Hi Jim,
Did you restart Thunderbird after updating it? That should be fixed then itself. Here it works everything with NVDA 2019.3 beta 1 and Thunderbird 68.4.1.
And did you switch to classic view?
René

Hmmm what is text cloner like and is it more accessible than abbyy.

I like abbyy for what it is and use it a bunch, however, half price for upgrades is still high.

My version will run on win10 nicer than my old 14 does, and I have emailed them about a few issues but future things are always nice.

For reference, the Text Cloner product page is available from the above link.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 1/10/2020 2:18 PM, Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io wrote:

Good afternoon,

I know two blind people that use tect cloner pro and it is about $139.00 I believe.

It is from premier literacy.

It works very well and is completely accessible.

Let me know if you need any more info.

Rich

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 10:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

 

How old is your OCR program and how well does it work currently?  I haven't followed this for many years but for a good while, I found that upgrades may have improved marginal scanning situations but that much of the time, for most scanning under good conditions, the upgrades made little or no difference. 

 

Or are you upgrading because what you were using doesn't run in Windows 10, which is unlikely?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss

Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2020 6:06 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] ocr solutions

 

Hi.

Just wandering what ocr solutions people use.

I use abbyy fine reader and its mostly ok but access wize I have
wandered at it of late.

the latest version will cost me 190 instead of the 300 or so dollars for
a new version and I could easily upgrade it.

Right now omnipage standard costs me 192 nz right now, then again, what
do people use.

I want something that is accessible which will do ocr and scanning,
images, pdfs, paper documents.


Is it worth the upgrade of fine reader or should I switch to omnipage or
what.

That is going to suck. I have an older copy that came with my windows 7 box. I haven’t installed it here.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Hmmm that really sucks.

This means k1000 will eventually become incompatible with windows 10.

I was really looking to buy into that software package at some point.

On 12/01/2020 2:57 pm, g melconian wrote:

> Your correct. Development stopped as the developer for Kurzweil 1000 retired and there has not been any  new development on that  front. I Think that Kurzweil has gone down hill from   that time frame.

> 

> 

> 

>

> 

For reference, the Text Cloner product page is available from the above link.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 1/10/2020 2:18 PM, Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io wrote:

Good afternoon,

I know two blind people that use tect cloner pro and it is about $139.00 I believe.

It is from premier literacy.

It works very well and is completely accessible.

Let me know if you need any more info.

Rich

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 10:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

 

How old is your OCR program and how well does it work currently?  I haven't followed this for many years but for a good while, I found that upgrades may have improved marginal scanning situations but that much of the time, for most scanning under good conditions, the upgrades made little or no difference. 

 

Or are you upgrading because what you were using doesn't run in Windows 10, which is unlikely?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss

Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2020 6:06 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] ocr solutions

 

Hi.

Just wandering what ocr solutions people use.

I use abbyy fine reader and its mostly ok but access wize I have
wandered at it of late.

the latest version will cost me 190 instead of the 300 or so dollars for
a new version and I could easily upgrade it.

Right now omnipage standard costs me 192 nz right now, then again, what
do people use.

I want something that is accessible which will do ocr and scanning,
images, pdfs, paper documents.


Is it worth the upgrade of fine reader or should I switch to omnipage or
what.

Good afternoon,

I know two blind people that use tect cloner pro and it is about $139.00 I believe.

It is from premier literacy.

It works very well and is completely accessible.

Let me know if you need any more info.

Rich

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 10:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

 

How old is your OCR program and how well does it work currently?  I haven't followed this for many years but for a good while, I found that upgrades may have improved marginal scanning situations but that much of the time, for most scanning under good conditions, the upgrades made little or no difference. 

 

Or are you upgrading because what you were using doesn't run in Windows 10, which is unlikely?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss

Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2020 6:06 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] ocr solutions

 

Hi.

Just wandering what ocr solutions people use.

I use abbyy fine reader and its mostly ok but access wize I have
wandered at it of late.

the latest version will cost me 190 instead of the 300 or so dollars for
a new version and I could easily upgrade it.

Right now omnipage standard costs me 192 nz right now, then again, what
do people use.

I want something that is accessible which will do ocr and scanning,
images, pdfs, paper documents.


Is it worth the upgrade of fine reader or should I switch to omnipage or
what.

Hmmm that really sucks.

This means k1000 will eventually become incompatible with windows 10.

I was really looking to buy into that software package at some point.

On 12/01/2020 2:57 pm, g melconian wrote:

> Your correct. Development stopped as the developer for Kurzweil 1000 retired and there has not been any  new development on that  front. I Think that Kurzweil has gone down hill from   that time frame.

> 

> 

> 

>

> 

Your correct. Development stopped as the developer for Kurzweil 1000 retired and there has not been any new development on that front. I Think that Kurzweil has gone down hill from that time frame.

My recollection, from when I tried the demo, is that if you open the
voice settings, control NVDA v, you can up and down arrow in the voice
selection list and see the various Eloquence voices.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* John Isige <mailto:gwynn@tds.net>
*Sent:* Saturday, January 11, 2020 9:42 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

The one thing NVDA can't change, as far as I know, is the "voice
profile" in the advanced section of the Eloquence program. It's where
you pick voices like Reed, Gramma, and so on. I've never seen a reason
to change from the default myself, but it's there if anybody wants it,
and so far as I know,, you can only do that from the Eloquence program
itself.


On 1/11/2020 4:14 AM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:

That is what I discovered. When they were checked NVDA could not
change anything.

******

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for
you!

*From: *John Isige <mailto:gwynn@tds.net>
*Sent: *Friday, January 10, 2020 10:01 PM
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:*nvda@nvda.groups.io>

<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

It shouldn't. If you tab through when you open the Eloquence program,

there are three checkboxes, "force pitch settings", "force speech rate",

and "force volume". If all of them are unchecked, NVDA should be able to

change all of those settings and the changes should stay in place.

On 1/10/2020 19:55, Gene wrote:

Maybe if you set anything in NVDA, it turns the force settings on.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:* Robert Doc Wright godfearer <mailto:godfearer@comcast.net>

*Sent:* Friday, January 10, 2020 7:21 PM

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

I figured it out. If I set anything in eloquence it over rides the

NVDA settings.

******

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for

you!

*From: *Gene <mailto:gsasner@gmail.com>

*Sent: *Friday, January 10, 2020 10:34 AM

*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:*nvda@nvda.groups.io>

<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

Check the settings in the actual Eloquence program itself.  I've used

the demo but I didn't work with the settings enough to remember how

you get to this one.  But in the settings for the voices themselves,

there is a force setting.  Make sure it is off.  Force causes the

voices to disregard screen-reader settings and use settings for the

voices themselves.  It is off by default but yours may be on for some

reason.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Robert Doc Wright godfearer <mailto:godfearer@comcast.net>

*Sent:*Friday, January 10, 2020 8:14 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

I just purchased mine and no matter what I do if I press NVDA+ctrl+the

arrow keys the changes do not take affect. If I press NVDA+ctrl+v and

make changes they are not taking affect. Only when I open Sappi5

eloquence. On Code factory’s page I don’t recall seeing a choice

between Sappi5 and NVDA. Only   eloquence for windows.

******

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do anything for

you!

*From: *John Isige <mailto:gwynn@tds.net>

*Sent: *Friday, January 10, 2020 1:12 AM

*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:*nvda@nvda.groups.io>

<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

Uh, no you don't. I can make those changes from the synth settings

ring

or the menus just fine. You've been able to do that since I bought it,

and I think I'm up to version 1.6.6 or something. Unless they made

a new

version and broke something in the last month or so, you should be

able

to change settings without opening Eloquence. I only open mine if

I need

to deactivate before a major Windows update, and reactivate

afterwards.

On 1/10/2020 0:16, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:

What I am noticing is that with the Sappi voice you lose the ability

to change speed, volume, pitch and rate. You have to open

Eloquence to

make those  changes.

******

character is found in how you treat people who cannot do

anything for

you!

*From: *coccinelle@tds.net <mailto:*coccinelle@tds.net>

<mailto:coccinelle@tds.net>

*Sent: *Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:27 PM

*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:*nvda@nvda.groups.io>

<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

Is there a difference between the NVDA and the SAPI voices?

Thanks

Blessings

Pascal

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Shaun

Everiss

*Sent:* Thursday, January 9, 2020 4:56 PM

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Purchasing Eloquence

atguys.com has both the nvda and sapi versions.

Their support is good.

On 10/01/2020 10:51 am, Dan Kerstetter wrote:

     Hello all.

     Where is the best place from which to purchase the Eloquence

     speech synthesizer?  I’ve been to the code factory site;

     downloaded eloquence from their app store, but don’t know how to

     register/purchase it.

     Any help, info or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

     Thanks in advance.

     For an hour of good alternative and classic rock tune in to my

     show:  A Little Bit of This and a Little Bit of That  Monday at

     5:00 eastern and Tuesday and Friday 8:00 eastern on out of sight

     radio.

http://www.out-of-sight.net/radio

Joseph, although most add-ons are included in the official repository of add-ons community, you know very well that many of them are not ...
Some because they never were submitted, and some because no one wanted to approve them, in spite of do not have security problems and they are heavily used by some communities…

Let’s have hope that in the future all submitted add-ons without security problems and making what they announce can be included in the NVDA repository…

Rui Fontes

Hi,

Sort of exists – all that is needed to be done is authors requesting addition of their add-ons to community add-ons website. At the moment there is a discussion about how to improve add-ons submission and discovery.

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 8:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] some keyboard commands

On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 11:30 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:

There are others, like NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin and FakeClipboardAnouncement, both working in my NVDA Alpha with Python 3…

I have little doubt.

I have wished that there was a true, central repository for NVDA add-ons since I started working with NVDA, but I doubt it's ever going to happen.  I've been around when myriad different user-created add-ons with very specific functions have been brought up, but if you don't know about them they're virtually impossible to find.

It would be nice to have an add-on repository that included fully vetted add-ons, both for current and prior versions of NVDA, under development add-ons, and the "free for all" area of community created add-ons that are completely at your own risk as far as using them.  The only reason anything would be taken out of that last category is if something were determined to be malicious.

I doubt that such a repository will ever come into existence, though.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 8:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] some keyboard commands

On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 11:30 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:

There are others, like NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin and FakeClipboardAnouncement, both working in my NVDA Alpha with Python 3…

I have little doubt.

I have wished that there was a true, central repository for NVDA add-ons since I started working with NVDA, but I doubt it's ever going to happen.  I've been around when myriad different user-created add-ons with very specific functions have been brought up, but if you don't know about them they're virtually impossible to find.

It would be nice to have an add-on repository that included fully vetted add-ons, both for current and prior versions of NVDA, under development add-ons, and the "free for all" area of community created add-ons that are completely at your own risk as far as using them.  The only reason anything would be taken out of that last category is if something were determined to be malicious.

I doubt that such a repository will ever come into existence, though.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

There are others, like NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin and FakeClipboardAnouncement, both working in my NVDA Alpha with Python 3…

Rui

De: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Em Nome De Brian Vogel
Enviada: sábado, 11 de janeiro de 2020 16:16
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] some keyboard commands

I knew I'd seen something that made these commands, and some others, be announced, and a quick web search on "NVDA announce cut copy paste commands" led me directly to:

Clipspeak - addons.nvda-project.org

I need to remember to follow my own advice and do a simple web search for this sort of thing.  If you give enough specific search terms you get almost straight to the solution.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

K1000 no longer can use omnipage. Lost the license. and the latest is V14, which itself is several years old, and is at revision 14, that is k1000 version 14.14 is, as far as I am aware, the latest, and it has not been updated in quite a while, but still works with windows 10.


On 1/11/2020 11:49 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

It is interesting to note that when I looked at the latest v13, while it used the abbyy and omnipage engines it may or may not use the latest engines as a release note said it used version9 of the abbyy engine and we are using software past version9 of the program, but maybe the engine is different.



On 12/01/2020 12:01 am, André wrote:

I am actually a little bit surprised. I used Kurzweil Educational
Systems 1000 with a scanner when I was in school 15 years ago. But at
the time, this ocr did a lot of mistakes, meaning that even quite common
characters  in plain text where often recognized falsely. In contrast to
that, Abby   FineReader has trouble only with special mathematical
symbols, or if the resolution of the image is very poor. Otherwise, I
have not yet encountered mistakes  with its OCR / I use version 14. But
maybe the Kurzweil OCR engine improved over the last years?



On 11/01/2020 07:35, Shaun Everiss wrote:

While in university, I tried the demo and liked it.

I couldn't afford the software so just cracked it with some serials
some guy gave me from somewhere.

I used it for the next 5 years.

My eventual plan then was to buy the software but when I upgraded to
the next windows version, that was one of the things I had to give up.

If I ever get a actual well paying contract or something or win loto
or something which gets me a load of cash though I'm going to buy it.

I found the program a seemless experience using both abbyy and
omnipage engines with braille translation and pdf viewing second to
none and it would always be the prefured scanner of choice.

I use abbyy fine reader and while that and knfb does work well enough,
I would prefur it as it saved my rear many times.



On 11/01/2020 5:57 pm, Monte Single wrote:

Yes,

It is a great program;  toobad the k 1000 costs a thousand dollars,
but loaded with bells and whistles.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun Everiss
Sent: January-10-20 7:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

Hmph.
I did not know that.
So I guess we can view the knfb reader is the kurzweil home version
with just basic scanning and ocr without the other stuff.
Now eventually I plan to get the regular k1000 as I used it at
university for various things, including braille conversion, and its
a really good program.

On 11/01/2020, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:

Hi Shaun,



The k in knfb  comes from Kurzweil.

The earliest versions of Kurzweil scanning software go back to the
seventies.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun Everiss
Sent: January-10-20 4:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR



I have both abbyy and knfb I got knfb on convention week last year or
was it the year before when it was only 20 us it is a good program but
had no idea it works with a scanner.





On 11/01/2020 10:08 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi



The app I use on my windows 10 machine is KNFB reader and is very
accessible with nvda. it works with my flat bed scanner/printer and it
seems if you have a couple of computers with the same account and a
spare scanner it can be installed on the other computer as well.



I think also you can trial it 25 scans with some limitations then it
has to be brought. Not sure what price it is now I did not think it
was that bad may be 90 dollars kiwi on sale? You would ahve to see how
much in your language dollars but only works on windows 10.



Gene nz



On 10/01/2020 8:26 pm, Brian Crabtree wrote:

I don’t have any recent experience of Abbyy, but I set up Omnipage for
a friend in 2018 and he finds it works well with his flatbed scanner.



I set up two simple workflows using Omnipage itself (I can’t write
scripts) and he runs them using NVDA, rather than using the buttons
on the scanner.



What follows are my instructions on using the workflows, in case they
might help someone to choose between Abby and Omnipage. Here they are:



The workflows allow you to choose either to scan a physical document
before doing O C R or to select a document to O C R - for example, a
file that was attached to an email, so is already in electronic form
but is not yet readable by NVDA.



Each set of instructions to Omnipage is called a workflow - the one
you will normally want I have called "Scan to Word”.



The way to run a scan is to start Omnipage from the TaskBar, using
Windows key plus T for Tango, then arrowing to Omnipage and pressing
Enter to start it.



It seems that Omnipage does not remember which workflow you were using
last, so you need to change the workflow each time, as follows:

*    Load Omnipage.
*    Remove the document it has saved from the previous run, if any, by
pressing alt plus f then n.
*    Press No when asked to save it.
*    Select the correct workflow using alt plus p then w to open the
workflows
list.
*    Arrow down to the one for “Scan to Word” and press Enter to
select it.
*    Start the selected workflow using alt plus p then w then s - if
you are
scanning, the scan will start.
*    N B  if you choose the workflow to O C R a file that you have
saved
earlier (e.g. one which was attached to an email) you will be taken to
a File Explorer window, to choose it, with the current directory set
to Downloads, so it’s easiest if you save attachments in the
Downloads folder.
*    Wait for the workflow to complete - for the scan workflow,
click the "stop
loading pages" button.
*    NVDA seems not to speak, so alt plus tab out & back to start
speech and
you should hear it speak the wording that has been recognised.

If NVDA refuses to speak, you can get Omnipage to voice the result.
After pressing caps lock plus S (twice) to turn NVDA speech off:

*    turn on Omnipage's speech mode by pressing F5 or alt plus t
then s.
*    press ctrl plus end to hear the result spoken.
*    you can interrupt or stop Omnipage speech by pressing F.
*    after it finishes, turn NVDA speech back on with caps lock plus S.

--
Martin Wiemer

Grabensprung 185
12683 Berlin
Germany

Tel.: +49 178 715 66 76




.

It is interesting to note that when I looked at the latest v13, while it used the abbyy and omnipage engines it may or may not use the latest engines as a release note said it used version9 of the abbyy engine and we are using software past version9 of the program, but maybe the engine is different.



On 12/01/2020 12:01 am, André wrote:

I am actually a little bit surprised. I used Kurzweil Educational
Systems 1000 with a scanner when I was in school 15 years ago. But at
the time, this ocr did a lot of mistakes, meaning that even quite common
characters  in plain text where often recognized falsely. In contrast to
that, Abby   FineReader has trouble only with special mathematical
symbols, or if the resolution of the image is very poor. Otherwise, I
have not yet encountered mistakes  with its OCR / I use version 14. But
maybe the Kurzweil OCR engine improved over the last years?



On 11/01/2020 07:35, Shaun Everiss wrote:

While in university, I tried the demo and liked it.

I couldn't afford the software so just cracked it with some serials
some guy gave me from somewhere.

I used it for the next 5 years.

My eventual plan then was to buy the software but when I upgraded to
the next windows version, that was one of the things I had to give up.

If I ever get a actual well paying contract or something or win loto
or something which gets me a load of cash though I'm going to buy it.

I found the program a seemless experience using both abbyy and
omnipage engines with braille translation and pdf viewing second to
none and it would always be the prefured scanner of choice.

I use abbyy fine reader and while that and knfb does work well enough,
I would prefur it as it saved my rear many times.



On 11/01/2020 5:57 pm, Monte Single wrote:

Yes,

It is a great program;  toobad the k 1000 costs a thousand dollars,
but loaded with bells and whistles.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun Everiss
Sent: January-10-20 7:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

Hmph.
I did not know that.
So I guess we can view the knfb reader is the kurzweil home version
with just basic scanning and ocr without the other stuff.
Now eventually I plan to get the regular k1000 as I used it at
university for various things, including braille conversion, and its
a really good program.

On 11/01/2020, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:

Hi Shaun,



The k in knfb  comes from Kurzweil.

The earliest versions of Kurzweil scanning software go back to the
seventies.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun Everiss
Sent: January-10-20 4:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR



I have both abbyy and knfb I got knfb on convention week last year or
was it the year before when it was only 20 us it is a good program but
had no idea it works with a scanner.





On 11/01/2020 10:08 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi



The app I use on my windows 10 machine is KNFB reader and is very
accessible with nvda. it works with my flat bed scanner/printer and it
seems if you have a couple of computers with the same account and a
spare scanner it can be installed on the other computer as well.



I think also you can trial it 25 scans with some limitations then it
has to be brought. Not sure what price it is now I did not think it
was that bad may be 90 dollars kiwi on sale? You would ahve to see how
much in your language dollars but only works on windows 10.



Gene nz



On 10/01/2020 8:26 pm, Brian Crabtree wrote:

I don’t have any recent experience of Abbyy, but I set up Omnipage for
a friend in 2018 and he finds it works well with his flatbed scanner.



I set up two simple workflows using Omnipage itself (I can’t write
scripts) and he runs them using NVDA, rather than using the buttons
on the scanner.



What follows are my instructions on using the workflows, in case they
might help someone to choose between Abby and Omnipage. Here they are:



The workflows allow you to choose either to scan a physical document
before doing O C R or to select a document to O C R - for example, a
file that was attached to an email, so is already in electronic form
but is not yet readable by NVDA.



Each set of instructions to Omnipage is called a workflow - the one
you will normally want I have called "Scan to Word”.



The way to run a scan is to start Omnipage from the TaskBar, using
Windows key plus T for Tango, then arrowing to Omnipage and pressing
Enter to start it.



It seems that Omnipage does not remember which workflow you were using
last, so you need to change the workflow each time, as follows:

*    Load Omnipage.
*    Remove the document it has saved from the previous run, if any, by
pressing alt plus f then n.
*    Press No when asked to save it.
*    Select the correct workflow using alt plus p then w to open the
workflows
list.
*    Arrow down to the one for “Scan to Word” and press Enter to
select it.
*    Start the selected workflow using alt plus p then w then s - if
you are
scanning, the scan will start.
*    N B  if you choose the workflow to O C R a file that you have
saved
earlier (e.g. one which was attached to an email) you will be taken to
a File Explorer window, to choose it, with the current directory set
to Downloads, so it’s easiest if you save attachments in the
Downloads folder.
*    Wait for the workflow to complete - for the scan workflow,
click the "stop
loading pages" button.
*    NVDA seems not to speak, so alt plus tab out & back to start
speech and
you should hear it speak the wording that has been recognised.

If NVDA refuses to speak, you can get Omnipage to voice the result.
After pressing caps lock plus S (twice) to turn NVDA speech off:

*    turn on Omnipage's speech mode by pressing F5 or alt plus t
then s.
*    press ctrl plus end to hear the result spoken.
*    you can interrupt or stop Omnipage speech by pressing F.
*    after it finishes, turn NVDA speech back on with caps lock plus S.

--
Martin Wiemer

Grabensprung 185
12683 Berlin
Germany

Tel.: +49 178 715 66 76




.

Hi,

Have been using the HP I.R.I.S. OCR which came with my HP Jet Pro printer 8710 wireless a printer/scanner combo purchased 3 years ago for $99.  It works well and is accessible with NVDA.  It saves in PDF image, RTF and TXT. The printer has a document feeder that accommodate 50 pages.

Blessings

Pascal

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 9:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

 

I have been using scanners since the last millennium.

I have used Canon, hp and Epson brands.

From my experience, the only reason the scanner would yield poor results is if the platen is dirty or the quality of the  text is poor.

It is the ocr software and the software setting that determine the results.

Just because the hardware specs of the scanner   are higher has nothing to do with the ocr results.

Most ocr software is set  to 300 dots per inch when scanning text.

This is about the lowest resolution a typical scanner is set to.

I may be be mistaken in some respect,  but this has been my experience.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: January-11-20 6:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

 

Perhaps the difficulty often encountered with optical character recognition software might be the sort of scanner employed.  I upgraded my computer, recently.  Which involved purchasing a new scanner.  I changed brands of scanner.  I found my new scanner made quite a difference in the ability to recognize character recognition.  Of course, I use the “Open Book” program.    

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 1:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

 

While in university, I tried the demo and liked it.

 

I couldn't afford the software so just cracked it with some serials some

guy gave me from somewhere.

 

I used it for the next 5 years.

 

My eventual plan then was to buy the software but when I upgraded to the

next windows version, that was one of the things I had to give up.

 

If I ever get a actual well paying contract or something or win loto or

something which gets me a load of cash though I'm going to buy it.

 

I found the program a seemless experience using both abbyy and omnipage

engines with braille translation and pdf viewing second to none and it

would always be the prefured scanner of choice.

 

I use abbyy fine reader and while that and knfb does work well enough, I

would prefur it as it saved my rear many times.

 

 

 

On 11/01/2020 5:57 pm, Monte Single wrote:

> Yes,

> 

> It is a great program;  toobad the k 1000 costs a thousand dollars, but loaded with bells and whistles.

> 

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss

> Sent: January-10-20 7:22 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

> 

> Hmph.

> I did not know that.

> So I guess we can view the knfb reader is the kurzweil home version with just basic scanning and ocr without the other stuff.

> Now eventually I plan to get the regular k1000 as I used it at university for various things, including braille conversion, and its a really good program.

> 

> On 11/01/2020, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:

>> Hi Shaun,

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> The k in knfb  comes from Kurzweil.

>> 

>> The earliest versions of Kurzweil scanning software go back to the

>> seventies.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Shaun Everiss

>> Sent: January-10-20 4:41 PM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I have both abbyy and knfb I got knfb on convention week last year or

>> was it the year before when it was only 20 us it is a good program but

>> had no idea it works with a scanner.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> On 11/01/2020 10:08 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

>> 

>> Hi

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> The app I use on my windows 10 machine is KNFB reader and is very

>> accessible with nvda. it works with my flat bed scanner/printer and it

>> seems if you have a couple of computers with the same account and a

>> spare scanner it can be installed on the other computer as well.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I think also you can trial it 25 scans with some limitations then it

>> has to be brought. Not sure what price it is now I did not think it

>> was that bad may be 90 dollars kiwi on sale? You would ahve to see how

>> much in your language dollars but only works on windows 10.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Gene nz

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> On 10/01/2020 8:26 pm, Brian Crabtree wrote:

>> 

>> I don’t have any recent experience of Abbyy, but I set up Omnipage for

>> a friend in 2018 and he finds it works well with his flatbed scanner.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I set up two simple workflows using Omnipage itself (I can’t write

>> scripts) and he runs them using NVDA, rather than using the buttons on the scanner.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> What follows are my instructions on using the workflows, in case they

>> might help someone to choose between Abby and Omnipage. Here they are:

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> The workflows allow you to choose either to scan a physical document

>> before doing O C R or to select a document to O C R - for example, a

>> file that was attached to an email, so is already in electronic form

>> but is not yet readable by NVDA.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Each set of instructions to Omnipage is called a workflow - the one

>> you will normally want I have called "Scan to Word”.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> The way to run a scan is to start Omnipage from the TaskBar, using

>> Windows key plus T for Tango, then arrowing to Omnipage and pressing

>> Enter to start it.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> It seems that Omnipage does not remember which workflow you were using

>> last, so you need to change the workflow each time, as follows:

>> 

>> *       Load Omnipage.

>> *       Remove the document it has saved from the previous run, if any, by

>> pressing alt plus f then n.

>> *       Press No when asked to save it.

>> *       Select the correct workflow using alt plus p then w to open the workflows

>> list.

>> *       Arrow down to the one for “Scan to Word” and press Enter to select it.

>> *       Start the selected workflow using alt plus p then w then s - if you are

>> scanning, the scan will start.

>> *       N B  if you choose the workflow to O C R a file that you have saved

>> earlier (e.g. one which was attached to an email) you will be taken to

>> a File Explorer window, to choose it, with the current directory set

>> to Downloads, so it’s easiest if you save attachments in the Downloads folder.

>> *       Wait for the workflow to complete - for the scan workflow, click the "stop

>> loading pages" button.

>> *       NVDA seems not to speak, so alt plus tab out & back to start speech and

>> you should hear it speak the wording that has been recognised.

>> 

>> If NVDA refuses to speak, you can get Omnipage to voice the result.

>> After pressing caps lock plus S (twice) to turn NVDA speech off:

>> 

>> *       turn on Omnipage's speech mode by pressing F5 or alt plus t then s.

>> *       press ctrl plus end to hear the result spoken.

>> *       you can interrupt or stop Omnipage speech by pressing F.

>> *       after it finishes, turn NVDA speech back on with caps lock plus S.

>> 

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