This is all taking place with Windows10 and a recent
version of nvda.

I am attempting to run software that programs a brand of
portable two-way radio with operating frequencies and other
information the radios need to do useful work.

When running the software under Windows10, the first
thing one hears after the program starts is the words "Tree View."

More often than not, it is very tough to make anything
else happen.  One can press the 5 key on the number pad when
Numlock is off and also hear "Tree View" there but most of the
keyboard just dies although nvda echos the key presses so the
system is processing the scan codes.  They just don't do anything
much.  Forget the usual up and down arrows and Tab presses.

It's just try this and press that and on odd occasions,
the tree view opens and one can hear the various headings inside.

You can also hear them if you randomly move the mouse and
happen to collide with the right portion of the screen but oddly
enough, clicking either mouse button only occasionally yields
something.

Usually, the amount of fiddling is so great that I am not
sure exactly what opened the tree view but when it is open, Up,
Down, Left and Right arrows collapse and expand certain fields so
things are not totally dead.

It is as if the writers of this rotten code left out
whatever standard structures exist these days to make most
software accessible.

I can get the name of the software if anybody wants to
play with it as it is a free download from the Radiodity web site
and it appears to startup and run even if you do not have one of
the radios connected to your computer but there probably is a
specific deficiency that many different applications have that
this whole syndrome describes so I am hoping there is some way to
beat this monster in to submission as I have one of the radios
that needs programming and my worst fears seem to be validated.

One person suggested I need a popular Windows screen
reader along with some add-on scripts that should make it work.
It probably would work but spending $1200 to program 1
seventy-five-Dollar radio is ludicrous.  One can find somebody else
to do it but we amateur radio operators constantly are changing
things so it is important to be able to do this one's self.

Any constructive suggestions are welcome.

Martin McCormick WB5AGZ

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pele West
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2020 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Excel and VBa 2010 Questions

Hi Cearbhall

Thank you so much for writing.

1. After I wrote my message I reloaded NVDA and the list of sheets appeared.

2. I do have the screen maximised. I know the code is there because I can
see it when I use Window-Eyes. The disappearing code seems to hapenn whether
or not I have 1 or lots of modules loaded.

3. This is an intermittent problem. If I launch Excel from Windows Explorer,
Excel opens in the selected workbook, then I am not able to change focus to
Windows Explorer, even though, when I press <Alt Tab> NVDA says it has
changed to Windows Explorer. NVDA also makes the sound which means something
is wrong.
I suspect this is a MicroSoft rather than an NVDA problem. I just included
it as I was asking my other questions.

I am upgrading to Windows 10 shortly and will not be able to resort to my
trusty Window-Eyes any more.

Pele

On Mon, 13 Jan 2020 21:04:53 -0000
"Cearbhall O'Meadhra" <cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie> wrote:

Hi Pele,

My answers are indicated with the letter "A:" following your original
questions.

1. What is the trick in NVDA to go to a specific worksheet in a workbook?
I have a workbook containing nearly 150 worksheets and would like to
activate a sheet using its name. I can press <NVDA+F7> to bring up the
elements list and can see Worksheets, but it does not show me a list
of sheets.
A: Tab twice after you see 2Worksheets" and you will have all the
sheets listed there. Press the first letter of the desired worksheet
if you know its name.


2. Is there a way to stop VBA 2010 missing out lines in my code? I
seem to be able to find the line I want and then it disappears.
A: "Disappears"?
2.1. Have you maximised the screen?
2.2. Have you more than one module in the VBA editor? Try pressing
control+tab to see if the code comes back.
3. Try using NVDA+control +F to search the VBA script and see if your
code is thee.
2.4. Test to see if all your code is present by pressing
control+shift+end from the top of the document and copy the
highlighted text to Notepad++ and see if the text is actually present.

3. Recently Excel 2010 has been acting very strangely. If I am looking
at a worksheet or VBA macro and switch to another program it does not
appear to access it although the title bar says it has focus. The only
way I can resolve the situation is to close everything down.Can anyone

advise?

A: I'm not sure what you mean here. Is it that the other program
cannot be accessed or that you cannot return to the Excel screen?
Could yo clarify your meaning here?
3.1. Try maximising the Excel screen when you return to it.
3.2. Press the left alt key twice to refresh the NVDA focus and see if
that brings up the details of the screen.


All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e:
cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie

I don't have any excel and such files but if it fails with dropbox you can test it with keybase and see if i fails there, if it does not move all of your stuff there.

Blessings

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.

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On 13 Jan 2020, at 15:24, Robert Kingett wrote:

It's happened to me so many times with excel and Word documents I moved all of my documents over to OneDrive. Now, the only things I have in my DropBox are shared folders and my portable apps like Thunderbird and Miranda NG and stuff. It's become such an annoyance I moved, for now, but have been trying to find an accessibility email to DropBox. No such luck, yet.

On 13 Jan 2020, at 15:24, Robert Kingett wrote:

It's happened to me so many times with excel and Word documents I moved all of my documents over to OneDrive. Now, the only things I have in my DropBox are shared folders and my portable apps like Thunderbird and Miranda NG and stuff. It's become such an annoyance I moved, for now, but have been trying to find an accessibility email to DropBox. No such luck, yet.

It's happened to me so many times with excel and Word documents I moved all of my documents over to OneDrive. Now, the only things I have in my DropBox are shared folders and my portable apps like Thunderbird and Miranda NG and stuff. It's become such an annoyance I moved, for now, but have been trying to find an accessibility email to DropBox. No such luck, yet.

Hi all,

 

For the first time today, when I went into my Dropbox area using NVDA, and opened up a Word file, The usual text I hear when opening these files was interrupted by a message saying: “Dropbox Window”. I suspect this is probably a problem with Dropbox rather than with NVDA, but short of copying the file out of the DB area, can anyone suggest a solution? It would also be helpful to find out exactly what is causing this.

 

Someone on another list has highlighted this problem too, and says it seems to happen when opening Word or Excel files but not with other editable file types, such as plain text.

 

Thanks,

Clive

 

 

From: Clive Lever
Sent: 13 January 2020 22:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Dropbox interfering with NVDA when reading Word files

 

Hi all,

 

For the first time today, when I went into my Dropbox area using NVDA, and opened up a Word file, The usual text I hear when opening these files was interrupted by a message saying: “Dropbox Window”. I suspect this is probably a problem with Dropbox rather than with NVDA, but short of copying the file out of the DB area, can anyone suggest a solution? It would also be helpful to find out exactly what is causing this.

 

Someone on another list has highlighted this problem too, and says it seems to happen when opening Word or Excel files but not with other editable file types, such as plain text.

 

Thanks,

Clive

 

 

On 14/01/2020 10:04 am, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Hi Pele,

My answers are indicated with the letter "A:" following your original
questions.

1. What is the trick in NVDA to go to a specific worksheet in a workbook?
I have a workbook containing nearly 150 worksheets and would like to
activate a sheet using its name. I can press <NVDA+F7> to bring up the
elements list and can see Worksheets, but it does not show me a list of
sheets.
A: Tab twice after you see 2Worksheets" and you will have all the sheets
listed there. Press the first letter of the desired worksheet if you know
its name.


2. Is there a way to stop VBA 2010 missing out lines in my code? I seem to
be able to find the line I want and then it disappears.
A: "Disappears"?
2.1. Have you maximised the screen?
2.2. Have you more than one module in the VBA editor? Try pressing
control+tab to see if the code comes back.
3. Try using NVDA+control +F to search the VBA script and see if your code
is thee.
2.4. Test to see if all your code is present by pressing control+shift+end
from the top of the document and copy the highlighted text to Notepad++ and
see if the text is actually present.

3. Recently Excel 2010 has been acting very strangely. If I am looking at a
worksheet or VBA macro and switch to another program it does not appear to
access it although the title bar says it has focus. The only way I can
resolve the situation is to close everything down.Can anyone advise?
A: I'm not sure what you mean here. Is it that the other program cannot be
accessed or that you cannot return to the Excel screen? Could yo clarify
your meaning here?
3.1. Try maximising the Excel screen when you return to it.
3.2. Press the left alt key twice to refresh the NVDA focus and see if that
brings up the details of the screen.


All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie

I actually work faster with sound not speach. I would if I could speak in sound alone as my brain processes sound way way faster than speach, it always has. I'm weird but ther you go.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.

to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 13 Jan 2020, at 11:43, Gene wrote:

However the user prefers, and that can be provided for in the choices, in a case like this, hearing some sort of verification is important.  If you are scanning a twenty page or a fifty page document, you shouldn't have to check the bottom of every new page to make sure it is different from the last page you added. 

 

Also, regarding me wanting to hear the words, I don't want to remember that this tone means this, and that tone means that.  Just hearing a word like copy, cut and paste doesn't take any amount of time that matters.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss

Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 1:33 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hmmm you know jean I am going to have to disagree with you.

I really concidder coppy and paste announcements to become after a while annoying for me to listen to.

As a compromise, I guess some tone would be fine especially if that could be customised.

Its why I am for some sort of event or theme manager in nvda with sound schemes like audiothemes but we can set up different events such as cut, copy paste, typing if we want, maybe have somethings that instead of speaking we get announcements.

Would be nice if we had haptic keyboards or mice or touchpads on desktops, that may work.

I do sometimes find to many spoken messages to be verbose and grating on my ears.

You may not however.

On 14/01/2020 7:52 am, Gene wrote:

I should add that its been a long time since I used that very old version.  I may be incorrect and you may have to delete the material before scanning new material.  You could probably cut it to the clipboard but if you are going to do that or the copy method, I would suggest that having Clip Speak is important.  You need verification of copy and paste so you can do these things with confidence.  You don't want to check every time you paste to be sure the correct material was pasted.  In short, if you hear that material is copied and then pasted, it will save time in checking the end of every page to make sure it is different from last time.  Just one more reason its long since time to have copy and paste announced as a part of NVDA. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 12:38 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

If the window appears to be blank, what happens if you select all, then copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into Notepad?

 

In a very old version I used to use, my recollection is that if I did that, then scanned another page, new text replaced the old and I could add pages by copying and pasting.  It was a little extra work but if you are going to save eight or nine hundred dollars, its worth it.

 

I don't recall what was inconvenient or difficult to use regarding the recognized text in the window.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss

Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 10:06 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hi.

I am in discussons with abbyy  on the fine reader program.

Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do,

1.  do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling.

2.  is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and
are all things read.

3.  is the ocr editor working right and reading things.

In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy
want me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work.

Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info.

Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when
scroling.

When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to
be blank.

These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs
an addon.

Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write
addons maybe.

On 13 Jan 2020, at 11:43, Gene wrote:

However the user prefers, and that can be provided for in the choices, in a case like this, hearing some sort of verification is important.  If you are scanning a twenty page or a fifty page document, you shouldn't have to check the bottom of every new page to make sure it is different from the last page you added. 

 

Also, regarding me wanting to hear the words, I don't want to remember that this tone means this, and that tone means that.  Just hearing a word like copy, cut and paste doesn't take any amount of time that matters.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss

Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 1:33 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hmmm you know jean I am going to have to disagree with you.

I really concidder coppy and paste announcements to become after a while annoying for me to listen to.

As a compromise, I guess some tone would be fine especially if that could be customised.

Its why I am for some sort of event or theme manager in nvda with sound schemes like audiothemes but we can set up different events such as cut, copy paste, typing if we want, maybe have somethings that instead of speaking we get announcements.

Would be nice if we had haptic keyboards or mice or touchpads on desktops, that may work.

I do sometimes find to many spoken messages to be verbose and grating on my ears.

You may not however.

On 14/01/2020 7:52 am, Gene wrote:

I should add that its been a long time since I used that very old version.  I may be incorrect and you may have to delete the material before scanning new material.  You could probably cut it to the clipboard but if you are going to do that or the copy method, I would suggest that having Clip Speak is important.  You need verification of copy and paste so you can do these things with confidence.  You don't want to check every time you paste to be sure the correct material was pasted.  In short, if you hear that material is copied and then pasted, it will save time in checking the end of every page to make sure it is different from last time.  Just one more reason its long since time to have copy and paste announced as a part of NVDA. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 12:38 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

If the window appears to be blank, what happens if you select all, then copy it to the clipboard, and paste it into Notepad?

 

In a very old version I used to use, my recollection is that if I did that, then scanned another page, new text replaced the old and I could add pages by copying and pasting.  It was a little extra work but if you are going to save eight or nine hundred dollars, its worth it.

 

I don't recall what was inconvenient or difficult to use regarding the recognized text in the window.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss

Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 10:06 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] abbyy fine reader 15 issues

Hi.

I am in discussons with abbyy  on the fine reader program.

Can someone else test the latest v15 please, the trial will do,

1.  do the combo boxes in options not read when scroling.

2.  is there a delay on all the menus in particular the file menu and
are all things read.

3.  is the ocr editor working right and reading things.

In my case the file menu delays in both nvda and narator of course abyy
want me to use jaws which I won't be doing, though narator does work.

Options do read though narator does speak a lot of extra info.

Nvda reads the options but you have to tab and shift tab a bit when
scroling.

When I have used the ocr editor the main window where text is seems to
be blank.

These may be spaciffic nvda issues and how it interacts, maybe it needs
an addon.

Maybe after we switch over to 2019.3 I may look into seeing how to write
addons maybe.