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Re: NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?

JM Casey
 

It’s been a while since I did this, but personally I download subtitles from a site like this one and read them on a braille display, since I want to hear the voices of the actors and not a synth. It is hard to keep up sometimees and there is no syncing with the video since I just read as a text file, but it’s doable, though sometimes you have to be a fast reader. Sighted people have this issue too though of not always being able to keep up with fast dialogue, even if they are at a bit of an advantage.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Oriana
Sent: January 12, 2020 3:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?

 

For various reasons, the subtitles for many English and foreign films are available at https://www.opensubtitles.org . Keep in mind that the subtitle standard is to record the speaker name for every line, but many publicly contributed subtitles simply don't. Timing can also be extremely frustrating.

 

On Sun, Jan 12, 2020, 3:03 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I suppose you could turn off the sound of the film and just read the subtitles.  But if you are going to do that, you might do much better, in terms of accessibility, to see if the script of the movie is available.  There are some sites that are completely useless such as Scriptorama, (spelling) because the person goes through all the trouble of transcribing script after script, and doesn't include any information such as who is speaking and the setting.  There are other sites that have full scripts, but you will get earlier drafts on some sites, not the final scripts and there may be important differences.  So be careful what the site tells you about the script.

 

Actually, as I think about it, it might be cumbersome, but using a script from Scriptorama, maybe you could use it to find passages that are unintelligible in the film and read them while stopping the film, then returning to the film.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 12:19 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?

 

Rob,

        I get what you're saying, but just imagine what it would be like to have the dialog, the background noise that's part of the scene, and synthesized subtitles all being churned out at the same time.

        I understand what you're trying to solve, but I don't think that adding "a third layer" that's also presented auditorily will actually do that.  I guess it can't hurt to try, if it's possible, but I suspect a "making it worse, not better" outcome.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 


Re: ocr solutions

Gene
 

There is confusion on the subject.  There is an add-on to provide OCR for versions of Windows lower than Windows 10.  Windows 10 has its own OCr, so the add-on is no longer used. 
for purchase.
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: January 12, 2020 6:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

That's strange that it would be in 7 and not ten.
And no,  win 7 is not being discontinued, it is not being fully supported.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell
Sent: January-12-20 3:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

There is but it only runs on windows 7 which is going to be discontinued in 48 hours (two days). OCR in NVDA is built in on windows 10. If you try to do insert R desktop or caps lock R laptop and your laptop or desktop runs windows 7 it will say, Windows 10 OCR not available.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 12:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

Isn't there an ocr  addon  for nvda?


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: January-12-20 2:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

Hmph, another reason to maybe not use jaws, to be honest, if nvda could have some scanner addon which could use finereader engine and others I'd probably buy it, I mean I'd like a standalone program to but still.

It seems the best way forward is mainstream software then.

I'd like to know if those that use omnipage especially the later versions and the ultimate version especially find it better than abbyy or whatever.

I have a user staying on abyy 12 because its accessible, however, it means I am using older software which will probably go out of date.

There was a time 3 or so years back when the network relied on dragon naturally speaking and an offer/add came up from nuance about omnipage and a rediculous offer on ultimate but I never took that.



On 13/01/2020 9:05 am, Sky Mundell wrote:
> No they aren't they said they're now putting the OCR functions in JAWS.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Don H
> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 11:48 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions
>
> Open book hasn't been updated for years and I don't think that FS is
> planning on updating it any time soon.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
















Re: abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Gene
 

You shouldn't, but it sure is nice to save eight or nine hundred dollars and get the current version.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Well its not exactly difficult, but its just I should be able to read the window is all.

Like I should be able to scroll the combo boxes in options and access the menus without delays.

I didn't have this issue on finereader version 12 to 14 as such though others I know say that some of the buttons had issues but I never had them so I can't really comment.



On 14/01/2020 7:38 am, Gene wrote:
If the window appears to be blank, what happens if you select all, then copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into Notepad?
 
In a very old version I used to use, my recollection is that if I did that, then scanned another page, new text replaced the old and I could add pages by copying and pasting.  It was a little extra work but if you are going to save eight or nine hundred dollars, its worth it.
 
I don't recall what was inconvenient or difficult to use regarding the recognized text in the window.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 10:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hi.

I am in discussons with abbyy  on the fine reader program.

Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do,

1.  do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling.

2.  is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and
are all things read.

3.  is the ocr editor working right and reading things.

In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy
want me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work.

Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info.

Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when
scroling.

When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to
be blank.

These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs
an addon.

Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write
addons maybe.





Re: abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Gene
 

I should add that its been a long time since I used that very old version.  I may be incorrect and you may have to delete the material before scanning new material.  You could probably cut it to the clipboard but if you are going to do that or the copy method, I would suggest that having Clip Speak is important.  You need verification of copy and paste so you can do these things with confidence.  You don't want to check every time you paste to be sure the correct material was pasted.  In short, if you hear that material is copied and then pasted, it will save time in checking the end of every page to make sure it is different from last time.  Just one more reason its long since time to have copy and paste announced as a part of NVDA. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

If the window appears to be blank, what happens if you select all, then copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into Notepad?
 
In a very old version I used to use, my recollection is that if I did that, then scanned another page, new text replaced the old and I could add pages by copying and pasting.  It was a little extra work but if you are going to save eight or nine hundred dollars, its worth it.
 
I don't recall what was inconvenient or difficult to use regarding the recognized text in the window.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 10:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hi.

I am in discussons with abbyy  on the fine reader program.

Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do,

1.  do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling.

2.  is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and
are all things read.

3.  is the ocr editor working right and reading things.

In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy
want me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work.

Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info.

Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when
scroling.

When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to
be blank.

These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs
an addon.

Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write
addons maybe.





Re: ocr solutions

JM Casey
 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: January 12, 2020 6:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

That's strange that it would be in 7 and not ten.
And no, win 7 is not being discontinued, it is not being fully supported.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell
Sent: January-12-20 3:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

There is but it only runs on windows 7 which is going to be discontinued in 48 hours (two days). OCR in NVDA is built in on windows 10. If you try to do insert R desktop or caps lock R laptop and your laptop or desktop runs windows 7 it will say, Windows 10 OCR not available.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 12:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

Isn't there an ocr addon for nvda?


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: January-12-20 2:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

Hmph, another reason to maybe not use jaws, to be honest, if nvda could have some scanner addon which could use finereader engine and others I'd probably buy it, I mean I'd like a standalone program to but still.

It seems the best way forward is mainstream software then.

I'd like to know if those that use omnipage especially the later versions and the ultimate version especially find it better than abbyy or whatever.

I have a user staying on abyy 12 because its accessible, however, it means I am using older software which will probably go out of date.

There was a time 3 or so years back when the network relied on dragon naturally speaking and an offer/add came up from nuance about omnipage and a rediculous offer on ultimate but I never took that.



On 13/01/2020 9:05 am, Sky Mundell wrote:
No they aren't they said they're now putting the OCR functions in JAWS.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Don H
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 11:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

Open book hasn't been updated for years and I don't think that FS is
planning on updating it any time soon.







Re: abbyy fine reader 15 issues

 

Well its not exactly difficult, but its just I should be able to read the window is all.

Like I should be able to scroll the combo boxes in options and access the menus without delays.

I didn't have this issue on finereader version 12 to 14 as such though others I know say that some of the buttons had issues but I never had them so I can't really comment.



On 14/01/2020 7:38 am, Gene wrote:
If the window appears to be blank, what happens if you select all, then copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into Notepad?
 
In a very old version I used to use, my recollection is that if I did that, then scanned another page, new text replaced the old and I could add pages by copying and pasting.  It was a little extra work but if you are going to save eight or nine hundred dollars, its worth it.
 
I don't recall what was inconvenient or difficult to use regarding the recognized text in the window.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 10:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hi.

I am in discussons with abbyy  on the fine reader program.

Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do,

1.  do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling.

2.  is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and
are all things read.

3.  is the ocr editor working right and reading things.

In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy
want me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work.

Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info.

Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when
scroling.

When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to
be blank.

These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs
an addon.

Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write
addons maybe.





Re: ocr solutions

 

Well I am thinking that there probably should be an addon for abbyy, but there are a lot of people making addons as it is.

I am still working with support on the abbyy issue.

Goes to show though that if it works with jaws and narator it doesn't mean it will necessarilly fully work with nvda.

On 14/01/2020 5:51 am, Chris Nestrud wrote:
I bought ABBYY FineReader Standard late last year. Accessibility is very
good, including hot keys for accessing most functions.
There are a couple places with focus issues; this could probably be
fixed with an add-on to reset focus in certain windows.

Chris


Re: abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Gene
 

If the window appears to be blank, what happens if you select all, then copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into Notepad?
 
In a very old version I used to use, my recollection is that if I did that, then scanned another page, new text replaced the old and I could add pages by copying and pasting.  It was a little extra work but if you are going to save eight or nine hundred dollars, its worth it.
 
I don't recall what was inconvenient or difficult to use regarding the recognized text in the window.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 10:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hi.

I am in discussons with abbyy  on the fine reader program.

Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do,

1.  do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling.

2.  is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and
are all things read.

3.  is the ocr editor working right and reading things.

In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy
want me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work.

Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info.

Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when
scroling.

When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to
be blank.

These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs
an addon.

Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write
addons maybe.





Re: ocr solutions

Chris Nestrud
 

I bought ABBYY FineReader Standard late last year. Accessibility is very
good, including hot keys for accessing most functions.
There are a couple places with focus issues; this could probably be
fixed with an add-on to reset focus in certain windows.

Chris


Re: NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?

Dzhovani
 

The KMPlayer has integration that allows for reading of textual subtitles. And yes, there is case for those people who are not english and cannot have everything translated to their languages with audio actors. And it is not ideal solution, but it works when there is no another way.
To set the kmplayer, open the player, press f2, find language and speech, find read with dictation and check read subtitles.
Warning, KMPlayer lately is a bloatware and tries to install all kinds of unnecessary stuff.


Re: abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Adriani Botez
 

The lag issue in menus is also visible in earlier versions of Finereader. You might want to share with the guys from aBBYY the coresponding issue on NVDA's github repository, where you can find a lot of useful discussions and fragments from log files.
The issue is
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5693

Best
Adriani

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Shaun
Everiss
Gesendet: Montag, 13. Januar 2020 17:07
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hi.

I am in discussons with abbyy on the fine reader program.

Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do,

1. do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling.

2. is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and are all
things read.

3. is the ocr editor working right and reading things.

In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy want
me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work.

Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info.

Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when scroling.

When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to be
blank.

These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs an
addon.

Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write
addons maybe.




Re: FW: [win10] Edge 79: if your screen reader is having trouble working with web content shown in Edge...

 

Its worth noting that I have never had any uia issues with chrome standard however in edge thats another animal.

Also of interest, shortcuts to online office programs seem to have got added to the menus as part of edge.

Not sure if these are online or what but it took me a bit to kill them.

Lets hope that now chrome and microsoft and others are in direct competition that we can actually see all sides step up just that little bit higher.



On 14/01/2020 5:13 am, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

This mostly concerns browsers, and Slack might be affected if accessed from the web.

An important update: the workaround I described earlier no longer applies if using NVDA 2019.3 or later.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 7:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] Edge 79: if your screen reader is having trouble working with web content shown in Edge...

 

Any idea if Microsoft Teams app or Slack are effected by this transition to UIA?

For that matter, is there a way to check for apps like these that are using Chromium as their base?

Jonathan

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Monday, January 13, 2020 at 1:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] FW: [win10] Edge 79: if your screen reader is having trouble working with web content shown in Edge...

External email alert: Be wary of links & attachments.

 

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 10:25 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] Edge 79: if your screen reader is having trouble working with web content shown in Edge... #ChromiumEdge

 

Hi all,

 

Someone reported on JFW list (hosted on Groups.IO) that the user cannot interact with certain web content displayed in Edge 79 beta, along with a thread on Win10 forum about inability to interact with web content shown in Edge with other screen readers. This issue can be traced to the fact that, in Edge 79 (upcoming stable version), UI Automation is enabled (several reports were sent to Microsoft about this issue). Unfortunately, as an NVDA core developer (not me) notes, UIA implementation in Chromium-based web browsers (including Edge) isn’t solid yet.

 

To work around this for now, you need to disable UIA support in Edge and other Chromium-based web browsers (if your browser exposes this option). To do so in Edge 79:

 

  1. Start new Microsoft Edge (not the old one).
  2. >From address omnibox (Alt+D), type “edge://flags” (without quotes and as exactly as shown) and press Enter.
  3. Type “UI Automation” into “search flags” and press Tab to move through resulting content (no, DO NOT PRESS ENTER AFTER TYPING FLAGS!).
  4. Go to “Native UI Automation” combo box and select “disabled”.
  5. Press Tab to go to “Restart” button and click it.

 

Screen reader specifics:

 

  • Narrator: supports native UI Automation
  • JAWS: works better with native UI Automation off
  • NVDA: works better with UI Automation off and a fix is being developed
  • Other screen readers: contact vendors

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: FW: [win10] Edge 79: if your screen reader is having trouble working with web content shown in Edge...

 

Hi,

This mostly concerns browsers, and Slack might be affected if accessed from the web.

An important update: the workaround I described earlier no longer applies if using NVDA 2019.3 or later.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 7:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] Edge 79: if your screen reader is having trouble working with web content shown in Edge...

 

Any idea if Microsoft Teams app or Slack are effected by this transition to UIA?

For that matter, is there a way to check for apps like these that are using Chromium as their base?

Jonathan

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Monday, January 13, 2020 at 1:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] FW: [win10] Edge 79: if your screen reader is having trouble working with web content shown in Edge...

External email alert: Be wary of links & attachments.

 

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 10:25 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] Edge 79: if your screen reader is having trouble working with web content shown in Edge... #ChromiumEdge

 

Hi all,

 

Someone reported on JFW list (hosted on Groups.IO) that the user cannot interact with certain web content displayed in Edge 79 beta, along with a thread on Win10 forum about inability to interact with web content shown in Edge with other screen readers. This issue can be traced to the fact that, in Edge 79 (upcoming stable version), UI Automation is enabled (several reports were sent to Microsoft about this issue). Unfortunately, as an NVDA core developer (not me) notes, UIA implementation in Chromium-based web browsers (including Edge) isn’t solid yet.

 

To work around this for now, you need to disable UIA support in Edge and other Chromium-based web browsers (if your browser exposes this option). To do so in Edge 79:

 

  1. Start new Microsoft Edge (not the old one).
  2. From address omnibox (Alt+D), type “edge://flags” (without quotes and as exactly as shown) and press Enter.
  3. Type “UI Automation” into “search flags” and press Tab to move through resulting content (no, DO NOT PRESS ENTER AFTER TYPING FLAGS!).
  4. Go to “Native UI Automation” combo box and select “disabled”.
  5. Press Tab to go to “Restart” button and click it.

 

Screen reader specifics:

 

  • Narrator: supports native UI Automation
  • JAWS: works better with native UI Automation off
  • NVDA: works better with UI Automation off and a fix is being developed
  • Other screen readers: contact vendors

 

Cheers,

Joseph


abbyy fine reader 15 issues

 

Hi.

I am in discussons with abbyy  on the fine reader program.

Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do,

1.  do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling.

2.  is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and are all things read.

3.  is the ocr editor working right and reading things.

In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy want me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work.

Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info.

Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when scroling.

When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to be blank.

These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs an addon.

Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write addons maybe.


Excel and VBa 2010 Questions

Pele West
 

Hi Everyone

I am using Windows 7, Excel 2010 and am learning NVDA. I am a long-time
user of Window-Eyes and realise I will have to get out of the habit of
using it soon. I have the following questions:

1. What is the trick in NVDA to go to a specific worksheet in a workbook?
I have a workbook containing nearly 150 worksheets and would like to
activate a sheet using its name. I can press <NVDA+F7> to bring up the
elements list and can see Worksheets, but it does not show me a list of
sheets.

2. Is there a way to stop VBA 2010 missing out lines in my code? I seem
to be able to find the line I want and then it disappears.

3. Recently Excel 2010 has been acting very strangely. If I am looking
at a worksheet or VBA macro and switch to another program it does not
appear to access it although the title bar says it has focus. The only
way I can resolve the situation is to close everything down.Can anyone
advise?

Thanks

pele West


Re: FW: [win10] Edge 79: if your screen reader is having trouble working with web content shown in Edge...

Jonathan COHN
 

Any idea if Microsoft Teams app or Slack are effected by this transition to UIA?

For that matter, is there a way to check for apps like these that are using Chromium as their base?

Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Monday, January 13, 2020 at 1:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] FW: [win10] Edge 79: if your screen reader is having trouble working with web content shown in Edge...

External email alert: Be wary of links & attachments.

 

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 10:25 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] Edge 79: if your screen reader is having trouble working with web content shown in Edge... #ChromiumEdge

 

Hi all,

 

Someone reported on JFW list (hosted on Groups.IO) that the user cannot interact with certain web content displayed in Edge 79 beta, along with a thread on Win10 forum about inability to interact with web content shown in Edge with other screen readers. This issue can be traced to the fact that, in Edge 79 (upcoming stable version), UI Automation is enabled (several reports were sent to Microsoft about this issue). Unfortunately, as an NVDA core developer (not me) notes, UIA implementation in Chromium-based web browsers (including Edge) isn’t solid yet.

 

To work around this for now, you need to disable UIA support in Edge and other Chromium-based web browsers (if your browser exposes this option). To do so in Edge 79:

 

  1. Start new Microsoft Edge (not the old one).
  2. From address omnibox (Alt+D), type “edge://flags” (without quotes and as exactly as shown) and press Enter.
  3. Type “UI Automation” into “search flags” and press Tab to move through resulting content (no, DO NOT PRESS ENTER AFTER TYPING FLAGS!).
  4. Go to “Native UI Automation” combo box and select “disabled”.
  5. Press Tab to go to “Restart” button and click it.

 

Screen reader specifics:

 

  • Narrator: supports native UI Automation
  • JAWS: works better with native UI Automation off
  • NVDA: works better with UI Automation off and a fix is being developed
  • Other screen readers: contact vendors

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Chromium Based Microsoft Edge Beta

 

The various insider channel (Beta, Dev, & Canary) versions of Edge update themselves.  Canary is nightly, Dev is weekly, and Beta approximately every six weeks.

I do not know if the updates follow a phased roll-out schedule or simply go to all users of a given channel at the same time.

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Chromium Based Microsoft Edge Beta

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

I have played with this new edge beta on and off for the past few months.  With the recent discussion on this list, I opened it and tried updating to the latest beta.  I don't see where you can do this in the beta.  Can you update an older beta-before 79, from within the browser itself?  If not, do you have to go to the web page to get the newest beta?

Thanks for any help.

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Re: FW: [win10] Edge 79: if your screen reader is having trouble working with web content shown in Edge...

 

Hi,

According to Mick Curran from NV Access, UIA implementation in Chromium is not quite solid yet.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 2:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] Edge 79: if your screen reader is having trouble working with web content shown in Edge...

 

How weird! I thought NVDA supported this, in 2019.3? Darn, I thought this was something NVDA could just tap into, the UIA, and then whatever gets updated and otherwise, would automatically reflect because NVDA can already utilize native UI automation. Thanks for the tip! By the way, everybody, it works really really great with Narrator. I eagerly await this support in the core because this new chromium edge is great. Much better than the old edge, IMO.


Re: FW: [win10] Edge 79: if your screen reader is having trouble working with web content shown in Edge...

 

How weird! I thought NVDA supported this, in 2019.3? Darn, I thought this was something NVDA could just tap into, the UIA, and then whatever gets updated and otherwise, would automatically reflect because NVDA can already utilize native UI automation. Thanks for the tip! By the way, everybody, it works really really great with Narrator. I eagerly await this support in the core because this new chromium edge is great. Much better than the old edge, IMO.