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Re: Reader mode in Chrome?

Oriana
 

That seems odd. Is your Firefox up to date? Also, what website are you having difficulty saving?


On Sun, Jan 26, 2020, 10:31 PM zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
i disable javascript most of the times in my firefox.
also, i could not open and read any pdf files with javascript disabled.

On 1/27/20, Oriana <o.neulinger@...> wrote:
> What is the page being referred to? it could be that the site has some kind
> of JavaScript interfering with the save protocol. Can your offline reading
> program read text from PDFs, because if so some kind of print-to-pdf
> function might be a useful workaround for this site specifically.
>
> On Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 9:37 PM zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
>
>> i did not understand how can i save web page in html only when using
>> reader mode.
>> i selected
>> Save Page As…   Ctrl+S
>> as its shortcut ControlS, both method dont work and have the same
>> effect, just a blank page!
>>
>> On 1/26/20, ADRIAN POCOCK <ampbeast@...> wrote:
>> > In reader mode in firefox if you try to save the page it will turn out
>> to be
>> > blank.
>> >
>> >
>> > Instead try being on the page of interest, hit file menu and save page
>> > as
>> > and choose second option as the file format.  This when loaded will
>> retain
>> > all usable parts of the webpage.
>> >
>> > On 24/01/2020 02:07, zahra wrote:
>> >
>> > how about firefox?
>> > i wish to save my pages as html only in reader mode.
>> >
>> > On 1/24/20, ADRIAN POCOCK <ampbeast@...><mailto:
>> ampbeast@...>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Try just read or mercury reader.  Just reader when you right click on
>> page
>> > and save as it allows single html which is read by nvda.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> By God,
>> were I given all the seven heavens
>> with all they contain
>> in order that
>> I may disobey God
>> by depriving an ant
>> from the husk of a grain of barley,
>> I would not do it.
>> imam ali
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali




I'm having problems when i use nvda together with nativeaccess.

David Ingram
 

The problems that i'm having when using nvda together with nativeaccess are the following: 1. I'm unable to get any response when I use the keystroke b. Second, when I use the tab key nothing happens. Third when I use the insert+r command inorder to do a scan I don't get anything after the scan command. I'm using the latest version of windows 10 The newer version of nvda has not been released yet. Not to mention, that i'm unable to find the update all button when using nvda together with nativeaccess. I've also tried to activate the different buttons using the insert+2 on the numpad but nothing happens. Also I thaught that if I use insert+enter on the numpad that would activate the buttons but nothing happens. Is there something else that I could be missing in terms of these commands. I can be reached at dingram269@.... I've also downloaded the remote access tool for nvda just in case someone wanted to remote into my computer to take a look at how nvda works together with nativeaccess. I'm trying to see if nvaccess.org would be able to assist in helping to correctany problems that i'm having when I use nvda together with nativeaccess. Thank you for any information that you might have as to how I can solve these problems.


Re: Reader mode in Chrome?

 

i disable javascript most of the times in my firefox.
also, i could not open and read any pdf files with javascript disabled.

On 1/27/20, Oriana <@orineu> wrote:
What is the page being referred to? it could be that the site has some kind
of JavaScript interfering with the save protocol. Can your offline reading
program read text from PDFs, because if so some kind of print-to-pdf
function might be a useful workaround for this site specifically.

On Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 9:37 PM zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

i did not understand how can i save web page in html only when using
reader mode.
i selected
Save Page As… Ctrl+S
as its shortcut ControlS, both method dont work and have the same
effect, just a blank page!

On 1/26/20, ADRIAN POCOCK <ampbeast@...> wrote:
In reader mode in firefox if you try to save the page it will turn out
to be
blank.


Instead try being on the page of interest, hit file menu and save page
as
and choose second option as the file format. This when loaded will
retain
all usable parts of the webpage.

On 24/01/2020 02:07, zahra wrote:

how about firefox?
i wish to save my pages as html only in reader mode.

On 1/24/20, ADRIAN POCOCK <ampbeast@...><mailto:
ampbeast@...>
wrote:


Try just read or mercury reader. Just reader when you right click on
page
and save as it allows single html which is read by nvda.













--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali





--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: nvda in safe mode

Martin McCormick
 

The radio programming data are kept in an
off-system box. It's the radio. You connect a USB cable from
the programming socket on the radio to the usb port and tell the
programming software to "read" and voila, you've got a new
configuration. You then type Alt+f and click "save". That's the
standard Windows file utility and it saves to whatever you named
it.

I am kind of surprised you mentioned Linux because that
is exactly what I had in mind if everything else fails to pan
out.

Most Linux distributions these days are accessible such
as ubuntu and debian as well as talking arch, etc. The speech
synthesizer is called speakup and used to also be the voice of
nvda, for better or worse.

The PC I tried to murder is new as of last February 9 so
if a CDROM of Linux doesn't work, a bootable thumb drive just
may.

I wasn't going to talk about that because that is even
further afield but that is also potentially dangerous and I don't
advise anyone to try this as their first unix experience.

FAT32 file systems mount properly under unix and if all
you do is copy files, that will work. When you have a FAT32
system mounted in unix, the rules for case, file naming and other
behaviors are pure FAT32, not unix. In unix, splat.exe,
Splat.exe, SPLAT.exe SpLAT.EXE and any other combination of case
refer to 5 different files. I believe in Windows, if you did
that, they'd all overwrite each other so the last one is the
only one that survives.

Anyway, thanks to all and I'll take this to the win10 list when I
get signed up.

Thanks to all for your patience and for good discussion.

I'm also going to order that Seagate backup server for
my Mac and this PC. I just got careless and here we are.

I will let everybody know how I recovered the files when
that happens.

Martin McCormick

"Oriana" <@orineu> writes:

Martin,

Unfortunately you will most likely have to use "forensic" methods of file
recovery in order to recover the radio programming data. Similar to unix,
using the command line to delete files in Windows bypasses the recycle
bin.
I don't think there's a security overwrite, however, unless you use a
third-party program. The good news is that a live-boot forensic recovery
program (or data recovery program as we've been referring to it) should
also be able to restore the missing system files, although if that fails
you will need to prepare to reinstall Windows.

File recovery software will work regardless of which drive the files are
in, and it will recover whatever has not been overwritten, exactly the way
it was at deletion, not at some point in the past during the last backup
point. If there was any kind of "security overwrite", only a magnetic hard
drive scanner would be able to recover the files, and those are too
expensive for mainstream use - my original recommendation for a certified
PC repair expert becomes the only option for recovery at that point, and
even then, not every PC repair place will have such a device. The
manufacturer would be another good point of reference, possibly able to
recommend a third party repair even if the PC is not under warranty.

For programs that can be used to recover the files:

I've mentioned CCleaner's Recuva, but that's a windows program and I'm
uncertain as to how to even live boot into a windows environment,
regardless of accessibility. As you already have familiarity with unix,
perhaps building a rescue drive using something like Vinux, Sonar, or
Talking Arch flavors of Linux, which are optimized for screen-reading and
braille displays, would be a good starting point for recovery, as you
could
then use any Linux industry standard file recovery programs, which are, to
my understanding, more powerful than windows-based ones anyway.


Re: Reader mode in Chrome?

Oriana
 

What is the page being referred to? it could be that the site has some kind of JavaScript interfering with the save protocol. Can your offline reading program read text from PDFs, because if so some kind of print-to-pdf function might be a useful workaround for this site specifically.


On Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 9:37 PM zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
i did not understand how can i save web page in html only when using
reader mode.
i selected
Save Page As…   Ctrl+S
as its shortcut ControlS, both method dont work and have the same
effect, just a blank page!

On 1/26/20, ADRIAN POCOCK <ampbeast@...> wrote:
> In reader mode in firefox if you try to save the page it will turn out to be
> blank.
>
>
> Instead try being on the page of interest, hit file menu and save page as
> and choose second option as the file format.  This when loaded will retain
> all usable parts of the webpage.
>
> On 24/01/2020 02:07, zahra wrote:
>
> how about firefox?
> i wish to save my pages as html only in reader mode.
>
> On 1/24/20, ADRIAN POCOCK <ampbeast@...><mailto:ampbeast@...>
> wrote:
>
>
> Try just read or mercury reader.  Just reader when you right click on page
> and save as it allows single html which is read by nvda.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali




Re: can't play an internet station using waterfox

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

That’s neat.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Arlene
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 5:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

I got it to play using Chrome. It worked.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: January 25, 2020 8:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I found this new station called the grid FM and tried to play it using waterfox. I think there's something blocking the site but I don't know what it is. Any ideas?

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

 


Re: can't play an internet station using waterfox

Arlene
 

I got it to play using Chrome. It worked.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: January 25, 2020 8:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I found this new station called the grid FM and tried to play it using waterfox. I think there's something blocking the site but I don't know what it is. Any ideas?

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 


Re: Station Playlist Studio Tutorials Using NVDA (Audio)

Roger Stewart
 

There is one several years old called The Mushroom FM Guide To Internet Broadcasting which really helped me get going. It is for JAWS, but all the concepts work just fine with NVDA. There is also another one done by Joseph Lee specifically for the NVDA add on but it is also many years out of date. What is there is still fine, but there have been many features added to the add on since this was done. These should do a basic job of getting you going though.

Roger












On 1/26/2020 3:23 PM, VIAS, ARMANDO wrote:
Hello guys,

Is there an audio tutorial on Station Playlist Studio? I’m testing out a new radio station, and I got it to work on Station Playlist Studio with Live365. Butm there are a lot of things to learn about the program as well.

Hope to hear from you soon.

Armando Vias
Owner of The Blind Advocate Network
Email: avias@...
“Getting advocacy results for the blind.”



Re: Web Capture

David Goldfield
 

Rumola's extension did stop working with Firefox when Firefox switched to Quantum with version 57. For a while their link to the Chrome Web store may have been broken but it seems to be operational now.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 1/26/2020 8:05 PM, Gene wrote:

I thought Rumola had stopped operation.  Evidently, it is still in business.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Capture

For Google Chrome and Chromium based browsers I use Rumola for solving captcha challenges. Signing up with a Rumola account is not the most intuitive process but it's well worth it. The service provides five free solves but the pricing for additional solves is very reasonable, something like $.99 for fifty and $1.99 for 100.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 1/26/2020 6:28 AM, Gene wrote:
The only one is for older versions of Firefox.  You can download it and see instructions for installing it on this page:
https://www.blindbargains.com/bargains.php?m=15142
 
As far as Firefox goes, if you use an old version of Firefox portable, you can continue to use your current version of Firefox for general browsing and use Firefox portable for sites you want to solve captchas with.  I know the last version you can use with Webvisum is Firefox 52ESR.  You can download the portable version here:
https://portableapps.com/downloading/?a=FirefoxPortableLegacy52&n=Mozilla%20Firefox,%20Portable%20Edition%20Legacy%20%2052&s=s&p=&d=pa&f=FirefoxPortableLegacy52_52.9.0_English.paf.exe
 
Run the installer.  It is a portable version so it won't put anything on your machine but the program.  Open the folder where the program is, and find the exe file.  Press enter and the program will run.  Make a shortcut on the desktop and assign a shortcut key for convenient running.
Probably just typing f once in the folder will take you to the exe file.
 
Before you use Webvisum, you will have to set up an account on the Webvisum site:
https://www.webvisum.com/
 
At some point, you will have to ask on list for an invitation.  The site isn't monitored by the developer any longer and you can't get an invitation there.
 
Gene
 

Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 5:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Capture

I need a n v d a. addon for captcha

On 1/26/20, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> CAPTCHA Be Gone is no longer available.  Webvisum works with old versions of
> Firefox, if you want to try it.  I can provide more information if you are
> interested.  I don't know if it will work with the captchas you want to
> solve.  And the name is c a p t c h a, not capture.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Chikodinaka mr. Oguledo
> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 4:42 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Capture
>
>
> captcha begone nvdaNVDA. style or a addOn my viewpoint Please tell
> NVDA addon maniger josofe leee
>
> On 1/26/20, Stephen <whocrazy@...> wrote:
>> I've encountered something like this on the steam platform.  It's
>> horrible.
>> At 04:32 PM 1/26/2020, you wrote:
>>>Something that is NVDA friendly and will read those pesky things
>>>which you are expected to enter as a response on a webpage to prove
>>>you are a genuine person and not some form of robot.
>>>There was once something called Rumola or some such.
>>>One of the major probs is that the capture graphic or whatever it is
>>>only inhabits the screen for a short time.
>>>Any ideas?
>>>Andrea
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>



Re: Web Capture

Gene
 

I thought Rumola had stopped operation.  Evidently, it is still in business.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Capture

For Google Chrome and Chromium based browsers I use Rumola for solving captcha challenges. Signing up with a Rumola account is not the most intuitive process but it's well worth it. The service provides five free solves but the pricing for additional solves is very reasonable, something like $.99 for fifty and $1.99 for 100.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 1/26/2020 6:28 AM, Gene wrote:
The only one is for older versions of Firefox.  You can download it and see instructions for installing it on this page:
https://www.blindbargains.com/bargains.php?m=15142
 
As far as Firefox goes, if you use an old version of Firefox portable, you can continue to use your current version of Firefox for general browsing and use Firefox portable for sites you want to solve captchas with.  I know the last version you can use with Webvisum is Firefox 52ESR.  You can download the portable version here:
https://portableapps.com/downloading/?a=FirefoxPortableLegacy52&n=Mozilla%20Firefox,%20Portable%20Edition%20Legacy%20%2052&s=s&p=&d=pa&f=FirefoxPortableLegacy52_52.9.0_English.paf.exe
 
Run the installer.  It is a portable version so it won't put anything on your machine but the program.  Open the folder where the program is, and find the exe file.  Press enter and the program will run.  Make a shortcut on the desktop and assign a shortcut key for convenient running.
Probably just typing f once in the folder will take you to the exe file.
 
Before you use Webvisum, you will have to set up an account on the Webvisum site:
https://www.webvisum.com/
 
At some point, you will have to ask on list for an invitation.  The site isn't monitored by the developer any longer and you can't get an invitation there.
 
Gene
 

Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 5:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Capture

I need a n v d a. addon for captcha

On 1/26/20, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> CAPTCHA Be Gone is no longer available.  Webvisum works with old versions of
> Firefox, if you want to try it.  I can provide more information if you are
> interested.  I don't know if it will work with the captchas you want to
> solve.  And the name is c a p t c h a, not capture.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Chikodinaka mr. Oguledo
> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 4:42 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Capture
>
>
> captcha begone nvdaNVDA. style or a addOn my viewpoint Please tell
> NVDA addon maniger josofe leee
>
> On 1/26/20, Stephen <whocrazy@...> wrote:
>> I've encountered something like this on the steam platform.  It's
>> horrible.
>> At 04:32 PM 1/26/2020, you wrote:
>>>Something that is NVDA friendly and will read those pesky things
>>>which you are expected to enter as a response on a webpage to prove
>>>you are a genuine person and not some form of robot.
>>>There was once something called Rumola or some such.
>>>One of the major probs is that the capture graphic or whatever it is
>>>only inhabits the screen for a short time.
>>>Any ideas?
>>>Andrea
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>



Re: nvda in safe mode

 

On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 06:52 PM, Oriana wrote:
I apologize for contributing to the stray. I get focused on solving a problem and don't even realize it's not the right place for it.
S'alright.  It happens occasionally.  I'm just eternally grateful when participants realize it's happened and seek out other venues.

By the way, if you're a Linux geek who wants to do file recovery, even from a drive that was running under Windows, have a look at ddrescue.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: Web Capture

David Goldfield
 

For Google Chrome and Chromium based browsers I use Rumola for solving captcha challenges. Signing up with a Rumola account is not the most intuitive process but it's well worth it. The service provides five free solves but the pricing for additional solves is very reasonable, something like $.99 for fifty and $1.99 for 100.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 1/26/2020 6:28 AM, Gene wrote:

The only one is for older versions of Firefox.  You can download it and see instructions for installing it on this page:
https://www.blindbargains.com/bargains.php?m=15142
 
As far as Firefox goes, if you use an old version of Firefox portable, you can continue to use your current version of Firefox for general browsing and use Firefox portable for sites you want to solve captchas with.  I know the last version you can use with Webvisum is Firefox 52ESR.  You can download the portable version here:
https://portableapps.com/downloading/?a=FirefoxPortableLegacy52&n=Mozilla%20Firefox,%20Portable%20Edition%20Legacy%20%2052&s=s&p=&d=pa&f=FirefoxPortableLegacy52_52.9.0_English.paf.exe
 
Run the installer.  It is a portable version so it won't put anything on your machine but the program.  Open the folder where the program is, and find the exe file.  Press enter and the program will run.  Make a shortcut on the desktop and assign a shortcut key for convenient running.
Probably just typing f once in the folder will take you to the exe file.
 
Before you use Webvisum, you will have to set up an account on the Webvisum site:
https://www.webvisum.com/
 
At some point, you will have to ask on list for an invitation.  The site isn't monitored by the developer any longer and you can't get an invitation there.
 
Gene
 

Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 5:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Capture

I need a n v d a. addon for captcha

On 1/26/20, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> CAPTCHA Be Gone is no longer available.  Webvisum works with old versions of
> Firefox, if you want to try it.  I can provide more information if you are
> interested.  I don't know if it will work with the captchas you want to
> solve.  And the name is c a p t c h a, not capture.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Chikodinaka mr. Oguledo
> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 4:42 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Web Capture
>
>
> captcha begone nvdaNVDA. style or a addOn my viewpoint Please tell
> NVDA addon maniger josofe leee
>
> On 1/26/20, Stephen <whocrazy@...> wrote:
>> I've encountered something like this on the steam platform.  It's
>> horrible.
>> At 04:32 PM 1/26/2020, you wrote:
>>>Something that is NVDA friendly and will read those pesky things
>>>which you are expected to enter as a response on a webpage to prove
>>>you are a genuine person and not some form of robot.
>>>There was once something called Rumola or some such.
>>>One of the major probs is that the capture graphic or whatever it is
>>>only inhabits the screen for a short time.
>>>Any ideas?
>>>Andrea
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>



Re: nvda in safe mode

Gene
 

I want to clarify and explain a few points.  This will probably be my last message in the thread because I've probably said all I have to say on the subject.
 
First, when you talk about System restore, are you talking about running a restore point or using previous versions?  I'm not advocating using previous versions first if you want to try to get back some files that are there and some that aren't.  In that case, you should use a file recovery program and then use Previous versions if the file recovery program doesn't recover some files that Previous versions has.  But considering how lax so many people are at backing things up, it is important that they know about it. 
 
Shadow copy can be valuable aside from restoring files. Let's say someone backs up files by making disk images.  You can't look at individual files in a disk image.  If the person wants to look at a previous version of something such as a document, but she has saved newer copies and no longer has the older version  in her current files, the person can look at it using previous versions.  You can open the file from current versions without restoring it.  So you can easily compare the two versions.  You can have both opened if you wish. 
 
Shadow copy shouldn't be used as a way to avoid backing things up.  it isn't a backup.  But it is one more feature that may be useful and that people should know about, though most people don't.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From-: Oriana
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda in safe mode

Gene,

This is definitely a ymmv situation. I've attempted to use system restore to recover files before, as you keep advising, and not only did it not work, it wrote over the data so i was unable to use any other non-hardware-based recovery option - the box was not checked by default on that PC. If you know shadow copies exist, then they might work for you, but if there is any uncertainty, do not attempt system restore or any method that requires downloads or hard drive writes until backup is complete. That is my personal experience.



On Sun, Jan 26, 2020, 5:56 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Shadow copy isn't a backup, but it is a part of system restore and it does allow recovery of deleted files or access to earlier versions, if desired.  I can use Shadow Copy to open a file that is an earlier version without restoring it.  it can be opened directly from where it is in Shadow Copy. 
 
I am not advocating using it instead of a backup.  But it is a very useful feature.  I once deleted something the day after I recorded it because I didn't think I needed it any longer.  I found that I had been wrong and I was able to recover it with Shadow Copy because, fortunately, System Restore had made a restore point while it was on the disk.  I hadn't backed it up because I erroneously thought I had already edited it and saved and backed up the edited version.
 
Also, there may be times when you want to open an earlier version of something without restoring it from a backup. You may want to compare versions.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda in safe mode

To be clear, I am not proposing using volume shadow copies.

One should be taking full system image backups using the third-party tool of one's choosing, which is what Microsoft recommends, as well as parallel separate user data backups, which can be using that same third-party tool or Microsoft's own File History if running Windows 8.1 or 10.

System Protection (of which System Restore is a part) has never been intended as a full-recovery utility (which would include user data) and is notoriously flaky.  It's focus is allowing the system to be rolled back in the event that, for instance, a bad new driver were installed that breaks something.  It rolls back the state of the system registry and certain underlying support folders in the Windows hierarchy.  It, as Jackie has already noted, has never, ever been involved in user data backup or recovery. 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: can't play an internet station using waterfox

Kwork
 

And Waterfox isn't patching as quickly as it used to so I've mostly moved on to more Chromium based browsers such as the new Microsoft Edge, Brave, and Google Chrome itself. Even Firefox is working better now on modern streams than Waterfox. Disney Plus and Netflix will no longer stream for me using Waterfox, but will provide errors instead.

Travis

On 1/26/2020 12:25 AM, Gene wrote:
Did you try another browser?  Sometimes, you just have to use something else for a reason you may never know.  No one program may meet every need in a certain category of use. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

I don't have an android device.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Oriana
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 8:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

That being said, the stream for Android works for my Android device.

 

On Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 11:27 PM Oriana Neulinger <o.neulinger@...> wrote:

This doesn't display on the html version of the website (typo on the closing bracket of the first horizontal rule, if anyone cares), but above the first line of the website it says "We are currently offline for software updates".

 

On Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 11:21 PM Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

www.thegridfm.com.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't play an internet station using waterfox

 

There appear to be a number of URLs that get you to this station.  Could you please share the address you're using?

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Re: nvda in safe mode

Oriana
 

I apologize for contributing to the stray. I get focused on solving a problem and don't even realize it's not the right place for it. I'll stop.


On Sun, Jan 26, 2020, 6:20 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Martin,

         Thanks much for your recognition that this topic has now strayed far, far away from NVDA.  Presuming you are using Windows 10, you could ask on the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users group:

Even if it's not Windows 10, what you're seeking advice on predates Windows 10 itself, but is still pertinent there.


Re: nvda in safe mode

Oriana
 

Martin,

Unfortunately you will most likely have to use "forensic" methods of file recovery in order to recover the radio programming data. Similar to unix, using the command line to delete files in Windows bypasses the recycle bin. I don't think there's a security overwrite, however, unless you use a third-party program. The good news is that a live-boot forensic recovery program (or data recovery program as we've been referring to it) should also be able to restore the missing system files, although if that fails you will need to prepare to reinstall Windows.

File recovery software will work regardless of which drive the files are in, and it will recover whatever has not been overwritten, exactly the way it was at deletion, not at some point in the past during the last backup point. If there was any kind of "security overwrite", only a magnetic hard drive scanner would be able to recover the files, and those are too expensive for mainstream use - my original recommendation for a certified PC repair expert becomes the only option for recovery at that point, and even then, not every PC repair place will have such a device. The manufacturer would be another good point of reference, possibly able to recommend a third party repair even if the PC is not under warranty.

For programs that can be used to recover the files:

I've mentioned CCleaner's Recuva, but that's a windows program and I'm uncertain as to how to even live boot into a windows environment, regardless of accessibility. As you already have familiarity with unix, perhaps building a rescue drive using something like Vinux, Sonar, or Talking Arch flavors of Linux, which are optimized for screen-reading and braille displays, would be a good starting point for recovery, as you could then use any Linux industry standard file recovery programs, which are, to my understanding, more powerful than windows-based ones anyway.

On Sun, Jan 26, 2020, 6:04 PM Martin McCormick <martin.m@...> wrote:
        What I have read so far only mentions a special form of
del that is a security-oriented form which apparently destroys
the file and any file deleted that way is pretty much a goner but
whether or not it is done  one at a time or by batch file is never
mentioned.

        I really hope not to have to use Safe Mode.  The system
continued to run after my accident though I got some messages
from browsers that indicated I zapped data files in my home
directory which need to be brought back.

        I looked at further messages as I wrote this one and what
everybody is saying is valid but when files are deleted, they are
first moved to Recycle where they sit until either someone or process
empties the bin at which point, you really do make the job of
recovery much more difficult and dangerous or if you use the
Recycle Bin, the file just gets moved back from where it came.

        Fortunately, these are user files, not system files.

        Let 's make sure I am accessing the recycle bin correctly.

        It's a Tree View when you hit Enter on Recycle Bin.

        In a perfect world, there would be a Recovery engine that
would say "Where are the files to be recovered?" You might even
be given buttons that say "backup media, Recycle Bin" and you
pick 1 and probably should be given a recovery criteria in which
you can tell it everything that was deleted 24 or less hours ago.

        What I can't seem to find anywhere is actual file names
or anyway to copy them anywhere or do anything else for that
matter.

        All the articles say how easy this is which makes me
think that I'm looking in the wrong place or the absence of some
of those missing files is confusing the restore process.

        Is there a mailing list similar to this one only about
Windows, specifically?  I appreciate the knowledge and answers so
far, but NVDA is only tangentially related to this problem.

        As a unix command-line junky for 30 years, deleting files
does create a situation in which forensic methods are needed to
bring them back and the only unix-based platform I know of that
also has a trash bin does initially move deleted files to it
until you empty the bin and that's pretty much that.  That
platform is the Mac.

        If your deleted file is still in the bin, you can copy it
out but when it's gone from there, it isn't worth the risk and
possible trouble.

        Several articles I found on line say that Windows7 to 10
to first move deleted files to the bin.

"Gene" <gsasner@...> writes:
> I just did a little looking online.  I found information relating to
> using cmd in XP but in the small amount of searching I did, nothing that
> discussed Windows 10.  But I don't see why this would have changed.  The
> del command in XP doesn't send files to the recycle bin.  it just deletes
> them.  I read parts of one or two discussions about how to have files
> sent to the recycle bin when using cmd but they were for XP, and other
> old versions of Windows.  What is discussed may apply to Windows 10 but I
> don't know.
>
> Evidently it isn't the use of a batch file that causes this behavior, as
> I thought, but use of the del command either manually entered or in a
> batch file, if nothing is done to change this behavior.
>
> Gene




Re: nvda in safe mode

Oriana
 

Gene,

This is definitely a ymmv situation. I've attempted to use system restore to recover files before, as you keep advising, and not only did it not work, it wrote over the data so i was unable to use any other non-hardware-based recovery option - the box was not checked by default on that PC. If you know shadow copies exist, then they might work for you, but if there is any uncertainty, do not attempt system restore or any method that requires downloads or hard drive writes until backup is complete. That is my personal experience.



On Sun, Jan 26, 2020, 5:56 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Shadow copy isn't a backup, but it is a part of system restore and it does allow recovery of deleted files or access to earlier versions, if desired.  I can use Shadow Copy to open a file that is an earlier version without restoring it.  it can be opened directly from where it is in Shadow Copy. 
 
I am not advocating using it instead of a backup.  But it is a very useful feature.  I once deleted something the day after I recorded it because I didn't think I needed it any longer.  I found that I had been wrong and I was able to recover it with Shadow Copy because, fortunately, System Restore had made a restore point while it was on the disk.  I hadn't backed it up because I erroneously thought I had already edited it and saved and backed up the edited version.
 
Also, there may be times when you want to open an earlier version of something without restoring it from a backup. You may want to compare versions.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda in safe mode

To be clear, I am not proposing using volume shadow copies.

One should be taking full system image backups using the third-party tool of one's choosing, which is what Microsoft recommends, as well as parallel separate user data backups, which can be using that same third-party tool or Microsoft's own File History if running Windows 8.1 or 10.

System Protection (of which System Restore is a part) has never been intended as a full-recovery utility (which would include user data) and is notoriously flaky.  It's focus is allowing the system to be rolled back in the event that, for instance, a bad new driver were installed that breaks something.  It rolls back the state of the system registry and certain underlying support folders in the Windows hierarchy.  It, as Jackie has already noted, has never, ever been involved in user data backup or recovery. 
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Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: nvda in safe mode

 

Martin,

         Thanks much for your recognition that this topic has now strayed far, far away from NVDA.  Presuming you are using Windows 10, you could ask on the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users group:

Even if it's not Windows 10, what you're seeking advice on predates Windows 10 itself, but is still pertinent there.


Re: nvda in safe mode

Martin McCormick
 

What I have read so far only mentions a special form of
del that is a security-oriented form which apparently destroys
the file and any file deleted that way is pretty much a goner but
whether or not it is done one at a time or by batch file is never
mentioned.

I really hope not to have to use Safe Mode. The system
continued to run after my accident though I got some messages
from browsers that indicated I zapped data files in my home
directory which need to be brought back.

I looked at further messages as I wrote this one and what
everybody is saying is valid but when files are deleted, they are
first moved to Recycle where they sit until either someone or process
empties the bin at which point, you really do make the job of
recovery much more difficult and dangerous or if you use the
Recycle Bin, the file just gets moved back from where it came.

Fortunately, these are user files, not system files.

Let 's make sure I am accessing the recycle bin correctly.

It's a Tree View when you hit Enter on Recycle Bin.

In a perfect world, there would be a Recovery engine that
would say "Where are the files to be recovered?" You might even
be given buttons that say "backup media, Recycle Bin" and you
pick 1 and probably should be given a recovery criteria in which
you can tell it everything that was deleted 24 or less hours ago.

What I can't seem to find anywhere is actual file names
or anyway to copy them anywhere or do anything else for that
matter.

All the articles say how easy this is which makes me
think that I'm looking in the wrong place or the absence of some
of those missing files is confusing the restore process.

Is there a mailing list similar to this one only about
Windows, specifically? I appreciate the knowledge and answers so
far, but NVDA is only tangentially related to this problem.

As a unix command-line junky for 30 years, deleting files
does create a situation in which forensic methods are needed to
bring them back and the only unix-based platform I know of that
also has a trash bin does initially move deleted files to it
until you empty the bin and that's pretty much that. That
platform is the Mac.

If your deleted file is still in the bin, you can copy it
out but when it's gone from there, it isn't worth the risk and
possible trouble.

Several articles I found on line say that Windows7 to 10
to first move deleted files to the bin.

"Gene" <gsasner@...> writes:

I just did a little looking online. I found information relating to
using cmd in XP but in the small amount of searching I did, nothing that
discussed Windows 10. But I don't see why this would have changed. The
del command in XP doesn't send files to the recycle bin. it just deletes
them. I read parts of one or two discussions about how to have files
sent to the recycle bin when using cmd but they were for XP, and other
old versions of Windows. What is discussed may apply to Windows 10 but I
don't know.

Evidently it isn't the use of a batch file that causes this behavior, as
I thought, but use of the del command either manually entered or in a
batch file, if nothing is done to change this behavior.

Gene


Re: NVDA and audible

Abbie Taylor <abbietaylor945@...>
 

Val, in my opinion, this is definitely an appropriate question and a good one. As far as I know, there's no add-on for the Audible app, but the Audible website works pretty well with NVDA. I hope that answers your question.
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