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Re: ocr solutions

Shaun Everiss
 

Hmph.

Well thats sort of decided it for me then.

I have been buying and going with abbyy for ages, I will probably stay where I am then.

Eventually this stuff will just not work and while I really like k1000 and may still eventually buy it, if I am going to buy something expensive, I'd much buy as much mainstream software with specialised addons or something rather than spending a lot of cash on stuff that no one knows or worse can't help me with that I have to doodle with.

Eventually I'd like one of those docuscans or eyepal devices but thats for later.

I can't have em all, and my next purchice is a dish smart tv module for my crappy non smart tv which will cost less than a new, bigger tv which will not fit in my room.

On 13/01/2020 8:47 am, Don H wrote:
Open book hasn't been updated for years and I don't think that FS is planning on updating it any time soon.



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Re: NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?

Oriana
 

For various reasons, the subtitles for many English and foreign films are available at https://www.opensubtitles.org . Keep in mind that the subtitle standard is to record the speaker name for every line, but many publicly contributed subtitles simply don't. Timing can also be extremely frustrating.


On Sun, Jan 12, 2020, 3:03 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I suppose you could turn off the sound of the film and just read the subtitles.  But if you are going to do that, you might do much better, in terms of accessibility, to see if the script of the movie is available.  There are some sites that are completely useless such as Scriptorama, (spelling) because the person goes through all the trouble of transcribing script after script, and doesn't include any information such as who is speaking and the setting.  There are other sites that have full scripts, but you will get earlier drafts on some sites, not the final scripts and there may be important differences.  So be careful what the site tells you about the script.
 
Actually, as I think about it, it might be cumbersome, but using a script from Scriptorama, maybe you could use it to find passages that are unintelligible in the film and read them while stopping the film, then returning to the film.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?

Rob,

        I get what you're saying, but just imagine what it would be like to have the dialog, the background noise that's part of the scene, and synthesized subtitles all being churned out at the same time.

        I understand what you're trying to solve, but I don't think that adding "a third layer" that's also presented auditorily will actually do that.  I guess it can't hurt to try, if it's possible, but I suspect a "making it worse, not better" outcome.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 
Re: ocr solutions

Sky Mundell
 

No they aren't they said they're now putting the OCR functions in JAWS.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 11:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

Open book hasn't been updated for years and I don't think that FS is
planning on updating it any time soon.
Re: NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?

Gene
 

I suppose you could turn off the sound of the film and just read the subtitles.  But if you are going to do that, you might do much better, in terms of accessibility, to see if the script of the movie is available.  There are some sites that are completely useless such as Scriptorama, (spelling) because the person goes through all the trouble of transcribing script after script, and doesn't include any information such as who is speaking and the setting.  There are other sites that have full scripts, but you will get earlier drafts on some sites, not the final scripts and there may be important differences.  So be careful what the site tells you about the script.
 
Actually, as I think about it, it might be cumbersome, but using a script from Scriptorama, maybe you could use it to find passages that are unintelligible in the film and read them while stopping the film, then returning to the film.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?

Rob,

        I get what you're saying, but just imagine what it would be like to have the dialog, the background noise that's part of the scene, and synthesized subtitles all being churned out at the same time.

        I understand what you're trying to solve, but I don't think that adding "a third layer" that's also presented auditorily will actually do that.  I guess it can't hurt to try, if it's possible, but I suspect a "making it worse, not better" outcome.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 
Re: ocr solutions

Don H
 

Open book hasn't been updated for years and I don't think that FS is planning on updating it any time soon.
Re: ocr solutions

Shaun Everiss
 

well to be honest, I want to either stay mainstream, or switch to something thats actually updated comercially.

K1000 was my choice and before nuance got rid of omnipage the ultimate omnipage was my other option.

I was thinking of going to the dolphin product.

Openbook I am unsure of.

I have issues with the company and group that makes jaws and that software, because some things they do don't sit right with me, now and in the past.

Abbyy looks to be something a lot use and its quite good for what it is.


On 13/01/2020 8:31 am, Gene wrote:
I haven't used Text Cloner for a long time.  When I did, it was inferior to programs like Openbook, Kurzweil, Fine Reader, etc.  But there is a demo and if you try it with a sample of the kinds of material you will be scanning, you will get a good comparison. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

Hmmm what is text cloner like and is it more accessible than abbyy.

I like abbyy for what it is and use it a bunch, however, half price for upgrades is still high.

My version will run on win10 nicer than my old 14 does, and I have emailed them about a few issues but future things are always nice.



On 12/01/2020 8:54 pm, David Goldfield wrote:

For reference, the Text Cloner product page is available from the above link.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 1/10/2020 2:18 PM, Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io wrote:

Good afternoon,

I know two blind people that use tect cloner pro and it is about $139.00 I believe.

It is from premier literacy.

It works very well and is completely accessible.

Let me know if you need any more info.

Rich

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 10:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

 

How old is your OCR program and how well does it work currently?  I haven't followed this for many years but for a good while, I found that upgrades may have improved marginal scanning situations but that much of the time, for most scanning under good conditions, the upgrades made little or no difference. 

 

Or are you upgrading because what you were using doesn't run in Windows 10, which is unlikely?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2020 6:06 PM

Subject: [nvda] ocr solutions

 

Hi.

Just wandering what ocr solutions people use.

I use abbyy fine reader and its mostly ok but access wize I have
wandered at it of late.

the latest version will cost me 190 instead of the 300 or so dollars for
a new version and I could easily upgrade it.

Right now omnipage standard costs me 192 nz right now, then again, what
do people use.

I want something that is accessible which will do ocr and scanning,
images, pdfs, paper documents.


Is it worth the upgrade of fine reader or should I switch to omnipage or
what.
Re: ocr solutions

Shaun Everiss
 

Yeah and aparently their actual domain to get things is parked for now.

Looking at the prices from another site, they have a scan and read etc, I am not saving much if I just stay with mainstream software like abbyy.

On 13/01/2020 7:38 am, Howard Traxler wrote:
Found out all about text cloner on that site, but they never offerred to let me download it or buy it.


On 1/12/2020 2:10 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Hmmm what is text cloner like and is it more accessible than abbyy.

I like abbyy for what it is and use it a bunch, however, half price for upgrades is still high.

My version will run on win10 nicer than my old 14 does, and I have emailed them about a few issues but future things are always nice.



On 12/01/2020 8:54 pm, David Goldfield wrote:

For reference, the Text Cloner <http://www.premierathome.com/products/TextClonerPro.php>product page is available from the above link.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 1/10/2020 2:18 PM, Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io wrote:

Good afternoon,

I know two blind people that use tect cloner pro and it is about $139.00 I believe.

It is from premier literacy.

It works very well and is completely accessible.

Let me know if you need any more info.

Rich

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Friday, January 10, 2020 10:52 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

How old is your OCR program and how well does it work currently?  I haven't followed this for many years but for a good while, I found that upgrades may have improved marginal scanning situations but that much of the time, for most scanning under good conditions, the upgrades made little or no difference.

Or are you upgrading because what you were using doesn't run in Windows 10, which is unlikely?

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Shaun Everiss <mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Thursday, January 09, 2020 6:06 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*[nvda] ocr solutions

Hi.

Just wandering what ocr solutions people use.

I use abbyy fine reader and its mostly ok but access wize I have
wandered at it of late.

the latest version will cost me 190 instead of the 300 or so dollars for
a new version and I could easily upgrade it.

Right now omnipage standard costs me 192 nz right now, then again, what
do people use.

I want something that is accessible which will do ocr and scanning,
images, pdfs, paper documents.


Is it worth the upgrade of fine reader or should I switch to omnipage or
what.




.
Re: ocr solutions

Gene
 

I haven't used Text Cloner for a long time.  When I did, it was inferior to programs like Openbook, Kurzweil, Fine Reader, etc.  But there is a demo and if you try it with a sample of the kinds of material you will be scanning, you will get a good comparison. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

Hmmm what is text cloner like and is it more accessible than abbyy.

I like abbyy for what it is and use it a bunch, however, half price for upgrades is still high.

My version will run on win10 nicer than my old 14 does, and I have emailed them about a few issues but future things are always nice.



On 12/01/2020 8:54 pm, David Goldfield wrote:

For reference, the Text Cloner product page is available from the above link.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 1/10/2020 2:18 PM, Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io wrote:

Good afternoon,

I know two blind people that use tect cloner pro and it is about $139.00 I believe.

It is from premier literacy.

It works very well and is completely accessible.

Let me know if you need any more info.

Rich

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 10:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

 

How old is your OCR program and how well does it work currently?  I haven't followed this for many years but for a good while, I found that upgrades may have improved marginal scanning situations but that much of the time, for most scanning under good conditions, the upgrades made little or no difference. 

 

Or are you upgrading because what you were using doesn't run in Windows 10, which is unlikely?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2020 6:06 PM

Subject: [nvda] ocr solutions

 

Hi.

Just wandering what ocr solutions people use.

I use abbyy fine reader and its mostly ok but access wize I have
wandered at it of late.

the latest version will cost me 190 instead of the 300 or so dollars for
a new version and I could easily upgrade it.

Right now omnipage standard costs me 192 nz right now, then again, what
do people use.

I want something that is accessible which will do ocr and scanning,
images, pdfs, paper documents.


Is it worth the upgrade of fine reader or should I switch to omnipage or
what.
Re: ocr solutions

Rui Fontes
 

1 - The last version is from 2013, it seems...

2 - The trial downloads page is out of the air and the domain for sale...

3 - Could be already closed the company?

Rui Fontes


-----Mensagem original-----
De: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Em Nome De Howard Traxler
Enviada: domingo, 12 de janeiro de 2020 18:38
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

Found out all about text cloner on that site, but they never offerred to let me download it or buy it.

On 1/12/2020 2:10 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Hmmm what is text cloner like and is it more accessible than abbyy.

I like abbyy for what it is and use it a bunch, however, half price
for upgrades is still high.

My version will run on win10 nicer than my old 14 does, and I have
emailed them about a few issues but future things are always nice.



On 12/01/2020 8:54 pm, David Goldfield wrote:

For reference, the Text Cloner
<http://www.premierathome.com/products/TextClonerPro.php>product page
is available from the above link.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 1/10/2020 2:18 PM, Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io wrote:

Good afternoon,

I know two blind people that use tect cloner pro and it is about
$139.00 I believe.

It is from premier literacy.

It works very well and is completely accessible.

Let me know if you need any more info.

Rich

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
Of *Gene
*Sent:* Friday, January 10, 2020 10:52 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

How old is your OCR program and how well does it work currently? I
haven't followed this for many years but for a good while, I found
that upgrades may have improved marginal scanning situations but
that much of the time, for most scanning under good conditions, the
upgrades made little or no difference.

Or are you upgrading because what you were using doesn't run in
Windows 10, which is unlikely?

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Shaun Everiss <mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Thursday, January 09, 2020 6:06 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*[nvda] ocr solutions

Hi.

Just wandering what ocr solutions people use.

I use abbyy fine reader and its mostly ok but access wize I have
wandered at it of late.

the latest version will cost me 190 instead of the 300 or so dollars
for
a new version and I could easily upgrade it.

Right now omnipage standard costs me 192 nz right now, then again, what
do people use.

I want something that is accessible which will do ocr and scanning,
images, pdfs, paper documents.


Is it worth the upgrade of fine reader or should I switch to
omnipage or
what.
Re: Accessible windows calendar app

Sarah k Alawami
 

I use google calendar. I know, it's a web interfacew but I love it. I don't exactly know if it will link contacts though, as I have not had to do that, not yet.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.

to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 12 Jan 2020, at 9:29, Sam Bushman wrote:

Yes, thank you.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of René Linke
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 10:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible windows calendar app

Hi Sam,

Do you have installed the Windows 10 App Essentials add-on for NVDA?
That add-on helps for accessibility issues some in Windows 10 Apps

René
Re: ocr solutions

Howard Traxler
 

Found out all about text cloner on that site, but they never offerred to let me download it or buy it.

On 1/12/2020 2:10 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Hmmm what is text cloner like and is it more accessible than abbyy.

I like abbyy for what it is and use it a bunch, however, half price for upgrades is still high.

My version will run on win10 nicer than my old 14 does, and I have emailed them about a few issues but future things are always nice.



On 12/01/2020 8:54 pm, David Goldfield wrote:

For reference, the Text Cloner <http://www.premierathome.com/products/TextClonerPro.php>product page is available from the above link.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 1/10/2020 2:18 PM, Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io wrote:

Good afternoon,

I know two blind people that use tect cloner pro and it is about $139.00 I believe.

It is from premier literacy.

It works very well and is completely accessible.

Let me know if you need any more info.

Rich

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Friday, January 10, 2020 10:52 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

How old is your OCR program and how well does it work currently?  I haven't followed this for many years but for a good while, I found that upgrades may have improved marginal scanning situations but that much of the time, for most scanning under good conditions, the upgrades made little or no difference.

Or are you upgrading because what you were using doesn't run in Windows 10, which is unlikely?

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*Shaun Everiss <mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>

*Sent:*Thursday, January 09, 2020 6:06 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*[nvda] ocr solutions

Hi.

Just wandering what ocr solutions people use.

I use abbyy fine reader and its mostly ok but access wize I have
wandered at it of late.

the latest version will cost me 190 instead of the 300 or so dollars for
a new version and I could easily upgrade it.

Right now omnipage standard costs me 192 nz right now, then again, what
do people use.

I want something that is accessible which will do ocr and scanning,
images, pdfs, paper documents.


Is it worth the upgrade of fine reader or should I switch to omnipage or
what.
Re: NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?

Rob Hudson
 

ely.r@comcast.net wrote:
Rob, as of now, I don't think any screen reader can read subtitles. If those
titles originated with the actual film, for all purposes they are just
images, not real text to be spoken.
Well, that's not always true. Some film disks have actual text subtitles you can copy. I won't get into how, but it's possible. And others, as you say, are just images. There is no standard.
Re: NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?

Rob Hudson
 

Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
I get what you're saying, but just imagine what it would be like to have the dialog, the background noise that's part of the scene, and synthesized subtitles all being churned out at the same time.
And that's why I said braille display. That's how I used to read them.
Re: NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?

ely.r@...
 

Rob, as of now, I don't think any screen reader can read subtitles. If those
titles originated with the actual film, for all purposes they are just
images, not real text to be spoken. If the titles are broadcast added them
to are not accessible. The suggestion of finding an English audio described
version of the film is your best bet. Start by searching on the ACB Audio
Description Project at:
https://www.acb.org/adp/

Let us know what you find. You might also want to post that question to the
ADP [project list. The add your name to the list is on the site.
Luck,
Rick, a blind film teacher

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rob Hudson
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 11:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?

licurici.stelistii via Groups.Io <licurici.stelistii=yahoo.com@groups.io>
wrote:
Is there any way that I can make NVDA read the subtitles from movies?
Is there a video player that I can use? I'm on Windows 7. Thanks
If the subtitle is a bitmap, i.e a picture, no way. There is theoretically a
way in vlc to see them, if they are actual text pieces scrolling on the
screen, but i Haven't found a way.
Re: NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?

Brian Vogel
 

Rob,

        I get what you're saying, but just imagine what it would be like to have the dialog, the background noise that's part of the scene, and synthesized subtitles all being churned out at the same time.

        I understand what you're trying to solve, but I don't think that adding "a third layer" that's also presented auditorily will actually do that.  I guess it can't hurt to try, if it's possible, but I suspect a "making it worse, not better" outcome.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 
locked The Status of NVDA Remote and NVDA 2019.3 - The "Last Word" until there's New Information

Brian Vogel
 

The Status of NVDA Remote and NVDA 2019.3:

The latest information on NVDA Remote was discussed, at length, in the earlier topic  NVDA remote, which can be reviewed in the NVDA Group Archive by activating the link given.  The single message with the greatest detail regarding the current status of NVDA Remote was this one by Joseph Lee.

The current NVDA remote will only work with NVDA up through the NVDA 2019.2 release.

When any major news about NVDA Remote becomes available you may be assured that it will be announced here.  Until and unless that happens, if you must have access to NVDA remote you will need to stay on an NVDA release that is earlier than NVDA 2019.3.  There is currently no projected date for getting NVDA Remote functioning with NVDA 2019.3 and later, but the need is recognized.

You can find contact information for the NVDA Remote developers at the bottom of the NVDA Remote Access Home Page.  Search for the link, “Christopher Toth and Tyler Spivey,” which is a mailto link for the developers.  Questions regarding NVDA Remote should be directed to them unless the functionality were to be integrated into NVDA itself.

I have previously stated that I will lock any topic on NVDA Remote until or unless something changes, so this topic is now locked.

I am begging the membership at large to simply "watch this space" for updated information once it becomes available rather than continuing to churn out topic after topic regarding NVDA Remote.  Also, please review the document:  Searching_the_NVDA_Group_Archive.docx

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 
locked Re: NVDA remote

Brian Vogel
 

The latest information on NVDA Remote was discussed, at length, in the topic  NVDA remote 
on this very forum.  The single message with the greatest detail regarding the current status of NVDA Remote was this one by Joseph Lee.

The current NVDA remote will only work with NVDA up through the NVDA 2019.2 release.

I have stated that I will lock any topic on NVDA Remote until or unless something changes, so this topic is now locked.

When any major news about NVDA Remote becomes available you may be assured that it will be announced here.  Until and unless that happens, if you must have access to NVDA remote you will need to stay on an NVDA release that is earlier than NVDA 2019.3.  There is currently no projected date for getting NVDA Remote functioning with NVDA 2019.3 and later, but the need is recognized.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 
locked Re: NVDA remote

Kerryn Gunness
 


yup it has been updated  in the official add on site, it is remote 2.2.1
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 1:02 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA remote

Has any one heard any news about this being updated?

 

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Re: Accessible windows calendar app

Sam Bushman
 

Yes, thank you.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of René Linke
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 10:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible windows calendar app

Hi Sam,

Do you have installed the Windows 10 App Essentials add-on for NVDA?
That add-on helps for accessibility issues some in Windows 10 Apps

René
Re: NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?

Rob Hudson
 

Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
I would also be curious as to what the exact need is, not because it's any of my business, but because there are other possible solutions.
Well, I found it useful for example because, until recently, I could not hear speech very well at all. My speech comprehension was below forty percent. A cochlear implant fixed that, and then I went bilateral. But sometimes background noise still drowns out what is being said. Enter subtitles.
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