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Re: abbyy fine reader 15 issues
Gene
You shouldn't, but it sure is nice to save eight or
nine hundred dollars and get the current version.
Gene
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From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues Well its not exactly difficult, but its just I should be able to read the window is all. Like I should be able to scroll the combo boxes in options and access the menus without delays. I didn't have this issue on finereader version 12 to 14 as such though others I know say that some of the buttons had issues but I never had them so I can't really comment. On 14/01/2020 7:38 am, Gene wrote:
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Re: abbyy fine reader 15 issues
Gene
I should add that its been a long time since I used
that very old version. I may be incorrect and you may have to delete the
material before scanning new material. You could probably cut it to the
clipboard but if you are going to do that or the copy method, I would suggest
that having Clip Speak is important. You need verification of copy and
paste so you can do these things with confidence. You don't want to check
every time you paste to be sure the correct material was pasted. In short,
if you hear that material is copied and then pasted, it will save time in
checking the end of every page to make sure it is different from last
time. Just one more reason its long since time to have copy and paste
announced as a part of NVDA.
Gene
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If the window appears to be blank, what happens if
you select all, then copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into
Notepad?
In a very old version I used to use, my
recollection is that if I did that, then scanned another page, new text replaced
the old and I could add pages by copying and pasting. It was a little
extra work but if you are going to save eight or nine hundred dollars, its worth
it.
I don't recall what was inconvenient or difficult
to use regarding the recognized text in the window.
Gene
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From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 10:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues I am in discussons with abbyy on the fine reader program. Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do, 1. do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling. 2. is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and are all things read. 3. is the ocr editor working right and reading things. In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy want me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work. Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info. Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when scroling. When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to be blank. These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs an addon. Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write addons maybe.
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Re: ocr solutions
JM Casey
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single Sent: January 12, 2020 6:36 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions That's strange that it would be in 7 and not ten. And no, win 7 is not being discontinued, it is not being fully supported. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell Sent: January-12-20 3:32 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions There is but it only runs on windows 7 which is going to be discontinued in 48 hours (two days). OCR in NVDA is built in on windows 10. If you try to do insert R desktop or caps lock R laptop and your laptop or desktop runs windows 7 it will say, Windows 10 OCR not available. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Monte Single Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 12:43 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions Isn't there an ocr addon for nvda? -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss Sent: January-12-20 2:26 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions Hmph, another reason to maybe not use jaws, to be honest, if nvda could have some scanner addon which could use finereader engine and others I'd probably buy it, I mean I'd like a standalone program to but still. It seems the best way forward is mainstream software then. I'd like to know if those that use omnipage especially the later versions and the ultimate version especially find it better than abbyy or whatever. I have a user staying on abyy 12 because its accessible, however, it means I am using older software which will probably go out of date. There was a time 3 or so years back when the network relied on dragon naturally speaking and an offer/add came up from nuance about omnipage and a rediculous offer on ultimate but I never took that. On 13/01/2020 9:05 am, Sky Mundell wrote: No they aren't they said they're now putting the OCR functions in JAWS.
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Re: abbyy fine reader 15 issues
Well its not exactly difficult, but its just I should be able to read the window is all. Like I should be able to scroll the combo boxes in options and access the menus without delays. I didn't have this issue on finereader version 12 to 14 as such though others I know say that some of the buttons had issues but I never had them so I can't really comment.
On 14/01/2020 7:38 am, Gene wrote:
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Re: ocr solutions
Well I am thinking that there probably should be an addon for abbyy, but there are a lot of people making addons as it is.
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I am still working with support on the abbyy issue. Goes to show though that if it works with jaws and narator it doesn't mean it will necessarilly fully work with nvda.
On 14/01/2020 5:51 am, Chris Nestrud wrote:
I bought ABBYY FineReader Standard late last year. Accessibility is very
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Re: abbyy fine reader 15 issues
Gene
If the window appears to be blank, what happens if
you select all, then copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into
Notepad?
In a very old version I used to use, my
recollection is that if I did that, then scanned another page, new text replaced
the old and I could add pages by copying and pasting. It was a little
extra work but if you are going to save eight or nine hundred dollars, its worth
it.
I don't recall what was inconvenient or difficult
to use regarding the recognized text in the window.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 10:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues I am in discussons with abbyy on the fine reader program. Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do, 1. do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling. 2. is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and are all things read. 3. is the ocr editor working right and reading things. In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy want me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work. Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info. Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when scroling. When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to be blank. These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs an addon. Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write addons maybe.
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Re: ocr solutions
Chris Nestrud
I bought ABBYY FineReader Standard late last year. Accessibility is very
good, including hot keys for accessing most functions. There are a couple places with focus issues; this could probably be fixed with an add-on to reset focus in certain windows. Chris
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Re: NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?
Dzhovani
The KMPlayer has integration that allows for reading of textual subtitles. And yes, there is case for those people who are not english and cannot have everything translated to their languages with audio actors. And it is not ideal solution, but it works when there is no another way.
To set the kmplayer, open the player, press f2, find language and speech, find read with dictation and check read subtitles. Warning, KMPlayer lately is a bloatware and tries to install all kinds of unnecessary stuff.
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Re: abbyy fine reader 15 issues
Adriani Botez
The lag issue in menus is also visible in earlier versions of Finereader. You might want to share with the guys from aBBYY the coresponding issue on NVDA's github repository, where you can find a lot of useful discussions and fragments from log files.
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The issue is https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5693 Best Adriani
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Re: FW: [win10] Edge 79: if your screen reader is having trouble working with web content shown in Edge...
Its worth noting that I have never had any uia issues with chrome standard however in edge thats another animal. Also of interest, shortcuts to online office programs seem to have got added to the menus as part of edge. Not sure if these are online or what but it took me a bit to kill them. Lets hope that now chrome and microsoft and others are in direct competition that we can actually see all sides step up just that little bit higher.
On 14/01/2020 5:13 am, Joseph Lee
wrote:
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Re: FW: [win10] Edge 79: if your screen reader is having trouble working with web content shown in Edge...
Hi, This mostly concerns browsers, and Slack might be affected if accessed from the web. An important update: the workaround I described earlier no longer applies if using NVDA 2019.3 or later. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 7:09 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] Edge 79: if your screen reader is having trouble working with web content shown in Edge...
Any idea if Microsoft Teams app or Slack are effected by this transition to UIA? For that matter, is there a way to check for apps like these that are using Chromium as their base? Jonathan
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> External email alert: Be wary of links & attachments.
From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Groups.Io
Hi all,
Someone reported on JFW list (hosted on Groups.IO) that the user cannot interact with certain web content displayed in Edge 79 beta, along with a thread on Win10 forum about inability to interact with web content shown in Edge with other screen readers. This issue can be traced to the fact that, in Edge 79 (upcoming stable version), UI Automation is enabled (several reports were sent to Microsoft about this issue). Unfortunately, as an NVDA core developer (not me) notes, UIA implementation in Chromium-based web browsers (including Edge) isn’t solid yet.
To work around this for now, you need to disable UIA support in Edge and other Chromium-based web browsers (if your browser exposes this option). To do so in Edge 79:
Screen reader specifics:
Cheers, Joseph
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abbyy fine reader 15 issues
Hi.
I am in discussons with abbyy on the fine reader program. Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do, 1. do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling. 2. is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and are all things read. 3. is the ocr editor working right and reading things. In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy want me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work. Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info. Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when scroling. When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to be blank. These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs an addon. Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write addons maybe.
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Excel and VBa 2010 Questions
Pele West
Hi Everyone
I am using Windows 7, Excel 2010 and am learning NVDA. I am a long-time user of Window-Eyes and realise I will have to get out of the habit of using it soon. I have the following questions: 1. What is the trick in NVDA to go to a specific worksheet in a workbook? I have a workbook containing nearly 150 worksheets and would like to activate a sheet using its name. I can press <NVDA+F7> to bring up the elements list and can see Worksheets, but it does not show me a list of sheets. 2. Is there a way to stop VBA 2010 missing out lines in my code? I seem to be able to find the line I want and then it disappears. 3. Recently Excel 2010 has been acting very strangely. If I am looking at a worksheet or VBA macro and switch to another program it does not appear to access it although the title bar says it has focus. The only way I can resolve the situation is to close everything down.Can anyone advise? Thanks pele West
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Re: FW: [win10] Edge 79: if your screen reader is having trouble working with web content shown in Edge...
Jonathan COHN
Any idea if Microsoft Teams app or Slack are effected by this transition to UIA? For that matter, is there a way to check for apps like these that are using Chromium as their base? Jonathan
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nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> External email alert: Be wary of links & attachments.
From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 10:25 PM To: win10@win10.groups.io Subject: [win10] Edge 79: if your screen reader is having trouble working with web content shown in Edge... #ChromiumEdge
Hi all,
Someone reported on JFW list (hosted on Groups.IO) that the user cannot interact with certain web content displayed in Edge 79 beta, along with a thread on Win10 forum about inability to interact with web content shown in Edge with other screen readers. This issue can be traced to the fact that, in Edge 79 (upcoming stable version), UI Automation is enabled (several reports were sent to Microsoft about this issue). Unfortunately, as an NVDA core developer (not me) notes, UIA implementation in Chromium-based web browsers (including Edge) isn’t solid yet.
To work around this for now, you need to disable UIA support in Edge and other Chromium-based web browsers (if your browser exposes this option). To do so in Edge 79:
Screen reader specifics:
Cheers, Joseph
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Re: Chromium Based Microsoft Edge Beta
The various insider channel (Beta, Dev, & Canary) versions of Edge update themselves. Canary is nightly, Dev is weekly, and Beta approximately every six weeks.
I do not know if the updates follow a phased roll-out schedule or simply go to all users of a given channel at the same time. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor. ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)
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Chromium Based Microsoft Edge Beta
Ron Canazzi
Hi Group,
I have played with this new edge beta on and off for the past few months. With the recent discussion on this list, I opened it and tried updating to the latest beta. I don't see where you can do this in the beta. Can you update an older beta-before 79, from within the browser itself? If not, do you have to go to the web page to get the newest beta? Thanks for any help. -- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Re: FW: [win10] Edge 79: if your screen reader is having trouble working with web content shown in Edge...
Hi, According to Mick Curran from NV Access, UIA implementation in Chromium is not quite solid yet. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
How weird! I thought NVDA supported this, in 2019.3? Darn, I thought this was something NVDA could just tap into, the UIA, and then whatever gets updated and otherwise, would automatically reflect because NVDA can already utilize native UI automation. Thanks for the tip! By the way, everybody, it works really really great with Narrator. I eagerly await this support in the core because this new chromium edge is great. Much better than the old edge, IMO.
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Re: FW: [win10] Edge 79: if your screen reader is having trouble working with web content shown in Edge...
How weird! I thought NVDA supported this, in 2019.3? Darn, I thought this was something NVDA could just tap into, the UIA, and then whatever gets updated and otherwise, would automatically reflect because NVDA can already utilize native UI automation. Thanks for the tip! By the way, everybody, it works really really great with Narrator. I eagerly await this support in the core because this new chromium edge is great. Much better than the old edge, IMO.
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Re: Thunderbird Address Book Question?
Jim O'Sullivan
I have found what is causing this problem.
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It is the Gcontactsync extension. I have this enabled all the time to sync my Thunderbird Contacts with my Gmail. The work around I have is to mainly keep this extension disabled. I will reenable it occasionally to sync up my contacts. Jim
On 12/01/2020, Jim O'Sullivan via Groups.Io <jimosu=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thanks Rene
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Re: FW: [win10] Edge 79: if your screen reader is having trouble working with web content shown in Edge...
Arlene
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From: Chikodinaka mr. Oguledo
Sent: January 12, 2020 10:34 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] Edge 79: if your screen reader is having trouble working with web content shown in Edge...
windos 7 will soon stop being supporting by Microsoft u need 2 get windos 10 and hier after Janurary 14 2019
On 1/13/20, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote: > > > > > From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee > via Groups.Io > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 10:25 PM > To: win10@win10.groups.io > Subject: [win10] Edge 79: if your screen reader is having trouble working > with web content shown in Edge... #ChromiumEdge > > > > Hi all, > > > > Someone reported on JFW list (hosted on Groups.IO) that the user cannot > interact with certain web content displayed in Edge 79 beta, along with a > thread on Win10 forum about inability to interact with web content shown in > Edge with other screen readers. This issue can be traced to the fact that, > in Edge 79 (upcoming stable version), UI Automation is enabled (several > reports were sent to Microsoft about this issue). Unfortunately, as an NVDA > core developer (not me) notes, UIA implementation in Chromium-based web > browsers (including Edge) isn't solid yet. > > > > To work around this for now, you need to disable UIA support in Edge and > other Chromium-based web browsers (if your browser exposes this option). To > do so in Edge 79: > > > > 1. Start new Microsoft Edge (not the old one). > 2. From address omnibox (Alt+D), type "edge://flags" (without quotes > and as exactly as shown) and press Enter. > 3. Type "UI Automation" into "search flags" and press Tab to move > through resulting content (no, DO NOT PRESS ENTER AFTER TYPING FLAGS!). > 4. Go to "Native UI Automation" combo box and select "disabled". > 5. Press Tab to go to "Restart" button and click it. > > > > Screen reader specifics: > > > > * Narrator: supports native UI Automation > * JAWS: works better with native UI Automation off > * NVDA: works better with UI Automation off and a fix is being > developed > * Other screen readers: contact vendors > > > > Cheers, > > Joseph > > > > > > >
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