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Re: some keyboard commands

Monte Single
 

I use cut, copy and paste a lot, every day.

Sometimes the paste command does not work, and that is because I did not make sure  I had the text or item selected.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: January-11-20 9:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] some keyboard commands

 

Probably because it's generally not considered necessary (though I'll be shocked if someone doesn't come back saying there's a setting you can use to do just that).

Visually, you get no indicator that a copy has occurred, though a cut is obvious since something disappears and a paste is just as obvious because something appears.  That being said, the CTRL+C (copy), CTRL+X (cut), and CTRL+V (paste) commands are used so frequently and are, in my experience, 100% reliable or very close to it, and become such an automatic thing for keyboard shortcut users that announcement as a default would be auditory clutter.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 


Re: some keyboard commands

 

Probably because it's generally not considered necessary (though I'll be shocked if someone doesn't come back saying there's a setting you can use to do just that).

Visually, you get no indicator that a copy has occurred, though a cut is obvious since something disappears and a paste is just as obvious because something appears.  That being said, the CTRL+C (copy), CTRL+X (cut), and CTRL+V (paste) commands are used so frequently and are, in my experience, 100% reliable or very close to it, and become such an automatic thing for keyboard shortcut users that announcement as a default would be auditory clutter.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 


Thunderbird Address Book Question?

Jim O'Sullivan
 

I have recently updated to the latest Thunderbird, 68.4.1.
When I go to the address book I get no spoken feedback when I up and down arrow through the list of my entries.
I can still type the first few letters of a name I am searching for, but I do not get any spoken indication of where I am in the list.
I can use alt+enter to go into edit an entry and then I have all fields spoken.
Is there anyway to fix this?
I am using NVDA 2019.2.

Jim


Re: Purchasing Eloquence

John Isige
 

The one thing NVDA can't change, as far as I know, is the "voice
profile" in the advanced section of the Eloquence program. It's where
you pick voices like Reed, Gramma, and so on. I've never seen a reason
to change from the default myself, but it's there if anybody wants it,
and so far as I know,, you can only do that from the Eloquence program
itself.

On 1/11/2020 4:14 AM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:

That is what I discovered. When they were checked NVDA could not
change anything.

******

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
you!

*From: *John Isige <mailto:gwynn@tds.net>
*Sent: *Friday, January 10, 2020 10:01 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

It shouldn't. If you tab through when you open the Eloquence program,

there are three checkboxes, "force pitch settings", "force speech rate",

and "force volume". If all of them are unchecked, NVDA should be able to

change all of those settings and the changes should stay in place.

On 1/10/2020 19:55, Gene wrote:

Maybe if you set anything in NVDA, it turns the force settings on.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Robert Doc Wright godfearer <mailto:godfearer@comcast.net>
*Sent:* Friday, January 10, 2020 7:21 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence
I figured it out. If I set anything in eloquence it over rides the
NVDA settings.
******
character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
you!
*From: *Gene <mailto:gsasner@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Friday, January 10, 2020 10:34 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence
Check the settings in the actual Eloquence program itself.  I've used
the demo but I didn't work with the settings enough to remember how
you get to this one.  But in the settings for the voices themselves,
there is a force setting.  Make sure it is off.  Force causes the
voices to disregard screen-reader settings and use settings for the
voices themselves.  It is off by default but yours may be on for some
reason.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Robert Doc Wright godfearer <mailto:godfearer@comcast.net>
*Sent:*Friday, January 10, 2020 8:14 AM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence
I just purchased mine and no matter what I do if I press NVDA+ctrl+the
arrow keys the changes do not take affect. If I press NVDA+ctrl+v and
make changes they are not taking affect. Only when I open Sappi5
eloquence. On Code factory’s page I don’t recall seeing a choice
between Sappi5 and NVDA. Only   eloquence for windows.
******
character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
you!
*From: *John Isige <mailto:gwynn@tds.net>
*Sent: *Friday, January 10, 2020 1:12 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence
Uh, no you don't. I can make those changes from the synth settings ring
or the menus just fine. You've been able to do that since I bought it,
and I think I'm up to version 1.6.6 or something. Unless they made a new
version and broke something in the last month or so, you should be able
to change settings without opening Eloquence. I only open mine if I need
to deactivate before a major Windows update, and reactivate afterwards.
On 1/10/2020 0:16, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
What I am noticing is that with the Sappi voice you lose the ability
to change speed, volume, pitch and rate. You have to open Eloquence to
make those  changes.
******
character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
you!
*From: *coccinelle@tds.net <mailto:coccinelle@tds.net>
*Sent: *Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:27 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence
Is there a difference between the NVDA and the SAPI voices?
Thanks
Blessings
Pascal
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Shaun
Everiss
*Sent:* Thursday, January 9, 2020 4:56 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence
atguys.com has both the nvda and sapi versions.
Their support is good.
On 10/01/2020 10:51 am, Dan Kerstetter wrote:
     Hello all.
     Where is the best place from which to purchase the Eloquence
     speech synthesizer?  I’ve been to the code factory site;
     downloaded eloquence from their app store, but don’t know how to
     register/purchase it.
     Any help, info or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
     Thanks in advance.
     For an hour of good alternative and classic rock tune in to my
     show:  A Little Bit of This and a Little Bit of That  Monday at
     5:00 eastern and Tuesday and Friday 8:00 eastern on out of sight
     radio.
http://www.out-of-sight.net/radio


some keyboard commands

Brice Mijares
 

Using NVDA, why don't NVDA echo the keyboard commands copy, cut, paste ETC?


Re: OCR

Gene
 

Kurszweil may still allow you to set an engine.  Openbook used to, but they now have settings such as faster and slower, but more accurate.  It may be that one of these settings only uses one engine for speed.  One or two others use more than one and combine the results for best accuracy, or what Openbook says is best accuracy.  I haven't eexperimented much with this, but in the very little I've done, it appears to me that I may often get better results on the fastest setting.  I suspect the fastest setting only uses one engine.  I don't recall why, it was years ago, but the small amount of experimenting I did led me to believe that fastest uses Fine Reader. 
 
And just because one engine may be used in that you may be able to set one as you could and may still be able to in Kurzweil, that doesn't mean it is completely used.  For example, for a time, openbook used Fine Reader to decolumnize text, whichever engine you selected for recognition.  It may still do so; I haven't seen this discussed for a long time.  I don't know what Kurzweil did.
 
But I'm not sure what you are asking.  You can't just run an engine from Openbook or Kurzweil and not have the rest of the program running.  And what would be the point?  It is no easier to scan if you could just run the engine.  You don't have to use any other features of Openbook or Kurzweil if you don't want to.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

It's my impression that both open book and kurzweil use one of the
popular recognition engines, omnipage, ABBY, etc?  With one of those
packages installed, is it possible to use just the ocr engine without
messing with the whole package?  I must put on my hacker's hat.

Howard

On 1/11/2020 6:11 AM, Angel wrote:
>
> Perhaps the difficulty often encountered with optical character
> recognition software might be the sort of scanner employed.  I
> upgraded my computer, recently.  Which involved purchasing a new
> scanner.  I changed brands of scanner.  I found my new scanner made
> quite a difference in the ability to recognize character recognition. 
> Of course, I use the “Open Book” program.
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
> *From: *Shaun Everiss <mailto:sm.everiss@...>
> *Sent: *Saturday, January 11, 2020 1:35 AM
> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] OCR
>
> While in university, I tried the demo and liked it.
>
> I couldn't afford the software so just cracked it with some serials some
>
> guy gave me from somewhere.
>
> I used it for the next 5 years.
>
> My eventual plan then was to buy the software but when I upgraded to the
>
> next windows version, that was one of the things I had to give up.
>
> If I ever get a actual well paying contract or something or win loto or
>
> something which gets me a load of cash though I'm going to buy it.
>
> I found the program a seemless experience using both abbyy and omnipage
>
> engines with braille translation and pdf viewing second to none and it
>
> would always be the prefured scanner of choice.
>
> I use abbyy fine reader and while that and knfb does work well enough, I
>
> would prefur it as it saved my rear many times.
>
> On 11/01/2020 5:57 pm, Monte Single wrote:
>
> > Yes,
>
> >
>
> > It is a great program;  toobad the k 1000 costs a thousand dollars,
> but loaded with bells and whistles.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Shaun Everiss
>
> > Sent: January-10-20 7:22 PM
>
> > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>
> > Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR
>
> >
>
> > Hmph.
>
> > I did not know that.
>
> > So I guess we can view the knfb reader is the kurzweil home version
> with just basic scanning and ocr without the other stuff.
>
> > Now eventually I plan to get the regular k1000 as I used it at
> university for various things, including braille conversion, and its a
> really good program.
>
> >
>
> > On 11/01/2020, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:
>
> >> Hi Shaun,
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> The k in knfb  comes from Kurzweil.
>
> >>
>
> >> The earliest versions of Kurzweil scanning software go back to the
>
> >> seventies.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>
> >> Shaun Everiss
>
> >> Sent: January-10-20 4:41 PM
>
> >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>
> >> Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> I have both abbyy and knfb I got knfb on convention week last year or
>
> >> was it the year before when it was only 20 us it is a good program but
>
> >> had no idea it works with a scanner.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> On 11/01/2020 10:08 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> Hi
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> The app I use on my windows 10 machine is KNFB reader and is very
>
> >> accessible with nvda. it works with my flat bed scanner/printer and it
>
> >> seems if you have a couple of computers with the same account and a
>
> >> spare scanner it can be installed on the other computer as well.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> I think also you can trial it 25 scans with some limitations then it
>
> >> has to be brought. Not sure what price it is now I did not think it
>
> >> was that bad may be 90 dollars kiwi on sale? You would ahve to see how
>
> >> much in your language dollars but only works on windows 10.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Gene nz
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> On 10/01/2020 8:26 pm, Brian Crabtree wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> I don’t have any recent experience of Abbyy, but I set up Omnipage for
>
> >> a friend in 2018 and he finds it works well with his flatbed scanner.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> I set up two simple workflows using Omnipage itself (I can’t write
>
> >> scripts) and he runs them using NVDA, rather than using the buttons
> on the scanner.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> What follows are my instructions on using the workflows, in case they
>
> >> might help someone to choose between Abby and Omnipage. Here they are:
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> The workflows allow you to choose either to scan a physical document
>
> >> before doing O C R or to select a document to O C R - for example, a
>
> >> file that was attached to an email, so is already in electronic form
>
> >> but is not yet readable by NVDA.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Each set of instructions to Omnipage is called a workflow - the one
>
> >> you will normally want I have called "Scan to Word”.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> The way to run a scan is to start Omnipage from the TaskBar, using
>
> >> Windows key plus T for Tango, then arrowing to Omnipage and pressing
>
> >> Enter to start it.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> It seems that Omnipage does not remember which workflow you were using
>
> >> last, so you need to change the workflow each time, as follows:
>
> >>
>
> >> *       Load Omnipage.
>
> >> *       Remove the document it has saved from the previous run, if
> any, by
>
> >> pressing alt plus f then n.
>
> >> *       Press No when asked to save it.
>
> >> *       Select the correct workflow using alt plus p then w to open
> the workflows
>
> >> list.
>
> >> *       Arrow down to the one for “Scan to Word” and press Enter to
> select it.
>
> >> *       Start the selected workflow using alt plus p then w then s
> - if you are
>
> >> scanning, the scan will start.
>
> >> *       N B  if you choose the workflow to O C R a file that you
> have saved
>
> >> earlier (e.g. one which was attached to an email) you will be taken to
>
> >> a File Explorer window, to choose it, with the current directory set
>
> >> to Downloads, so it’s easiest if you save attachments in the
> Downloads folder.
>
> >> *       Wait for the workflow to complete - for the scan workflow,
> click the "stop
>
> >> loading pages" button.
>
> >> *       NVDA seems not to speak, so alt plus tab out & back to
> start speech and
>
> >> you should hear it speak the wording that has been recognised.
>
> >>
>
> >> If NVDA refuses to speak, you can get Omnipage to voice the result.
>
> >> After pressing caps lock plus S (twice) to turn NVDA speech off:
>
> >>
>
> >> *       turn on Omnipage's speech mode by pressing F5 or alt plus t
> then s.
>
> >> *       press ctrl plus end to hear the result spoken.
>
> >> *       you can interrupt or stop Omnipage speech by pressing F.
>
> >> *       after it finishes, turn NVDA speech back on with caps lock
> plus S.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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>
>




Re: OCR

Pascal Lambert
 

Hi,

Have been using the HP I.R.I.S. OCR which came with my HP Jet Pro printer 8710 wireless a printer/scanner combo purchased 3 years ago for $99.  It works well and is accessible with NVDA.  It saves in PDF image, RTF and TXT. The printer has a document feeder that accommodate 50 pages.

Blessings

Pascal

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 9:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

 

I have been using scanners since the last millennium.

I have used Canon, hp and Epson brands.

From my experience, the only reason the scanner would yield poor results is if the platen is dirty or the quality of the  text is poor.

It is the ocr software and the software setting that determine the results.

Just because the hardware specs of the scanner   are higher has nothing to do with the ocr results.

Most ocr software is set  to 300 dots per inch when scanning text.

This is about the lowest resolution a typical scanner is set to.

I may be be mistaken in some respect,  but this has been my experience.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: January-11-20 6:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

 

Perhaps the difficulty often encountered with optical character recognition software might be the sort of scanner employed.  I upgraded my computer, recently.  Which involved purchasing a new scanner.  I changed brands of scanner.  I found my new scanner made quite a difference in the ability to recognize character recognition.  Of course, I use the “Open Book” program.    

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 1:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

 

While in university, I tried the demo and liked it.

 

I couldn't afford the software so just cracked it with some serials some

guy gave me from somewhere.

 

I used it for the next 5 years.

 

My eventual plan then was to buy the software but when I upgraded to the

next windows version, that was one of the things I had to give up.

 

If I ever get a actual well paying contract or something or win loto or

something which gets me a load of cash though I'm going to buy it.

 

I found the program a seemless experience using both abbyy and omnipage

engines with braille translation and pdf viewing second to none and it

would always be the prefured scanner of choice.

 

I use abbyy fine reader and while that and knfb does work well enough, I

would prefur it as it saved my rear many times.

 

 

 

On 11/01/2020 5:57 pm, Monte Single wrote:

> Yes,

> It is a great program;  toobad the k 1000 costs a thousand dollars, but loaded with bells and whistles.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss

> Sent: January-10-20 7:22 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

> Hmph.

> I did not know that.

> So I guess we can view the knfb reader is the kurzweil home version with just basic scanning and ocr without the other stuff.

> Now eventually I plan to get the regular k1000 as I used it at university for various things, including braille conversion, and its a really good program.

> On 11/01/2020, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:

>> Hi Shaun,

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> The k in knfb  comes from Kurzweil.

>> 

>> The earliest versions of Kurzweil scanning software go back to the

>> seventies.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Shaun Everiss

>> Sent: January-10-20 4:41 PM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I have both abbyy and knfb I got knfb on convention week last year or

>> was it the year before when it was only 20 us it is a good program but

>> had no idea it works with a scanner.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> On 11/01/2020 10:08 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

>> 

>> Hi

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> The app I use on my windows 10 machine is KNFB reader and is very

>> accessible with nvda. it works with my flat bed scanner/printer and it

>> seems if you have a couple of computers with the same account and a

>> spare scanner it can be installed on the other computer as well.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I think also you can trial it 25 scans with some limitations then it

>> has to be brought. Not sure what price it is now I did not think it

>> was that bad may be 90 dollars kiwi on sale? You would ahve to see how

>> much in your language dollars but only works on windows 10.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Gene nz

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> On 10/01/2020 8:26 pm, Brian Crabtree wrote:

>> 

>> I don’t have any recent experience of Abbyy, but I set up Omnipage for

>> a friend in 2018 and he finds it works well with his flatbed scanner.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I set up two simple workflows using Omnipage itself (I can’t write

>> scripts) and he runs them using NVDA, rather than using the buttons on the scanner.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> What follows are my instructions on using the workflows, in case they

>> might help someone to choose between Abby and Omnipage. Here they are:

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> The workflows allow you to choose either to scan a physical document

>> before doing O C R or to select a document to O C R - for example, a

>> file that was attached to an email, so is already in electronic form

>> but is not yet readable by NVDA.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Each set of instructions to Omnipage is called a workflow - the one

>> you will normally want I have called "Scan to Word”.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> The way to run a scan is to start Omnipage from the TaskBar, using

>> Windows key plus T for Tango, then arrowing to Omnipage and pressing

>> Enter to start it.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> It seems that Omnipage does not remember which workflow you were using

>> last, so you need to change the workflow each time, as follows:

>> 

>> *       Load Omnipage.

>> *       Remove the document it has saved from the previous run, if any, by

>> pressing alt plus f then n.

>> *       Press No when asked to save it.

>> *       Select the correct workflow using alt plus p then w to open the workflows

>> list.

>> *       Arrow down to the one for “Scan to Word” and press Enter to select it.

>> *       Start the selected workflow using alt plus p then w then s - if you are

>> scanning, the scan will start.

>> *       N B  if you choose the workflow to O C R a file that you have saved

>> earlier (e.g. one which was attached to an email) you will be taken to

>> a File Explorer window, to choose it, with the current directory set

>> to Downloads, so it’s easiest if you save attachments in the Downloads folder.

>> *       Wait for the workflow to complete - for the scan workflow, click the "stop

>> loading pages" button.

>> *       NVDA seems not to speak, so alt plus tab out & back to start speech and

>> you should hear it speak the wording that has been recognised.

>> 

>> If NVDA refuses to speak, you can get Omnipage to voice the result.

>> After pressing caps lock plus S (twice) to turn NVDA speech off:

>> 

>> *       turn on Omnipage's speech mode by pressing F5 or alt plus t then s.

>> *       press ctrl plus end to hear the result spoken.

>> *       you can interrupt or stop Omnipage speech by pressing F.

>> *       after it finishes, turn NVDA speech back on with caps lock plus S.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 


Re: OCR

Monte Single
 

I have been using scanners since the last millennium.

I have used Canon, hp and Epson brands.

From my experience, the only reason the scanner would yield poor results is if the platen is dirty or the quality of the  text is poor.

It is the ocr software and the software setting that determine the results.

Just because the hardware specs of the scanner   are higher has nothing to do with the ocr results.

Most ocr software is set  to 300 dots per inch when scanning text.

This is about the lowest resolution a typical scanner is set to.

I may be be mistaken in some respect,  but this has been my experience.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: January-11-20 6:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

 

Perhaps the difficulty often encountered with optical character recognition software might be the sort of scanner employed.  I upgraded my computer, recently.  Which involved purchasing a new scanner.  I changed brands of scanner.  I found my new scanner made quite a difference in the ability to recognize character recognition.  Of course, I use the “Open Book” program.    

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 1:35 AM
To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

 

While in university, I tried the demo and liked it.

 

I couldn't afford the software so just cracked it with some serials some

guy gave me from somewhere.

 

I used it for the next 5 years.

 

My eventual plan then was to buy the software but when I upgraded to the

next windows version, that was one of the things I had to give up.

 

If I ever get a actual well paying contract or something or win loto or

something which gets me a load of cash though I'm going to buy it.

 

I found the program a seemless experience using both abbyy and omnipage

engines with braille translation and pdf viewing second to none and it

would always be the prefured scanner of choice.

 

I use abbyy fine reader and while that and knfb does work well enough, I

would prefur it as it saved my rear many times.

 

 

 

On 11/01/2020 5:57 pm, Monte Single wrote:

> Yes,

> It is a great program;  toobad the k 1000 costs a thousand dollars, but loaded with bells and whistles.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss

> Sent: January-10-20 7:22 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

> Hmph.

> I did not know that.

> So I guess we can view the knfb reader is the kurzweil home version with just basic scanning and ocr without the other stuff.

> Now eventually I plan to get the regular k1000 as I used it at university for various things, including braille conversion, and its a really good program.

> On 11/01/2020, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:

>> Hi Shaun,

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> The k in knfb  comes from Kurzweil.

>> 

>> The earliest versions of Kurzweil scanning software go back to the

>> seventies.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Shaun Everiss

>> Sent: January-10-20 4:41 PM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I have both abbyy and knfb I got knfb on convention week last year or

>> was it the year before when it was only 20 us it is a good program but

>> had no idea it works with a scanner.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> On 11/01/2020 10:08 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

>> 

>> Hi

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> The app I use on my windows 10 machine is KNFB reader and is very

>> accessible with nvda. it works with my flat bed scanner/printer and it

>> seems if you have a couple of computers with the same account and a

>> spare scanner it can be installed on the other computer as well.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I think also you can trial it 25 scans with some limitations then it

>> has to be brought. Not sure what price it is now I did not think it

>> was that bad may be 90 dollars kiwi on sale? You would ahve to see how

>> much in your language dollars but only works on windows 10.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Gene nz

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> On 10/01/2020 8:26 pm, Brian Crabtree wrote:

>> 

>> I don’t have any recent experience of Abbyy, but I set up Omnipage for

>> a friend in 2018 and he finds it works well with his flatbed scanner.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I set up two simple workflows using Omnipage itself (I can’t write

>> scripts) and he runs them using NVDA, rather than using the buttons on the scanner.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> What follows are my instructions on using the workflows, in case they

>> might help someone to choose between Abby and Omnipage. Here they are:

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> The workflows allow you to choose either to scan a physical document

>> before doing O C R or to select a document to O C R - for example, a

>> file that was attached to an email, so is already in electronic form

>> but is not yet readable by NVDA.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Each set of instructions to Omnipage is called a workflow - the one

>> you will normally want I have called "Scan to Word”.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> The way to run a scan is to start Omnipage from the TaskBar, using

>> Windows key plus T for Tango, then arrowing to Omnipage and pressing

>> Enter to start it.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> It seems that Omnipage does not remember which workflow you were using

>> last, so you need to change the workflow each time, as follows:

>> 

>> *       Load Omnipage.

>> *       Remove the document it has saved from the previous run, if any, by

>> pressing alt plus f then n.

>> *       Press No when asked to save it.

>> *       Select the correct workflow using alt plus p then w to open the workflows

>> list.

>> *       Arrow down to the one for “Scan to Word” and press Enter to select it.

>> *       Start the selected workflow using alt plus p then w then s - if you are

>> scanning, the scan will start.

>> *       N B  if you choose the workflow to O C R a file that you have saved

>> earlier (e.g. one which was attached to an email) you will be taken to

>> a File Explorer window, to choose it, with the current directory set

>> to Downloads, so it’s easiest if you save attachments in the Downloads folder.

>> *       Wait for the workflow to complete - for the scan workflow, click the "stop

>> loading pages" button.

>> *       NVDA seems not to speak, so alt plus tab out & back to start speech and

>> you should hear it speak the wording that has been recognised.

>> 

>> If NVDA refuses to speak, you can get Omnipage to voice the result.

>> After pressing caps lock plus S (twice) to turn NVDA speech off:

>> 

>> *       turn on Omnipage's speech mode by pressing F5 or alt plus t then s.

>> *       press ctrl plus end to hear the result spoken.

>> *       you can interrupt or stop Omnipage speech by pressing F.

>> *       after it finishes, turn NVDA speech back on with caps lock plus S.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 


Re: OCR

Howard Traxler
 

It's my impression that both open book and kurzweil use one of the popular recognition engines, omnipage, ABBY, etc?  With one of those packages installed, is it possible to use just the ocr engine without messing with the whole package?  I must put on my hacker's hat.

Howard

On 1/11/2020 6:11 AM, Angel wrote:

Perhaps the difficulty often encountered with optical character recognition software might be the sort of scanner employed.  I upgraded my computer, recently.  Which involved purchasing a new scanner.  I changed brands of scanner.  I found my new scanner made quite a difference in the ability to recognize character recognition.  Of course, I use the “Open Book” program.

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*From: *Shaun Everiss <mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Saturday, January 11, 2020 1:35 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] OCR

While in university, I tried the demo and liked it.

I couldn't afford the software so just cracked it with some serials some

guy gave me from somewhere.

I used it for the next 5 years.

My eventual plan then was to buy the software but when I upgraded to the

next windows version, that was one of the things I had to give up.

If I ever get a actual well paying contract or something or win loto or

something which gets me a load of cash though I'm going to buy it.

I found the program a seemless experience using both abbyy and omnipage

engines with braille translation and pdf viewing second to none and it

would always be the prefured scanner of choice.

I use abbyy fine reader and while that and knfb does work well enough, I

would prefur it as it saved my rear many times.

On 11/01/2020 5:57 pm, Monte Single wrote:

Yes,
It is a great program;  toobad the k 1000 costs a thousand dollars,
but loaded with bells and whistles.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun Everiss

Sent: January-10-20 7:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR
Hmph.
I did not know that.
So I guess we can view the knfb reader is the kurzweil home version
with just basic scanning and ocr without the other stuff.

Now eventually I plan to get the regular k1000 as I used it at
university for various things, including braille conversion, and its a really good program.

On 11/01/2020, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:
Hi Shaun,
The k in knfb  comes from Kurzweil.
The earliest versions of Kurzweil scanning software go back to the
seventies.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun Everiss
Sent: January-10-20 4:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR
I have both abbyy and knfb I got knfb on convention week last year or
was it the year before when it was only 20 us it is a good program but
had no idea it works with a scanner.
On 11/01/2020 10:08 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi
The app I use on my windows 10 machine is KNFB reader and is very
accessible with nvda. it works with my flat bed scanner/printer and it
seems if you have a couple of computers with the same account and a
spare scanner it can be installed on the other computer as well.
I think also you can trial it 25 scans with some limitations then it
has to be brought. Not sure what price it is now I did not think it
was that bad may be 90 dollars kiwi on sale? You would ahve to see how
much in your language dollars but only works on windows 10.
Gene nz
On 10/01/2020 8:26 pm, Brian Crabtree wrote:
I don’t have any recent experience of Abbyy, but I set up Omnipage for
a friend in 2018 and he finds it works well with his flatbed scanner.
I set up two simple workflows using Omnipage itself (I can’t write
scripts) and he runs them using NVDA, rather than using the buttons
on the scanner.

What follows are my instructions on using the workflows, in case they
might help someone to choose between Abby and Omnipage. Here they are:
The workflows allow you to choose either to scan a physical document
before doing O C R or to select a document to O C R - for example, a
file that was attached to an email, so is already in electronic form
but is not yet readable by NVDA.
Each set of instructions to Omnipage is called a workflow - the one
you will normally want I have called "Scan to Word”.
The way to run a scan is to start Omnipage from the TaskBar, using
Windows key plus T for Tango, then arrowing to Omnipage and pressing
Enter to start it.
It seems that Omnipage does not remember which workflow you were using
last, so you need to change the workflow each time, as follows:
*       Load Omnipage.
*       Remove the document it has saved from the previous run, if
any, by

pressing alt plus f then n.
*       Press No when asked to save it.
*       Select the correct workflow using alt plus p then w to open
the workflows

list.
*       Arrow down to the one for “Scan to Word” and press Enter to
select it.

*       Start the selected workflow using alt plus p then w then s
- if you are

scanning, the scan will start.
*       N B  if you choose the workflow to O C R a file that you
have saved

earlier (e.g. one which was attached to an email) you will be taken to
a File Explorer window, to choose it, with the current directory set
to Downloads, so it’s easiest if you save attachments in the
Downloads folder.

*       Wait for the workflow to complete - for the scan workflow,
click the "stop

loading pages" button.
*       NVDA seems not to speak, so alt plus tab out & back to
start speech and

you should hear it speak the wording that has been recognised.
If NVDA refuses to speak, you can get Omnipage to voice the result.
After pressing caps lock plus S (twice) to turn NVDA speech off:
*       turn on Omnipage's speech mode by pressing F5 or alt plus t
then s.

*       press ctrl plus end to hear the result spoken.
*       you can interrupt or stop Omnipage speech by pressing F.
*       after it finishes, turn NVDA speech back on with caps lock
plus S.


NVDA add-on Developer toolkit and overlap detection

Andy B.
 

  Hi,

I am planning out a feature called overlap detection. However, I need your input on the matter. Since Developer toolkit has many different use cases and environments it works in, this feature may be difficult to satisfy in every scenario. In web content, CSS/HTML rules usually dictate that a child-parent relationship between two or more objects is permanent. In most cases, a parent object will grow to accommodate the combined size of its children. In other cases, such as the position: absolute or position: fixed style rules, the children of the parent can be truncated if it exceeds the parent's boundaries. In the position: fixed scenario, the objects in the position:fixed will at some point create an overlap because the object with the fixed rule maintains its original position, even if the page scrolls.
In other environments, the parent-child relationship doesn't exist, or the parent fails to accommodate the children's size. Thus, the child can exceed the boundaries of the parent. Developer toolkit can reasonably meet most overlap detection requirements, but I need some input on what reasonable guidelines to follow. What do you recommend?


Re: OCR

Angel
 

Perhaps the difficulty often encountered with optical character recognition software might be the sort of scanner employed.  I upgraded my computer, recently.  Which involved purchasing a new scanner.  I changed brands of scanner.  I found my new scanner made quite a difference in the ability to recognize character recognition.  Of course, I use the “Open Book” program.    

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 1:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

 

While in university, I tried the demo and liked it.

 

I couldn't afford the software so just cracked it with some serials some

guy gave me from somewhere.

 

I used it for the next 5 years.

 

My eventual plan then was to buy the software but when I upgraded to the

next windows version, that was one of the things I had to give up.

 

If I ever get a actual well paying contract or something or win loto or

something which gets me a load of cash though I'm going to buy it.

 

I found the program a seemless experience using both abbyy and omnipage

engines with braille translation and pdf viewing second to none and it

would always be the prefured scanner of choice.

 

I use abbyy fine reader and while that and knfb does work well enough, I

would prefur it as it saved my rear many times.

 

 

 

On 11/01/2020 5:57 pm, Monte Single wrote:

> Yes,

> It is a great program;  toobad the k 1000 costs a thousand dollars, but loaded with bells and whistles.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss

> Sent: January-10-20 7:22 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

> Hmph.

> I did not know that.

> So I guess we can view the knfb reader is the kurzweil home version with just basic scanning and ocr without the other stuff.

> Now eventually I plan to get the regular k1000 as I used it at university for various things, including braille conversion, and its a really good program.

> On 11/01/2020, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:

>> Hi Shaun,

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> The k in knfb  comes from Kurzweil.

>> 

>> The earliest versions of Kurzweil scanning software go back to the

>> seventies.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Shaun Everiss

>> Sent: January-10-20 4:41 PM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I have both abbyy and knfb I got knfb on convention week last year or

>> was it the year before when it was only 20 us it is a good program but

>> had no idea it works with a scanner.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> On 11/01/2020 10:08 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

>> 

>> Hi

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> The app I use on my windows 10 machine is KNFB reader and is very

>> accessible with nvda. it works with my flat bed scanner/printer and it

>> seems if you have a couple of computers with the same account and a

>> spare scanner it can be installed on the other computer as well.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I think also you can trial it 25 scans with some limitations then it

>> has to be brought. Not sure what price it is now I did not think it

>> was that bad may be 90 dollars kiwi on sale? You would ahve to see how

>> much in your language dollars but only works on windows 10.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Gene nz

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> On 10/01/2020 8:26 pm, Brian Crabtree wrote:

>> 

>> I don’t have any recent experience of Abbyy, but I set up Omnipage for

>> a friend in 2018 and he finds it works well with his flatbed scanner.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I set up two simple workflows using Omnipage itself (I can’t write

>> scripts) and he runs them using NVDA, rather than using the buttons on the scanner.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> What follows are my instructions on using the workflows, in case they

>> might help someone to choose between Abby and Omnipage. Here they are:

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> The workflows allow you to choose either to scan a physical document

>> before doing O C R or to select a document to O C R - for example, a

>> file that was attached to an email, so is already in electronic form

>> but is not yet readable by NVDA.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Each set of instructions to Omnipage is called a workflow - the one

>> you will normally want I have called "Scan to Word”.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> The way to run a scan is to start Omnipage from the TaskBar, using

>> Windows key plus T for Tango, then arrowing to Omnipage and pressing

>> Enter to start it.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> It seems that Omnipage does not remember which workflow you were using

>> last, so you need to change the workflow each time, as follows:

>> 

>> *       Load Omnipage.

>> *       Remove the document it has saved from the previous run, if any, by

>> pressing alt plus f then n.

>> *       Press No when asked to save it.

>> *       Select the correct workflow using alt plus p then w to open the workflows

>> list.

>> *       Arrow down to the one for “Scan to Word” and press Enter to select it.

>> *       Start the selected workflow using alt plus p then w then s - if you are

>> scanning, the scan will start.

>> *       N B  if you choose the workflow to O C R a file that you have saved

>> earlier (e.g. one which was attached to an email) you will be taken to

>> a File Explorer window, to choose it, with the current directory set

>> to Downloads, so it’s easiest if you save attachments in the Downloads folder.

>> *       Wait for the workflow to complete - for the scan workflow, click the "stop

>> loading pages" button.

>> *       NVDA seems not to speak, so alt plus tab out & back to start speech and

>> you should hear it speak the wording that has been recognised.

>> 

>> If NVDA refuses to speak, you can get Omnipage to voice the result.

>> After pressing caps lock plus S (twice) to turn NVDA speech off:

>> 

>> *       turn on Omnipage's speech mode by pressing F5 or alt plus t then s.

>> *       press ctrl plus end to hear the result spoken.

>> *       you can interrupt or stop Omnipage speech by pressing F.

>> *       after it finishes, turn NVDA speech back on with caps lock plus S.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 


Re: OCR

André
 

I am actually a little bit surprised. I used Kurzweil Educational
Systems 1000 with a scanner when I was in school 15 years ago. But at
the time, this ocr did a lot of mistakes, meaning that even quite common
characters  in plain text where often recognized falsely. In contrast to
that, Abby   FineReader has trouble only with special mathematical
symbols, or if the resolution of the image is very poor. Otherwise, I
have not yet encountered mistakes  with its OCR / I use version 14. But
maybe the Kurzweil OCR engine improved over the last years?



On 11/01/2020 07:35, Shaun Everiss wrote:
While in university, I tried the demo and liked it.

I couldn't afford the software so just cracked it with some serials
some guy gave me from somewhere.

I used it for the next 5 years.

My eventual plan then was to buy the software but when I upgraded to
the next windows version, that was one of the things I had to give up.

If I ever get a actual well paying contract or something or win loto
or something which gets me a load of cash though I'm going to buy it.

I found the program a seemless experience using both abbyy and
omnipage engines with braille translation and pdf viewing second to
none and it would always be the prefured scanner of choice.

I use abbyy fine reader and while that and knfb does work well enough,
I would prefur it as it saved my rear many times.



On 11/01/2020 5:57 pm, Monte Single wrote:
Yes,

It is a great program;  toobad the k 1000 costs a thousand dollars,
but loaded with bells and whistles.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun Everiss
Sent: January-10-20 7:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

Hmph.
I did not know that.
So I guess we can view the knfb reader is the kurzweil home version
with just basic scanning and ocr without the other stuff.
Now eventually I plan to get the regular k1000 as I used it at
university for various things, including braille conversion, and its
a really good program.

On 11/01/2020, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:
Hi Shaun,



The k in knfb  comes from Kurzweil.

The earliest versions of Kurzweil scanning software go back to the
seventies.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun Everiss
Sent: January-10-20 4:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR



I have both abbyy and knfb I got knfb on convention week last year or
was it the year before when it was only 20 us it is a good program but
had no idea it works with a scanner.





On 11/01/2020 10:08 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi



The app I use on my windows 10 machine is KNFB reader and is very
accessible with nvda. it works with my flat bed scanner/printer and it
seems if you have a couple of computers with the same account and a
spare scanner it can be installed on the other computer as well.



I think also you can trial it 25 scans with some limitations then it
has to be brought. Not sure what price it is now I did not think it
was that bad may be 90 dollars kiwi on sale? You would ahve to see how
much in your language dollars but only works on windows 10.



Gene nz



On 10/01/2020 8:26 pm, Brian Crabtree wrote:

I don’t have any recent experience of Abbyy, but I set up Omnipage for
a friend in 2018 and he finds it works well with his flatbed scanner.



I set up two simple workflows using Omnipage itself (I can’t write
scripts) and he runs them using NVDA, rather than using the buttons
on the scanner.



What follows are my instructions on using the workflows, in case they
might help someone to choose between Abby and Omnipage. Here they are:



The workflows allow you to choose either to scan a physical document
before doing O C R or to select a document to O C R - for example, a
file that was attached to an email, so is already in electronic form
but is not yet readable by NVDA.



Each set of instructions to Omnipage is called a workflow - the one
you will normally want I have called "Scan to Word”.



The way to run a scan is to start Omnipage from the TaskBar, using
Windows key plus T for Tango, then arrowing to Omnipage and pressing
Enter to start it.



It seems that Omnipage does not remember which workflow you were using
last, so you need to change the workflow each time, as follows:

*    Load Omnipage.
*    Remove the document it has saved from the previous run, if any, by
pressing alt plus f then n.
*    Press No when asked to save it.
*    Select the correct workflow using alt plus p then w to open the
workflows
list.
*    Arrow down to the one for “Scan to Word” and press Enter to
select it.
*    Start the selected workflow using alt plus p then w then s - if
you are
scanning, the scan will start.
*    N B  if you choose the workflow to O C R a file that you have
saved
earlier (e.g. one which was attached to an email) you will be taken to
a File Explorer window, to choose it, with the current directory set
to Downloads, so it’s easiest if you save attachments in the
Downloads folder.
*    Wait for the workflow to complete - for the scan workflow,
click the "stop
loading pages" button.
*    NVDA seems not to speak, so alt plus tab out & back to start
speech and
you should hear it speak the wording that has been recognised.

If NVDA refuses to speak, you can get Omnipage to voice the result.
After pressing caps lock plus S (twice) to turn NVDA speech off:

*    turn on Omnipage's speech mode by pressing F5 or alt plus t
then s.
*    press ctrl plus end to hear the result spoken.
*    you can interrupt or stop Omnipage speech by pressing F.
*    after it finishes, turn NVDA speech back on with caps lock plus S.














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Martin Wiemer

Grabensprung 185
12683 Berlin
Germany

Tel.: +49 178 715 66 76


Re: Purchasing Eloquence

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

That is what I discovered. When they were checked NVDA could not change anything.

 

******

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!                                                                       

 

From: John Isige
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 10:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

 

It shouldn't. If you tab through when you open the Eloquence program,

there are three checkboxes, "force pitch settings", "force speech rate",

and "force volume". If all of them are unchecked, NVDA should be able to

change all of those settings and the changes should stay in place.

 

 

 

On 1/10/2020 19:55, Gene wrote:

> Maybe if you set anything in NVDA, it turns the force settings on.

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> *From:* Robert Doc Wright godfearer <mailto:godfearer@...>

> *Sent:* Friday, January 10, 2020 7:21 PM

> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

> I figured it out. If I set anything in eloquence it over rides the

> NVDA settings.

> ******

> character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for

> you!

> *From: *Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>

> *Sent: *Friday, January 10, 2020 10:34 AM

> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

> Check the settings in the actual Eloquence program itself.  I've used

> the demo but I didn't work with the settings enough to remember how

> you get to this one.  But in the settings for the voices themselves,

> there is a force setting.  Make sure it is off.  Force causes the

> voices to disregard screen-reader settings and use settings for the

> voices themselves.  It is off by default but yours may be on for some

> reason.

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> *From:*Robert Doc Wright godfearer <mailto:godfearer@...>

> *Sent:*Friday, January 10, 2020 8:14 AM

> *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

> I just purchased mine and no matter what I do if I press NVDA+ctrl+the

> arrow keys the changes do not take affect. If I press NVDA+ctrl+v and

> make changes they are not taking affect. Only when I open Sappi5

> eloquence. On Code factory’s page I don’t recall seeing a choice

> between Sappi5 and NVDA. Only   eloquence for windows.

> ******

> character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for

> you!

> *From: *John Isige <mailto:gwynn@...>

> *Sent: *Friday, January 10, 2020 1:12 AM

> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

> Uh, no you don't. I can make those changes from the synth settings ring

> or the menus just fine. You've been able to do that since I bought it,

> and I think I'm up to version 1.6.6 or something. Unless they made a new

> version and broke something in the last month or so, you should be able

> to change settings without opening Eloquence. I only open mine if I need

> to deactivate before a major Windows update, and reactivate afterwards.

> On 1/10/2020 0:16, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:

> >

> > What I am noticing is that with the Sappi voice you lose the ability

> > to change speed, volume, pitch and rate. You have to open Eloquence to

> > make those  changes.

> >

> > ******

> >

> > character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for

> > you!

> >

> > *From: *coccinelle@... <mailto:coccinelle@...>

> > *Sent: *Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:27 PM

> > *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> > *Subject: *Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

> >

> > Is there a difference between the NVDA and the SAPI voices?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Blessings

> >

> > Pascal

> >

> > *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Shaun

> > Everiss

> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 9, 2020 4:56 PM

> > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

> > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

> >

> > atguys.com has both the nvda and sapi versions.

> >

> > Their support is good.

> >

> > On 10/01/2020 10:51 am, Dan Kerstetter wrote:

> >

> >     Hello all.

> >

> >     Where is the best place from which to purchase the Eloquence

> >     speech synthesizer?  I’ve been to the code factory site;

> >     downloaded eloquence from their app store, but don’t know how to

> >     register/purchase it.

> >

> >     Any help, info or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

> >

> >     Thanks in advance.

> >

> >     For an hour of good alternative and classic rock tune in to my

> >     show:  A Little Bit of This and a Little Bit of That  Monday at

> >     5:00 eastern and Tuesday and Friday 8:00 eastern on out of sight

> >     radio.

> >

> >     http://www.out-of-sight.net/radio

> >

> >

>

 

 

 


Re: OCR

 

While in university, I tried the demo and liked it.

I couldn't afford the software so just cracked it with some serials some guy gave me from somewhere.

I used it for the next 5 years.

My eventual plan then was to buy the software but when I upgraded to the next windows version, that was one of the things I had to give up.

If I ever get a actual well paying contract or something or win loto or something which gets me a load of cash though I'm going to buy it.

I found the program a seemless experience using both abbyy and omnipage engines with braille translation and pdf viewing second to none and it would always be the prefured scanner of choice.

I use abbyy fine reader and while that and knfb does work well enough, I would prefur it as it saved my rear many times.

On 11/01/2020 5:57 pm, Monte Single wrote:
Yes,

It is a great program; toobad the k 1000 costs a thousand dollars, but loaded with bells and whistles.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: January-10-20 7:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

Hmph.
I did not know that.
So I guess we can view the knfb reader is the kurzweil home version with just basic scanning and ocr without the other stuff.
Now eventually I plan to get the regular k1000 as I used it at university for various things, including braille conversion, and its a really good program.

On 11/01/2020, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:
Hi Shaun,



The k in knfb comes from Kurzweil.

The earliest versions of Kurzweil scanning software go back to the
seventies.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun Everiss
Sent: January-10-20 4:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR



I have both abbyy and knfb I got knfb on convention week last year or
was it the year before when it was only 20 us it is a good program but
had no idea it works with a scanner.





On 11/01/2020 10:08 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi



The app I use on my windows 10 machine is KNFB reader and is very
accessible with nvda. it works with my flat bed scanner/printer and it
seems if you have a couple of computers with the same account and a
spare scanner it can be installed on the other computer as well.



I think also you can trial it 25 scans with some limitations then it
has to be brought. Not sure what price it is now I did not think it
was that bad may be 90 dollars kiwi on sale? You would ahve to see how
much in your language dollars but only works on windows 10.



Gene nz



On 10/01/2020 8:26 pm, Brian Crabtree wrote:

I don’t have any recent experience of Abbyy, but I set up Omnipage for
a friend in 2018 and he finds it works well with his flatbed scanner.



I set up two simple workflows using Omnipage itself (I can’t write
scripts) and he runs them using NVDA, rather than using the buttons on the scanner.



What follows are my instructions on using the workflows, in case they
might help someone to choose between Abby and Omnipage. Here they are:



The workflows allow you to choose either to scan a physical document
before doing O C R or to select a document to O C R - for example, a
file that was attached to an email, so is already in electronic form
but is not yet readable by NVDA.



Each set of instructions to Omnipage is called a workflow - the one
you will normally want I have called "Scan to Word”.



The way to run a scan is to start Omnipage from the TaskBar, using
Windows key plus T for Tango, then arrowing to Omnipage and pressing
Enter to start it.



It seems that Omnipage does not remember which workflow you were using
last, so you need to change the workflow each time, as follows:

* Load Omnipage.
* Remove the document it has saved from the previous run, if any, by
pressing alt plus f then n.
* Press No when asked to save it.
* Select the correct workflow using alt plus p then w to open the workflows
list.
* Arrow down to the one for “Scan to Word” and press Enter to select it.
* Start the selected workflow using alt plus p then w then s - if you are
scanning, the scan will start.
* N B if you choose the workflow to O C R a file that you have saved
earlier (e.g. one which was attached to an email) you will be taken to
a File Explorer window, to choose it, with the current directory set
to Downloads, so it’s easiest if you save attachments in the Downloads folder.
* Wait for the workflow to complete - for the scan workflow, click the "stop
loading pages" button.
* NVDA seems not to speak, so alt plus tab out & back to start speech and
you should hear it speak the wording that has been recognised.

If NVDA refuses to speak, you can get Omnipage to voice the result.
After pressing caps lock plus S (twice) to turn NVDA speech off:

* turn on Omnipage's speech mode by pressing F5 or alt plus t then s.
* press ctrl plus end to hear the result spoken.
* you can interrupt or stop Omnipage speech by pressing F.
* after it finishes, turn NVDA speech back on with caps lock plus S.














Re: Purchasing Eloquence

John Isige
 

It shouldn't. If you tab through when you open the Eloquence program,
there are three checkboxes, "force pitch settings", "force speech rate",
and "force volume". If all of them are unchecked, NVDA should be able to
change all of those settings and the changes should stay in place.

On 1/10/2020 19:55, Gene wrote:
Maybe if you set anything in NVDA, it turns the force settings on.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Robert Doc Wright godfearer <mailto:godfearer@comcast.net>
*Sent:* Friday, January 10, 2020 7:21 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

I figured it out. If I set anything in eloquence it over rides the
NVDA settings.

******

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
you!

*From: *Gene <mailto:gsasner@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Friday, January 10, 2020 10:34 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

Check the settings in the actual Eloquence program itself.  I've used
the demo but I didn't work with the settings enough to remember how
you get to this one.  But in the settings for the voices themselves,
there is a force setting.  Make sure it is off.  Force causes the
voices to disregard screen-reader settings and use settings for the
voices themselves.  It is off by default but yours may be on for some
reason.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Robert Doc Wright godfearer <mailto:godfearer@comcast.net>

*Sent:*Friday, January 10, 2020 8:14 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

I just purchased mine and no matter what I do if I press NVDA+ctrl+the
arrow keys the changes do not take affect. If I press NVDA+ctrl+v and
make changes they are not taking affect. Only when I open Sappi5
eloquence. On Code factory’s page I don’t recall seeing a choice
between Sappi5 and NVDA. Only   eloquence for windows.

******

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
you!

*From: *John Isige <mailto:gwynn@tds.net>
*Sent: *Friday, January 10, 2020 1:12 AM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

Uh, no you don't. I can make those changes from the synth settings ring

or the menus just fine. You've been able to do that since I bought it,

and I think I'm up to version 1.6.6 or something. Unless they made a new

version and broke something in the last month or so, you should be able

to change settings without opening Eloquence. I only open mine if I need

to deactivate before a major Windows update, and reactivate afterwards.

On 1/10/2020 0:16, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:

What I am noticing is that with the Sappi voice you lose the ability
to change speed, volume, pitch and rate. You have to open Eloquence to
make those  changes.
******
character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
you!
*From: *coccinelle@tds.net <mailto:coccinelle@tds.net>
*Sent: *Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:27 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence
Is there a difference between the NVDA and the SAPI voices?
Thanks
Blessings
Pascal
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Shaun
Everiss
*Sent:* Thursday, January 9, 2020 4:56 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence
atguys.com has both the nvda and sapi versions.
Their support is good.
On 10/01/2020 10:51 am, Dan Kerstetter wrote:
     Hello all.
     Where is the best place from which to purchase the Eloquence
     speech synthesizer?  I’ve been to the code factory site;
     downloaded eloquence from their app store, but don’t know how to
     register/purchase it.
     Any help, info or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
     Thanks in advance.
     For an hour of good alternative and classic rock tune in to my
     show:  A Little Bit of This and a Little Bit of That  Monday at
     5:00 eastern and Tuesday and Friday 8:00 eastern on out of sight
     radio.
     http://www.out-of-sight.net/radio


Re: OCR

Monte Single
 

Yes,

It is a great program; toobad the k 1000 costs a thousand dollars, but loaded with bells and whistles.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: January-10-20 7:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

Hmph.
I did not know that.
So I guess we can view the knfb reader is the kurzweil home version with just basic scanning and ocr without the other stuff.
Now eventually I plan to get the regular k1000 as I used it at university for various things, including braille conversion, and its a really good program.

On 11/01/2020, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:
Hi Shaun,



The k in knfb comes from Kurzweil.

The earliest versions of Kurzweil scanning software go back to the
seventies.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun Everiss
Sent: January-10-20 4:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR



I have both abbyy and knfb I got knfb on convention week last year or
was it the year before when it was only 20 us it is a good program but
had no idea it works with a scanner.





On 11/01/2020 10:08 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi



The app I use on my windows 10 machine is KNFB reader and is very
accessible with nvda. it works with my flat bed scanner/printer and it
seems if you have a couple of computers with the same account and a
spare scanner it can be installed on the other computer as well.



I think also you can trial it 25 scans with some limitations then it
has to be brought. Not sure what price it is now I did not think it
was that bad may be 90 dollars kiwi on sale? You would ahve to see how
much in your language dollars but only works on windows 10.



Gene nz



On 10/01/2020 8:26 pm, Brian Crabtree wrote:

I don’t have any recent experience of Abbyy, but I set up Omnipage for
a friend in 2018 and he finds it works well with his flatbed scanner.



I set up two simple workflows using Omnipage itself (I can’t write
scripts) and he runs them using NVDA, rather than using the buttons on the scanner.



What follows are my instructions on using the workflows, in case they
might help someone to choose between Abby and Omnipage. Here they are:



The workflows allow you to choose either to scan a physical document
before doing O C R or to select a document to O C R - for example, a
file that was attached to an email, so is already in electronic form
but is not yet readable by NVDA.



Each set of instructions to Omnipage is called a workflow - the one
you will normally want I have called "Scan to Word”.



The way to run a scan is to start Omnipage from the TaskBar, using
Windows key plus T for Tango, then arrowing to Omnipage and pressing
Enter to start it.



It seems that Omnipage does not remember which workflow you were using
last, so you need to change the workflow each time, as follows:

* Load Omnipage.
* Remove the document it has saved from the previous run, if any, by
pressing alt plus f then n.
* Press No when asked to save it.
* Select the correct workflow using alt plus p then w to open the workflows
list.
* Arrow down to the one for “Scan to Word” and press Enter to select it.
* Start the selected workflow using alt plus p then w then s - if you are
scanning, the scan will start.
* N B if you choose the workflow to O C R a file that you have saved
earlier (e.g. one which was attached to an email) you will be taken to
a File Explorer window, to choose it, with the current directory set
to Downloads, so it’s easiest if you save attachments in the Downloads folder.
* Wait for the workflow to complete - for the scan workflow, click the "stop
loading pages" button.
* NVDA seems not to speak, so alt plus tab out & back to start speech and
you should hear it speak the wording that has been recognised.

If NVDA refuses to speak, you can get Omnipage to voice the result.
After pressing caps lock plus S (twice) to turn NVDA speech off:

* turn on Omnipage's speech mode by pressing F5 or alt plus t then s.
* press ctrl plus end to hear the result spoken.
* you can interrupt or stop Omnipage speech by pressing F.
* after it finishes, turn NVDA speech back on with caps lock plus S.











Re: Purchasing Eloquence

Gene
 

Maybe if you set anything in NVDA, it turns the force settings on.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

I figured it out. If I set anything in eloquence it over rides the NVDA settings.

 

******

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!                                                                       

 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

 

Check the settings in the actual Eloquence program itself.  I've used the demo but I didn't work with the settings enough to remember how you get to this one.  But in the settings for the voices themselves, there is a force setting.  Make sure it is off.  Force causes the voices to disregard screen-reader settings and use settings for the voices themselves.  It is off by default but yours may be on for some reason.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 8:14 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

 

I just purchased mine and no matter what I do if I press NVDA+ctrl+the arrow keys the changes do not take affect. If I press NVDA+ctrl+v and make changes they are not taking affect. Only when I open Sappi5 eloquence. On Code factory’s page I don’t recall seeing a choice between Sappi5 and NVDA. Only   eloquence for windows.

 

******

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for you!                                                                       

 

From: John Isige
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 1:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

 

Uh, no you don't. I can make those changes from the synth settings ring

or the menus just fine. You've been able to do that since I bought it,

and I think I'm up to version 1.6.6 or something. Unless they made a new

version and broke something in the last month or so, you should be able

to change settings without opening Eloquence. I only open mine if I need

to deactivate before a major Windows update, and reactivate afterwards.

 

 

On 1/10/2020 0:16, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:

> What I am noticing is that with the Sappi voice you lose the ability

> to change speed, volume, pitch and rate. You have to open Eloquence to

> make those  changes.

> ******

> character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for

> you!

> *From: *coccinelle@... <mailto:coccinelle@...>

> *Sent: *Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:27 PM

> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

> Is there a difference between the NVDA and the SAPI voices?

> Thanks

> Blessings

> Pascal

> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Shaun

> Everiss

> *Sent:* Thursday, January 9, 2020 4:56 PM

> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

> atguys.com has both the nvda and sapi versions.

> Their support is good.

> On 10/01/2020 10:51 am, Dan Kerstetter wrote:

>     Hello all.

>     Where is the best place from which to purchase the Eloquence

>     speech synthesizer?  I’ve been to the code factory site;

>     downloaded eloquence from their app store, but don’t know how to

>     register/purchase it.

>     Any help, info or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>     Thanks in advance.

>     For an hour of good alternative and classic rock tune in to my

>     show:  A Little Bit of This and a Little Bit of That  Monday at

>     5:00 eastern and Tuesday and Friday 8:00 eastern on out of sight

>     radio.

>     http://www.out-of-sight.net/radio

>

 

 

 

 


Re: Purchasing Eloquence

Gene
 

I never had to do any such things unless the force settings were on.  I would suggest looking for those settings.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

Yeah you need to change all the eloquence stuff from its control panel.
This interestingly does not apply to vocaliser, but yeah you need to
change voices to.

On 11/01/2020, Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...> wrote:
> With the Sappi5 version I purchased  from Code Factory, “eloquence for
> Windows”, When I do the standard ways of changing rate or volume nothing
> happens. I wind up having to open eloquence to make the changes.
>
> ******
> character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
> you!
>
>
> From: Gene
> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 9:08 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence
>
> Do you mean you have to open NVDA settings or Eloquence settings?  There are
> both options.  I don't set such settings using the NVDA settings ring but I
> never had problems doing so opening NVDA settings and changing them there.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer
> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 12:16 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence
>
> What I am noticing is that with the Sappi voice you lose the ability to
> change speed, volume, pitch and rate. You have to open Eloquence to make
> those  changes.
>
> ******
> character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
> you!
>
>
> From: coccinelle@...
> Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:27 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence
>
> Is there a difference between the NVDA and the SAPI voices?
> Thanks
> Blessings
> Pascal
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
> Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 4:56 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence
>
> atguys.com has both the nvda and sapi versions.
> Their support is good.
>
>
> On 10/01/2020 10:51 am, Dan Kerstetter wrote:
> Hello all.
>
> Where is the best place from which to purchase the Eloquence speech
> synthesizer?  I’ve been to the code factory site; downloaded eloquence from
> their app store, but don’t know how to register/purchase it.
>
> Any help, info or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> For an hour of good alternative and classic rock tune in to my show:  A
> Little Bit of This and a Little Bit of That  Monday at 5:00 eastern and
> Tuesday and Friday 8:00 eastern on out of sight radio.
>
> http://www.out-of-sight.net/radio
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



Re: OCR

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


If you have a 8mp camera recommended like in a web cam I can take a picture of the document and have it read out. It also if holding or off a clip will tell you if all 4 corners are showing then you take the picture and have it read out. You can also customize it as in voices etc.


At present the knfb reader for windows 10 works with my old scanner nicely and will also on my new one. I will just need to download the knfb reader for that pc in my account.



Gene nz


On 11/01/2020 11:40 am, Shaun Everiss wrote:

I have both abbyy and knfb I got knfb on convention week last year or was it the year before when it was only 20 us it is a good program but had no idea it works with a scanner.



On 11/01/2020 10:08 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi


The app I use on my windows 10 machine is KNFB reader and is very accessible with nvda. it works with my flat bed scanner/printer and it seems if you have a couple of computers with the same account and a spare scanner it can be installed on the other computer as well.


I think also you can trial it 25 scans with some limitations then it has to be brought. Not sure what price it is now I did not think it was that bad may be 90 dollars kiwi on sale? You would ahve to see how much in your language dollars but only works on windows 10.


Gene nz


On 10/01/2020 8:26 pm, Brian Crabtree wrote:
I don’t have any recent experience of Abbyy, but I set up Omnipage for a friend in 2018 and he finds it works well with his flatbed scanner. 

I set up two simple workflows using Omnipage itself (I can’t write scripts) and he runs them using NVDA, rather than using the buttons on the scanner. 

What follows are my instructions on using the workflows, in case they might help someone to choose between Abby and Omnipage. Here they are:

The workflows allow you to choose either to scan a physical document before doing O C R or to select a document to O C R - for example, a file that was attached to an email, so is already in electronic form but is not yet readable by NVDA.

Each set of instructions to Omnipage is called a workflow - the one you will normally want I have called "Scan to Word”. 

The way to run a scan is to start Omnipage from the TaskBar, using Windows key plus T for Tango, then arrowing to Omnipage and pressing Enter to start it.

It seems that Omnipage does not remember which workflow you were using last, so you need to change the workflow each time, as follows:
  • Load Omnipage.
  • Remove the document it has saved from the previous run, if any, by pressing alt plus f then n.
  • Press No when asked to save it.
  • Select the correct workflow using alt plus p then w to open the workflows list.
  • Arrow down to the one for “Scan to Word” and press Enter to select it.
  • Start the selected workflow using alt plus p then w then s - if you are scanning, the scan will start.
  • N B  if you choose the workflow to O C R a file that you have saved earlier (e.g. one which was attached to an email) you will be taken to a File Explorer window, to choose it, with the current directory set to Downloads, so it’s easiest if you save attachments in the Downloads folder.
  • Wait for the workflow to complete - for the scan workflow, click the "stop loading pages" button.
  • NVDA seems not to speak, so alt plus tab out & back to start speech and you should hear it speak the wording that has been recognised.
If NVDA refuses to speak, you can get Omnipage to voice the result. After pressing caps lock plus S (twice) to turn NVDA speech off:
  • turn on Omnipage's speech mode by pressing F5 or alt plus t then s.
  • press ctrl plus end to hear the result spoken.
  • you can interrupt or stop Omnipage speech by pressing F.
  • after it finishes, turn NVDA speech back on with caps lock plus S.



Re: Purchasing Eloquence

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

I just posted moments ago that I just learned that the eloquence settings override the NVDA settings.

 

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From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 6:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

 

Yeah you need to change all the eloquence stuff from its control panel.

This interestingly does not apply to vocaliser, but yeah you need to

change voices to.

 

On 11/01/2020, Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...> wrote:

> With the Sappi5 version I purchased  from Code Factory, “eloquence for

> Windows”, When I do the standard ways of changing rate or volume nothing

> happens. I wind up having to open eloquence to make the changes.

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> you!

> From: Gene

> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 9:08 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

> Do you mean you have to open NVDA settings or Eloquence settings?  There are

> both options.  I don't set such settings using the NVDA settings ring but I

> never had problems doing so opening NVDA settings and changing them there.

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer

> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 12:16 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

> What I am noticing is that with the Sappi voice you lose the ability to

> change speed, volume, pitch and rate. You have to open Eloquence to make

> those  changes.

> ******

> character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for

> you!

> From: coccinelle@...

> Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:27 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

> Is there a difference between the NVDA and the SAPI voices?

> Thanks

> Blessings

> Pascal

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss

> Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 4:56 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

> atguys.com has both the nvda and sapi versions.

> Their support is good.

> On 10/01/2020 10:51 am, Dan Kerstetter wrote:

> Hello all.

> Where is the best place from which to purchase the Eloquence speech

> synthesizer?  I’ve been to the code factory site; downloaded eloquence from

> their app store, but don’t know how to register/purchase it.

> Any help, info or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

> Thanks in advance.

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