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Re: looking for resources
hurrikennyandopo ...
Hi Ken
Not that I know of. There used to be a pod cast back in the old days with jamie and Mick but that stopped long ago before the time of smart speakers.
There is a in process blog that comes out every 2 weeks but that is more via email
There are resources out there to learn NVDA both free and paid. Mine been free both written and audio but not a podcast at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
But nothing I am aware of for the echo or google smart speaker.
Maybe a question for Quentin to see if it can be done or how hard to do it.
I do not think they will go down that line but never know.
My self I would not even know how to sub mit any audio tutorials as pod casts to be done trhough the speakers any how.
Gene nz
On 13/01/2020 1:26 pm, ken lawrence via
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Re: ocr solutions
Arlene
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From: Monte Single
Sent: January 12, 2020 3:35 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions
That's strange that it would be in 7 and not ten. And no, win 7 is not being discontinued, it is not being fully supported.
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell Sent: January-12-20 3:32 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions
There is but it only runs on windows 7 which is going to be discontinued in 48 hours (two days). OCR in NVDA is built in on windows 10. If you try to do insert R desktop or caps lock R laptop and your laptop or desktop runs windows 7 it will say, Windows 10 OCR not available.
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Monte Single Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 12:43 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions
Isn't there an ocr addon for nvda?
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss Sent: January-12-20 2:26 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions
Hmph, another reason to maybe not use jaws, to be honest, if nvda could have some scanner addon which could use finereader engine and others I'd probably buy it, I mean I'd like a standalone program to but still.
It seems the best way forward is mainstream software then.
I'd like to know if those that use omnipage especially the later versions and the ultimate version especially find it better than abbyy or whatever.
I have a user staying on abyy 12 because its accessible, however, it means I am using older software which will probably go out of date.
There was a time 3 or so years back when the network relied on dragon naturally speaking and an offer/add came up from nuance about omnipage and a rediculous offer on ultimate but I never took that.
On 13/01/2020 9:05 am, Sky Mundell wrote: > No they aren't they said they're now putting the OCR functions in JAWS. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of > Don H > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 11:48 AM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions > > Open book hasn't been updated for years and I don't think that FS is > planning on updating it any time soon. > > > > > > >
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looking for resources
ken lawrence
Hi list ken here. I’m in our technology division of national federation of the blind of NJ and I’m pretty sure we have some NVDA users. Of course can point them to this list but are there any podcasts available that members could listen to on an echo to get the latest on what’s happening with NVDA? I’ve been a user since 2009 or 2010 and have really seen NVDA grow, and with the pending release of 2019.3 I bet I can get lots of converts. I did promote the NVDA weekend event several years ago in meetings.
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Re: ocr solutions
Monte Single
That's strange that it would be in 7 and not ten.
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And no, win 7 is not being discontinued, it is not being fully supported.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell Sent: January-12-20 3:32 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions There is but it only runs on windows 7 which is going to be discontinued in 48 hours (two days). OCR in NVDA is built in on windows 10. If you try to do insert R desktop or caps lock R laptop and your laptop or desktop runs windows 7 it will say, Windows 10 OCR not available. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Monte Single Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 12:43 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions Isn't there an ocr addon for nvda? -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss Sent: January-12-20 2:26 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions Hmph, another reason to maybe not use jaws, to be honest, if nvda could have some scanner addon which could use finereader engine and others I'd probably buy it, I mean I'd like a standalone program to but still. It seems the best way forward is mainstream software then. I'd like to know if those that use omnipage especially the later versions and the ultimate version especially find it better than abbyy or whatever. I have a user staying on abyy 12 because its accessible, however, it means I am using older software which will probably go out of date. There was a time 3 or so years back when the network relied on dragon naturally speaking and an offer/add came up from nuance about omnipage and a rediculous offer on ultimate but I never took that. On 13/01/2020 9:05 am, Sky Mundell wrote: No they aren't they said they're now putting the OCR functions in JAWS.
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Hmmm can we use windows ocr outside nvda, and do any other windows programs use the windows ocr?
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On 13/01/2020 10:32 am, Sky Mundell wrote:
There is but it only runs on windows 7 which is going to be discontinued in 48 hours (two days). OCR in NVDA is built in on windows 10. If you try to do insert R desktop or caps lock R laptop and your laptop or desktop runs windows 7 it will say, Windows 10 OCR not available.
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Re: ocr solutions
Sky Mundell
There is but it only runs on windows 7 which is going to be discontinued in 48 hours (two days). OCR in NVDA is built in on windows 10. If you try to do insert R desktop or caps lock R laptop and your laptop or desktop runs windows 7 it will say, Windows 10 OCR not available.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Monte Single Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 12:43 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions Isn't there an ocr addon for nvda? -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss Sent: January-12-20 2:26 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions Hmph, another reason to maybe not use jaws, to be honest, if nvda could have some scanner addon which could use finereader engine and others I'd probably buy it, I mean I'd like a standalone program to but still. It seems the best way forward is mainstream software then. I'd like to know if those that use omnipage especially the later versions and the ultimate version especially find it better than abbyy or whatever. I have a user staying on abyy 12 because its accessible, however, it means I am using older software which will probably go out of date. There was a time 3 or so years back when the network relied on dragon naturally speaking and an offer/add came up from nuance about omnipage and a rediculous offer on ultimate but I never took that. On 13/01/2020 9:05 am, Sky Mundell wrote: No they aren't they said they're now putting the OCR functions in JAWS.
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Re: ocr solutions
Monte Single
Isn't there an ocr addon for nvda?
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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss Sent: January-12-20 2:26 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions Hmph, another reason to maybe not use jaws, to be honest, if nvda could have some scanner addon which could use finereader engine and others I'd probably buy it, I mean I'd like a standalone program to but still. It seems the best way forward is mainstream software then. I'd like to know if those that use omnipage especially the later versions and the ultimate version especially find it better than abbyy or whatever. I have a user staying on abyy 12 because its accessible, however, it means I am using older software which will probably go out of date. There was a time 3 or so years back when the network relied on dragon naturally speaking and an offer/add came up from nuance about omnipage and a rediculous offer on ultimate but I never took that. On 13/01/2020 9:05 am, Sky Mundell wrote: No they aren't they said they're now putting the OCR functions in JAWS.
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Hmph, another reason to maybe not use jaws, to be honest, if nvda could have some scanner addon which could use finereader engine and others I'd probably buy it, I mean I'd like a standalone program to but still.
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It seems the best way forward is mainstream software then. I'd like to know if those that use omnipage especially the later versions and the ultimate version especially find it better than abbyy or whatever. I have a user staying on abyy 12 because its accessible, however, it means I am using older software which will probably go out of date. There was a time 3 or so years back when the network relied on dragon naturally speaking and an offer/add came up from nuance about omnipage and a rediculous offer on ultimate but I never took that.
On 13/01/2020 9:05 am, Sky Mundell wrote:
No they aren't they said they're now putting the OCR functions in JAWS.
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Re: ocr solutions
Hmph.
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Well thats sort of decided it for me then. I have been buying and going with abbyy for ages, I will probably stay where I am then. Eventually this stuff will just not work and while I really like k1000 and may still eventually buy it, if I am going to buy something expensive, I'd much buy as much mainstream software with specialised addons or something rather than spending a lot of cash on stuff that no one knows or worse can't help me with that I have to doodle with. Eventually I'd like one of those docuscans or eyepal devices but thats for later. I can't have em all, and my next purchice is a dish smart tv module for my crappy non smart tv which will cost less than a new, bigger tv which will not fit in my room.
On 13/01/2020 8:47 am, Don H wrote:
Open book hasn't been updated for years and I don't think that FS is planning on updating it any time soon.
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Re: NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?
Oriana
For various reasons, the subtitles for many English and foreign films are available at https://www.opensubtitles.org . Keep in mind that the subtitle standard is to record the speaker name for every line, but many publicly contributed subtitles simply don't. Timing can also be extremely frustrating.
On Sun, Jan 12, 2020, 3:03 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
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Re: ocr solutions
Sky Mundell
No they aren't they said they're now putting the OCR functions in JAWS.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 11:48 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions Open book hasn't been updated for years and I don't think that FS is planning on updating it any time soon.
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Re: NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?
Gene
I suppose you could turn off the sound of the film
and just read the subtitles. But if you are going to do that, you might do
much better, in terms of accessibility, to see if the script of the movie is
available. There are some sites that are completely useless such as
Scriptorama, (spelling) because the person goes through all the trouble of
transcribing script after script, and doesn't include any information such as
who is speaking and the setting. There are other sites that have full
scripts, but you will get earlier drafts on some sites, not the final scripts
and there may be important differences. So be careful what the site tells
you about the script.
Actually, as I think about it, it might be
cumbersome, but using a script from Scriptorama, maybe you could use it to find
passages that are unintelligible in the film and read them while stopping the
film, then returning to the film.
Gene
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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in
movies? I get what you're saying, but just imagine what it would be like to have the dialog, the background noise that's part of the scene, and synthesized subtitles all being churned out at the same time. I understand what you're trying to solve, but I don't think that adding "a third layer" that's also presented auditorily will actually do that. I guess it can't hurt to try, if it's possible, but I suspect a "making it worse, not better" outcome. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor. ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)
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Re: ocr solutions
Don H
Open book hasn't been updated for years and I don't think that FS is planning on updating it any time soon.
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well to be honest, I want to either stay mainstream, or switch to something thats actually updated comercially. K1000 was my choice and before nuance got rid of omnipage the ultimate omnipage was my other option. I was thinking of going to the dolphin product. Openbook I am unsure of. I have issues with the company and group that makes jaws and that software, because some things they do don't sit right with me, now and in the past. Abbyy looks to be something a lot use and its quite good for what it is.
On 13/01/2020 8:31 am, Gene wrote:
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Yeah and aparently their actual domain to get things is parked for now.
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Looking at the prices from another site, they have a scan and read etc, I am not saving much if I just stay with mainstream software like abbyy.
On 13/01/2020 7:38 am, Howard Traxler wrote:
Found out all about text cloner on that site, but they never offerred to let me download it or buy it.
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Gene
I haven't used Text Cloner for a long time.
When I did, it was inferior to programs like Openbook, Kurzweil, Fine Reader,
etc. But there is a demo and if you try it with a sample of the kinds of
material you will be scanning, you will get a good comparison.
Gene
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Hmmm what is text cloner like and is it more accessible than abbyy. I like abbyy for what it is and use it a bunch, however, half price for upgrades is still high. My version will run on win10 nicer than my old 14 does, and I have emailed them about a few issues but future things are always nice. On 12/01/2020 8:54 pm, David Goldfield
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Rui Fontes
1 - The last version is from 2013, it seems...
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2 - The trial downloads page is out of the air and the domain for sale... 3 - Could be already closed the company? Rui Fontes -----Mensagem original----- De: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Em Nome De Howard Traxler Enviada: domingo, 12 de janeiro de 2020 18:38 Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io Assunto: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions Found out all about text cloner on that site, but they never offerred to let me download it or buy it.
On 1/12/2020 2:10 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
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Re: Accessible windows calendar app
I use google calendar. I know, it's a web interfacew but I love it. I don't exactly know if it will link contacts though, as I have not had to do that, not yet. Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well. to subscribe to the feed click here Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc. Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff. Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here
On 12 Jan 2020, at 9:29, Sam Bushman wrote:
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Howard Traxler
Found out all about text cloner on that site, but they never offerred to let me download it or buy it.
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On 1/12/2020 2:10 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
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Re: NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?
Rob Hudson
ely.r@comcast.net wrote:
Rob, as of now, I don't think any screen reader can read subtitles. If thoseWell, that's not always true. Some film disks have actual text subtitles you can copy. I won't get into how, but it's possible. And others, as you say, are just images. There is no standard.
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