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Re: NVDA 2019.3 released

Richard Wells
 

The switch to USB adapter is something I experience on one of my computers that has a Netgear USB wireless adapter connected. If you also have one of these, that may be why you are seeing this.

On 2/10/2020 9:14 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Just thought I'd post this as it is a first for me:  NVDA would not update from the "in NVDA" update process.  It failed and said to see the log.

I downloaded the new installer and that worked perfectly, and without having to uninstall the existing NVDA installation.  I probably should have posted this before going that route, as I believe I've probably now overwritten the log.  However, if the log is appended to, and anyone on the development team would like for me to send them a copy, just let me know.  I won't likely be using NVDA at all additionally today so the log is going to remain however it happens to be at the moment.

As a completely unrelated aside, can anyone tell me why NVDA announces, "Switch to USB Dialog Adapter Combo Box," as the first thing after starting virtually every time?  I've grown used to it, but I cannot for the life of me figure out what it thinks it has focus on such that this is what is announced.  And that quote is verbatim.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

Kayboard Shortcut for Screen Curtain

Greg Rhodes
 

Is there a keyboard shortcut to toggle screen curtain on and off in 19.3? If so, what is it? If not, how do I create one? Don’t really want to have to go to NVDA settings every time I want to toggle screen curtain on and off. Thanks.

 

Greg

 

Re: OE Classic 3.1 gets more accessibility fixes.

Kerryn Gunness
 


robert
 
send the direct link to download the program
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 11:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] OE Classic 3.1 gets more accessibility fixes.

The below is from their accessibility email list. No, I have no clue how to join it. I was added. For those who hate Thunderbird, this may be a good alternative but understand that the free version does not support IMAP or profiles yet.

Before I paste the email, here's the website. Check it out. Send them bugs and questions.

In the latest release of OE Classic 3.1, released today (10th February 2020), we've added the support for standard Message dialogs which are now fully screen-reader accessible. The dialogs use standard buttons and standard way of displaying messages which is easily readable to any screen-reader. The dialog we're describing are the ones such as "are you sure" type of dialogs. For example, when you right click the empty deleted items folder option one such dialog will show up.

To have this support there are some requirements though:

  • you must run at least Windows Vista or newer (Windows 7, Windows 8 or Windows 10 work well, and Windows 10 works best regarding this)

  • Theme support must be enabled on Windows Vista, Windows 7 and Windows 8. (so in other words, Windows must be using at least Windows Basic or Windows Aero theme). On Windows 10 this is not a problem, because the themes from Windows 8 and earlier are removed - Windows 10 has always theme support enabled so message dialogs in OE Classic will be always the standard Windows ones which are accessible. The requirement to have theme support enabled on Windows Vista / 7 / 8 will be removed in one of the updates when we switch to newer compiler than the one we currently use. But this is not much of a problem. Windows 7 usually is already set to one of the above mentioned themes by default, and for Windows 10 this is not a problem at all, since it has this always enabled.

  • Windows XP cannot be supported unfortunately. It doesn't support the required programming interface needed to add this. If you use that version, OE Classic will revert to the older dialogs which are not accessible. We have some ideas how to support even this, but it will require some compromises which we are only ready to take when the popularity of Windows XP is below 1% (currently about 2%).

In addition to all the above, we're also working on adding accessibility support for the list views (message list, contact list, folder list) which is currently the biggest known thing to be missing. We have made some progress regarding that in discovering why it doesn't work but there is still work to be done. We will notify you about this separately. There are also a few other windows which haven't been localized and as such adjusted for accessibility, and that will be done in time too, but these windows are rare in the current version (it is the updates window and send/receive window for example). With all of that we're approaching the goal of reaching 100% accessibility.

If you have suggestions, other than the ones which are already listed, we're always looking forward to those. If you have already made a suggestion, rest assured it is already in our queue to be implemented so there is no need to suggest it again.

Re: OE Classic 3.1 gets more accessibility fixes.

Kerryn Gunness
 


robert
 
send the direct link to download the program
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 11:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] OE Classic 3.1 gets more accessibility fixes.

The below is from their accessibility email list. No, I have no clue how to join it. I was added. For those who hate Thunderbird, this may be a good alternative but understand that the free version does not support IMAP or profiles yet.

Before I paste the email, here's the website. Check it out. Send them bugs and questions.

In the latest release of OE Classic 3.1, released today (10th February 2020), we've added the support for standard Message dialogs which are now fully screen-reader accessible. The dialogs use standard buttons and standard way of displaying messages which is easily readable to any screen-reader. The dialog we're describing are the ones such as "are you sure" type of dialogs. For example, when you right click the empty deleted items folder option one such dialog will show up.

To have this support there are some requirements though:

  • you must run at least Windows Vista or newer (Windows 7, Windows 8 or Windows 10 work well, and Windows 10 works best regarding this)

  • Theme support must be enabled on Windows Vista, Windows 7 and Windows 8. (so in other words, Windows must be using at least Windows Basic or Windows Aero theme). On Windows 10 this is not a problem, because the themes from Windows 8 and earlier are removed - Windows 10 has always theme support enabled so message dialogs in OE Classic will be always the standard Windows ones which are accessible. The requirement to have theme support enabled on Windows Vista / 7 / 8 will be removed in one of the updates when we switch to newer compiler than the one we currently use. But this is not much of a problem. Windows 7 usually is already set to one of the above mentioned themes by default, and for Windows 10 this is not a problem at all, since it has this always enabled.

  • Windows XP cannot be supported unfortunately. It doesn't support the required programming interface needed to add this. If you use that version, OE Classic will revert to the older dialogs which are not accessible. We have some ideas how to support even this, but it will require some compromises which we are only ready to take when the popularity of Windows XP is below 1% (currently about 2%).

In addition to all the above, we're also working on adding accessibility support for the list views (message list, contact list, folder list) which is currently the biggest known thing to be missing. We have made some progress regarding that in discovering why it doesn't work but there is still work to be done. We will notify you about this separately. There are also a few other windows which haven't been localized and as such adjusted for accessibility, and that will be done in time too, but these windows are rare in the current version (it is the updates window and send/receive window for example). With all of that we're approaching the goal of reaching 100% accessibility.

If you have suggestions, other than the ones which are already listed, we're always looking forward to those. If you have already made a suggestion, rest assured it is already in our queue to be implemented so there is no need to suggest it again.

Re: will the add on updater update them?

Patrick ZAJDA
 

Hello,


About the Dropbox addon, you can download the compatible version here: https://addons.nvda-project.org/files/get.php?file=dx-dev


Hop this helps,


Patrick


Le 10/02/2020 à 20:01, ken lawrence via Groups.Io a écrit :

Hi list 2019.3 is now on my computer I have several add ons that won’t work with the new version.  I’m aware of remote not working yet but will the dropbox and the skype and teamtalk add ons be updated soon?  I don’t want to remove the old ones to make sure new updates come in.  are there any timelines for these to be updated.  Also I didn’t quite see what is different in speech in the new version other than the different espeak engine.  What has changed there? 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


--
Patrick ZAJDA

Re: Very weird one!

Tyler Spivey
 

You should've got NVDA 2019.3.1. If it says march, that's a problem with your synth.

On 2/10/2020 11:01 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
I still can't get any action with Firefox and it has always worked in the past when downloading NVDA.  I then tried Internet Explorer 11. This appeared to work as it took me to PayPal and when I entered everything there, it said redirecting to NV access.  There's where it stopped.  I never got back there from PayPal. I went back to my browser, and it was still on the download page so I just hit the download button.  I got something all right--NVDA from March of 2019!!  I just gave it up at this point.


Roger



Re: will the add on updater update them?

Gerardo Corripio
 

Yesterday, or the day before, Dropbox 4.4 was shared on here, at least the Dev version, compatible with NVDA2019.3.

 

                                                                                              Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

De: ken lawrence via Groups.Io
Enviado: lunes, 10 de febrero de 2020 01:01 p. m.
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: [nvda] will the add on updater update them?

 

Hi list 2019.3 is now on my computer I have several add ons that won’t work with the new version.  I’m aware of remote not working yet but will the dropbox and the skype and teamtalk add ons be updated soon?  I don’t want to remove the old ones to make sure new updates come in.  are there any timelines for these to be updated.  Also I didn’t quite see what is different in speech in the new version other than the different espeak engine.  What has changed there? 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

Relating to NVDA 2019.3.1

Dejan Ristic
 

Hi,


I installed the stable NVDA 2019.3 version. When I restarted the machine, I found the version number from the subject line, that's to say, 2019.3.1. My decision is not to install it till I've been told to by those who can tell so.


Note:


I use Windows 7 operating system.

Note 2


I've checked all the mail messages, and found that none of them says a word relating to 2019.3.1. Due to the fact that I've been using NVDA for a longer period of time, let me suppose that this may be a minor version addressing some bug fixes.


Dejan

Re: OE Classic 3.1 gets more accessibility fixes.

 

OE Classic is a third party program made to mimic OutLook express. Microsoft should have just open sourced outlook express like they did with Windows Live Writer, but, apart from a hacked version, which I won't send you, this is a close as you will get while still having a modern email client.

Very weird one!

Roger Stewart
 

I still can't get any action with Firefox and it has always worked in the past when downloading NVDA.  I then tried Internet Explorer 11.  This appeared to work as it took me to PayPal and when I entered everything there, it said redirecting to NV access.  There's where it stopped.  I never got back there from PayPal. I went back to my browser, and it was still on the download page so I just hit the download button.  I got something all right--NVDA from March of 2019!!  I just gave it up at this point.


Roger

will the add on updater update them?

ken lawrence
 

Hi list 2019.3 is now on my computer I have several add ons that won’t work with the new version.  I’m aware of remote not working yet but will the dropbox and the skype and teamtalk add ons be updated soon?  I don’t want to remove the old ones to make sure new updates come in.  are there any timelines for these to be updated.  Also I didn’t quite see what is different in speech in the new version other than the different espeak engine.  What has changed there? 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

Alternatives to quickly change between voices and/or synths?

Gerardo Corripio
 

I’ve always with NVDA, because I’m dulingual, have used the Switch Synth AddOn, which isn’t yet compatible with NVDA 2019.3, for via a keystroke switching be using Vocalizer, or ViaVoice, switch quickly between the English or Spanish voice. I tried setting up a profile that’d allow me to do this, but it doesn’t work as I’d like it to, for instance 1 for ViaVoice LatinAmerican Spanish, 2 for American English etc; like I have it set it up with SwitchSynth now. What alternative do you guys have, and will they make the SwitchSynth AddOn compatible? If I do update to the latest NVDA, I plan to continue using (hopefully it’s compatible with the latest version) Synth ring settings selector, however what I don’t like about this one is that when in ViaVoice, you switch to American english, the speed is the same as in the Latin American Spanish; I’d like to have it a little bit slower for English than Spanish. Thanks for any info you guys might have on this matter.

 

                                                                                              Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

Re: Edmodicons add-on

Lino Morales
 

Oh good. Glad she’ll update it soon. Its one of my fave add-ons beside yours Joseph.

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

                                                                                                               

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Edmodicons add-on

 

Hi,

Noelia says she will release stable versions of her add-ons compatible with 2019.3 soon.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 10:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Edmodicons add-on

 

Will the Emodicons NVDA add-on be updated soon? I think I’m on no mail on that list. I forgot to set it to get mail a while back so I don’t know if there is any news from Noila Larosa or whatever her name is. Thanks.

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

                                                                                                               

 

 

Re: OE Classic 3.1 gets more accessibility fixes.

Kerryn Gunness
 


is this the original o e?
which is not associated to m s?
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 11:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] OE Classic 3.1 gets more accessibility fixes.

The below is from their accessibility email list. No, I have no clue how to join it. I was added. For those who hate Thunderbird, this may be a good alternative but understand that the free version does not support IMAP or profiles yet.

Before I paste the email, here's the website. Check it out. Send them bugs and questions.

In the latest release of OE Classic 3.1, released today (10th February 2020), we've added the support for standard Message dialogs which are now fully screen-reader accessible. The dialogs use standard buttons and standard way of displaying messages which is easily readable to any screen-reader. The dialog we're describing are the ones such as "are you sure" type of dialogs. For example, when you right click the empty deleted items folder option one such dialog will show up.

To have this support there are some requirements though:

  • you must run at least Windows Vista or newer (Windows 7, Windows 8 or Windows 10 work well, and Windows 10 works best regarding this)

  • Theme support must be enabled on Windows Vista, Windows 7 and Windows 8. (so in other words, Windows must be using at least Windows Basic or Windows Aero theme). On Windows 10 this is not a problem, because the themes from Windows 8 and earlier are removed - Windows 10 has always theme support enabled so message dialogs in OE Classic will be always the standard Windows ones which are accessible. The requirement to have theme support enabled on Windows Vista / 7 / 8 will be removed in one of the updates when we switch to newer compiler than the one we currently use. But this is not much of a problem. Windows 7 usually is already set to one of the above mentioned themes by default, and for Windows 10 this is not a problem at all, since it has this always enabled.

  • Windows XP cannot be supported unfortunately. It doesn't support the required programming interface needed to add this. If you use that version, OE Classic will revert to the older dialogs which are not accessible. We have some ideas how to support even this, but it will require some compromises which we are only ready to take when the popularity of Windows XP is below 1% (currently about 2%).

In addition to all the above, we're also working on adding accessibility support for the list views (message list, contact list, folder list) which is currently the biggest known thing to be missing. We have made some progress regarding that in discovering why it doesn't work but there is still work to be done. We will notify you about this separately. There are also a few other windows which haven't been localized and as such adjusted for accessibility, and that will be done in time too, but these windows are rare in the current version (it is the updates window and send/receive window for example). With all of that we're approaching the goal of reaching 100% accessibility.

If you have suggestions, other than the ones which are already listed, we're always looking forward to those. If you have already made a suggestion, rest assured it is already in our queue to be implemented so there is no need to suggest it again.

Re: Donation Too nerve wracking

Tyler Spivey
 

That's simply because you don't understand how it works. Of course the custom donation button is going to do that, because you left 200 in the edit box before it.


On 2/10/2020 10:27 AM, Robert Kingett wrote:

Unfortunately, the one time custom donation button leads straight to PayPal with a $200 default value. NV Access should fix that at some point. But the bit I said about the recurring donations still stands. After adjusting the value via the keyboard, that gets entered into PayPal.

Re: Edmodicons add-on

 

Hi,

Noelia says she will release stable versions of her add-ons compatible with 2019.3 soon.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 10:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Edmodicons add-on

 

Will the Emodicons NVDA add-on be updated soon? I think I’m on no mail on that list. I forgot to set it to get mail a while back so I don’t know if there is any news from Noila Larosa or whatever her name is. Thanks.

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

                                                                                                               

 

Edmodicons add-on

Lino Morales
 

Will the Emodicons NVDA add-on be updated soon? I think I’m on no mail on that list. I forgot to set it to get mail a while back so I don’t know if there is any news from Noila Larosa or whatever her name is. Thanks.

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

                                                                                                               

 

Re: Donation Too nerve wracking

 

Unfortunately, the one time custom donation button leads straight to PayPal with a $200 default value. NV Access should fix that at some point. But the bit I said about the recurring donations still stands. After adjusting the value via the keyboard, that gets entered into PayPal.

Re: NVDA 2019.3 released

Gary Metzler
 

Hi Quentin,

 

So far everything is working as it should.  Thank the team for a job well done.  Thanks,

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 6:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2019.3 released

 

Hi everyone,

 

NV Access is very pleased to present the long awaited next installment of the world's most popular screen reader:  NVDA 2019.3!

 

NVDA 2019.3 is a very significant release containing many under-the-hood changes including the upgrade of Python 2 to Python 3, and a major re-write of NVDA’s speech subsystem. Although these changes do break compatibility with older NVDA add-ons, the upgrade to Python 3 is necessary for security, and the changes to speech allow for some exciting innovations in the near future.

Other highlights in this release include 64 bit support for Java VMs, Screen Curtain and Focus Highlight functionality, support for more braille displays and a new Braille viewer, and many many other bug fixes.

Please note, after updating any software, it is a good idea to restart the computer. Restart by going to the Shutdown dialog, selecting “restart” and pressing ENTER. Updating software can change files which are in use. This can lead to instability and strange behaviour which is resolved by rebooting. This is the first thing to try if you do notice anything odd after updating.

 

To read the full release, and download NVDA, please see the announcement at: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-3-released/

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

-- 

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

 

Re: Donation Too nerve wracking

Pascal Lambert
 

I followed the link to the page provided by Quinten.  I used the arrows and it did not budge.  Please do not assume, I did not experience any anxiety and I was trying to make a one time donation.  Please be kind in the way you respond.

Blessings

Pascal

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 11:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

 

I honestly have no idea what donate page you're going to, but the custom fields on the NV Access donate page has a default value of 50 for the monthly option. You can use your arrow keys to decrease or increase the amount. The buttons are clearly labeled, although, I'd remove that uses, donate a, fabulous, adjective at the beginning. That's my only gripe with it. The edit fields can be controlled with the up and down arrow keys, so I have absolutely no idea what donate page you're visiting. You're right, I didn't experience a fraction of the anxiety you experienced, at all.

Also, even with 1 touch login on PayPal, you still have to manually approve the purchase. It doesn't happen automatically. It just logs you in automatically to PayPal.