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locked Re: Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

 

It is generally a given, and always has been, that compatibility with non-supported Windows versions will not be maintained if any changes to upcoming code are required to achieve same (at least for the general public, there have been private, and very expensive, arrangements for extended support).

Most backward compatibility is the result of chance, not intent, when the OS that the application happens to be compatible with is out of support.  It just depends on when the next "tectonic shift" in a given piece of code occurs to keep it current and able to keep moving forward.  If a break occurs when that happens, then it's always been considered a normal part of the bargain.  All software has a finite service life, whether OS or application.  And it works in both directions as well.  There are applications from virtually all pre-Windows 7 versions that won't run on 8 or later.  'Twas ever thus.
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Re: Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

Sky Mundell
 

Correct! I totally get your point and I agree with you 100%.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 11:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

 

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 02:02 PM, Sky Mundell wrote:

I am certainly in favor of client
choice and I am in favor of cheaper stuff but at the moment its going to be
real tough to get organisations to realize that NVDA even exists let alone
trying it out.

And having slogged that road I can say you're correct.  That being said, it's only if we keep beating the NVDA-option drum that it will ever make inroads in both commercial and academic environments to a much greater extent than it already has.

JAWS being the "granddaddy of all screen readers" means that it has a massively huge head start.  But I think Vispero sees the writing on the wall, as both NVDA and Narrator are both strong competitors, and will only keep becoming stronger ones.  I believe that's why the whole new subscription licensing came into existence.  People are now balking at what had historically been asked as far as price for JAWS.
 
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locked Re: Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

Jackie
 

It's unfair to ask developers to support unsupported software. They've
got enough on their plate to keep up w/new technologies, & often these
are incompatible w/older ones. Not only so, but by extension, folks
who ask this are basically asking developers to support software which
both parties have been warned are a security risk, & ethically many
developers don't feel they either can or want to do that.

On 3/23/20, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi,

The exact statements from NV Access and developers back then were that using
XP is now a security risk for many, and that people can use NVDA 2017.3 and
old add-ons should they need to use XP and friends. As for my statement back
then, it referred to my own add-ons. The statement I wrote below covers
cases where a user would write to developers asking us to make certain new
features available for old releases, which cannot be done, particularly now
that we have fully moved onto Python 3.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 10:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and
Windows XP support requests: no more, period



Hi, I don’t remember the time you and NVDA developers did say xp support was
no longer going to work for users who still want to continue using xp. You
did say maybe 2 or 3 years ago you were going to no longer support xp and
vista. I think windows 7 is next.



Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
10



From: Joseph Lee <mailto:@joslee>
Sent: March 22, 2020 3:01 PM
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io
<mailto:nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and Windows
XP support requests: no more, period



Hello NVDA users and add-on developers,



First, I would like to reiterate how important it is that everyone listen to
advice from reputable sources regarding COVID-19, including public health
officials recommending folks to exercise social distancing for a while. Even
if you do not feel sick, please help others by washing hands, practice
social distancing, and monitor the situation regarding the pandemic and
community spread. And since the NVDA community is a global movement, please
support each other.



Onto the matter at hand: for several days I have received requests about
NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support. Requests have included making add-ons
compatible with Windows XP again, compatibility issues, and backporting
newer NVDA bug fixes and features to users of NVDA 2017.3, the last version
compatible with Windows XP.



At the moment there is no community guidance on support for Windows XP, with
many people asking others to upgrade to newer Windows releases. But as an
individual add-on author and a contributor to NVDA screen reader project, I
would like to take this time to make the following personal announcement:



Effective April 15, 2020, if you ask me to do one or more of the following
for Windows XP users, the answer you will get is, “sorry, no more, period.”
These include:



* Making add-ons compatible with Windows XP, Server 2003, Vista, and Server
2008
* Fixing compatibility issues and non-working add-ons after you knowingly
install newer add-on releases on NVDA 2017.3 or earlier
* Backporting features and bug fixes from newer NVDA releases to NVDA
2017.3
* Maintaining a long-term support version of NVDA for Windows XP/Server
2003/Vista/Server 2008 users



Most importantly, I will flatly say “no” if you ask me privately to ask NV
Access and/or add-on developers about Windows XP support. Many features
introduced in newer NVDA releases cannot be backported for various reasons,
including risk of crashing NVDA (grammar error announcement, for example),
incompatibility with Python 2 (broader Unicode support, for example),
features that will not work properly with XP (screen curtain, for example),
support for apps no longer recommended for wider use (outlook Express, for
example), and broad changes that alters how add-ons work (speech refactor
and multi-category settings dialog, for example). Several add-on authors
have indicated reluctance to support XP, and in case of add-ons I’m either
maintaining or have passed onto the community, none of them support NVDA
2019.2.1 or earlier, let alone Windows XP and friends.



My personal statement above will not be in effect until April so that you
can help others going through COVID-19 and for my statement as an individual
developer to sink in. Note that I’m not speaking on behalf of other
developers – others have their own policies regarding support for Windows
XP. NV Access does provide a download link for NVDA 2017.3, the last version
compatible with Windows XP.



I know my statement is a huge blow to many of you. As much as I wanted folks
to understand that end of support means end of support, and I understand
that many of you cannot afford newer equipment and software releases
(including moving to newer Windows releases), I felt it is time to make a
bold statement and say “no” to Windows XP support. In the past, I did note
on various NVDA forums that my add-ons will not and does not support Windows
XP, but didn’t announce a statement like this then, hoping that folks will
understand the reality at last. But alas, it is time to officially close the
doors to Windows XP support from my end – once again, this is an individual
developer saying this, not on behalf of the community at large, knowing that
others will make statements on their own.



Thank you for understanding.

Cheers,

Joseph








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Re: Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

 

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 02:02 PM, Sky Mundell wrote:
I am certainly in favor of client
choice and I am in favor of cheaper stuff but at the moment its going to be
real tough to get organisations to realize that NVDA even exists let alone
trying it out.
And having slogged that road I can say you're correct.  That being said, it's only if we keep beating the NVDA-option drum that it will ever make inroads in both commercial and academic environments to a much greater extent than it already has.

JAWS being the "granddaddy of all screen readers" means that it has a massively huge head start.  But I think Vispero sees the writing on the wall, as both NVDA and Narrator are both strong competitors, and will only keep becoming stronger ones.  I believe that's why the whole new subscription licensing came into existence.  People are now balking at what had historically been asked as far as price for JAWS.
 
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Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

Sky Mundell
 

Hello guys . I do agree with everybody about what they're saying. However, I
am going to point something out to you, and that is, as a 6 year adaptive
tech trainer who has trained blind students in screen readers, I have to say
that there are folks out there that won't give up there screen reader too
easily. As an example, I do have friends out there that know that NVDA
exists, and so on and so forth, but a lot of them think that if something is
cheaper, it is inferior. I'll give you an example. I do have a friend in
California who has heard of NVDA, and her blind friends know that NVDA
exists, and they have tried it but they end up going back to JAWS because
its what they know. Also Many of the institutions that I've come across have
never heard of NVDA, or if they have heard of it, they assume that it is
incomplete or inferior because they have seem more than one person use JAWS
and iPhones so they think, all blind folks use, are JAWS screen reader, and
iPhones. Which, as you and I know, is not true. As, while JAWS and iPhone's
are certainly used, not everybody uses, or cannot afford, either JAWS, or
iPhone. Another example is that I have a relative that works at a
university, and they use JAWS and I bet if they have heard of NVDA they
would be reluctant to try it because they would, once again, assume it is
incomplete, and inferior. Sadly, there is no support for NVDA in the school
districts that I am aware of where I am. I am certainly in favor of client
choice and I am in favor of cheaper stuff but at the moment its going to be
real tough to get organisations to realize that NVDA even exists let alone
trying it out.


Can't install NVDA 2020 beta I

Lino Morales
 

Hi all. Can’t install NVDA 2020 beta I. Just beeps away. Running WIN 10 current Insider build. I don’t know if this a bad file that was uploaded or not.

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

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locked Re: Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

 

Hi,

The exact statements from NV Access and developers back then were that using XP is now a security risk for many, and that people can use NVDA 2017.3 and old add-ons should they need to use XP and friends. As for my statement back then, it referred to my own add-ons. The statement I wrote below covers cases where a user would write to developers asking us to make certain new features available for old releases, which cannot be done, particularly now that we have fully moved onto Python 3.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 10:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

 

Hi, I don’t remember the time you and NVDA developers did say xp support was no longer going to work for users who still want to continue using xp.  You did say maybe 2 or 3 years ago you were going to no longer support xp and vista.  I think windows 7 is next. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: March 22, 2020 3:01 PM
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

 

Hello NVDA users and add-on developers,

 

First, I would like to reiterate how important it is that everyone listen to advice from reputable sources regarding COVID-19, including public health officials recommending folks to exercise social distancing for a while. Even if you do not feel sick, please help others by washing hands, practice social distancing, and monitor the situation regarding the pandemic and community spread. And since the NVDA community is a global movement, please support each other.

 

Onto the matter at hand: for several days I have received requests about NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support. Requests have included making add-ons compatible with Windows XP again, compatibility issues, and backporting newer NVDA bug fixes and features to users of NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.

 

At the moment there is no community guidance on support for Windows XP, with many people  asking others to upgrade to newer Windows releases. But as an individual add-on author and a contributor to NVDA screen reader project, I would like to take this time to make the following personal announcement:

 

Effective April 15, 2020, if you ask me to do one or more of the following for Windows XP users, the answer you will get is, “sorry, no more, period.” These include:

 

  • Making add-ons compatible with Windows XP, Server 2003, Vista, and Server 2008
  • Fixing compatibility issues and non-working add-ons after you knowingly install newer add-on releases on NVDA 2017.3 or earlier
  • Backporting features and bug fixes from newer NVDA releases to NVDA 2017.3
  • Maintaining a long-term support version of NVDA for Windows XP/Server 2003/Vista/Server 2008 users

 

Most importantly, I will flatly say “no” if you ask me privately to ask NV Access and/or add-on developers about Windows XP support. Many features introduced in newer NVDA releases cannot be backported for various reasons, including risk of crashing NVDA (grammar error announcement, for example), incompatibility with Python 2 (broader Unicode support, for example), features that will not work properly with XP (screen curtain, for example), support for apps no longer recommended for wider use (outlook Express, for example), and broad changes that alters how add-ons work (speech refactor and multi-category settings dialog, for example). Several add-on authors have indicated reluctance to support XP, and in case of add-ons I’m either maintaining or have passed onto the community, none of them support NVDA 2019.2.1 or earlier, let alone Windows XP and friends.

 

My personal statement above will not be in effect until April so that you can help others going through COVID-19 and for my statement as an individual developer to sink in. Note that I’m not speaking on behalf of other developers – others have their own policies regarding support for Windows XP. NV Access does provide a download link for NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.

 

I know my statement is a huge blow to many of you. As much as I wanted folks to understand that end of support means end of support, and I understand that many of you cannot afford newer equipment and software releases (including moving to newer Windows releases), I felt it is time to make a bold statement and say “no” to Windows XP support. In the past, I did note on various NVDA forums that my add-ons will not and does not support Windows XP, but didn’t announce a statement like this then, hoping that folks will understand the reality at last. But alas, it is time to officially close the doors to Windows XP support from my end – once again, this is an individual developer saying this, not on behalf of the community at large, knowing that others will make statements on their own.

 

Thank you for understanding.

Cheers,

Joseph

 


locked Re: Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

Arlene
 

Hi, I don’t remember the time you and NVDA developers did say xp support was no longer going to work for users who still want to continue using xp.  You did say maybe 2 or 3 years ago you were going to no longer support xp and vista.  I think windows 7 is next. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: March 22, 2020 3:01 PM
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

 

Hello NVDA users and add-on developers,

 

First, I would like to reiterate how important it is that everyone listen to advice from reputable sources regarding COVID-19, including public health officials recommending folks to exercise social distancing for a while. Even if you do not feel sick, please help others by washing hands, practice social distancing, and monitor the situation regarding the pandemic and community spread. And since the NVDA community is a global movement, please support each other.

 

Onto the matter at hand: for several days I have received requests about NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support. Requests have included making add-ons compatible with Windows XP again, compatibility issues, and backporting newer NVDA bug fixes and features to users of NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.

 

At the moment there is no community guidance on support for Windows XP, with many people  asking others to upgrade to newer Windows releases. But as an individual add-on author and a contributor to NVDA screen reader project, I would like to take this time to make the following personal announcement:

 

Effective April 15, 2020, if you ask me to do one or more of the following for Windows XP users, the answer you will get is, “sorry, no more, period.” These include:

 

  • Making add-ons compatible with Windows XP, Server 2003, Vista, and Server 2008
  • Fixing compatibility issues and non-working add-ons after you knowingly install newer add-on releases on NVDA 2017.3 or earlier
  • Backporting features and bug fixes from newer NVDA releases to NVDA 2017.3
  • Maintaining a long-term support version of NVDA for Windows XP/Server 2003/Vista/Server 2008 users

 

Most importantly, I will flatly say “no” if you ask me privately to ask NV Access and/or add-on developers about Windows XP support. Many features introduced in newer NVDA releases cannot be backported for various reasons, including risk of crashing NVDA (grammar error announcement, for example), incompatibility with Python 2 (broader Unicode support, for example), features that will not work properly with XP (screen curtain, for example), support for apps no longer recommended for wider use (outlook Express, for example), and broad changes that alters how add-ons work (speech refactor and multi-category settings dialog, for example). Several add-on authors have indicated reluctance to support XP, and in case of add-ons I’m either maintaining or have passed onto the community, none of them support NVDA 2019.2.1 or earlier, let alone Windows XP and friends.

 

My personal statement above will not be in effect until April so that you can help others going through COVID-19 and for my statement as an individual developer to sink in. Note that I’m not speaking on behalf of other developers – others have their own policies regarding support for Windows XP. NV Access does provide a download link for NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.

 

I know my statement is a huge blow to many of you. As much as I wanted folks to understand that end of support means end of support, and I understand that many of you cannot afford newer equipment and software releases (including moving to newer Windows releases), I felt it is time to make a bold statement and say “no” to Windows XP support. In the past, I did note on various NVDA forums that my add-ons will not and does not support Windows XP, but didn’t announce a statement like this then, hoping that folks will understand the reality at last. But alas, it is time to officially close the doors to Windows XP support from my end – once again, this is an individual developer saying this, not on behalf of the community at large, knowing that others will make statements on their own.

 

Thank you for understanding.

Cheers,

Joseph

 


locked Re: Free License Offer: Tweet by Freedom Scientific on Twitter

 

I have absolutely no love whatsoever for Vispero, but if this topic isn't an example of, "No good deed goes unpunished," then nothing could be.

Since the necessary information is out, and for which I thank Laurie Mehta, this topic is now locked.
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locked Re: Free License Offer: Tweet by Freedom Scientific on Twitter

 

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 01:41 PM, Clement Chou wrote:
offer unrestricted licenses for a period of time.
Uh, that's precisely what they're doing.  I don't see any distinction between what I quoted above and "a short term license with a time restriction."  Unless you mean they should be offering this to businesses as well, which I guess they could, but most businesses where JAWS is a need are very likely to have it licensed already.
 
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locked Re: Free License Offer: Tweet by Freedom Scientific on Twitter

 

Vispero/Freedom Scientific is not changing its business model, that's for certain.

But, making JAWS available at home, for 3 months, for those who use it at the office is still a good thing.  If they would happen to get additional subscribers, what's wrong with that?  No one is forcing anyone to take advantage of the offer nor to subscribe when it expires.  And I won't be surprised if there's a "round two" offer were this ongoing pandemic span longer than June 30th (heaven forfend!!).
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locked Re: Free License Offer: Tweet by Freedom Scientific on Twitter

Clement Chou
 

Agreed. And a short term license with a time restriction? No thank
you... it would've made more sense for them to either slash prices or
offer unrestricted licenses for a period of time. Can't tell me they
can't afford to let a few copies go for free with the amount of years
they've been operating.

On 3/23/20, Jesse Farquharson <jesse100rules@...> wrote:
Okay, I have to be honest here. This actually, really, really bothers
me. Making it free in the short term to attract long term customers in
the face of something like the corona virus. It seems more calculated to
benefit their bottom line than help people by, say, slashing license
prices for full licenses by a significant amount.

I'm sorry if this seems harsh, but it's how I feel. As far as I'm aware,
NVDA can do the same things as JAWS, and then some. I can count on one
hand the number of times I've had to use JAWS since I got this computer
almost four years ago.

On 3/23/2020 1:17 PM, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io wrote:
*Freedom Scientific (@FreedomSci <https://twitter.com/freedomsci?s=11>)*
3/23/20, 09:28
<https://twitter.com/freedomsci/status/1242080848574156802?s=11>
1 of 2) We know many of you must remain at home and continue to
work/attend school remotely. To ensure life remains accessible we are
offering those in the US/Canada a Free Home License of JAWS, ZoomText,
or Fusion that will expire 6/30/2020. Learn more:
portal.freedomscientific.com/SponsoredSoftw… <https://t.co/cqZDh618pW>


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locked Re: Free License Offer: Tweet by Freedom Scientific on Twitter

David Mehler
 

This is kind of off topic, IMO, but I'll just say that this jaws offer
does not offer remote support, which I would think home-stuck
users/workers need. I agree with Jesse.

On 3/23/20, Jesse Farquharson <jesse100rules@...> wrote:
Okay, I have to be honest here. This actually, really, really bothers
me. Making it free in the short term to attract long term customers in
the face of something like the corona virus. It seems more calculated to
benefit their bottom line than help people by, say, slashing license
prices for full licenses by a significant amount.

I'm sorry if this seems harsh, but it's how I feel. As far as I'm aware,
NVDA can do the same things as JAWS, and then some. I can count on one
hand the number of times I've had to use JAWS since I got this computer
almost four years ago.

On 3/23/2020 1:17 PM, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io wrote:
*Freedom Scientific (@FreedomSci <https://twitter.com/freedomsci?s=11>)*
3/23/20, 09:28
<https://twitter.com/freedomsci/status/1242080848574156802?s=11>
1 of 2) We know many of you must remain at home and continue to
work/attend school remotely. To ensure life remains accessible we are
offering those in the US/Canada a Free Home License of JAWS, ZoomText,
or Fusion that will expire 6/30/2020. Learn more:
portal.freedomscientific.com/SponsoredSoftw… <https://t.co/cqZDh618pW>


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locked Re: Free License Offer: Tweet by Freedom Scientific on Twitter

Jesse Farquharson
 

Okay, I have to be honest here. This actually, really, really bothers me. Making it free in the short term to attract long term customers in the face of something like the corona virus. It seems more calculated to benefit their bottom line than help people by, say, slashing license prices for full licenses by a significant amount.

I'm sorry if this seems harsh, but it's how I feel. As far as I'm aware, NVDA can do the same things as JAWS, and then some. I can count on one hand the number of times I've had to use JAWS since I got this computer almost four years ago.

On 3/23/2020 1:17 PM, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io wrote:
Freedom Scientific (@FreedomSci)
1 of 2) We know many of you must remain at home and continue to work/attend school remotely. To ensure life remains accessible we are offering those in the US/Canada a Free Home License of JAWS, ZoomText, or Fusion that will expire 6/30/2020. Learn more: portal.freedomscientific.com/SponsoredSoftw…

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locked Re: Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

 

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 12:20 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
I said, NO!
And very clearly, the first time.

No one, and I do mean no one, is actively supporting XP on new software.  There happens to be some that, by chance, remains compatible, but the vast majority is not and has not been for many years.

Those who have to "make do" with XP must keep their own archive of "last compatible versions" for any software they use (in case they would ever need to reinstall) and make do with it.  And I feel a great deal of sympathy for anyone trapped with XP and having to make do, but that doesn't change how the world of technology works.  XP is not only dead as a daily driver OS, but it's proverbial remains have turned to dust.
 
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locked Free License Offer: Tweet by Freedom Scientific on Twitter

Laurie Mehta
 

Freedom Scientific (@FreedomSci)
1 of 2) We know many of you must remain at home and continue to work/attend school remotely. To ensure life remains accessible we are offering those in the US/Canada a Free Home License of JAWS, ZoomText, or Fusion that will expire 6/30/2020. Learn more: portal.freedomscientific.com/SponsoredSoftw…

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locked Re: Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

 

Hi,
I said, NO!
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 3:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

hi joseph.
as i mentioned in my emails, i only need two or three fixed in newer versions of nvda for backporting to the supported versions of nvda on xp.
and i promise that my request does not cause nvda crashing or unresponsiveness in any version of windows!
my requests are only specific for firefox and contains important fixes which i am sure benefits everyone.

On 3/23/20, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hello NVDA users and add-on developers,



First, I would like to reiterate how important it is that everyone
listen to advice from reputable sources regarding COVID-19, including
public health officials recommending folks to exercise social
distancing for a while.
Even
if you do not feel sick, please help others by washing hands, practice
social distancing, and monitor the situation regarding the pandemic
and community spread. And since the NVDA community is a global
movement, please support each other.



Onto the matter at hand: for several days I have received requests
about NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support. Requests have included
making add-ons compatible with Windows XP again, compatibility issues,
and backporting newer NVDA bug fixes and features to users of NVDA
2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



At the moment there is no community guidance on support for Windows
XP, with many people asking others to upgrade to newer Windows
releases. But as an individual add-on author and a contributor to NVDA
screen reader project, I would like to take this time to make the
following personal announcement:



Effective April 15, 2020, if you ask me to do one or more of the
following for Windows XP users, the answer you will get is, "sorry, no more, period."
These include:



* Making add-ons compatible with Windows XP, Server 2003, Vista, and
Server 2008
* Fixing compatibility issues and non-working add-ons after you
knowingly install newer add-on releases on NVDA 2017.3 or earlier
* Backporting features and bug fixes from newer NVDA releases to NVDA
2017.3
* Maintaining a long-term support version of NVDA for Windows
XP/Server 2003/Vista/Server 2008 users



Most importantly, I will flatly say "no" if you ask me privately to
ask NV Access and/or add-on developers about Windows XP support. Many
features introduced in newer NVDA releases cannot be backported for
various reasons, including risk of crashing NVDA (grammar error
announcement, for example), incompatibility with Python 2 (broader
Unicode support, for example), features that will not work properly
with XP (screen curtain, for example), support for apps no longer
recommended for wider use (outlook Express, for example), and broad
changes that alters how add-ons work (speech refactor and
multi-category settings dialog, for example). Several add-on authors
have indicated reluctance to support XP, and in case of add-ons I'm
either maintaining or have passed onto the community, none of them
support NVDA
2019.2.1 or earlier, let alone Windows XP and friends.



My personal statement above will not be in effect until April so that
you can help others going through COVID-19 and for my statement as an
individual developer to sink in. Note that I'm not speaking on behalf
of other developers - others have their own policies regarding support
for Windows XP. NV Access does provide a download link for NVDA
2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



I know my statement is a huge blow to many of you. As much as I wanted
folks to understand that end of support means end of support, and I
understand that many of you cannot afford newer equipment and software
releases (including moving to newer Windows releases), I felt it is
time to make a bold statement and say "no" to Windows XP support. In
the past, I did note on various NVDA forums that my add-ons will not
and does not support Windows XP, but didn't announce a statement like
this then, hoping that folks will understand the reality at last. But
alas, it is time to officially close the doors to Windows XP support
from my end - once again, this is an individual developer saying this,
not on behalf of the community at large, knowing that others will make
statements on their own.



Thank you for understanding.

Cheers,

Joseph





--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Edge already works in my language

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hello all,

I have set finally Edge to language Czech. The Edge Chromium is set in English, but finally it is in Czech. It's OK.

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Jarek


Re: eclipse add-on ready for 2019.3 rlease of NVDA?

 

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 11:27 AM, mslion wrote:
I am curious if I can use it with nvda 2019.3.
First major item in the table on the very page you site:  https://github.com/albzan/eclipse-nvda/commit/bd4242fca95653dda421cfd4cd59dc6bd382137a

Since the comment associated is, updated addon for python3 updated scons . . .
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: NVDA 2020.1 beta 1 now available for testing

Gary Metzler
 

Hi Quentin,

 

I am trying beta 1 and so far all is well.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 2:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2020.1 beta 1 now available for testing

 

Hi everyone,

 

NVDA 2020.1 beta 1 is now available for testing. Although a smaller release than 2019.3, it still contains some very important fixes, features and support for more Braille displays than ever. Find out all about what's new and download the beta from: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2020-1beta1-available-for-testing/

 

Kind regards

 

QUentin.

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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager