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Re: abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Shaun Everiss
 

Hmmm, well its 189 bucks but yeah.

With all the accessible scanner solutions either in doubt or just not updated or in limbo, bar maybe text cloner which costs 50 or so dollars less than mainstream software.

Its another thing.

I know we as blind will find it better using specialised software, however I think in my opinion that if we want to try to get more software accessible and integrate a bit more into the sightling world that were we can we should use mainstream to a point.

If its not at all accessible, I understand but if it is accessible or at least usable and the company is receptive to us then I'd push for full access.

Its not going to make everyone help us or everything accessible.

Steam for example has variable access though its going chromium so that may change, to quite a lot of third party security tools and there may be more.

Access has come a long way mind you.

A lot of games are accessible.

And anything that has to do with reading, office documents and recognition seems to have stronger accessability than standard.

And while its not always the case, it seems to be the smaller the maker the more ready they are to change.

It would be nice if all the big companies were accessible but if not all the big, the small to medium stuff.

One thing I have noticed not just in fine reader, but other places, is the mentallity that if it works with jaws, then it works for everything.

And while that has been the case for a while, I am unsure if it still is.

Back when I did use jaws 6, I knew that like nvda it was heavily script driven.

However like older pre xp windows 98, where every bit of hardware needed a driver installed and you had to get a lot of those yourself, everything needed a thirdparty script at least thats what it felt like to me.

Probably not everything but I remember having to get scripts for things that in other readers I had like supernova didn't need scripts to even work properly if at all.

Never mind the licencing which again, was not the best, ie, home for windows home, pro for windows pro.

It didn't bring me more features, at least they seemed to have ditched that scheme now.



On 14/01/2020 7:53 am, Gene wrote:
You shouldn't, but it sure is nice to save eight or nine hundred dollars and get the current version.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Well its not exactly difficult, but its just I should be able to read the window is all.

Like I should be able to scroll the combo boxes in options and access the menus without delays.

I didn't have this issue on finereader version 12 to 14 as such though others I know say that some of the buttons had issues but I never had them so I can't really comment.



On 14/01/2020 7:38 am, Gene wrote:
If the window appears to be blank, what happens if you select all, then copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into Notepad?
 
In a very old version I used to use, my recollection is that if I did that, then scanned another page, new text replaced the old and I could add pages by copying and pasting.  It was a little extra work but if you are going to save eight or nine hundred dollars, its worth it.
 
I don't recall what was inconvenient or difficult to use regarding the recognized text in the window.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 10:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hi.

I am in discussons with abbyy  on the fine reader program.

Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do,

1.  do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling.

2.  is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and
are all things read.

3.  is the ocr editor working right and reading things.

In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy
want me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work.

Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info.

Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when
scroling.

When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to
be blank.

These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs
an addon.

Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write
addons maybe.
Re: abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Gene
 

However the user prefers, and that can be provided for in the choices, in a case like this, hearing some sort of verification is important.  If you are scanning a twenty page or a fifty page document, you shouldn't have to check the bottom of every new page to make sure it is different from the last page you added. 
 
Also, regarding me wanting to hear the words, I don't want to remember that this tone means this, and that tone means that.  Just hearing a word like copy, cut and paste doesn't take any amount of time that matters.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hmmm you know jean I am going to have to disagree with you.

I really concidder coppy and paste announcements to become after a while annoying for me to listen to.

As a compromise, I guess some tone would be fine especially if that could be customised.

Its why I am for some sort of event or theme manager in nvda with sound schemes like audiothemes but we can set up different events such as cut, copy paste, typing if we want, maybe have somethings that instead of speaking we get announcements.

Would be nice if we had haptic keyboards or mice or touchpads on desktops, that may work.

I do sometimes find to many spoken messages to be verbose and grating on my ears.

You may not however.



On 14/01/2020 7:52 am, Gene wrote:
I should add that its been a long time since I used that very old version.  I may be incorrect and you may have to delete the material before scanning new material.  You could probably cut it to the clipboard but if you are going to do that or the copy method, I would suggest that having Clip Speak is important.  You need verification of copy and paste so you can do these things with confidence.  You don't want to check every time you paste to be sure the correct material was pasted.  In short, if you hear that material is copied and then pasted, it will save time in checking the end of every page to make sure it is different from last time.  Just one more reason its long since time to have copy and paste announced as a part of NVDA. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

If the window appears to be blank, what happens if you select all, then copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into Notepad?
 
In a very old version I used to use, my recollection is that if I did that, then scanned another page, new text replaced the old and I could add pages by copying and pasting.  It was a little extra work but if you are going to save eight or nine hundred dollars, its worth it.
 
I don't recall what was inconvenient or difficult to use regarding the recognized text in the window.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 10:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hi.

I am in discussons with abbyy  on the fine reader program.

Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do,

1.  do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling.

2.  is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and
are all things read.

3.  is the ocr editor working right and reading things.

In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy
want me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work.

Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info.

Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when
scroling.

When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to
be blank.

These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs
an addon.

Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write
addons maybe.
Re: NVDA with Windows 10 Pe

John Isige
 

I don't have Windows PE, but Narrator can read a lot of Windows now. For
instance, if you have to do an install from scratch, or a reset,
Narrator can read that. It can't read the menu that let's you reset or
whatever, but once that's going, you can activate Narrator and get
feedback and select options and all. So the first thing I'd do, if I
were them, is boot the thing and see if Narrator comes up. I had to do a
Windows install a while back and I was able to boot the DVD or whatever
and do it myself, this only applies to Windows 10 of course.

On 1/13/2020 1:24 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi guys

I have been asked the following question below. I have not used the
program but some one else might of.


By the way has any one got a updated link to the images either the
link is timing out or broken to them.

he is after the windows 10 version or he might already have it?


Hi Gene,
Happy new year to you,
I thought you would be the best person to question on this one.
I’ve just taken on a new role and one of the things I should be doing
is reimaging computers
One of the tools used in this situation is to back up all data from
user folders etc with a tool called:
“Macrium”,
This product runs on a Windows 10 PE installation from a flash drive.
I did a quick search on / through Google
And it appears NVDA is able to work from / on Windows PE or at least
was able to back in mid 2019.
I just want to confirm that this is possible and if anyone within the
NVDA team might have suggestions on how to ensure things work correctly.
Thanks for any assistance you can provide.



Gene nz
Re: abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Shaun Everiss
 

Hmmm you know jean I am going to have to disagree with you.

I really concidder coppy and paste announcements to become after a while annoying for me to listen to.

As a compromise, I guess some tone would be fine especially if that could be customised.

Its why I am for some sort of event or theme manager in nvda with sound schemes like audiothemes but we can set up different events such as cut, copy paste, typing if we want, maybe have somethings that instead of speaking we get announcements.

Would be nice if we had haptic keyboards or mice or touchpads on desktops, that may work.

I do sometimes find to many spoken messages to be verbose and grating on my ears.

You may not however.



On 14/01/2020 7:52 am, Gene wrote:
I should add that its been a long time since I used that very old version.  I may be incorrect and you may have to delete the material before scanning new material.  You could probably cut it to the clipboard but if you are going to do that or the copy method, I would suggest that having Clip Speak is important.  You need verification of copy and paste so you can do these things with confidence.  You don't want to check every time you paste to be sure the correct material was pasted.  In short, if you hear that material is copied and then pasted, it will save time in checking the end of every page to make sure it is different from last time.  Just one more reason its long since time to have copy and paste announced as a part of NVDA. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

If the window appears to be blank, what happens if you select all, then copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into Notepad?
 
In a very old version I used to use, my recollection is that if I did that, then scanned another page, new text replaced the old and I could add pages by copying and pasting.  It was a little extra work but if you are going to save eight or nine hundred dollars, its worth it.
 
I don't recall what was inconvenient or difficult to use regarding the recognized text in the window.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 10:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hi.

I am in discussons with abbyy  on the fine reader program.

Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do,

1.  do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling.

2.  is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and
are all things read.

3.  is the ocr editor working right and reading things.

In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy
want me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work.

Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info.

Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when
scroling.

When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to
be blank.

These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs
an addon.

Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write
addons maybe.
NVDA with Windows 10 Pe

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi guys

I have been asked the following question below. I have not used the program but some one else might of.


By the way has any one got a updated link to the images either the link is timing out or broken to them.

he is after the windows 10 version or he might already have it?


Hi Gene,
Happy new year to you,
I thought you would be the best person to question on this one.
I’ve just taken on a new role and one of the things I should be doing is reimaging computers
One of the tools used in this situation is to back up all data from user folders etc with a tool called:
“Macrium”,
This product runs on a Windows 10 PE installation from a flash drive.
I did a quick search on / through Google
And it appears NVDA is able to work from / on Windows PE or at least was able to back in mid 2019.
I just want to confirm that this is possible and if anyone within the NVDA team might have suggestions on how to ensure things work correctly.
Thanks for any assistance you can provide.



Gene nz
Re: Chromium Based Microsoft Edge Beta

Governor staten
 

There should be something in the menu when there is an update available. If not, go to the menu and click "about". Not sure where exactly on that page it will be. It should be there if there is an update. It should automatically update.




On 1/13/2020 9:50 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

I have played with this new edge beta on and off for the past few months.  With the recent discussion on this list, I opened it and tried updating to the latest beta.  I don't see where you can do this in the beta.  Can you update an older beta-before 79, from within the browser itself?  If not, do you have to go to the web page to get the newest beta?

Thanks for any help.

Re: NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?

JM Casey
 

It’s been a while since I did this, but personally I download subtitles from a site like this one and read them on a braille display, since I want to hear the voices of the actors and not a synth. It is hard to keep up sometimees and there is no syncing with the video since I just read as a text file, but it’s doable, though sometimes you have to be a fast reader. Sighted people have this issue too though of not always being able to keep up with fast dialogue, even if they are at a bit of an advantage.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Oriana
Sent: January 12, 2020 3:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?

 

For various reasons, the subtitles for many English and foreign films are available at https://www.opensubtitles.org . Keep in mind that the subtitle standard is to record the speaker name for every line, but many publicly contributed subtitles simply don't. Timing can also be extremely frustrating.

 

On Sun, Jan 12, 2020, 3:03 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I suppose you could turn off the sound of the film and just read the subtitles.  But if you are going to do that, you might do much better, in terms of accessibility, to see if the script of the movie is available.  There are some sites that are completely useless such as Scriptorama, (spelling) because the person goes through all the trouble of transcribing script after script, and doesn't include any information such as who is speaking and the setting.  There are other sites that have full scripts, but you will get earlier drafts on some sites, not the final scripts and there may be important differences.  So be careful what the site tells you about the script.

 

Actually, as I think about it, it might be cumbersome, but using a script from Scriptorama, maybe you could use it to find passages that are unintelligible in the film and read them while stopping the film, then returning to the film.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 12:19 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?

 

Rob,

        I get what you're saying, but just imagine what it would be like to have the dialog, the background noise that's part of the scene, and synthesized subtitles all being churned out at the same time.

        I understand what you're trying to solve, but I don't think that adding "a third layer" that's also presented auditorily will actually do that.  I guess it can't hurt to try, if it's possible, but I suspect a "making it worse, not better" outcome.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in and out of favor.

         ~ Robert Frost, The Black Cottage (1914)

 

 
Re: ocr solutions

Gene
 

There is confusion on the subject.  There is an add-on to provide OCR for versions of Windows lower than Windows 10.  Windows 10 has its own OCr, so the add-on is no longer used. 
for purchase.
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: January 12, 2020 6:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

That's strange that it would be in 7 and not ten.
And no,  win 7 is not being discontinued, it is not being fully supported.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell
Sent: January-12-20 3:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

There is but it only runs on windows 7 which is going to be discontinued in 48 hours (two days). OCR in NVDA is built in on windows 10. If you try to do insert R desktop or caps lock R laptop and your laptop or desktop runs windows 7 it will say, Windows 10 OCR not available.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 12:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

Isn't there an ocr  addon  for nvda?


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: January-12-20 2:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

Hmph, another reason to maybe not use jaws, to be honest, if nvda could have some scanner addon which could use finereader engine and others I'd probably buy it, I mean I'd like a standalone program to but still.

It seems the best way forward is mainstream software then.

I'd like to know if those that use omnipage especially the later versions and the ultimate version especially find it better than abbyy or whatever.

I have a user staying on abyy 12 because its accessible, however, it means I am using older software which will probably go out of date.

There was a time 3 or so years back when the network relied on dragon naturally speaking and an offer/add came up from nuance about omnipage and a rediculous offer on ultimate but I never took that.



On 13/01/2020 9:05 am, Sky Mundell wrote:
> No they aren't they said they're now putting the OCR functions in JAWS.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Don H
> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 11:48 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions
>
> Open book hasn't been updated for years and I don't think that FS is
> planning on updating it any time soon.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Gene
 

You shouldn't, but it sure is nice to save eight or nine hundred dollars and get the current version.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Well its not exactly difficult, but its just I should be able to read the window is all.

Like I should be able to scroll the combo boxes in options and access the menus without delays.

I didn't have this issue on finereader version 12 to 14 as such though others I know say that some of the buttons had issues but I never had them so I can't really comment.



On 14/01/2020 7:38 am, Gene wrote:
If the window appears to be blank, what happens if you select all, then copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into Notepad?
 
In a very old version I used to use, my recollection is that if I did that, then scanned another page, new text replaced the old and I could add pages by copying and pasting.  It was a little extra work but if you are going to save eight or nine hundred dollars, its worth it.
 
I don't recall what was inconvenient or difficult to use regarding the recognized text in the window.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 10:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hi.

I am in discussons with abbyy  on the fine reader program.

Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do,

1.  do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling.

2.  is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and
are all things read.

3.  is the ocr editor working right and reading things.

In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy
want me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work.

Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info.

Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when
scroling.

When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to
be blank.

These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs
an addon.

Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write
addons maybe.
Re: abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Gene
 

I should add that its been a long time since I used that very old version.  I may be incorrect and you may have to delete the material before scanning new material.  You could probably cut it to the clipboard but if you are going to do that or the copy method, I would suggest that having Clip Speak is important.  You need verification of copy and paste so you can do these things with confidence.  You don't want to check every time you paste to be sure the correct material was pasted.  In short, if you hear that material is copied and then pasted, it will save time in checking the end of every page to make sure it is different from last time.  Just one more reason its long since time to have copy and paste announced as a part of NVDA. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

If the window appears to be blank, what happens if you select all, then copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into Notepad?
 
In a very old version I used to use, my recollection is that if I did that, then scanned another page, new text replaced the old and I could add pages by copying and pasting.  It was a little extra work but if you are going to save eight or nine hundred dollars, its worth it.
 
I don't recall what was inconvenient or difficult to use regarding the recognized text in the window.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 10:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hi.

I am in discussons with abbyy  on the fine reader program.

Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do,

1.  do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling.

2.  is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and
are all things read.

3.  is the ocr editor working right and reading things.

In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy
want me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work.

Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info.

Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when
scroling.

When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to
be blank.

These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs
an addon.

Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write
addons maybe.
Re: ocr solutions

JM Casey
 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: January 12, 2020 6:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

That's strange that it would be in 7 and not ten.
And no, win 7 is not being discontinued, it is not being fully supported.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell
Sent: January-12-20 3:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

There is but it only runs on windows 7 which is going to be discontinued in 48 hours (two days). OCR in NVDA is built in on windows 10. If you try to do insert R desktop or caps lock R laptop and your laptop or desktop runs windows 7 it will say, Windows 10 OCR not available.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 12:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

Isn't there an ocr addon for nvda?


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: January-12-20 2:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

Hmph, another reason to maybe not use jaws, to be honest, if nvda could have some scanner addon which could use finereader engine and others I'd probably buy it, I mean I'd like a standalone program to but still.

It seems the best way forward is mainstream software then.

I'd like to know if those that use omnipage especially the later versions and the ultimate version especially find it better than abbyy or whatever.

I have a user staying on abyy 12 because its accessible, however, it means I am using older software which will probably go out of date.

There was a time 3 or so years back when the network relied on dragon naturally speaking and an offer/add came up from nuance about omnipage and a rediculous offer on ultimate but I never took that.



On 13/01/2020 9:05 am, Sky Mundell wrote:
No they aren't they said they're now putting the OCR functions in JAWS.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Don H
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 11:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr solutions

Open book hasn't been updated for years and I don't think that FS is
planning on updating it any time soon.
Re: abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Shaun Everiss
 

Well its not exactly difficult, but its just I should be able to read the window is all.

Like I should be able to scroll the combo boxes in options and access the menus without delays.

I didn't have this issue on finereader version 12 to 14 as such though others I know say that some of the buttons had issues but I never had them so I can't really comment.



On 14/01/2020 7:38 am, Gene wrote:
If the window appears to be blank, what happens if you select all, then copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into Notepad?
 
In a very old version I used to use, my recollection is that if I did that, then scanned another page, new text replaced the old and I could add pages by copying and pasting.  It was a little extra work but if you are going to save eight or nine hundred dollars, its worth it.
 
I don't recall what was inconvenient or difficult to use regarding the recognized text in the window.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 10:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hi.

I am in discussons with abbyy  on the fine reader program.

Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do,

1.  do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling.

2.  is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and
are all things read.

3.  is the ocr editor working right and reading things.

In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy
want me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work.

Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info.

Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when
scroling.

When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to
be blank.

These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs
an addon.

Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write
addons maybe.
Re: ocr solutions

Shaun Everiss
 

Well I am thinking that there probably should be an addon for abbyy, but there are a lot of people making addons as it is.

I am still working with support on the abbyy issue.

Goes to show though that if it works with jaws and narator it doesn't mean it will necessarilly fully work with nvda.

On 14/01/2020 5:51 am, Chris Nestrud wrote:
I bought ABBYY FineReader Standard late last year. Accessibility is very
good, including hot keys for accessing most functions.
There are a couple places with focus issues; this could probably be
fixed with an add-on to reset focus in certain windows.

Chris
Re: abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Gene
 

If the window appears to be blank, what happens if you select all, then copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into Notepad?
 
In a very old version I used to use, my recollection is that if I did that, then scanned another page, new text replaced the old and I could add pages by copying and pasting.  It was a little extra work but if you are going to save eight or nine hundred dollars, its worth it.
 
I don't recall what was inconvenient or difficult to use regarding the recognized text in the window.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 10:06 AM
Subject: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hi.

I am in discussons with abbyy  on the fine reader program.

Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do,

1.  do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling.

2.  is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and
are all things read.

3.  is the ocr editor working right and reading things.

In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy
want me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work.

Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info.

Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when
scroling.

When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to
be blank.

These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs
an addon.

Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write
addons maybe.
Re: ocr solutions

Chris Nestrud
 

I bought ABBYY FineReader Standard late last year. Accessibility is very
good, including hot keys for accessing most functions.
There are a couple places with focus issues; this could probably be
fixed with an add-on to reset focus in certain windows.

Chris
Re: NVDA - Can it read the subtitles in movies?

Dzhovani
 

The KMPlayer has integration that allows for reading of textual subtitles. And yes, there is case for those people who are not english and cannot have everything translated to their languages with audio actors. And it is not ideal solution, but it works when there is no another way.
To set the kmplayer, open the player, press f2, find language and speech, find read with dictation and check read subtitles.
Warning, KMPlayer lately is a bloatware and tries to install all kinds of unnecessary stuff.
Re: abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Adriani Botez
 

The lag issue in menus is also visible in earlier versions of Finereader. You might want to share with the guys from aBBYY the coresponding issue on NVDA's github repository, where you can find a lot of useful discussions and fragments from log files.
The issue is
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5693

Best
Adriani

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Shaun
Everiss
Gesendet: Montag, 13. Januar 2020 17:07
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hi.

I am in discussons with abbyy on the fine reader program.

Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do,

1. do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling.

2. is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and are all
things read.

3. is the ocr editor working right and reading things.

In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy want
me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work.

Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info.

Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when scroling.

When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to be
blank.

These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs an
addon.

Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write
addons maybe.
Re: FW: [win10] Edge 79: if your screen reader is having trouble working with web content shown in Edge...

Shaun Everiss
 

Its worth noting that I have never had any uia issues with chrome standard however in edge thats another animal.

Also of interest, shortcuts to online office programs seem to have got added to the menus as part of edge.

Not sure if these are online or what but it took me a bit to kill them.

Lets hope that now chrome and microsoft and others are in direct competition that we can actually see all sides step up just that little bit higher.



On 14/01/2020 5:13 am, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

This mostly concerns browsers, and Slack might be affected if accessed from the web.

An important update: the workaround I described earlier no longer applies if using NVDA 2019.3 or later.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 7:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] Edge 79: if your screen reader is having trouble working with web content shown in Edge...

 

Any idea if Microsoft Teams app or Slack are effected by this transition to UIA?

For that matter, is there a way to check for apps like these that are using Chromium as their base?

Jonathan

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Monday, January 13, 2020 at 1:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] FW: [win10] Edge 79: if your screen reader is having trouble working with web content shown in Edge...

External email alert: Be wary of links & attachments.

 

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 10:25 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] Edge 79: if your screen reader is having trouble working with web content shown in Edge... #ChromiumEdge

 

Hi all,

 

Someone reported on JFW list (hosted on Groups.IO) that the user cannot interact with certain web content displayed in Edge 79 beta, along with a thread on Win10 forum about inability to interact with web content shown in Edge with other screen readers. This issue can be traced to the fact that, in Edge 79 (upcoming stable version), UI Automation is enabled (several reports were sent to Microsoft about this issue). Unfortunately, as an NVDA core developer (not me) notes, UIA implementation in Chromium-based web browsers (including Edge) isn’t solid yet.

 

To work around this for now, you need to disable UIA support in Edge and other Chromium-based web browsers (if your browser exposes this option). To do so in Edge 79:

 

  1. Start new Microsoft Edge (not the old one).
  2. >From address omnibox (Alt+D), type “edge://flags” (without quotes and as exactly as shown) and press Enter.
  3. Type “UI Automation” into “search flags” and press Tab to move through resulting content (no, DO NOT PRESS ENTER AFTER TYPING FLAGS!).
  4. Go to “Native UI Automation” combo box and select “disabled”.
  5. Press Tab to go to “Restart” button and click it.

 

Screen reader specifics:

 

  • Narrator: supports native UI Automation
  • JAWS: works better with native UI Automation off
  • NVDA: works better with UI Automation off and a fix is being developed
  • Other screen readers: contact vendors

 

Cheers,

Joseph
Re: FW: [win10] Edge 79: if your screen reader is having trouble working with web content shown in Edge...

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

This mostly concerns browsers, and Slack might be affected if accessed from the web.

An important update: the workaround I described earlier no longer applies if using NVDA 2019.3 or later.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cohn, Jonathan
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 7:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] Edge 79: if your screen reader is having trouble working with web content shown in Edge...

 

Any idea if Microsoft Teams app or Slack are effected by this transition to UIA?

For that matter, is there a way to check for apps like these that are using Chromium as their base?

Jonathan

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Monday, January 13, 2020 at 1:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] FW: [win10] Edge 79: if your screen reader is having trouble working with web content shown in Edge...

External email alert: Be wary of links & attachments.

 

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 10:25 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] Edge 79: if your screen reader is having trouble working with web content shown in Edge... #ChromiumEdge

 

Hi all,

 

Someone reported on JFW list (hosted on Groups.IO) that the user cannot interact with certain web content displayed in Edge 79 beta, along with a thread on Win10 forum about inability to interact with web content shown in Edge with other screen readers. This issue can be traced to the fact that, in Edge 79 (upcoming stable version), UI Automation is enabled (several reports were sent to Microsoft about this issue). Unfortunately, as an NVDA core developer (not me) notes, UIA implementation in Chromium-based web browsers (including Edge) isn’t solid yet.

 

To work around this for now, you need to disable UIA support in Edge and other Chromium-based web browsers (if your browser exposes this option). To do so in Edge 79:

 

  1. Start new Microsoft Edge (not the old one).
  2. From address omnibox (Alt+D), type “edge://flags” (without quotes and as exactly as shown) and press Enter.
  3. Type “UI Automation” into “search flags” and press Tab to move through resulting content (no, DO NOT PRESS ENTER AFTER TYPING FLAGS!).
  4. Go to “Native UI Automation” combo box and select “disabled”.
  5. Press Tab to go to “Restart” button and click it.

 

Screen reader specifics:

 

  • Narrator: supports native UI Automation
  • JAWS: works better with native UI Automation off
  • NVDA: works better with UI Automation off and a fix is being developed
  • Other screen readers: contact vendors

 

Cheers,

Joseph
abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Shaun Everiss
 

Hi.

I am in discussons with abbyy  on the fine reader program.

Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do,

1.  do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling.

2.  is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and are all things read.

3.  is the ocr editor working right and reading things.

In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy want me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work.

Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info.

Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when scroling.

When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to be blank.

These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs an addon.

Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write addons maybe.
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