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Re: web pages not refreshing

 

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 04:25 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Just to confirm firstly that this was never an NVDA issue - the problem occurred in Chrome 80 which came out a few weeks ago and so a lot of people noticed it around the same time NVDA 2019.3 came out.
 
A classic example of a coincidence in both senses of the word.   Dontcha just hate when those happen!!
 
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Re: web pages not refreshing

Quentin Christensen
 

Shaun,

Good theory.  The problem, I believe, is that, Edge, or another browser based on Chromium, will only get a fix from the new version of Chrome, once they update their version of Chromium to the new version.  In the same way that if something gets fixed in a new build of eSpeak NG today, it will only appear in NVDA once we update to a new build of eSpeak NG and then push out a new version of NVDA.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 8:07 AM Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

I don't need this all day in chrome thank goodness but I have noticed it.

That does bring up another interesting question though

If google chrome is doing this, then chromium itself is doing this.

If chromium itself is doing this then edge is doing this as well as every other chromium based brouser.

So when google fix chromium and it becomes stable, then everything should fix itself at the same time or am I being to simplistic.



On 27/02/2020 10:00 am, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hi.

I’ve seen this issue as well. Glad it’s being fixed 😊

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 3:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] web pages not refreshing

 

This seems fixed in Chrome 81 Beta which is scheduled to be released on March 17th.

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Felix G.
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. Februar 2020 21:46
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] web pages not refreshing

 

Hello,

This issue has persistently eluded my attempts at reproducing it reliably, but I keep seeing it. I can confirm it seems to affect Chromium-based browsers only.

Best,

Felix

 

Greg Wocher <gwocher@...> schrieb am Mi. 26. Feb. 2020 um 21:16:

Hello,
I have seen this issue with JAWS 2020. It happens to me quite frequently on Amazon. I have seen it with NVDA as well but not quite as often. I mainly see this behavior in chromium based browsers. I have not noticed it in Firefox.

Greg Wocher


> On Feb 26, 2020, at 2:09 PM, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
>
> Some say that the problem with web pages not refreshing is a browser problem and not a NVDA issue.  I just went to several web pages using Google Chrome and Jaws 2020 and the web pages refreshed as they should. So for me anyway it seems to be a NVDA issue.
>
>
>
>




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Re: web pages not refreshing

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

Just to confirm firstly that this was never an NVDA issue - the problem occurred in Chrome 80 which came out a few weeks ago and so a lot of people noticed it around the same time NVDA 2019.3 came out.

Google have addressed the issue for Chrome 81, which is currently in Beta (it works as expected in current betas of Chrome).  Chrome 81 is due for public release on March 17.  So, in the meantime, you can either use the various workarounds (tab, f5, etc), or switch to the beta version of Chrome (only really recommended if you are interested in testing pre-release software - much the same as our recommendation for using, or not using, alpha versions of NVDA).


Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 5:52 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
The way to have checked this before the recent information came out would have been very simple.  You would run the last version of NVDA, either as a portable or installed program, and tested the same situations in Chrome that are causing problems with the newest NVDA version. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] web pages not refreshing

It is not a NVDA issue at all. When running portable google chrome beta 8.1 the problem disappears. It is a problem with chrome 8.0.x. Chrome 8.1 is scheduled to be released mid of March.

Cheers,
  Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Mittwoch, 26. Februar 2020 19:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] web pages not refreshing

I have found that sometimes the insert F5 does not resolve the problem and that a alt tab does.  It sure would be nice if this issue was resolved as part of a NVDA update if it is really a NVDA issue.

On 2/26/2020 10:42 AM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:
> Good morning:  The windows hotkey of f5 also refreshes as well. Have
> you tried this key stroke?
>
> Dave
>
>
> On 2/20/2020 1:27 PM, Don H wrote:
>> Running NVDA 2019.3.1 on a win 10 laptop using either Google Chrome
>> or Microsoft Edge as my browser.
>> Running into more and more issues with web pages not being refreshed
>> so that NVDA reads the new page after hitting enter on a link or
>> other control.  Have to use the alt tab keys to get NVDA back on the
>> new refreshed page.
>> Is this issue being addressed by the NVDA development team?
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>









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Re: web pages not refreshing

 

I don't need this all day in chrome thank goodness but I have noticed it.

That does bring up another interesting question though

If google chrome is doing this, then chromium itself is doing this.

If chromium itself is doing this then edge is doing this as well as every other chromium based brouser.

So when google fix chromium and it becomes stable, then everything should fix itself at the same time or am I being to simplistic.



On 27/02/2020 10:00 am, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hi.

I’ve seen this issue as well. Glad it’s being fixed 😊

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 3:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] web pages not refreshing

 

This seems fixed in Chrome 81 Beta which is scheduled to be released on March 17th.

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Felix G.
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. Februar 2020 21:46
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] web pages not refreshing

 

Hello,

This issue has persistently eluded my attempts at reproducing it reliably, but I keep seeing it. I can confirm it seems to affect Chromium-based browsers only.

Best,

Felix

 

Greg Wocher <gwocher@...> schrieb am Mi. 26. Feb. 2020 um 21:16:

Hello,
I have seen this issue with JAWS 2020. It happens to me quite frequently on Amazon. I have seen it with NVDA as well but not quite as often. I mainly see this behavior in chromium based browsers. I have not noticed it in Firefox.

Greg Wocher


> On Feb 26, 2020, at 2:09 PM, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
>
> Some say that the problem with web pages not refreshing is a browser problem and not a NVDA issue.  I just went to several web pages using Google Chrome and Jaws 2020 and the web pages refreshed as they should. So for me anyway it seems to be a NVDA issue.
>
>
>
>



Re: web pages not refreshing

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi.

I’ve seen this issue as well. Glad it’s being fixed 😊

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 3:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] web pages not refreshing

 

This seems fixed in Chrome 81 Beta which is scheduled to be released on March 17th.

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Felix G.
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. Februar 2020 21:46
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] web pages not refreshing

 

Hello,

This issue has persistently eluded my attempts at reproducing it reliably, but I keep seeing it. I can confirm it seems to affect Chromium-based browsers only.

Best,

Felix

 

Greg Wocher <gwocher@...> schrieb am Mi. 26. Feb. 2020 um 21:16:

Hello,
I have seen this issue with JAWS 2020. It happens to me quite frequently on Amazon. I have seen it with NVDA as well but not quite as often. I mainly see this behavior in chromium based browsers. I have not noticed it in Firefox.

Greg Wocher


> On Feb 26, 2020, at 2:09 PM, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
>
> Some say that the problem with web pages not refreshing is a browser problem and not a NVDA issue.  I just went to several web pages using Google Chrome and Jaws 2020 and the web pages refreshed as they should. So for me anyway it seems to be a NVDA issue.
>
>
>
>



Re: web pages not refreshing

Adriani Botez
 

This seems fixed in Chrome 81 Beta which is scheduled to be released on March 17th.

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Felix G.
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. Februar 2020 21:46
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] web pages not refreshing

 

Hello,

This issue has persistently eluded my attempts at reproducing it reliably, but I keep seeing it. I can confirm it seems to affect Chromium-based browsers only.

Best,

Felix

 

Greg Wocher <gwocher@...> schrieb am Mi. 26. Feb. 2020 um 21:16:

Hello,
I have seen this issue with JAWS 2020. It happens to me quite frequently on Amazon. I have seen it with NVDA as well but not quite as often. I mainly see this behavior in chromium based browsers. I have not noticed it in Firefox.

Greg Wocher


> On Feb 26, 2020, at 2:09 PM, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
>
> Some say that the problem with web pages not refreshing is a browser problem and not a NVDA issue.  I just went to several web pages using Google Chrome and Jaws 2020 and the web pages refreshed as they should. So for me anyway it seems to be a NVDA issue.
>
>
>
>




UIA issue in Office 365.

 

I filed a new bug, if anybody has any solutions, other than turning off UIA which fixes the problem. I was hoping to keep it on, though. Anyway, my issue is below. It's a link. I know the formatting is weird but I don't have enough energy to fix it. If anybody needs me to add to the post, I'll come back and edit it tomorrow.

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10821


Re: vocalizer speech addon for NVDA

Don H
 

I purchased the code factory version

On 2/26/2020 2:33 PM, Mike Sedmak wrote:
At guys sells the synth, but is not the developer. Did you buy the
Tiplotechnia (sp?) or code factory version?
On 2/26/20, Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:
I & others have reported this issue w/Eloquence & 1core voices as
well, so it looks like the Vocalizer synths can also be added to those
that don't increase pitch w/capitalization as anticipated.

On 2/26/20, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
I purchased the Vocalizer NVDA addon from A T Guys. It works fairly
well except for having the ability to have the pitch raised at a level
that is detectable. My biggest issue is not getting any response from
the support team at A T Guys having sent several requests for support
and not getting any response from A T Guys.





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Re: web pages not refreshing

Felix G.
 

Hello,
This issue has persistently eluded my attempts at reproducing it reliably, but I keep seeing it. I can confirm it seems to affect Chromium-based browsers only.
Best,
Felix

Greg Wocher <gwocher@...> schrieb am Mi. 26. Feb. 2020 um 21:16:

Hello,
I have seen this issue with JAWS 2020. It happens to me quite frequently on Amazon. I have seen it with NVDA as well but not quite as often. I mainly see this behavior in chromium based browsers. I have not noticed it in Firefox.

Greg Wocher


> On Feb 26, 2020, at 2:09 PM, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
>
> Some say that the problem with web pages not refreshing is a browser problem and not a NVDA issue.  I just went to several web pages using Google Chrome and Jaws 2020 and the web pages refreshed as they should. So for me anyway it seems to be a NVDA issue.
>
>
>
>





Re: Using NVDA with Google Chrome and Microsoft Edge

 

Can you give us a version number of Microsoft Edge and Chrome?





On 2/26/2020 3:27 PM, Sandra Johnson wrote:

Hello:

 

I am new to this list and using NVDA.  I had Jaws on my Windows 7 computer and only used NVDA occasionally.  Now that I have Windows 10 my Jaws is too old so I am relying on NVDA and the limited ability of Narrator.  I am having trouble with Chrome and Edge.  I have the latest version of NVDA, Edge and Chrome on a Windows 10 Pro computer.  When I go to Edge or Chrome I get a lot of unnecessary characters and symbols reading me font sizes, line spacing and other nonsense.  It does not happen with Internet Explorer only Edge and Chrome.  What NVDA settings do I have to change to make this stop happening?  Any help will be appreciated.  The Microsoft help desk was not able to solve this problem even after three calls.    

 

Sandra Johnson

SLJohnson25@...

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Using NVDA with Google Chrome and Microsoft Edge

Sandra Johnson <SLJohnson25@...>
 

Hello:

 

I am new to this list and using NVDA.  I had Jaws on my Windows 7 computer and only used NVDA occasionally.  Now that I have Windows 10 my Jaws is too old so I am relying on NVDA and the limited ability of Narrator.  I am having trouble with Chrome and Edge.  I have the latest version of NVDA, Edge and Chrome on a Windows 10 Pro computer.  When I go to Edge or Chrome I get a lot of unnecessary characters and symbols reading me font sizes, line spacing and other nonsense.  It does not happen with Internet Explorer only Edge and Chrome.  What NVDA settings do I have to change to make this stop happening?  Any help will be appreciated.  The Microsoft help desk was not able to solve this problem even after three calls.    

 

Sandra Johnson

SLJohnson25@...

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: vocalizer speech addon for NVDA

Mike Sedmak
 

At guys sells the synth, but is not the developer. Did you buy the
Tiplotechnia (sp?) or code factory version?

On 2/26/20, Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:
I & others have reported this issue w/Eloquence & 1core voices as
well, so it looks like the Vocalizer synths can also be added to those
that don't increase pitch w/capitalization as anticipated.

On 2/26/20, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
I purchased the Vocalizer NVDA addon from A T Guys. It works fairly
well except for having the ability to have the pitch raised at a level
that is detectable. My biggest issue is not getting any response from
the support team at A T Guys having sent several requests for support
and not getting any response from A T Guys.





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Re: web pages not refreshing

Greg Wocher
 

Hello,
I have seen this issue with JAWS 2020. It happens to me quite frequently on Amazon. I have seen it with NVDA as well but not quite as often. I mainly see this behavior in chromium based browsers. I have not noticed it in Firefox.

Greg Wocher

On Feb 26, 2020, at 2:09 PM, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:

Some say that the problem with web pages not refreshing is a browser problem and not a NVDA issue. I just went to several web pages using Google Chrome and Jaws 2020 and the web pages refreshed as they should. So for me anyway it seems to be a NVDA issue.




Re: NVDA 2019.3.1 Not saying selected and unselected

David Mackenzie
 

Hi,


That helped.


Doh! I had 3rd party voice Ivona 2 Amy selected.

DaaveApparently not now fully compatible. Shaame, otherwise seems to work well.

On 26/02/2020 15:42, Roger Stewart wrote:
All I can say is this is working fine for me here. It always announces the item I land on whether by arrowing or using first letter navigation.
Roger





On 2/26/2020 9:33 AM, David Mackenzie wrote:
Hi,

With 19.3.1 and windows 10 (up-to-date) NVDA will not say selected or unselected on highlighted files/folders/shortcuts when typingCtrl and space bar.  If I do a quick search using the first letter, the first instance of a file/ folder/shortcut is selected, but not spoken by NVDA, I have to arrow down then up to confirm selection.


This true onn 3 Differemt Computerrs tried, one brand new.


All add-ons have been removed.  The situation is the same when loading NVDA 19.3.1 onto a brand new computer.

Reinstalling 19.2.1 resolves the problem.

Any help is appreciated.  Is this a bug or will changing a setting resolve this?

Thank you,

David Mackenzie













web pages not refreshing

Don H
 

Some say that the problem with web pages not refreshing is a browser problem and not a NVDA issue. I just went to several web pages using Google Chrome and Jaws 2020 and the web pages refreshed as they should. So for me anyway it seems to be a NVDA issue.


Re: web pages not refreshing

Gene
 

The way to have checked this before the recent information came out would have been very simple.  You would run the last version of NVDA, either as a portable or installed program, and tested the same situations in Chrome that are causing problems with the newest NVDA version. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] web pages not refreshing

It is not a NVDA issue at all. When running portable google chrome beta 8.1 the problem disappears. It is a problem with chrome 8.0.x. Chrome 8.1 is scheduled to be released mid of March.

Cheers,
  Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Mittwoch, 26. Februar 2020 19:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] web pages not refreshing

I have found that sometimes the insert F5 does not resolve the problem and that a alt tab does.  It sure would be nice if this issue was resolved as part of a NVDA update if it is really a NVDA issue.

On 2/26/2020 10:42 AM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:
> Good morning:  The windows hotkey of f5 also refreshes as well. Have
> you tried this key stroke?
>
> Dave
>
>
> On 2/20/2020 1:27 PM, Don H wrote:
>> Running NVDA 2019.3.1 on a win 10 laptop using either Google Chrome
>> or Microsoft Edge as my browser.
>> Running into more and more issues with web pages not being refreshed
>> so that NVDA reads the new page after hitting enter on a link or
>> other control.  Have to use the alt tab keys to get NVDA back on the
>> new refreshed page.
>> Is this issue being addressed by the NVDA development team?
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>








Re: vocalizer speech addon for NVDA

Jackie
 

I & others have reported this issue w/Eloquence & 1core voices as
well, so it looks like the Vocalizer synths can also be added to those
that don't increase pitch w/capitalization as anticipated.

On 2/26/20, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
I purchased the Vocalizer NVDA addon from A T Guys. It works fairly
well except for having the ability to have the pitch raised at a level
that is detectable. My biggest issue is not getting any response from
the support team at A T Guys having sent several requests for support
and not getting any response from A T Guys.




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Re: web pages not refreshing

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

It is not a NVDA issue at all. When running portable google chrome beta 8.1 the problem disappears. It is a problem with chrome 8.0.x. Chrome 8.1 is scheduled to be released mid of March.

Cheers,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Mittwoch, 26. Februar 2020 19:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] web pages not refreshing

I have found that sometimes the insert F5 does not resolve the problem and that a alt tab does. It sure would be nice if this issue was resolved as part of a NVDA update if it is really a NVDA issue.

On 2/26/2020 10:42 AM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:
Good morning: The windows hotkey of f5 also refreshes as well. Have
you tried this key stroke?

Dave


On 2/20/2020 1:27 PM, Don H wrote:
Running NVDA 2019.3.1 on a win 10 laptop using either Google Chrome
or Microsoft Edge as my browser.
Running into more and more issues with web pages not being refreshed
so that NVDA reads the new page after hitting enter on a link or
other control. Have to use the alt tab keys to get NVDA back on the
new refreshed page.
Is this issue being addressed by the NVDA development team?
Thanks






Re: web pages not refreshing

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


Part of a message below about chrome.


We've had a couple of reports of similar things.  I can reproduce at least some of the issues as well.  I believe they stem from recent Chrome updates (since Chrome updates itself behind the scenes, it can be hard to notice until something goes wrong, and when it comes around the time you've updated something like your screen reader, it's easy to be unsure exactly who to blame).


Gene nz

On 27/02/2020 7:07 am, Don H wrote:
I have found that sometimes the insert F5 does not resolve the problem and that a alt tab does.  It sure would be nice if this issue was resolved as part of a NVDA update if it is really a NVDA issue.

On 2/26/2020 10:42 AM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:
Good morning:  The windows hotkey of f5 also refreshes as well. Have you tried this key stroke?

Dave


On 2/20/2020 1:27 PM, Don H wrote:
Running NVDA 2019.3.1 on a win 10 laptop using either Google Chrome or Microsoft Edge as my browser.
Running into more and more issues with web pages not being refreshed so that NVDA reads the new page after hitting enter on a link or other control.  Have to use the alt tab keys to get NVDA back on the new refreshed page.
Is this issue being addressed by the NVDA development team?
Thanks







vocalizer speech addon for NVDA

Don H
 

I purchased the Vocalizer NVDA addon from A T Guys. It works fairly well except for having the ability to have the pitch raised at a level that is detectable. My biggest issue is not getting any response from the support team at A T Guys having sent several requests for support and not getting any response from A T Guys.