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locked Re: Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

 

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 04:15 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

The university I do work for has a system brought with xp in mind.

It cost a lot to install and its going to cost more to upgrade since the stuff they use just is not compatible with modern systems.

So that means they have to get rid of and buy completely new hardware and software.

Shaun, what follows is not aimed at you, personally, but at this argument, which seems to be made again and again and again.

That argument is irrelevant, as everyone knows that there are exception conditions and, more importantly, if these systems are not in touch with cyberspace, and a lot of them aren't, the risks are very greatly diminished overall.

The statement that XP should absolutely not be used as an OS is in the context of its use as a "daily driver" in contact with cyberspace.  The same argument can be and is made for all out of support operating systems being used in this way.

If you have the odd situation where any one of them is the OS for which custom software was written, and the whole system that uses it is air-gapped from cyberspace, then you need to consider upgrading as soon as is reasonably possible, but it's not desperately necessary in a lot of cases.  I have an old XP system that hasn't been connected to the internet in many years that I've kept simply because there's a single program on it that's still very useful and where newer versions don't offer much more than what I typically need out of the ancient one.  But I'd never, for a single second, think it's OK to hop on the internet and start surfing the web and doing my online banking.  To do such would be very ill-advised (and, based on my professional experiences, falls into the, "You need to have your head examined!!," category).
 
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Re: Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

Tony Ballou
 

Hey,


Absolutely, couldn't agree with you more about that my friend. When you really think about it, it's difficult to purchase a piece of software that would cost you more than it would be to buy a full workstation, and you have to decide one way or the other which is where I was when I chose to make the full time move to NVDA.  And of course some software that works well with one screen reader may not function as well with another, and you may have to play a bit of a patience and balancing act between things.


I'm currently testing a program called copy trans with a friend of mine who is a jaws user.  One of the many things you can do with this program is sync music from your PC to an I Phone without using iTunes which is only one of the functions of this software. And so far, we've found that the program works with NVDA, but things aren't so good with using jaws with it.  As soon as things become settled here in the states, we are going to try to find a solution to using the program for jaws users. In a perfect world, what works with one should work with all, but as we all know, the world ain't perfect. 


Tony 


On 3/24/2020 9:45 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 09:17 AM, Tony Ballou wrote:
The adage seems to be if what we've got works, why fix or in this case, try to change it.
But, given your background, you also know that money has been getting tighter and tighter and tighter.  There is a very strong case to be made for NVDA on that front, since no one can claim it's not a mature and full-service product (slight differences from JAWS don't make it "not full-service," just somewhat different).

There is also a clear case to be made that supplying software without training, particularly for something as complicated as a screen reader, is a recipe for disaster.  Clients will abandon that which they cannot use even vaguely effectively, and those of us "in this biz" have seen this more times than we care to count.

It's also critical to direct clients to resources such as this very group as part of their training.  There is no way that any trainer/tutor can ever possibly cover what any given individual will ultimately need to do with their screen reader.  Our job is to launch the client with a solid foundation upon which they can build independently, but independently does not mean "alone and without any outside guidance."  Knowing where to turn for assistance when you hit the inevitable, "How in the heck do I do this?!!," class of question is crucial.
 
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Re: Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

Kerryn Gunness
 


thank you for clarifying
 

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On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 03:34 PM, Kerryn Gunness wrote:
when i ask questions about programs i use with NVDA, i am told the group is for NVDA related questions and the thread becomes locked
just asking
There is a worldwide crisis occurring where many individuals are now housebound (including myself).  Many of the members here are transitioning to NVDA from another screen reader, one of which may be JAWS.  In a situation such as this, when a major screen reader vendor offers a free license to use their product it warrants mention throughout the various screen reader online communities.

And, you have apparently not read through the content of this topic at all, which you should do before commenting.   JAWS has been incidental, not central, to it.  You'll find NVDA being mentioned many, many more times than JAWS has been.  It was just the free offer that launched the topic, but it certainly has not been its focus.  And even if the free offer had been its focus, under the current circumstances, I'd allow it.  There are times rules should absolutely be bent.  This is one of those.

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Re: Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

 

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 04:41 PM, Jackie wrote:
I also strongly feel that folks on any given day should have more than 1
screen reader in their arsenal if at all possible, because some are
just better at certain things than others.
You're preachin' to the choir!!   This is something I tell all my clients, even when I can't have the time to teach them the alternative ones.

One need not be equally proficient in multiple screen readers (though it certainly doesn't hurt) but having the basics of several, so that you can try another when the one you prefer is being recalcitrant, makes life much easier.
 
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Re: Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

Jackie
 

I guess perhaps my point was that when helping someone choose a screen
reader, asking how they would like to use it should be 1 of the 1st
questions out of the box, & that if the user indicates a general
purpose scenario, then NVDA would be an excellent choice for that. I
also strongly feel that folks on any given day should have more than 1
screen reader in their arsenal if at all possible, because some are
just better at certain things than others.

On 3/24/20, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 04:01 PM, Jackie wrote:


While I would say that NVDA meets the needs of many "general" users,
unfortunately, there are still some situations where Jaws does what
NVDA can't.
And vice versa.  There are also times where Narrator can do something the
other two don't handle gracefully.

But, under typical circumstances, other than something in the form of, "I
can do [insert thing here] with JAWS/Narrator/Window-Eyes, but can't figure
out how to do it with NVDA," being brought up any extended discussion of
JAWS, Narrator, or Window-Eyes on this group is off-topic.

That would even be true now, today, were the conversation about how to use
JAWS, Narrator, or Window-Eyes.  That's off-topic.

I just wanted to point out in response to the original question what my
reasoning was for allowing the discussion that Freedom Scientific/Vispero
was offering JAWS, Fusion, and ZoomText licenses at no cost to home users
through June 30th.  It's an exception condition, not a change in group
rules.  Group owners and moderators will, occasionally, allow topics for
exception conditions that are generally recognized as such without further
explanation.

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Re: Curiosity questing

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


I think one time when i tried it it wanted to download only. I might of been the browser doing it more and not giving me the option to open the file to run it.

I think it was in my drop box that time to a link on my page. Not sure if it would make a difference if it was on the part where the files are? Guess we have some time to have a play and see if it works?


Gene nz


I think at the time it might of just been the nvda 2019??? file in the one package if i remember SA to go done some thing like that or was it web any where? I just can not remember the address for it.


It would solve a lot of access problems but they would need a address that is easy t remember to start it.



On 24/03/2020 10:57 pm, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
Has anyone investigated whether it is possible to run the NVDA portable version from a web site? I was thinking about what System Access did and wondered if it were possible. If it is then we could have access to speech anywhere we went.
******
If we don't take time to think before we speak we may find ourselves in a situation where our speech becomes a bit stinky!


Re: Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

 

Well tony its worth noting that the only reason nvda is this good is because of its strong web engine and such.

A lot of modern software use a web component and most of that is chromium based.

I have some older software nvda will not work with.

Granted thats not that many bits of software but I do have access to another reader, that I was able to get for nothing by becoming a betatester, and no its not jaws.

People are leary about opensource software in general, security is their argument but everyone likes support packages, comercial support lines and the like.

For myself, my job is mostly online.

I am a frequent web user, using chromium based apps like waterfox, chrome, thunderbird and edge chromium.

Nvda just works out the box.

If there is a problem addons and scripts can easily be written and sometimes people release stuff they thought of and we can see what it does.

In jaws everything needs to be scripted otherwise it doesn't work, just like in windows 98 where everything needs a driver so it will run.

And while like everything there are default scripts for things, in jaws when I used it if it didn't have a script then it wouldn't run at all.

That may have changed since jaws 6 but I am quite happy these days.

With microsoft roling windows out twice a year  I have no idea how users spend the cash on upgrading their comercial reader to use the latest feature update of windows.

On 25/03/2020 2:16 am, Tony Ballou wrote:
Hi,


As a long time adaptive trainer and technical specialist, I have seen this same thing, numerous times. I myself have been an NVDA user for about 8 years or so now.  And I have seen it grow, and improve by leaps and bounds.  Since I first tried it out when situations forced me to moved to a more affordable screen reading solution, I will be the first to admit that I didn't bring any of my clients across because of the familiarity aspects and issues with more of the shall we say mainstream products. However, if they were in a situation where they wanted to purchase a new system from me, I would be sure to install NVDA on it for them so that they would have it at their fingertips if they couldn't afford Jaws and bring them across that way.  Getting schools and organizations to support NVDA is by no means going to be an easy task for they all have been spoon fed on Jaws as the premiere screen reading software for the longest time.  The adage seems to be if what we've got works, why fix or in this case, try to change it.


Tony

On 3/23/2020 2:02 PM, Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello guys . I do agree with everybody about what they're saying. However, I
am going to point something out to you, and that is, as a 6 year adaptive
tech trainer who has trained blind students in screen readers, I have to say
that there are folks out there that won't give up there screen reader too
easily. As an example, I do have friends out there that know that NVDA
exists, and so on and so forth, but a lot of them think that if something is
cheaper, it is inferior. I'll give you an example. I do have a friend in
California who has heard of NVDA, and her blind friends know that NVDA
exists, and they have tried it but they end up going back to JAWS because
its what they know. Also Many of the institutions that I've come across have
never heard of NVDA, or if they have heard of it, they assume that it is
incomplete or inferior because they have seem more than one person use JAWS
and iPhones so they think, all blind folks use, are JAWS screen reader, and
iPhones. Which, as you and I know, is not true. As, while JAWS and iPhone's
are certainly used, not everybody uses, or cannot afford, either JAWS, or
iPhone. Another example is that I have a relative that works at a
university, and they use JAWS and I bet if they have heard of NVDA they
would be reluctant to try it because they would, once again, assume it is
incomplete, and inferior. Sadly,  there is no support for NVDA in the school
districts that I am aware of where I am. I am certainly in favor of client
choice and I am in favor of cheaper stuff but at the moment its going to be
real tough to get organisations to realize that NVDA even exists let alone
trying it out.




locked Re: Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

 

There may be several reasons why you can't upgrade to a modern system.

However as well as the referbished jobs there are x lease business systems.

Now, you may have a spaciffic reason why you can't upgrade.

The university I do work for has a system brought with xp in mind.

It cost a lot to install and its going to cost more to upgrade since the stuff they use just is not compatible with modern systems.

So that means they have to get rid of and buy completely new hardware and software.

There are probably many cases still like that.

Everyone uses virtual machines.

In addition though in this current climate said user is probably unable to get a new system at this time.

Here in nz the covid monster has temperarily locked the country.

From midnight we will be shutting down everything bar food stores.

That means no eating out, and no computer anything.

I just hope we don't have a failure in the month we are schedualed to be offline.

Everyone needs to stay home or keep their bubble as small as they can.

For me this means my immediate family and one other family menber who comes to the house every day for meals and I go to her place to and walk in a bit of bush by her house.

Everyone is also locked to their community.

We havn't entered final shutdown yet but we will.



On 24/03/2020 11:38 pm, Robert Kingett wrote:

I don't understand why people are still running XP and then actually expecting long term support? Never has made sense to me, at all. If you want some discounted computers, check below.

ComCast essentials offers refurbished computers to customers, especially during their free internet giveaway.

Computers for the blind lets people buy refurbished computers.

United Cerebral Palsy foundation gives refurbished computers to nursing homes and people within supportive living facilities.

And, you can always go to best buy, filter by specs than by price, low to high, and then buy the results directly from the manufacturer.


Re: Q Read alternative

Mallard
 

I'm still using it, and have the latest version, because I don't use speech. With braille it works very well, but it's true that it's been more or less abandoned.

Piry, really

On 22/03/2020 03:13, Jackie wrote:
I really do wish there were an alternative to QRead. I bought it at
version 3.11. The 3.21 version is now messed up so badly that it's
basically unusable, ie, the speech will not start from the last
position anymore. So I downgraded & every 2 hours I get nagged about
whether I want to update, which, obviously, h e hockeystick x 2 no, I
don't. I have tried to contact the authors about the problem w/o
success, so definitively QRead is not a program I can recommend
anymore. Would it were otherwise, because it used to be really good &
filled a large gap in terms of reading solutions, & I did indeed
recommend it highly back in the 3.11 era, as I considered $30 a really
reasonable price tag for what the program does. I just tried
contacting the developers again--guess we'll see how that goes. The
msg did go through this time so that may (or may not) be a promising
development. Perhaps the shadow still knows as regards that. The truth
is they probly weren't making enough money to make it worth their
while, & I can understand that, & I understand as well they've been
putting effort into NVDA Remote, but gosh, when an update seriously
breaks something in a program, it would be nice if that situation
could at least be remedied.

On 3/21/20, Robert Kingett <@blindjourno> wrote:
The only thing I could find about speak on is the below website? The last
update was 2016. Is there a newer version I'm missing? It seems like it's a
media player rather than a book reader so if anybody has an updated link,
put it in the thread.

http://www.speakon.org.uk/SpeakOn.html




Re: Curiosity questing

 

Well you sort of can do that via your windows store app but you'd probably have a sandboxed environment within your brouser.

So lets break it down a bit.

You would have web access in your chromium based brouser.

You wouldn't be able to access uac screens or some windows functions, in fact I have tried nvda portable on my windows 10 system.

I found it crappy and useless.

If all you need is a website read then yeah it may just work.

If you need to brouse files on your computer, yes it will work.

If you need to search the start menu or run programs from that then I think thats one of the features that are not going to work at all unless nvda is installed but it may work.

Even if that is still the case you would be limited to desktop apps, no universal ones.

That would include windows settings.

You wouldn't have any addons and such.

So, hmmm nvda at extremely reduced function.

Narator could fill that role nicely.

For nvda to work properly it needs to be installed.

Now I guess if you used windows 7 or xp then yeah I guess that would work.



On 24/03/2020 10:57 pm, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
Has anyone investigated whether it is possible to run the NVDA portable version from a web site? I was thinking about what System Access did and wondered if it were possible. If it is then we could have access to speech anywhere we went.
******
If we don't take time to think before we speak we may find ourselves in a situation where our speech becomes a bit stinky!


Re: Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

 

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 04:01 PM, Jackie wrote:
While I would say that NVDA meets the needs of many "general" users,
unfortunately, there are still some situations where Jaws does what
NVDA can't.
And vice versa.  There are also times where Narrator can do something the other two don't handle gracefully.

But, under typical circumstances, other than something in the form of, "I can do [insert thing here] with JAWS/Narrator/Window-Eyes, but can't figure out how to do it with NVDA," being brought up any extended discussion of JAWS, Narrator, or Window-Eyes on this group is off-topic.

That would even be true now, today, were the conversation about how to use JAWS, Narrator, or Window-Eyes.  That's off-topic.

I just wanted to point out in response to the original question what my reasoning was for allowing the discussion that Freedom Scientific/Vispero was offering JAWS, Fusion, and ZoomText licenses at no cost to home users through June 30th.  It's an exception condition, not a change in group rules.  Group owners and moderators will, occasionally, allow topics for exception conditions that are generally recognized as such without further explanation.
 
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Re: Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

Jackie
 

While I would say that NVDA meets the needs of many "general" users,
unfortunately, there are still some situations where Jaws does what
NVDA can't. The program called "Band-in-a-Box" is such an example, as
the program doesn't appear to expose objects & the chords have to be
read using Jaws' capability of reading highlighted colors. Screen
modeling is becoming passe, though, as Microsoft is increasingly
discouraging mirror drivers & such for security reasons. The problem
is that the vast majority of developers don't develop w/accessibility
best practices in mind, & I'd hazard a guess that most wouldn't have
the vaguest idea of what they are or even that they exist. & to say
that MS itself has been spotty in their accessibility implementation
is the understatement of the century thus far & will likely continue
to be true for many years to come, unfortunately. That applies also to
other companies who ought to know better as well.

On 3/24/20, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 03:34 PM, Kerryn Gunness wrote:


when i ask questions about programs i use with NVDA, i am told the group
is for NVDA related questions and the thread becomes locked
just asking
There is a worldwide crisis occurring where many individuals are now
housebound (including myself).  Many of the members here are transitioning
to NVDA from another screen reader, one of which may be JAWS.  In a
situation such as this, when a major screen reader vendor offers a free
license to use their product it warrants mention throughout the various
screen reader online communities.

And, you have apparently not read through the content of this topic at all,
which you should do before commenting.   JAWS has been incidental, not
central, to it.  You'll find NVDA being mentioned many, many more times than
JAWS has been.  It was just the free offer that launched the topic, but it
certainly has not been its focus.  And even if the free offer had been its
focus, under the current circumstances, I'd allow it.  There are times rules
should absolutely be bent.  This is one of those.

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Re: Podcast Reader

Gary Metzler
 

Hi David,

 

Which file do I need to get for the installer?  Thanks for any help.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Podcast Reader

 

It is still available and maintained.

The developer is on this list.

It has an NVDA Add On which is being updated.

 

Speak On Resources

You can download Speak On media Suite from

http://www.speakon.org.uk/SpeakOn.html

 

My Speak On Media Podcast   are distributed by talking Computers but can also be downloaded from  SendSpace

 

01 Introduction Speak on Media Suite.mp3

This Podcast covers setting up Speak On Media, changing the default synthesiser to a more friendly   voice and  introduces you to the range of apps available by default, and then the further apps available through additional optional plugins.

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/otzppu

 

02 Getting an Audio Books into Speak On Media Suite.mp3

 

This Podcast describes how shortcuts and the send to menu in File Explorer can be utilised to make it much easier to import books  and other content into  Speak On Media.

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/v7dhkt

 

03 Playing Daisy and Audio Books in Speak On.mp3

This Podcast covers loading and reading of Daisy and Audio Books. It explains Speak On navigation options, bookmarking, and varying the speed and volume of playback. It also introduces Speak On’s context sensitive help feature.

 

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/ye758q

 

04 Reading eBooks on Speak On

This covers.

-Loading an eBook into the Speak On Directory through the Send To Menu.

-changing the Reading Voice.

- Navigation levels available in the eBook.

- Managing Bookmarks and getting book size information.

-Tabbing through the Player Bookmark list and Library view.

- Adjusting the speed and volume of book playback  on the fly.

- Copying and pasting text from an eBook into Notepad.

- Saving Sections of the book as text files.

- Creating a "virtual eBook" based upon a search term.

 

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/akbva2

 

05 Speak On and Internet Radio

This Podcast covers

- Using a  free or paid Tunein account to access Radio in Speak On.

- Using the optional VI Radio app.

- Importing Radio Streams into the Other Media app to create a 3rd Customised Internet Radio  app.

 

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/sgqix8

 

Link to a Radio Streams folder to import into Speak On.

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/p7xu1m

 

06 Using Speak On and the RNIB Reading Service.

 

This Podcasts covers downloading a  daisy Book from the new RNIB Reading Service  and playing it in Speak On.

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/j006ie

 

07 Speak On and the RNIB Newsagent Service Part 1 - Newspapers.

 

This Podcasts covers.

1. Advantages of using Speak On to easily access the eText Newspaper service, including its Virtual Reader function to streamline reading.

Installing the task and logging into the eText service.

Loading of Newspapers, navigation and adjustment of speed and volume of playback.

Setting up favourite papers.

Bookmarking and extracting articles into text files.

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/d40tj7

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 24 March 2020 02:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Podcast Reader

 

Very quickly, where can I get this from. From what a friend told me it is no longer availiable. I'm actually asking for this friend. I've ben at work as of late so have not even had the time to look this up on the internet. IN fact what my friend found was 10 years old.

Take care all.

\-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrea Sherry

Sent: 22 March 2020 21:30

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] PodCast Reader



Is there a program works well with NVDA 20193.1 and Windows 10?













 


Re: Q Read alternative

Mallard
 

Hello,


I have one question. Does it support Braille?


Thanks,

Ciao,

Ollie

On 24/03/2020 19:04, Daniel Damacena wrote:

Could you send me a link for this?

I am amazed by your description!

Can it read pdf files?

Thank you!

Em 21/03/2020 22:38, David Griffith escreveu:

I know I am biased because I have done a podcast series on this fantastic app but for me the best accessible ePub Book    reader on a  PC , either paid, or free , remains by a  country mile remains the free Speak On Media Suite.

I am continually amazed it is never ever mentioned as an accessible option for reading ePub books.

Just to mention a few of its features.

Customisation of book reading voice including on the fly adjustment of reading volume and speed  of narration whilst reading a book through hotkeys. I know of no other book reader which does this.

Able to easily navigate through a book by chapter structure ,  headings, 50 lines, paragraph, sentence line word or character.

Ability to easily set markers in text of ePub books and copy and paste this text out of Speak On into a Word Processor.

Alternatively control a and control c will copy the chapter as text.

Ability to get single key press on book location and information.

Ability to resume reading from last position read on any book even if file location has changed.

Bookmark management  - ability to set and delete bookmarks.

It even has a virtual book creation function based on a search term which is incredibly  useful for study purposes.

Suppose you have a long academic book you need to search through to study a topic, you can in Speak On define a search term and Speak On will produce a smaller "virtual eBook” which will consists only of the chapters which contain the key phrase or terms in your defined search pattern. Again I know of no other accessible eBook reader which contains this feature.

David Griffith

Just to mention just a few of the features.

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

*From: *Jason White via Groups.Io <mailto:jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io>
*Sent: *22 March 2020 00:25
*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Q Read alternative

Another option is to install Thorium Reader from the Microsoft Store. It supports EPUB books. Bookshare can be set so that it provides downloads in EPUB format.

*From: *<nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Robert Kingett <@blindjourno>
*Reply-To: *<nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Date: *Wednesday, March 18, 2020 at 09:26
*To: *<nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] Q Read alternative

I wanted to share an open source Q Read alternative called Bookworm. It does not have bookshare support yet, nor does it support links, and headings, or tables, but still. It's a free option. The main website is below, where you can also read the manual.

I'm adding this to the accessible apps github page when I have a moment.

https://mush42.github.io/bookworm/


Re: Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

 

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 03:34 PM, Kerryn Gunness wrote:
when i ask questions about programs i use with NVDA, i am told the group is for NVDA related questions and the thread becomes locked
just asking
There is a worldwide crisis occurring where many individuals are now housebound (including myself).  Many of the members here are transitioning to NVDA from another screen reader, one of which may be JAWS.  In a situation such as this, when a major screen reader vendor offers a free license to use their product it warrants mention throughout the various screen reader online communities.

And, you have apparently not read through the content of this topic at all, which you should do before commenting.   JAWS has been incidental, not central, to it.  You'll find NVDA being mentioned many, many more times than JAWS has been.  It was just the free offer that launched the topic, but it certainly has not been its focus.  And even if the free offer had been its focus, under the current circumstances, I'd allow it.  There are times rules should absolutely be bent.  This is one of those.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: Podcast Reader

Kerryn Gunness
 


tell me more about this
is it an app for windows, android or ios
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Podcast Reader

It is still available and maintained.

The developer is on this list.

It has an NVDA Add On which is being updated.

 

Speak On Resources

You can download Speak On media Suite from

http://www.speakon.org.uk/SpeakOn.html

 

My Speak On Media Podcast   are distributed by talking Computers but can also be downloaded from  SendSpace

 

01 Introduction Speak on Media Suite.mp3

This Podcast covers setting up Speak On Media, changing the default synthesiser to a more friendly   voice and  introduces you to the range of apps available by default, and then the further apps available through additional optional plugins.

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/otzppu

 

02 Getting an Audio Books into Speak On Media Suite.mp3

 

This Podcast describes how shortcuts and the send to menu in File Explorer can be utilised to make it much easier to import books  and other content into  Speak On Media.

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/v7dhkt

 

03 Playing Daisy and Audio Books in Speak On.mp3

This Podcast covers loading and reading of Daisy and Audio Books. It explains Speak On navigation options, bookmarking, and varying the speed and volume of playback. It also introduces Speak On’s context sensitive help feature.

 

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/ye758q

 

04 Reading eBooks on Speak On

This covers.

-Loading an eBook into the Speak On Directory through the Send To Menu.

-changing the Reading Voice.

- Navigation levels available in the eBook.

- Managing Bookmarks and getting book size information.

-Tabbing through the Player Bookmark list and Library view.

- Adjusting the speed and volume of book playback  on the fly.

- Copying and pasting text from an eBook into Notepad.

- Saving Sections of the book as text files.

- Creating a "virtual eBook" based upon a search term.

 

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/akbva2

 

05 Speak On and Internet Radio

This Podcast covers

- Using a  free or paid Tunein account to access Radio in Speak On.

- Using the optional VI Radio app.

- Importing Radio Streams into the Other Media app to create a 3rd Customised Internet Radio  app.

 

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/sgqix8

 

Link to a Radio Streams folder to import into Speak On.

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/p7xu1m

 

06 Using Speak On and the RNIB Reading Service.

 

This Podcasts covers downloading a  daisy Book from the new RNIB Reading Service  and playing it in Speak On.

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/j006ie

 

07 Speak On and the RNIB Newsagent Service Part 1 - Newspapers.

 

This Podcasts covers.

1. Advantages of using Speak On to easily access the eText Newspaper service, including its Virtual Reader function to streamline reading.

Installing the task and logging into the eText service.

Loading of Newspapers, navigation and adjustment of speed and volume of playback.

Setting up favourite papers.

Bookmarking and extracting articles into text files.

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/d40tj7

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 24 March 2020 02:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Podcast Reader

 

Very quickly, where can I get this from. From what a friend told me it is no longer availiable. I'm actually asking for this friend. I've ben at work as of late so have not even had the time to look this up on the internet. IN fact what my friend found was 10 years old.

Take care all.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrea Sherry

Sent: 22 March 2020 21:30

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] PodCast Reader



Is there a program works well with NVDA 20193.1 and Windows 10?













 


Re: Free JAWS licence that was anounced today

Kerryn Gunness
 

hello all
thought this group deals with NVDA only, you all are talking about jaws
subjectline
Re: [nvda] Free JAWS licence that was anounced today


when i ask questions about programs i use with NVDA, i am told the group is for NVDA related questions and the thread becomes locked
just asking
thanks for clarification

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Ballou" <cyberpro224@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2020 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Free JAWS licence that was anounced today


Hi,


As a long time adaptive trainer and technical specialist, I have seen
this same thing, numerous times. I myself have been an NVDA user for
about 8 years or so now. And I have seen it grow, and improve by leaps
and bounds. Since I first tried it out when situations forced me to
moved to a more affordable screen reading solution, I will be the first
to admit that I didn't bring any of my clients across because of the
familiarity aspects and issues with more of the shall we say mainstream
products. However, if they were in a situation where they wanted to
purchase a new system from me, I would be sure to install NVDA on it for
them so that they would have it at their fingertips if they couldn't
afford Jaws and bring them across that way. Getting schools and
organizations to support NVDA is by no means going to be an easy task
for they all have been spoon fed on Jaws as the premiere screen reading
software for the longest time. The adage seems to be if what we've got
works, why fix or in this case, try to change it.


Tony

On 3/23/2020 2:02 PM, Sky Mundell wrote:
Hello guys . I do agree with everybody about what they're saying. However, I
am going to point something out to you, and that is, as a 6 year adaptive
tech trainer who has trained blind students in screen readers, I have to say
that there are folks out there that won't give up there screen reader too
easily. As an example, I do have friends out there that know that NVDA
exists, and so on and so forth, but a lot of them think that if something is
cheaper, it is inferior. I'll give you an example. I do have a friend in
California who has heard of NVDA, and her blind friends know that NVDA
exists, and they have tried it but they end up going back to JAWS because
its what they know. Also Many of the institutions that I've come across have
never heard of NVDA, or if they have heard of it, they assume that it is
incomplete or inferior because they have seem more than one person use JAWS
and iPhones so they think, all blind folks use, are JAWS screen reader, and
iPhones. Which, as you and I know, is not true. As, while JAWS and iPhone's
are certainly used, not everybody uses, or cannot afford, either JAWS, or
iPhone. Another example is that I have a relative that works at a
university, and they use JAWS and I bet if they have heard of NVDA they
would be reluctant to try it because they would, once again, assume it is
incomplete, and inferior. Sadly, there is no support for NVDA in the school
districts that I am aware of where I am. I am certainly in favor of client
choice and I am in favor of cheaper stuff but at the moment its going to be
real tough to get organisations to realize that NVDA even exists let alone
trying it out.




Re: Q Read alternative

Daniel Damacena
 

Could you send me a link for this?

I am amazed by your description!

Can it read pdf files?

Thank you!

Em 21/03/2020 22:38, David Griffith escreveu:

                               

I know I am biased because I have done a podcast series on this fantastic app but for me the best accessible ePub Book    reader on a  PC , either paid, or free , remains by a  country mile remains the free Speak On Media Suite.

I am continually amazed it is never ever mentioned as an accessible option for reading ePub books.

 

Just to mention a few of its features.

 

Customisation of book reading voice including on the fly adjustment of reading volume and speed  of narration whilst reading a book through hotkeys. I know of no other book reader which does this.

Able to easily navigate through a book by chapter structure ,  headings, 50 lines, paragraph, sentence line word or character.

Ability to easily set markers in text of ePub books and copy and paste this text out of Speak On into a Word Processor.

Alternatively control a and control c will copy the chapter as text.

Ability to get single key press on book location and information.

Ability to resume reading from last position read on any book even if file location has changed.

Bookmark management  - ability to set and delete bookmarks.

It even has a virtual book creation function based on a search term which is incredibly  useful for study purposes.

Suppose you have a long academic book you need to search through to study a topic, you can in Speak On define a search term and Speak On will produce a smaller "virtual eBook” which will consists only of the chapters which contain the key phrase or terms in your defined search pattern. Again I know of no other accessible eBook reader which contains this feature.

David Griffith

 

 

Just to mention just a few of the features.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: 22 March 2020 00:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Q Read alternative

 

Another option is to install Thorium Reader from the Microsoft Store. It supports EPUB books. Bookshare can be set so that it provides downloads in EPUB format.

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Robert Kingett <kingettr@...>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 at 09:26
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Q Read alternative

 

I wanted to share an open source Q Read alternative called Bookworm. It does not have bookshare support yet, nor does it support links, and headings, or tables, but still. It's a free option. The main website is below, where you can also read the manual.

I'm adding this to the accessible apps github page when I have a moment.

https://mush42.github.io/bookworm/

 


Re: PC Keyboard Braille Input does not work with older version of NVDA

Luke
 

A quick note here, I went to the ad on page and there was no way to get a hold of the creator. I should have checked before I posted my original email.

On Mar 24, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Luke <bugsyman35@...> wrote:



Hi! I have recently downloaded the 19.3 and up desktop version of the PC Keyboard Braille Input add on and it works great. I have a portable version of NVDA on a flash drive and it’s version 19.2, and yes, it’s 19.2 and  not version 19.21. I seemed to forgot to update to 19.2.1 before the big update. I went to https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/pcKeyboardBrailleInput.en.html and downloaded the older version which it says it’s for 17.3 to 19.2, it didn’t work for me on the 19.2 portable version. When I went to Tools>manage add ons, it did show up in the list. Has anybody else had this problem? Does anybody know how to get it working? If no one answers I will email the creator of the add on.   

 


PC Keyboard Braille Input does not work with older version of NVDA

Luke
 

Hi! I have recently downloaded the 19.3 and up desktop version of the PC Keyboard Braille Input add on and it works great. I have a portable version of NVDA on a flash drive and it’s version 19.2, and yes, it’s 19.2 and  not version 19.21. I seemed to forgot to update to 19.2.1 before the big update. I went to https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/pcKeyboardBrailleInput.en.html and downloaded the older version which it says it’s for 17.3 to 19.2, it didn’t work for me on the 19.2 portable version. When I went to Tools>manage add ons, it did show up in the list. Has anybody else had this problem? Does anybody know how to get it working? If no one answers I will email the creator of the add on.