Just about every antimalware program has this false positive.

Kaspersky and a few others are supposed to be better.

Anyway what I actually said was that these programs at least some of
them detect more false than well who knows.

I have never got a virus in the last 10 years but I have got a lot of
false alarms.

Not sure about win8 etc, but yes you can exclude stuff you know is not a
problem.

It would be good actually if you excluded the file you could report all
your excluded files to the maker like microsoft and for each you could
state what it was, etc and maybe get support on it.

The issue I have and maybe others, is that while some of the stuff we
know about, I spend more time stopping false alarms than actual viruses.

I am not sure if thats a good or bad thing but its certainly stopped me
from getting any serious security software.

If windows defender and malwarebytes cause this much trouble with a
false positive, then I really don't want to know what a really good
antivirus will say.

But basically everything on your system is a potential virus depending
on the detections and stuff used.

And with the cloud based ai, I doubt that at the automated level there
is much control.

If you tell them they will fix the issue but there is no reason to think
it will stay fixed.

As a result all the false alarms make the display of the software noisy.

As I said, right now I have so many security holes in my computer caused
by so many folder excludes that if it wasn't for ransomware, I have half
a mind to exclude my entire hard drive or even disable the windows
security subsystem.

However there is always the if factor so I don't.

I havn't run any full system scans in the last 10 years, and I havn't
run any malware software in the last 5 years simply because of this issue.

With the so called inteligent stuff about bgt and maybe some older
software excluded, it seems that every software package needs a security
certification id or something and while it would be nice to get one, I
do wander if I could get one myself for the purpose that the software I
have is not a problem or something.

I know some say I am just unlucky, but on all my other systems with out
blind games, blind software and blind accessible programs there are no
trogens at all and that in itself is a concern, no excludes on any of my
other systems yet.

Maybe I may exclude nvda just because I am concerned but still, maybe I
have over excluded because of all this going on.


On 8/02/2020 7:18 pm, zahra wrote:

Shaun,
did i understand it correctly?
i think that antivirus programs especially microsoft products,
scan the entire system and maybe remove our necessary and important
files even maybe nvda or even other files including html, docx, audio
and video files?
i remember that in one of the iranian websites,
someone recorded a tutorial which explained how to exclude our desired
folders from scanning by deffender.
his tutorial was for windows ten.
does windows deffender on windows 8 and 8.1 does the same things, and
it may removes our essential and important files without worning or
informing us about this matter?

On 2/8/20, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah some of that software uses autoit and that is known to make
viruses.

At any rate its clunkey and slow as a language so I wouldn't bother
using programs written in it but you should be able to exclude things.

Yeah when microsoft security etc cleans things it turns user account
control on at 33% by default.



On 8/02/2020 3:41 am, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Quenton,

In addition, I always have Defender set to update to the latest
version. I have had odd issues with it in the past. If you are
familiar with Steve's Clock, Defender flagged that consistently. Even
after I allowed it under Defender settings, every time Windows
updates, it flags it again. I had to go into the settings and
manually exempt the Steve's clock folder from Defender scans. Even
then, it always brings up User Account Control when I run it. It
never comes up in start up--even though I have it set to run at start
up. I have reported this to both the program developer and Microsoft
with no change. I am glad that this isn't happening with NVDA on my
system.


On 2/7/2020 1:00 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

I believe this only affects Windows 10 at this stage? Perhaps
Rosemarie and Ron are using Windows 7? Or their Defender hasn't
updated to the latest definitions maybe?

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:30 PM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com
<mailto:aa2vm@roadrunner.com>> wrote:

Hi Group,

I also do not have this issue with RC3.


On 2/7/2020 12:28 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Quentin,

I'm not having this problem on my system. I'm using espeak but I
wonder if I should use something else just to be on the safe
side.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Quentin Christensen
*Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 8:14 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

Hi folks,

It was NVDARemote the other week, now it seems it's our turn for
Microsoft's random unfounded accusations. If you try to install
the release candidate of NVDA 2019.3, Windows Defender will
alert you it has found a trojan in eSpeak NG and blocked it.
The install of NVDA will fail.

As a workaround for now, you can create a portable copy of the
RC and that should run fine. You won't be able to use eSpeak
NG.

NVDA 2019.2.1 installs and runs fine, even using eSpeak NG (it
uses a different build of eSpeak NG).

I am not sure whether this affects Windows 7 users as well. I
have reported it to Microsoft but I would encourage everyone
else to as well. To be honest, even aside from it being our
program affected, this really annoys me. Defender has NOT found
a trojan in eSpeak, its heuristic (machine learning) has guessed
that it looks a bit suspicious and flagged it - Ok that happens,
but say that, don't say absolutely that a known malicious
software has been found.

It took a day or so to fix Defender's virus list and have
NVDARemote cleared, so I expect it will probably be within about
the same timeline this time around. Apologies for the
inconvenience.

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>;

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>;

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>;
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>;

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Hi, Ollie:

I don't know/use the Seika Braile display. However, you might ask its manufacturer if they have released a new patch that would be compatible with the new NVDA software. If they have not done so yet, it is high time to alert them of this problem and see it fixed.

Best of luck,
Cordelia


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2020 10:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] My Seika Touchme5 no longer works with NVDA


Hello all,


I'm using NVDA Alphas. For qite some time now, my Seika Touchme5 no
longer works as expected.

I'm unable to scroll horizontally, whetehr I set it to Automatic or Seika.


Are tehre any tips to make this work?


I have to use an old and battered pm 40 by freedom Scientific, which has
a number of cells with dots that either don't come up or don't go down
when needed. This makes it really difficult to read in different languages.


thanks for any help ou can provide.


Ciao,

Ollie

Shaun,
did i understand it correctly?
i think that antivirus programs especially microsoft products,
scan the entire system and maybe remove our necessary and important
files even maybe nvda or even other files including html, docx, audio
and video files?
i remember that in one of the iranian websites,
someone recorded a tutorial which explained how to exclude our desired
folders from scanning by deffender.
his tutorial was for windows ten.
does windows deffender on windows 8 and 8.1 does the same things, and
it may removes our essential and important files without worning or
informing us about this matter?

On 2/8/20, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah some of that software uses autoit and that is known to make viruses.

At any rate its clunkey and slow as a language so I wouldn't bother
using programs written in it but you should be able to exclude things.

Yeah when microsoft security etc cleans things it turns user account
control on at 33% by default.



On 8/02/2020 3:41 am, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Quenton,

In addition, I always have Defender set to update to the latest
version. I have had odd issues with it in the past. If you are
familiar with Steve's Clock, Defender flagged that consistently. Even
after I allowed it under Defender settings, every time Windows
updates, it flags it again. I had to go into the settings and
manually exempt the Steve's clock folder from Defender scans. Even
then, it always brings up User Account Control when I run it. It
never comes up in start up--even though I have it set to run at start
up. I have reported this to both the program developer and Microsoft
with no change. I am glad that this isn't happening with NVDA on my
system.


On 2/7/2020 1:00 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

I believe this only affects Windows 10 at this stage? Perhaps
Rosemarie and Ron are using Windows 7? Or their Defender hasn't
updated to the latest definitions maybe?

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:30 PM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com
<mailto:aa2vm@roadrunner.com>> wrote:

Hi Group,

I also do not have this issue with RC3.


On 2/7/2020 12:28 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Quentin,

I'm not having this problem on my system. I'm using espeak but I
wonder if I should use something else just to be on the safe side.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Quentin Christensen
*Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 8:14 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

Hi folks,

It was NVDARemote the other week, now it seems it's our turn for
Microsoft's random unfounded accusations. If you try to install
the release candidate of NVDA 2019.3, Windows Defender will
alert you it has found a trojan in eSpeak NG and blocked it.
The install of NVDA will fail.

As a workaround for now, you can create a portable copy of the
RC and that should run fine. You won't be able to use eSpeak NG.

NVDA 2019.2.1 installs and runs fine, even using eSpeak NG (it
uses a different build of eSpeak NG).

I am not sure whether this affects Windows 7 users as well. I
have reported it to Microsoft but I would encourage everyone
else to as well. To be honest, even aside from it being our
program affected, this really annoys me. Defender has NOT found
a trojan in eSpeak, its heuristic (machine learning) has guessed
that it looks a bit suspicious and flagged it - Ok that happens,
but say that, don't say absolutely that a known malicious
software has been found.

It took a day or so to fix Defender's virus list and have
NVDARemote cleared, so I expect it will probably be within about
the same timeline this time around. Apologies for the
inconvenience.

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>;

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>;

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>;
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>;

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Yeah some of that software uses autoit and that is known to make viruses.

At any rate its clunkey and slow as a language so I wouldn't bother
using programs written in it but you should be able to exclude things.

Yeah when microsoft security etc cleans things it turns user account
control on at 33% by default.



On 8/02/2020 3:41 am, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Quenton,

In addition, I always have Defender set to update to the latest
version. I have had odd issues with it in the past. If you are
familiar with Steve's Clock, Defender flagged that consistently. Even
after I allowed it under Defender settings, every time Windows
updates, it flags it again. I had to go into the settings and
manually exempt the Steve's clock folder from Defender scans. Even
then, it always brings up User Account Control when I run it. It
never comes up in start up--even though I have it set to run at start
up. I have reported this to both the program developer and Microsoft
with no change. I am glad that this isn't happening with NVDA on my
system.


On 2/7/2020 1:00 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

I believe this only affects Windows 10 at this stage? Perhaps
Rosemarie and Ron are using Windows 7? Or their Defender hasn't
updated to the latest definitions maybe?

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:30 PM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com
<mailto:aa2vm@roadrunner.com>> wrote:

Hi Group,

I also do not have this issue with RC3.


On 2/7/2020 12:28 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Quentin,

I'm not having this problem on my system. I'm using espeak but I
wonder if I should use something else just to be on the safe side.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Quentin Christensen
*Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 8:14 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

Hi folks,

It was NVDARemote the other week, now it seems it's our turn for
Microsoft's random unfounded accusations. If you try to install
the release candidate of NVDA 2019.3, Windows Defender will
alert you it has found a trojan in eSpeak NG and blocked it.
The install of NVDA will fail.

As a workaround for now, you can create a portable copy of the
RC and that should run fine. You won't be able to use eSpeak NG.

NVDA 2019.2.1 installs and runs fine, even using eSpeak NG (it
uses a different build of eSpeak NG).

I am not sure whether this affects Windows 7 users as well. I
have reported it to Microsoft but I would encourage everyone
else to as well. To be honest, even aside from it being our
program affected, this really annoys me. Defender has NOT found
a trojan in eSpeak, its heuristic (machine learning) has guessed
that it looks a bit suspicious and flagged it - Ok that happens,
but say that, don't say absolutely that a known malicious
software has been found.

It took a day or so to fix Defender's virus list and have
NVDARemote cleared, so I expect it will probably be within about
the same timeline this time around. Apologies for the
inconvenience.

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>;

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>;

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/

Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>;
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>;

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Hi Quenton,

In addition, I always have Defender set to update to the latest version.  I have had odd issues with it in the past.  If you are familiar with Steve's Clock, Defender flagged that consistently.  Even after I allowed it under Defender settings, every time Windows updates, it flags it again.  I had to go into the settings and manually exempt the Steve's clock folder from Defender scans.  Even then, it always brings up User Account Control when I run it.  It never comes up in start up--even though I have it set to run at start up.  I have reported this to both the program developer and Microsoft with no change.  I  am glad that this isn't happening with NVDA on my system.

On 2/7/2020 1:00 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

I believe this only affects Windows 10 at this stage?  Perhaps Rosemarie and Ron are using Windows 7?  Or their Defender hasn't updated to the latest definitions maybe?

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 4:30 PM Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:

Hi Group,

I also do not have this issue with RC3.

On 2/7/2020 12:28 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Quentin,

 

I'm not having this problem on my system. I'm using espeak but I wonder if I should use something else just to be on the safe side.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 8:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows defender marking NVDA a trojan

 

Hi folks,

 

It was NVDARemote the other week, now it seems it's our turn for Microsoft's random unfounded accusations.  If you try to install the release candidate of NVDA 2019.3, Windows Defender will alert you it has found a trojan in eSpeak NG and blocked it.  The install of NVDA will fail.

 

As a workaround for now, you can create a portable copy of the RC and that should run fine.  You won't be able to use eSpeak NG.

 

NVDA 2019.2.1 installs and runs fine, even using eSpeak NG (it uses a different build of eSpeak NG).

 

I am not sure whether this affects Windows 7 users as well.  I have reported it to Microsoft but I would encourage everyone else to as well.  To be honest, even aside from it being our program affected, this really annoys me.  Defender has NOT found a trojan in eSpeak, its heuristic (machine learning) has guessed that it looks a bit suspicious and flagged it - Ok that happens, but say that, don't say absolutely that a known malicious software has been found.

 

It took a day or so to fix Defender's virus list and have NVDARemote cleared, so I expect it will probably be within about the same timeline this time around.  Apologies for the inconvenience.

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/

 

Web: www.nvaccess.org 

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

NVDA 2019.3 rc2 now available for testing: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3rc2-now-available-for-testing/

Web: www.nvaccess.org 

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 05:04 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

If it wants to flag them as "suspicious because XYZ" (and give reasoning) that's one thing, but don't categorically assert it's a virus when you don't know that.

 

If they were to do that, many would ignore the warning (if they could).   This happens.  It will always happen.  Organizations such as NVAccess report (as do users) and it gets resolved.  The system isn't perfect, but I'd prefer the occasional false positive to a single false negative.

Someone such as yourself, Quentin, certainly knows that error messages of any sort are not typically very refined in what they present.  Ideally, they'd be a lot more descriptive and accurate, but I'm not holding my breath.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

If you can run it in a terminal, the recently improved console support for NVDA (coming in 2019.3) may make the experience better.

 

I haven’t used Pine/Alpine for a very long time indeed. At some point I switched to Mutt, and found it to be preferable – at least as a text-based email client.

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Arlene <nedster66@...>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Friday, February 7, 2020 at 12:59
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] 3rd Request for Assistance

 

Not sure if they made any developments for windows. I know it is or still is used for Linux.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: February 7, 2020 9:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] 3rd Request for Assistance

 

How well does Alpine work for Windows?  I believe I tried it and its

predecessor Pine and it wasn't very accessible.

 

 

 

On 2/7/2020 12:31 PM, Christopher Gray wrote:

> Hi and thanks for the response.

> 

> I am using it on Windows 7 and Windows 10 on two different computers. 

> Alpine version is 2.20.

> 

> I invoke Alpine from the Windows command line and not through a

> terminal program.

> 

> Chris

> 

> On Fri, 7 Feb 2020, Tyler Spivey via Groups.Io wrote:

> 

>> What version of alpine are you running, on what operating system? Are

>> you using it through a terminal program or native?

>> 

>> 

>> On 2/7/2020 9:12 AM, Christopher Gray wrote:

>>>  Hi:

>>> 

>>>  I've asked for some assistance about the issue below twice now,

>>> once last

>>>  June, again Wednesday.  If there is a better list or means of

>>> asking than

>>>  this list, just let me know that.

>>> 

>>>  I could be wrong but this really shouldn't be a difficult issue to

>>>  diagnose. Alpine and Pico both worked quite well with Cobra and

>>>  Window-Eyes.

>>> 

>>>  Chris

>>> 

>>>  ---------- Forwarded message ----------

>>>  Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 16:52:30 +0000

>>>  From: Christopher Gray via Groups.Io <chris@...>

>>>  Reply-To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>>  To: NVDA Mailing List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>>  Subject: [nvda] Alpine and Pico (fwd)

>>> 

>>>  Hello:

>>> 

>>>  I brought up the issue below last June but aside from some related

>>>  discussion never got anywhere about using this software on Windows

>>> with

>>>  NVDA.  I really need some assistance with this issue to make a full

>>>  transition to NVDA.

>>> 

>>>  Software is alpine for Windows and Pico, also for Windows. It is not

>>>  exactly that the software doesn't work at all, but it only partly

>>> works.

>>>  For example, in editing a message, I can usually get speech in the

>>> text,

>>>  but there is no braille.  Sometimes while editing, when I move down

>>> line

>>>  by line I get no text, but I do get text moving up line by line after

>>>  moving down.  In the menu of messages, I can't see the messages at

>>> all.

>>> 

>>>  Thanks.

>>> 

>>>  Chris

>>> 

>>>  ---------- Forwarded message ----------

>>>  Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 17:33:26 +0000

>>>  From: Christopher Gray via Groups.Io <chris@...>

>>>  Reply-To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>>  To: NVDA Mailing List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>>  Subject: [nvda] Alpine and Pico

>>> 

>>>  Hi:

>>> 

>>>  I use two fairly old pieces of software:  the Alpine email client; the

>>>  Pico text

>>>  editor.  Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to get this

>>> software to

>>>  work

>>>  with NVDA.  It only shows a blank screen for me.

>>> 

>>>  Pico is particularly portable and I'm betting that the two programs

>>> have

>>>  the

>>>  same screen issues since they were written by the same source.  I

>>> haven't

>>>  attached it here but sending it via email should be very simple.

>>> 

>>>  Is there a way I can try to diagnose this?  Or, might somebody be

>>> willing

>>>  to

>>>  look at this who knows more about thwat they are doing?

>>> 

>>>  Many thanks.

>>> 

>>>  Chris

>>> 

>>> 

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>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

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>> 

>> 

>> 

> 

> ****************************************

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> Council of the Blind in

> your Will or Estate Plan?  Contact me as shown below and I can help

> you with this.

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> 

> 5453 Chippewa

> St. Louis, MO 63109

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> Toll-free: (800) 342-5632

> Fax:       (314) 832-7796

> 

> Like Jazz?  Want to know more about jazz?

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> Can't listen live? go to theglobalvoice.info and choose the "Listen to

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Hi, Ollie:

I don't know/use the Seika Braile display. However, you might ask its manufacturer if they have released a new patch that would be compatible with the new NVDA software. If they have not done so yet, it is high time to alert them of this problem and see it fixed.

Best of luck,
Cordelia


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2020 10:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] My Seika Touchme5 no longer works with NVDA


Hello all,


I'm using NVDA Alphas. For qite some time now, my Seika Touchme5 no
longer works as expected.

I'm unable to scroll horizontally, whetehr I set it to Automatic or Seika.


Are tehre any tips to make this work?


I have to use an old and battered pm 40 by freedom Scientific, which has
a number of cells with dots that either don't come up or don't go down
when needed. This makes it really difficult to read in different languages.


thanks for any help ou can provide.


Ciao,

Ollie

How well does Alpine work for Windows?  I believe I tried it and its

predecessor Pine and it wasn't very accessible.

On 2/7/2020 12:31 PM, Christopher Gray wrote:

> Hi and thanks for the response.

> 

> I am using it on Windows 7 and Windows 10 on two different computers. 

> Alpine version is 2.20.

> 

> I invoke Alpine from the Windows command line and not through a

> terminal program.

> 

> Chris

> 

> On Fri, 7 Feb 2020, Tyler Spivey via Groups.Io wrote:

> 

>> What version of alpine are you running, on what operating system? Are

>> you using it through a terminal program or native?

>> 

>> 

>> On 2/7/2020 9:12 AM, Christopher Gray wrote:

>>>  Hi:

>>> 

>>>  I've asked for some assistance about the issue below twice now,

>>> once last

>>>  June, again Wednesday.  If there is a better list or means of

>>> asking than

>>>  this list, just let me know that.

>>> 

>>>  I could be wrong but this really shouldn't be a difficult issue to

>>>  diagnose. Alpine and Pico both worked quite well with Cobra and

>>>  Window-Eyes.

>>> 

>>>  Chris

>>> 

>>>  ---------- Forwarded message ----------

>>>  Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 16:52:30 +0000

>>>  From: Christopher Gray via Groups.Io <chris@...>

>>>  Reply-To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>>  To: NVDA Mailing List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>>  Subject: [nvda] Alpine and Pico (fwd)

>>> 

>>>  Hello:

>>> 

>>>  I brought up the issue below last June but aside from some related

>>>  discussion never got anywhere about using this software on Windows

>>> with

>>>  NVDA.  I really need some assistance with this issue to make a full

>>>  transition to NVDA.

>>> 

>>>  Software is alpine for Windows and Pico, also for Windows. It is not

>>>  exactly that the software doesn't work at all, but it only partly

>>> works.

>>>  For example, in editing a message, I can usually get speech in the

>>> text,

>>>  but there is no braille.  Sometimes while editing, when I move down

>>> line

>>>  by line I get no text, but I do get text moving up line by line after

>>>  moving down.  In the menu of messages, I can't see the messages at

>>> all.

>>> 

>>>  Thanks.

>>> 

>>>  Chris

>>> 

>>>  ---------- Forwarded message ----------

>>>  Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 17:33:26 +0000

>>>  From: Christopher Gray via Groups.Io <chris@...>

>>>  Reply-To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>>  To: NVDA Mailing List <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>>  Subject: [nvda] Alpine and Pico

>>> 

>>>  Hi:

>>> 

>>>  I use two fairly old pieces of software:  the Alpine email client; the

>>>  Pico text

>>>  editor.  Unfortunately, I don't seem to be able to get this

>>> software to

>>>  work

>>>  with NVDA.  It only shows a blank screen for me.

>>> 

>>>  Pico is particularly portable and I'm betting that the two programs

>>> have

>>>  the

>>>  same screen issues since they were written by the same source.  I

>>> haven't

>>>  attached it here but sending it via email should be very simple.

>>> 

>>>  Is there a way I can try to diagnose this?  Or, might somebody be

>>> willing

>>>  to

>>>  look at this who knows more about thwat they are doing?

>>> 

>>>  Many thanks.

>>> 

>>>  Chris

>>> 

>>> 

>>>  ****************************************

>>>  Have you considered Annual Giving or including a gift to Missouri

>>> Council

>>>  of the Blind in

>>>  your Will or Estate Plan?  Contact me as shown below and I can help

>>> you

>>>  with this.

>>> 

>>>  ----------------------------------------

>>>  Christopher Gray, Executive Director

>>>  Missouri Council of the Blind

>>> 

>>>  5453 Chippewa

>>>  St. Louis, MO 63109

>>>  Phone:     (314) 832-7172

>>>  Toll-free: (800) 342-5632

>>>  Fax:       (314) 832-7796

>>> 

>>>  Like Jazz?  Want to know more about jazz?

>>>  Tune into "A Journey into Jazz" with the Jazz Guys on the Global

>>> Voice,

>>>  Chris and Don.

>>>  Listen live each Wednesday at 00:00 Utc, 7:00 P.M. Eastern, 4:00 P.M.

>>>  Pacific

>>>  Find us by going to theglobalvoice.info/broadband.pls.

>>>  Can't listen live? go to theglobalvoice.info and choose the "Listen to

>>>  Past Shows" link any time during the week after each live broadcast.

>>>  You can also go to the link www.jazzguys.libsyn.com for the podcasts!

>>>  Or, subscribe to us through iTunes or TuneIn Radio.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> 

> ****************************************

> Have you considered Annual Giving or including a gift to Missouri

> Council of the Blind in

> your Will or Estate Plan?  Contact me as shown below and I can help

> you with this.

> 

> ----------------------------------------

> Christopher Gray, Executive Director

> Missouri Council of the Blind

> 

> 5453 Chippewa

> St. Louis, MO 63109

> Phone:     (314) 832-7172

> Toll-free: (800) 342-5632

> Fax:       (314) 832-7796

> 

> Like Jazz?  Want to know more about jazz?

> Tune into "A Journey into Jazz" with the Jazz Guys on the Global

> Voice, Chris and Don.

> Listen live each Wednesday at 00:00 Utc, 7:00 P.M. Eastern, 4:00 P.M.

> Pacific

> Find us by going to theglobalvoice.info/broadband.pls.

> Can't listen live? go to theglobalvoice.info and choose the "Listen to

> Past Shows" link any time during the week after each live broadcast.

> You can also go to the link www.jazzguys.libsyn.com for the podcasts!

> Or, subscribe to us through iTunes or TuneIn Radio.

> 

>

> 

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They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.

They ask: "How Happy are You?"

I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Until the latest update, NVDA would start speaking as soon as it is

loaded once the laptop is completely on. Now I seem to have to do the

command as if I was wanting to restart NVDA.  I do not know how else to

explain this.

On 2/7/2020 9:34 AM, Vaibhav Bhandari wrote:

> Could you explain further what did you mean by "Your laptop is no

> longer coming up with speech with the latest update of NVDA?" I was

> unable to understand the problem.

> 

> On 2/7/20, Betsy Grenevitch <blindangel61@...> wrote:

>> I believe I remember this topic coming up recently but must have missed

>> the response. My laptop is no longer coming up with speech with the

>> latest update of NVDA. I am wondering if Microsoft Teams is the problem

>> but do not know how to get rid of that program or what it is even for.

>> It started coming up when I started using Windows 10. Are there any

>> solutions to getting rid of it and if that is not causing the problem

>> what can I do to fix NVDA not coning up on its own.

>> 

>> 

>> Thanks so much. At least there is a workaround by restarting NVDA but I

>> know it should not work this way.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> --

>> Betsy Grenevitch

>> 678-862-3876

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> 

--

Betsy Grenevitch

678-862-3876

I figured it out. I guess when the update took place it set it not to turn on NVDA when the computer is starting. It is working now. 

Well, since when you "restart" NVDA it is working normally for you, it sounds like you don't have a major issue with speech being completely disabled. I can assure you that Microsoft Teams will work with NVdA, so you don't need to worry about that. Are you sure that NVDA has actually started? Do you hear the Startup chime from NVDA? If you are hearing that chime but never get voice until starting NVDA from the run menu, then your best bet is to get the log file from NVDA and have somebody review it for errors.
Also, you might want to confirm with folks what NVDA Add ons you are running. 

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Betsy Grenevitch

678-862-3876

Hello,

SayProductNameAndVersion has been updated to be compatible with NVDA 2019.3.

It is stille compatible with NVDA 2017.3.

Download link:

https://github.com/Nardol/SayProductNameAndVersion/releases/download/2020.02/sayProductNameAndVersion-2020.02.nvda-addon

Best regards,

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Patrick ZAJDA