some alternative
theory, I will hereby discontinue this thread, with apologies for
off-topicacality.

Luke


On Fri, 27 Dec 2019, Jackie wrote:

Hey Luke? The file gives an unsupported video format error.

My first thought is that you're running RealTeck & that you need an
updated driver. You've also got some audio software on there called
Nahemic, & it wants to optimize your audio experience. Do not, under
any circumstances, allow that, as I will guarantee-told you it will be
beyond suboptimal. It's kind of a b-word to navigate, too,
unfortunately, but it is actually text-based, so object nav & the tab
key are your friends.
Re: Announcing Capital Letters

Colin Phelan <colinphelan1@...>
 

Thanks All, interestingly the beep and pitch change work when I review a typed word with the left and right arrows but not when I am typing so unless there is a separate setting for typing feedback maybe it is to do with my synth.
Kind Regards
Colin
unless

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: 26 December 2019 23:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Announcing Capital Letters

Hi
Maybe I've been doing it wrong all these years then. I use 50% to make it obvious because I find 30% can be indistinct in some cases.
At least when Colin experiences the output for whatever synthesizer he uses, I'm sure he is capable of adjusting the setting to his personal preference.

Cheers
Chris

On 26/12/2019, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
That is not correct. Fifty percent is extrremely too high pitched for
some synthesizers. It may be alright for others. the default is 30
percent and I wouldn't assume that that is remotely correct for a lot of synthesizers.
also, these settings are all on by default and they don't change from
one synthesizer to another. It is very unlikely that a new user would turn them
off. Therefore, the problem is very likely related to the synthesizer or
some problem with the NVDA installation.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 3:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Announcing Capital Letters


Hi
Use NVDA+Control+k to open the Keyboard settings dialog and ensure the
check box entitled "Beep if typing lowercase when caps lock is on" is
checked. This will cause a beep to sound if you type a shifted
letter, giving you a big clue that caps lock is on."
Secondly, for each synthesizer you use, press NVDA+Control+v to open
the Voice Settings dialog and ensure the edit box entitled "Capital
pitch change perCentage" is set to at least 50% This will make it
obvious that you are typing a capital letter or reviewing one when
reading letter by letter. Note: Ensure you have "Speak typed
characters" active (NVDA+NumRow 2) to get this feedback when typing.

Cheers
Chris

On 26/12/2019, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I suspect you are using the illegal add-on which isn’t supported on
the list. the list can’t, for legal reasons, support oor assist in
using such software. If you want Eloquence that functions properlhy,
you can ppurchase either an add-on for it or an MSAPI version of
Eloquence. I and other list members would be happy to provide more
information. You can try demos of both, if you wish.

Meantime, trhy switching to another synthesizer to see if capital
notification works properly.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Colin Phelan
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 12:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Announcing Capital Letters

You might be onto something there I am using eloquence which did not
come as part of the initial NVDA download thoughts welcome and thanks
Colin



On 26 Dec 2019, at 6:44 pm, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:


You should hear a beep if the caps lock is on and you use the shift
key and type a letter. NVDA by default raises the pitch of capital letters.
If
you don’t hear that, what synthesizer are you using. The first thing
we need to determine is whether the problem is a limitation of the
synthesizer or some problem perhaps with the NVDA installation.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Colin Phelan
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 12:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Announcing Capital Letters

I am new to NVDA and recognise this is a basic question, however, I
cannot seem to get NVDA to give me feedback with regard to if I am
typing capital letters which is a concern as caps lock may be on by
accident.

Please confirm settings to be ticked and how to ensure settings are
saved in case this is the issue.

Thanks

Colin
Re: NVDA Buzzing and Speaking in a Compressed Way During Keyboard Input on a Fast Laptop

Luke Davis
 

Hi Jackie and others

I have made a new recording, and saved it as MP3 to prevent any file type problems.
This one is a demonstration of moving down through the NVDA folder in %appdata%, followed by some rapid typing in Notepad.
http://newanswertech.com/Weird-NVDA2.mp3
Not the best quality, as it's just recorded from an iPhone microphone from a foot away, but I could plug in and record the "right" way if someone needs a better demo.

There was a RealTek driver updated, although I thought this had already started at that point. Trying to roll it back would roll back the entire 1909 update, which would be annoying.

If what Jackie suggests is the case, then this is unrelated to NVDA, and shouldn't be on this list. So unless someone else has some alternative theory, I will hereby discontinue this thread, with apologies for off-topicacality.

Luke

On Fri, 27 Dec 2019, Jackie wrote:

Hey Luke? The file gives an unsupported video format error.

My first thought is that you're running RealTeck & that you need an
updated driver. You've also got some audio software on there called
Nahemic, & it wants to optimize your audio experience. Do not, under
any circumstances, allow that, as I will guarantee-told you it will be
beyond suboptimal. It's kind of a b-word to navigate, too,
unfortunately, but it is actually text-based, so object nav & the tab
key are your friends.
Re: confused

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

I have run it three times.

It gave me the warning

I said yes

And it immediately gave me an ok button. But my problem never changed.

 

******

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!                                                                       

 

From: Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2019 3:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] confused

 

You were asked to run the com registration tool and You did not do this.

 

On 27/12/2019 07:20, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:

> The problem still exists. I noticed that when I press windows +t to

> bring up the task bar it says unknown there too.

>

> I have done the following:

>

> Run restore

>

> Uninstalled NVDA

>

> Deleted the NVDA folder in app-data\roaming

>

> Downgraded to 2019.2

>

> There is no change.

>

> Is there something else I should have deleted after uninstalling to make

> sure NVDA was completely removed?

>

> ******

>

> character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!

>

> *From: *Joseph Lee <mailto:joseph.lee22590@...>

> *Sent: *Thursday, December 26, 2019 8:48 PM

> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] more confusion

>

> Hi,

>

> Try the following in the order shown:

>

>  1. Restart NVDA while focused on these apps.

>  2. Restart the computer.

>  3. Run “COM registration fixing tool” – NVDA menu/Tools/Run COM

>     registration fixing tool and follow the prompts.

>

> Cheers,

>

> Joseph

>

> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Robert

> Doc Wright godfearer

> *Sent:* Thursday, December 26, 2019 7:14 PM

> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

> *Subject:* [nvda] more confusion

>

> Now when I go to chrome it only says unknown. In IE it only reads the

> title bar. In Edge I get a little more but it drags a lot before saying

> anything.

>

> ******

>

> character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!

>

>

 

 

 
Re: file explorer

Jimmy Vonderlinden
 

I had this same problem , but within the network connections window. I got around it by bringing focus to the desktop, than alt tabbing back to the window, and than I was able to move through the list of wi-fi networks. Hope this helps someone
Re: NVDA Buzzing and Speaking in a Compressed Way During Keyboard Input on a Fast Laptop

Jackie
 

Hey Luke? The file gives an unsupported video format error.

My first thought is that you're running RealTeck & that you need an
updated driver. You've also got some audio software on there called
Nahemic, & it wants to optimize your audio experience. Do not, under
any circumstances, allow that, as I will guarantee-told you it will be
beyond suboptimal. It's kind of a b-word to navigate, too,
unfortunately, but it is actually text-based, so object nav & the tab
key are your friends.

I realize the whole situation is unacceptable, unfortunately, I'm kind
of committed till after New Year's day, so I'm not in a position to
give much more help than this at present. Hopefully, though, it's
enough to give you a nudge in the proper direction. If not, we can
hopefully get together on the 2nd & troubleshoot this.

On 12/27/19, Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:
Hello

Today I acquired an MSI laptop. Intel I7 Hexacore 2.6 GHZ (4.5 burst), 32 GB

RAM, 64 bit.

I ran 2019.2.1 as a portable without problem, and installed 2019.3 beta.
Then I
updated from Windows 110 Home 1709 to 1809, and noticed the following weird

behavior. I subsequently updated to 1909, and nothing has changed.
I have never seen this before.

Using either ESpeak or OneCore, whenever I type quickly or move the mouse, I

find that speech either hangs up in bad robotic sounding buzzes, or gets
really
"small", like a munchkin version of the synth in use.

It is a bit hard to describe. So I made a small recording:
http://newanswertech.com/Weird-NVDA1.m4a

It happens always when I am typing quickly, or just moving quickly through a

file list with the arrow keys. As you can hear from the file, it even
happens
periodically when I am typing slowly.

This is really unacceptable.

I purged 2019.3 and installed 2019.2.1, but the same behavior continues.

If this were the old days, I would think there was some kind of IRQ conflict

between the keyboard and the audio subsystem.
It's been so long since I have had to solve that kind of problem though,
that
I'm not immediately sure how to diagnose it.

Any thoughts would be welcome.

Luke



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NVDA Buzzing and Speaking in a Compressed Way During Keyboard Input on a Fast Laptop

Luke Davis
 

Hello

Today I acquired an MSI laptop. Intel I7 Hexacore 2.6 GHZ (4.5 burst), 32 GB RAM, 64 bit.

I ran 2019.2.1 as a portable without problem, and installed 2019.3 beta. Then I updated from Windows 110 Home 1709 to 1809, and noticed the following weird behavior. I subsequently updated to 1909, and nothing has changed.
I have never seen this before.

Using either ESpeak or OneCore, whenever I type quickly or move the mouse, I find that speech either hangs up in bad robotic sounding buzzes, or gets really "small", like a munchkin version of the synth in use.

It is a bit hard to describe. So I made a small recording:
http://newanswertech.com/Weird-NVDA1.m4a

It happens always when I am typing quickly, or just moving quickly through a file list with the arrow keys. As you can hear from the file, it even happens periodically when I am typing slowly.

This is really unacceptable.

I purged 2019.3 and installed 2019.2.1, but the same behavior continues.

If this were the old days, I would think there was some kind of IRQ conflict between the keyboard and the audio subsystem.
It's been so long since I have had to solve that kind of problem though, that I'm not immediately sure how to diagnose it.

Any thoughts would be welcome.

Luke
Re: confused

Kevin Cussick
 

You were asked to run the com registration tool and You did not do this.

On 27/12/2019 07:20, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
The problem still exists. I noticed that when I press windows +t to bring up the task bar it says unknown there too.
I have done the following:
Run restore
Uninstalled NVDA
Deleted the NVDA folder in app-data\roaming
Downgraded to 2019.2
There is no change.
Is there something else I should have deleted after uninstalling to make sure NVDA was completely removed?
******
character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!
*From: *Joseph Lee <mailto:joseph.lee22590@...>
*Sent: *Thursday, December 26, 2019 8:48 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] more confusion
Hi,
Try the following in the order shown:
1. Restart NVDA while focused on these apps.
2. Restart the computer.
3. Run “COM registration fixing tool” – NVDA menu/Tools/Run COM
registration fixing tool and follow the prompts.
Cheers,
Joseph
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Robert Doc Wright godfearer
*Sent:* Thursday, December 26, 2019 7:14 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* [nvda] more confusion
Now when I go to chrome it only says unknown. In IE it only reads the title bar. In Edge I get a little more but it drags a lot before saying anything.
******
character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!
Re: confused

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


I did have another problem that was simular but involved fire fox and thunder bird etc and was able to fix it.


Not sure but if you look at the following link at https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topic/nvda_web_browser_problem/4415326?p=,,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,2,140,4415326



I give steps on how to fix it but because no one else really had the same problem I did not put it up on my website under trouble shooting.


Look for hurrikenny and opo or gene nz it is near the top with steps.


You may have to refresh me on what is happening.


Gene nz


On 28/12/2019 7:23 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
As to Tyler's earlier additional suggestion, the NVDA issue on GitHub that he originated on MathPlayer dates from approximately one year ago is:  COM Registration Fixing tool doesn't work

I remain unclear as to exactly what did end up working after having read through the topic.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 
Re: confused

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


I am pretty sure when you uninstalled the maths player it uninstalled other stuff that if i remember right gave those similar results. Not sure if it is that ticket or not.


Was that around the time of the com fixing tool or earlier?


It was meant to have been fixed with the uninstall process.


I think at that time when you re installed maths player every thing went back to normal but sure was able to uninstall it at a later date with no problems?


Gene nz


On 28/12/2019 7:23 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
As to Tyler's earlier additional suggestion, the NVDA issue on GitHub that he originated on MathPlayer dates from approximately one year ago is:  COM Registration Fixing tool doesn't work

I remain unclear as to exactly what did end up working after having read through the topic.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 
Re: winamp is invisible with extention

Gene
 

Did the older one work properly?  Is it still available? If you have to use it with an older version of NVDA, do you want or need the new version for any reason?  Just because there is an update to something doesn't necessarily mean you should use it and people would save themselves trouble if they didn't reflexively update everything just because an update is available.  If the new update does nothing you want, you may be better off leaving things as they are.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2019 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp is invisible with extention

Yeah, you need to alt tab a couple times and then it works doesn't seem to completely load the extention on launch of the player almost like its not in focus if an extention can be out of focus.



On 28/12/2019 4:56 am, ken lawrence via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi list I have continued to fiddle with the NVDA reenabling the winamp extention then removing it and reinstalling it but still it is as if NVDA can’t see.  The functionality is still there but arrowing up or down just see “list item. Insirt t does’t talk it can’t read anything on my computer with1.2 installed.  And I can’t mute or change volume or view how must time is left in a song without the winamp extention.  I can’t believe it’s just my computer.  Should I wait and update windows 10 to the 1909 version and then try it?  As mentioned it ca’t even tell me I’m sitting on winamp with the extention. If I prep a show in advance I like to use winamp because I have better control of hearing what sounds right with what.  I can’t believe it’s just me what is wrong with 1.2 winamp extention? 

 

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Re: winamp is invisible with extention

Shaun Everiss
 

Yeah, you need to alt tab a couple times and then it works doesn't seem to completely load the extention on launch of the player almost like its not in focus if an extention can be out of focus.



On 28/12/2019 4:56 am, ken lawrence via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi list I have continued to fiddle with the NVDA reenabling the winamp extention then removing it and reinstalling it but still it is as if NVDA can’t see.  The functionality is still there but arrowing up or down just see “list item. Insirt t does’t talk it can’t read anything on my computer with1.2 installed.  And I can’t mute or change volume or view how must time is left in a song without the winamp extention.  I can’t believe it’s just my computer.  Should I wait and update windows 10 to the 1909 version and then try it?  As mentioned it ca’t even tell me I’m sitting on winamp with the extention. If I prep a show in advance I like to use winamp because I have better control of hearing what sounds right with what.  I can’t believe it’s just me what is wrong with 1.2 winamp extention? 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 
Re: confused

Tyler Spivey
 

Sorry, it wasn't as obvious as I thought; that issue wasn't very clear.

I think this should be fixed in the tool, though; trying to walk someone through this can be difficult.

On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 10:41:31AM -0800, Brian Vogel wrote:
Tyler,

This is what's in the issue, and I quote:

" On my win10 machine, this python console command fixes it if NVDA is run as administrator, but I forgot exactly what it does. It seems to return an error, but I'm not sure how to turn the int back into a HRESULT. However, it doesn't work on the win7 VM:
import comtypes,ctypes;p=comtypes.typeinfo.LoadTypeLibEx(r"c:\windows\syswow64\oleacc.dll");ctypes.windll.oleaut32.RegisterTypeLib(p, ur"c:\windows\syswow64\oleacc.dll", None) "

I'm sorry, but even as a computer geek with decades of experience it was not entirely clear to me under what conditions this worked, or didn't.  And I doubt that most readers here, including myself, have Python console expertise or even a moment's experience, which matters.
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)
Re: confused

Shaun Everiss
 


To be honest, I have had issues with file explorer off and on with the windows 19xxx releases.

In 1909 its a hell of a lot better but its still about.

Its also happened on multiple computers not just yours.

I agree with the poster, a full reformat will probably make it go away though to be honest, I have been looking for a explorer replacement as I can't rely on it.

It choaks with folders with single files, folders more than 2-5 levels deep, or if you have 1 or 2 folders open and you transfer to a third or another folder on another drive.

It seems to half crash.

The only thing that saves me from doing anything really drastic is that bar times where I transfer stuff about which I do off and on the shell is not used much.

99.9% of the time, my daily work involves using programs on the system or directly doing stuff I know the paths for.

I don't need windows shell functions for most of my daily routeens.

When I am doing admin stuff I usually don't need the shell at all and if I do its 1 folder and 1 window only either a usb or a download but to be honest most of that I can do with stuff on the system which do not need me to go to folders.


On 27/12/2019 11:14 pm, David Griffith wrote:

I would be tempted to do a Windows Re-install with all these difficulties with the core functioning of my main screenreader.

However assuming  that you want to stick with your setup and do not want to switch to using Explorer ++ the way I have coped with NVDA difficulties with File Explorer  in the past was to switch to Narrator with control windows enter  until NVDA started responding again.

The situation is better now but for a long time NVDA was pretty dreadful with File Explorer for me, taking ages and ages to recognise and respond to any files in a file explorer list.  Not just sluggish but completely unresponsive. In those situations I simply switched to Narrator and used that with File Explorer. Unlike NVDA Narrator would instantly start reading the necessary filenames as you cursor down.  I continued like this until NVDA decided to wake up again. As soon as NVDA was responding again I would turn Narrator off again with control windows enter and revert to using NVDA solely.

You could try the same approach with your File Explorer Drive tree.

David Griffith

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: 27 December 2019 07:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] confused

 

I use the tree view to get to places quickly.  Aside from drive C I have E, F, H, K, and N as well as needing to get to Dropbox quickly. Can you imagine all the backspacing I would have to do?

 

******

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!                                                                       

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 5:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] confused

 

Its interesting.  You have established that the tree view is workihng properlhy but that NVDA isn’t recognizing it.  Are you pursuing this because you particularly want to use the tree view instead of the list view or just as a matter of curiosity and interest? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 5:32 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] confused

 

Here is an update. I discovered that when I shift tab to where the tree view is suppose to be and I know the first two letters of where I am trying to get to I find I am in the correct place. Even though nothing is announced until I tab to the item view and voila! I’m in the right place. So the tree view is there but NVDA is not announcing where I am.

 

 

******

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!                                                                       

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 8:38 AM
To: Gene; nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] confused

 

I just looked at the setting in the advanced category.  I don't think it applies, but if the check box is checked, uncheck it.  I doubt you ever changed the setting but I was trying to think of something that might apply.

 

Also, though I don't think it would make any difference, have you tried changing the window, maximizing it if it isn't, or restoring it if it isn't?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 8:52 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] confused

 

Is the item view the same as a list view?  If so, you can use it very efficiently and, I prefer the list view because nothing automatically opens.  Simply back space to move up one level and press enter to open something like a drive or a folder. 


As to why the tree view isn't being read, I don't know, but I wonder if it has anything to do with the UIA setting being used.  I don't know where it is in NVDA, but there is a setting for using UIA or not using UIA.  What is it set for?  others can discuss that setting in more detail, I don't have Windows 10.

 

]Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 6:46 AM

Subject: [nvda] confused

 

I have downgraded to 2019.2 and I still get the same result. When I open file explorer and shift tab from the item view to what  should be the tree view NVDA does not speak. If I shift tab again it says Cortana. When I turn NVDA off and open JAWS the tree view is there. Two weeks ago everything was fine. I have even uninstalled NVDA and reinstalled and get the same results. On my laptop which is also running NVDA2019.2.1 it is working just fine in this area.  The only major thing that I have done in this time period is to upgrade Windows to    

Version 1909 OS build 18365.535.

I am running the same version and build on the laptop but not having this problem in file explorer there.

******

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!                                                                       

 

 

 
Re: confused

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

If this code works, it should let 32-bit apps use 32-bit Oleacc.dll by registering it.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2019 10:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] confused

 

Tyler,

           This is what's in the issue, and I quote:

"On my win10 machine, this python console command fixes it if NVDA is run as administrator, but I forgot exactly what it does. It seems to return an error, but I'm not sure how to turn the int back into a HRESULT. However, it doesn't work on the win7 VM:
import comtypes,ctypes;p=comtypes.typeinfo.LoadTypeLibEx(r"c:\windows\syswow64\oleacc.dll");ctypes.windll.oleaut32.RegisterTypeLib(p, ur"c:\windows\syswow64\oleacc.dll", None)"

I'm sorry, but even as a computer geek with decades of experience it was not entirely clear to me under what conditions this worked, or didn't.  And I doubt that most readers here, including myself, have Python console expertise or even a moment's experience, which matters.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 
Re: confused

Brian Vogel
 

Tyler,

           This is what's in the issue, and I quote:

"On my win10 machine, this python console command fixes it if NVDA is run as administrator, but I forgot exactly what it does. It seems to return an error, but I'm not sure how to turn the int back into a HRESULT. However, it doesn't work on the win7 VM:
import comtypes,ctypes;p=comtypes.typeinfo.LoadTypeLibEx(r"c:\windows\syswow64\oleacc.dll");ctypes.windll.oleaut32.RegisterTypeLib(p, ur"c:\windows\syswow64\oleacc.dll", None)"

I'm sorry, but even as a computer geek with decades of experience it was not entirely clear to me under what conditions this worked, or didn't.  And I doubt that most readers here, including myself, have Python console expertise or even a moment's experience, which matters.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 
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