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locked Re: Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

 

hi.
did you read my explanation about american accent and i cant use newer
versions of nvda, even if i can use newer version of windows, because
of the lack of american accent with my native language?!
also, i studied hundreds of issues and realized that 2017.3 is the
best and even 2017.2 is great,

only two fixes! between hundreds of issues! which are in newer
versions of nvda that i need.

On 3/26/20, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
Hi, Zara,


We're not trying to judge or make fun of you. I'm sure there has to be
some kind of organization in Iran where you can get a new or refurvished
computer. You may not be able to afford a brand-new computer but I'm
sure there are organizations that will help you to get a refurvished
computer with windows 10. We have all told you numerous times that you
shouldn't stay with a system that's no longer supported.


Rosemarie



On 3/26/2020 8:25 AM, zahra wrote:
i live in Iran.
numerous sanctions and expensive prices.
i really cant use newer versions because of the lack for english US
accent even if i can use newer windows.
i really cant understand UK english and i get headache, but, i can
even read hundreds of pages of english books with american accent!
i am very sad, because people judge other people whome dont know about
there needs, situations and conditions!

On 3/26/20, ely.r@... <ely.r@...> wrote:
Haret
Thanks for posting this. Joseph, Thanks for keeping unbendable about
this
request, and know that we users are strongly behind you and any other
developers that are pushed to back port or rewrite code for systems that
are
no longer supported.

Zara, there are some good options for replacing your entire computer
setup
at a very small cost. If you hope to continue to rely on a computer for
one
of your connections to the world, it is past time to give up "Old
Faithful"
and move on.

I live in Massachusetts, and though my current system is still useable, I
am
about to replace it. Our regional Commission for the Blind AT specialist
has
already asked if I will donate my current system. He will refurbish it,
remove all my data, and prepare it for another user. Not knowing where
you
live or your circumstances, these options may b available to you. Rather
than using energy to ask for reverse engineering, why not ask this
incredible list for ideas that will help you get a fresh tech start?
Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hareth
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and
Windows XP support requests: no more, period

Hi Joseph,
Don't waste your time. People was advising her for years now , getting
Same
respond, She just comes back with the same, and emphasize more and more.

On 3/26/20, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi,
I told the community, but let me remind you again: NO, NO, NO! Yes,
I'm angry, and yes, I mean it: please do not ask the community to
email you about feature backports, as that will not happen. Sorry -
case
closed.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

hi,
thanks for your message.
for several reasons, nvda 2017.3 is the best version and even 2017.2
works very well, and they work very perfect for my need.
but, two or three items which are included in newer versions of nvda,
i wish to backported to nvda 2017.3, not only for myself, but for the
benefit of all users of this versions like me!
if someone wants to help me in this regard, please email me!
God bless you everyone!

On 3/24/20, abdul muhamin <abdulmuhamin600@...> wrote:
Hi, Zahra, why you don’t update your operating system and the NVDA to
the latest versions to solve all your compatibility problems instead
of asking support of the old software, you should use the new and
fresh peace of software to avoid all the security risks

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 3:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
andWindows XP support requests: no more, period

hi joseph.
as i mentioned in my emails, i only need two or three fixed in newer
versions of nvda for backporting to the supported versions of nvda on
xp.
and i promise that my request does not cause nvda crashing or
unresponsiveness in any version of windows!
my requests are only specific for firefox and contains important
fixes which i am sure benefits everyone.

On 3/23/20, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hello NVDA users and add-on developers,



First, I would like to reiterate how important it is that everyone
listen to advice from reputable sources regarding COVID-19,
including public health officials recommending folks to exercise
social distancing for a while.
Even
if you do not feel sick, please help others by washing hands,
practice social distancing, and monitor the situation regarding the
pandemic and community spread. And since the NVDA community is a
global movement, please support each other.



Onto the matter at hand: for several days I have received requests
about NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support. Requests have included
making add-ons compatible with Windows XP again, compatibility
issues, and backporting newer NVDA bug fixes and features to users
of NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



At the moment there is no community guidance on support for Windows
XP, with many people asking others to upgrade to newer Windows
releases. But as an individual add-on author and a contributor to
NVDA screen reader project, I would like to take this time to make
the following personal announcement:



Effective April 15, 2020, if you ask me to do one or more of the
following for Windows XP users, the answer you will get is, "sorry,
no more, period."
These include:



* Making add-ons compatible with Windows XP, Server 2003, Vista, and
Server 2008
* Fixing compatibility issues and non-working add-ons after you
knowingly install newer add-on releases on NVDA 2017.3 or earlier
* Backporting features and bug fixes from newer NVDA releases to NVDA
2017.3
* Maintaining a long-term support version of NVDA for Windows
XP/Server 2003/Vista/Server 2008 users



Most importantly, I will flatly say "no" if you ask me privately to
ask NV Access and/or add-on developers about Windows XP support.
Many features introduced in newer NVDA releases cannot be backported
for various reasons, including risk of crashing NVDA (grammar error
announcement, for example), incompatibility with Python 2 (broader
Unicode support, for example), features that will not work properly
with XP (screen curtain, for example), support for apps no longer
recommended for wider use (outlook Express, for example), and broad
changes that alters how add-ons work (speech refactor and
multi-category settings dialog, for example). Several add-on authors
have indicated reluctance to support XP, and in case of add-ons I'm
either maintaining or have passed onto the community, none of them
support NVDA
2019.2.1 or earlier, let alone Windows XP and friends.



My personal statement above will not be in effect until April so
that you can help others going through COVID-19 and for my statement
as an individual developer to sink in. Note that I'm not speaking on
behalf of other developers - others have their own policies
regarding support for Windows XP. NV Access does provide a download
link for NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



I know my statement is a huge blow to many of you. As much as I
wanted folks to understand that end of support means end of support,
and I understand that many of you cannot afford newer equipment and
software releases (including moving to newer Windows releases), I
felt it is time to make a bold statement and say "no" to Windows XP
support. In the past, I did note on various NVDA forums that my
add-ons will not and does not support Windows XP, but didn't
announce a statement like this then, hoping that folks will
understand the reality at last. But alas, it is time to officially
close the doors to Windows XP support from my end - once again, this
is an individual developer saying this, not on behalf of the
community at large, knowing that others will make statements on their
own.



Thank you for understanding.

Cheers,

Joseph




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali













--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Re: Q Read alternative

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Isaac

I saw a message on the list re SpeakOn and have downloaded it and I am extremely impressed with it’s functionality and ease of use.  There are a few minor annoyances which you may or may not be able to do anything about but I thought I would seek your opinion regarding them.

 

Firstly, I am using Windows 10 and set up the desktop shortcut to run as administrator to avoid the UAC allow this software etc window but unfortunately, 3 of the 4 levels of UAC  security trigger a different UAC message “Do you want to allow this app from an unknown publisher to make changes to your device?”.  The only way around this is to turn UAC security off altogether, which also obviates the “run as admin” requirement.  Is it possible to get the software certificated in some way to avoid this message?        

 

Secondly, when reading an audio book, is there any way to suppress the announcement of the file names as it moves through the files making up the book?  Similarly when playing Music tracks in an album or playlist?

 

Thirdly, this is a last minute discovery, so may be covered in the manual and I have missed it.  When trying to add an RNIB flash drive containing 3 Daisy books to the Audio Book library, I had to insert another folder level via windows to the flash drive to allow me to select it and add it’s contents to the Audio Book library.  When I restarted the task and initiated the Add/Library Audio Books Remove folder locations from the Settings sub-menu, The flash drive folder structure was the same as it was before I inserted the additional folder level.  Is there a way to refresh the folder tree view without having  to restart the app?       

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: Isaac Porat
Sent: 25 March 2020 17:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Q Read alternative

 

Hi

 

 

More information on SpeakOn based on questions on this thread and others.

 

 

SpeakOn home page is at:

 

http://www.speakon.org.uk/SpeakOn.html

 

 

You will find information on the media types its support, links to the

docs and mailing list.

 

 

The tutorials produced by David Griffith recently found somewhere else

on this thread are excellent.

 

 

Although the latest version was released in 2016 with one minor

exception everything works and there are know known bugs.

 

 

SpeakOn supports English only and does not support Braille.

 

It does not support PDF either.

 

 

It is recommended by RNIB in the UK for reading their audio books in

Daisy; SpeakOn supports Daisy 2 used mostly (I think) in Europe. It does

not support Daisy 3 in the US.

 

 

Being developed in the UK it supports RNIB newspapers and magazines in

test (epub) and audio.

 

It supports the epub format generally.

 

It does not support DRM as used mostly in the US

 

 

The NVDA SpeakOn add-on is not necessary to use it but makes sure that

NVDA does not speakOn when SpeakOn has the focus; it does not speak much

anyway and I shall release an updated version of this add-on soon to

this list.

 

 

Regards

 

Isaac Porat

 

SpeakOn's developer

 

 

 

On 24/03/2020 19:48, Mallard wrote:

> Hello,

> I have one question. Does it support Braille?

> Thanks,

> Ciao,

> Ollie

> On 24/03/2020 19:04, Daniel Damacena wrote:

>> 

>> Could you send me a link for this?

>> 

>> I am amazed by your description!

>> 

>> Can it read pdf files?

>> 

>> Thank you!

>> 

>> Em 21/03/2020 22:38, David Griffith escreveu:

>>> 

>>> I know I am biased because I have done a podcast series on this

>>> fantastic app but for me the best accessible ePub Book    reader on

>>> a  PC , either paid, or free , remains by a country mile remains the

>>> free Speak On Media Suite.

>>> 

>>> I am continually amazed it is never ever mentioned as an accessible

>>> option for reading ePub books.

>>> 

>>> Just to mention a few of its features.

>>> 

>>> Customisation of book reading voice including on the fly adjustment

>>> of reading volume and speed  of narration whilst reading a book

>>> through hotkeys. I know of no other book reader which does this.

>>> 

>>> Able to easily navigate through a book by chapter structure ,

>>> headings, 50 lines, paragraph, sentence line word or character.

>>> 

>>> Ability to easily set markers in text of ePub books and copy and

>>> paste this text out of Speak On into a Word Processor.

>>> 

>>> Alternatively control a and control c will copy the chapter as text.

>>> 

>>> Ability to get single key press on book location and information.

>>> 

>>> Ability to resume reading from last position read on any book even

>>> if file location has changed.

>>> 

>>> Bookmark management  - ability to set and delete bookmarks.

>>> 

>>> It even has a virtual book creation function based on a search term

>>> which is incredibly  useful for study purposes.

>>> 

>>> Suppose you have a long academic book you need to search through to

>>> study a topic, you can in Speak On define a search term and Speak On

>>> will produce a smaller "virtual eBook” which will consists only of

>>> the chapters which contain the key phrase or terms in your defined

>>> search pattern. Again I know of no other accessible eBook reader

>>> which contains this feature.

>>> 

>>> David Griffith

>>> 

>>> Just to mention just a few of the features.

>>> 

>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for

>>> Windows 10

>>> 

>>> *From: *Jason White via Groups.Io <mailto:jason@...>

>>> *Sent: *22 March 2020 00:25

>>> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] Q Read alternative

>>> 

>>> Another option is to install Thorium Reader from the Microsoft

>>> Store. It supports EPUB books. Bookshare can be set so that it

>>> provides downloads in EPUB format.

>>> 

>>> *From: *<nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Robert Kingett

>>> <kingettr@...>

>>> *Reply-To: *<nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>> *Date: *Wednesday, March 18, 2020 at 09:26

>>> *To: *<nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>> *Subject: *[nvda] Q Read alternative

>>> 

>>> I wanted to share an open source Q Read alternative called Bookworm.

>>> It does not have bookshare support yet, nor does it support links,

>>> and headings, or tables, but still. It's a free option. The main

>>> website is below, where you can also read the manual.

>>> 

>>> I'm adding this to the accessible apps github page when I have a

>>> moment.

>>> 

>>> https://mush42.github.io/bookworm/

>>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

locked Re: Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Zara,


We're not trying to judge or make fun of you. I'm sure there has to be some kind of organization in Iran where you can get a new or refurvished computer. You may not be able to afford a brand-new computer but I'm sure there are organizations that will help you to get a refurvished computer with windows 10. We have all told you numerous times that you shouldn't stay with a system that's no longer supported.


Rosemarie

On 3/26/2020 8:25 AM, zahra wrote:
i live in Iran.
numerous sanctions and expensive prices.
i really cant use newer versions because of the lack for english US
accent even if i can use newer windows.
i really cant understand UK english and i get headache, but, i can
even read hundreds of pages of english books with american accent!
i am very sad, because people judge other people whome dont know about
there needs, situations and conditions!

On 3/26/20, ely.r@... <ely.r@...> wrote:
Haret
Thanks for posting this. Joseph, Thanks for keeping unbendable about this
request, and know that we users are strongly behind you and any other
developers that are pushed to back port or rewrite code for systems that are
no longer supported.

Zara, there are some good options for replacing your entire computer setup
at a very small cost. If you hope to continue to rely on a computer for one
of your connections to the world, it is past time to give up "Old Faithful"
and move on.

I live in Massachusetts, and though my current system is still useable, I am
about to replace it. Our regional Commission for the Blind AT specialist has
already asked if I will donate my current system. He will refurbish it,
remove all my data, and prepare it for another user. Not knowing where you
live or your circumstances, these options may b available to you. Rather
than using energy to ask for reverse engineering, why not ask this
incredible list for ideas that will help you get a fresh tech start?
Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hareth
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and
Windows XP support requests: no more, period

Hi Joseph,
Don't waste your time. People was advising her for years now , getting Same
respond, She just comes back with the same, and emphasize more and more.

On 3/26/20, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi,
I told the community, but let me remind you again: NO, NO, NO! Yes,
I'm angry, and yes, I mean it: please do not ask the community to
email you about feature backports, as that will not happen. Sorry - case
closed.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

hi,
thanks for your message.
for several reasons, nvda 2017.3 is the best version and even 2017.2
works very well, and they work very perfect for my need.
but, two or three items which are included in newer versions of nvda,
i wish to backported to nvda 2017.3, not only for myself, but for the
benefit of all users of this versions like me!
if someone wants to help me in this regard, please email me!
God bless you everyone!

On 3/24/20, abdul muhamin <abdulmuhamin600@...> wrote:
Hi, Zahra, why you don’t update your operating system and the NVDA to
the latest versions to solve all your compatibility problems instead
of asking support of the old software, you should use the new and
fresh peace of software to avoid all the security risks

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 3:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
andWindows XP support requests: no more, period

hi joseph.
as i mentioned in my emails, i only need two or three fixed in newer
versions of nvda for backporting to the supported versions of nvda on
xp.
and i promise that my request does not cause nvda crashing or
unresponsiveness in any version of windows!
my requests are only specific for firefox and contains important
fixes which i am sure benefits everyone.

On 3/23/20, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hello NVDA users and add-on developers,



First, I would like to reiterate how important it is that everyone
listen to advice from reputable sources regarding COVID-19,
including public health officials recommending folks to exercise
social distancing for a while.
Even
if you do not feel sick, please help others by washing hands,
practice social distancing, and monitor the situation regarding the
pandemic and community spread. And since the NVDA community is a
global movement, please support each other.



Onto the matter at hand: for several days I have received requests
about NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support. Requests have included
making add-ons compatible with Windows XP again, compatibility
issues, and backporting newer NVDA bug fixes and features to users
of NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



At the moment there is no community guidance on support for Windows
XP, with many people asking others to upgrade to newer Windows
releases. But as an individual add-on author and a contributor to
NVDA screen reader project, I would like to take this time to make
the following personal announcement:



Effective April 15, 2020, if you ask me to do one or more of the
following for Windows XP users, the answer you will get is, "sorry,
no more, period."
These include:



* Making add-ons compatible with Windows XP, Server 2003, Vista, and
Server 2008
* Fixing compatibility issues and non-working add-ons after you
knowingly install newer add-on releases on NVDA 2017.3 or earlier
* Backporting features and bug fixes from newer NVDA releases to NVDA
2017.3
* Maintaining a long-term support version of NVDA for Windows
XP/Server 2003/Vista/Server 2008 users



Most importantly, I will flatly say "no" if you ask me privately to
ask NV Access and/or add-on developers about Windows XP support.
Many features introduced in newer NVDA releases cannot be backported
for various reasons, including risk of crashing NVDA (grammar error
announcement, for example), incompatibility with Python 2 (broader
Unicode support, for example), features that will not work properly
with XP (screen curtain, for example), support for apps no longer
recommended for wider use (outlook Express, for example), and broad
changes that alters how add-ons work (speech refactor and
multi-category settings dialog, for example). Several add-on authors
have indicated reluctance to support XP, and in case of add-ons I'm
either maintaining or have passed onto the community, none of them
support NVDA
2019.2.1 or earlier, let alone Windows XP and friends.



My personal statement above will not be in effect until April so
that you can help others going through COVID-19 and for my statement
as an individual developer to sink in. Note that I'm not speaking on
behalf of other developers - others have their own policies
regarding support for Windows XP. NV Access does provide a download
link for NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



I know my statement is a huge blow to many of you. As much as I
wanted folks to understand that end of support means end of support,
and I understand that many of you cannot afford newer equipment and
software releases (including moving to newer Windows releases), I
felt it is time to make a bold statement and say "no" to Windows XP
support. In the past, I did note on various NVDA forums that my
add-ons will not and does not support Windows XP, but didn't
announce a statement like this then, hoping that folks will
understand the reality at last. But alas, it is time to officially
close the doors to Windows XP support from my end - once again, this
is an individual developer saying this, not on behalf of the
community at large, knowing that others will make statements on their
own.



Thank you for understanding.

Cheers,

Joseph




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali











locked Re: Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

 

i live in Iran.
numerous sanctions and expensive prices.
i really cant use newer versions because of the lack for english US
accent even if i can use newer windows.
i really cant understand UK english and i get headache, but, i can
even read hundreds of pages of english books with american accent!
i am very sad, because people judge other people whome dont know about
there needs, situations and conditions!

On 3/26/20, ely.r@... <ely.r@...> wrote:
Haret
Thanks for posting this. Joseph, Thanks for keeping unbendable about this
request, and know that we users are strongly behind you and any other
developers that are pushed to back port or rewrite code for systems that are
no longer supported.

Zara, there are some good options for replacing your entire computer setup
at a very small cost. If you hope to continue to rely on a computer for one
of your connections to the world, it is past time to give up "Old Faithful"
and move on.

I live in Massachusetts, and though my current system is still useable, I am
about to replace it. Our regional Commission for the Blind AT specialist has
already asked if I will donate my current system. He will refurbish it,
remove all my data, and prepare it for another user. Not knowing where you
live or your circumstances, these options may b available to you. Rather
than using energy to ask for reverse engineering, why not ask this
incredible list for ideas that will help you get a fresh tech start?
Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hareth
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and
Windows XP support requests: no more, period

Hi Joseph,
Don't waste your time. People was advising her for years now , getting Same
respond, She just comes back with the same, and emphasize more and more.

On 3/26/20, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi,
I told the community, but let me remind you again: NO, NO, NO! Yes,
I'm angry, and yes, I mean it: please do not ask the community to
email you about feature backports, as that will not happen. Sorry - case
closed.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

hi,
thanks for your message.
for several reasons, nvda 2017.3 is the best version and even 2017.2
works very well, and they work very perfect for my need.
but, two or three items which are included in newer versions of nvda,
i wish to backported to nvda 2017.3, not only for myself, but for the
benefit of all users of this versions like me!
if someone wants to help me in this regard, please email me!
God bless you everyone!

On 3/24/20, abdul muhamin <abdulmuhamin600@...> wrote:
Hi, Zahra, why you don’t update your operating system and the NVDA to
the latest versions to solve all your compatibility problems instead
of asking support of the old software, you should use the new and
fresh peace of software to avoid all the security risks

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 3:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
andWindows XP support requests: no more, period

hi joseph.
as i mentioned in my emails, i only need two or three fixed in newer
versions of nvda for backporting to the supported versions of nvda on
xp.
and i promise that my request does not cause nvda crashing or
unresponsiveness in any version of windows!
my requests are only specific for firefox and contains important
fixes which i am sure benefits everyone.

On 3/23/20, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hello NVDA users and add-on developers,



First, I would like to reiterate how important it is that everyone
listen to advice from reputable sources regarding COVID-19,
including public health officials recommending folks to exercise
social distancing for a while.
Even
if you do not feel sick, please help others by washing hands,
practice social distancing, and monitor the situation regarding the
pandemic and community spread. And since the NVDA community is a
global movement, please support each other.



Onto the matter at hand: for several days I have received requests
about NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support. Requests have included
making add-ons compatible with Windows XP again, compatibility
issues, and backporting newer NVDA bug fixes and features to users
of NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



At the moment there is no community guidance on support for Windows
XP, with many people asking others to upgrade to newer Windows
releases. But as an individual add-on author and a contributor to
NVDA screen reader project, I would like to take this time to make
the following personal announcement:



Effective April 15, 2020, if you ask me to do one or more of the
following for Windows XP users, the answer you will get is, "sorry,
no more, period."
These include:



* Making add-ons compatible with Windows XP, Server 2003, Vista, and
Server 2008
* Fixing compatibility issues and non-working add-ons after you
knowingly install newer add-on releases on NVDA 2017.3 or earlier
* Backporting features and bug fixes from newer NVDA releases to NVDA
2017.3
* Maintaining a long-term support version of NVDA for Windows
XP/Server 2003/Vista/Server 2008 users



Most importantly, I will flatly say "no" if you ask me privately to
ask NV Access and/or add-on developers about Windows XP support.
Many features introduced in newer NVDA releases cannot be backported
for various reasons, including risk of crashing NVDA (grammar error
announcement, for example), incompatibility with Python 2 (broader
Unicode support, for example), features that will not work properly
with XP (screen curtain, for example), support for apps no longer
recommended for wider use (outlook Express, for example), and broad
changes that alters how add-ons work (speech refactor and
multi-category settings dialog, for example). Several add-on authors
have indicated reluctance to support XP, and in case of add-ons I'm
either maintaining or have passed onto the community, none of them
support NVDA
2019.2.1 or earlier, let alone Windows XP and friends.



My personal statement above will not be in effect until April so
that you can help others going through COVID-19 and for my statement
as an individual developer to sink in. Note that I'm not speaking on
behalf of other developers - others have their own policies
regarding support for Windows XP. NV Access does provide a download
link for NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



I know my statement is a huge blow to many of you. As much as I
wanted folks to understand that end of support means end of support,
and I understand that many of you cannot afford newer equipment and
software releases (including moving to newer Windows releases), I
felt it is time to make a bold statement and say "no" to Windows XP
support. In the past, I did note on various NVDA forums that my
add-ons will not and does not support Windows XP, but didn't
announce a statement like this then, hoping that folks will
understand the reality at last. But alas, it is time to officially
close the doors to Windows XP support from my end - once again, this
is an individual developer saying this, not on behalf of the
community at large, knowing that others will make statements on their
own.



Thank you for understanding.

Cheers,

Joseph





--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali








--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali












--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

locked Re: Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

ely.r@...
 

Haret
Thanks for posting this. Joseph, Thanks for keeping unbendable about this request, and know that we users are strongly behind you and any other developers that are pushed to back port or rewrite code for systems that are no longer supported.

Zara, there are some good options for replacing your entire computer setup at a very small cost. If you hope to continue to rely on a computer for one of your connections to the world, it is past time to give up "Old Faithful" and move on.

I live in Massachusetts, and though my current system is still useable, I am about to replace it. Our regional Commission for the Blind AT specialist has already asked if I will donate my current system. He will refurbish it, remove all my data, and prepare it for another user. Not knowing where you live or your circumstances, these options may b available to you. Rather than using energy to ask for reverse engineering, why not ask this incredible list for ideas that will help you get a fresh tech start?
Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hareth
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

Hi Joseph,
Don't waste your time. People was advising her for years now , getting Same respond, She just comes back with the same, and emphasize more and more.

On 3/26/20, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi,
I told the community, but let me remind you again: NO, NO, NO! Yes,
I'm angry, and yes, I mean it: please do not ask the community to
email you about feature backports, as that will not happen. Sorry - case closed.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

hi,
thanks for your message.
for several reasons, nvda 2017.3 is the best version and even 2017.2
works very well, and they work very perfect for my need.
but, two or three items which are included in newer versions of nvda,
i wish to backported to nvda 2017.3, not only for myself, but for the
benefit of all users of this versions like me!
if someone wants to help me in this regard, please email me!
God bless you everyone!

On 3/24/20, abdul muhamin <abdulmuhamin600@...> wrote:
Hi, Zahra, why you don’t update your operating system and the NVDA to
the latest versions to solve all your compatibility problems instead
of asking support of the old software, you should use the new and
fresh peace of software to avoid all the security risks

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 3:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
andWindows XP support requests: no more, period

hi joseph.
as i mentioned in my emails, i only need two or three fixed in newer
versions of nvda for backporting to the supported versions of nvda on
xp.
and i promise that my request does not cause nvda crashing or
unresponsiveness in any version of windows!
my requests are only specific for firefox and contains important
fixes which i am sure benefits everyone.

On 3/23/20, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hello NVDA users and add-on developers,



First, I would like to reiterate how important it is that everyone
listen to advice from reputable sources regarding COVID-19,
including public health officials recommending folks to exercise
social distancing for a while.
Even
if you do not feel sick, please help others by washing hands,
practice social distancing, and monitor the situation regarding the
pandemic and community spread. And since the NVDA community is a
global movement, please support each other.



Onto the matter at hand: for several days I have received requests
about NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support. Requests have included
making add-ons compatible with Windows XP again, compatibility
issues, and backporting newer NVDA bug fixes and features to users
of NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



At the moment there is no community guidance on support for Windows
XP, with many people asking others to upgrade to newer Windows
releases. But as an individual add-on author and a contributor to
NVDA screen reader project, I would like to take this time to make
the following personal announcement:



Effective April 15, 2020, if you ask me to do one or more of the
following for Windows XP users, the answer you will get is, "sorry,
no more, period."
These include:



* Making add-ons compatible with Windows XP, Server 2003, Vista, and
Server 2008
* Fixing compatibility issues and non-working add-ons after you
knowingly install newer add-on releases on NVDA 2017.3 or earlier
* Backporting features and bug fixes from newer NVDA releases to NVDA
2017.3
* Maintaining a long-term support version of NVDA for Windows
XP/Server 2003/Vista/Server 2008 users



Most importantly, I will flatly say "no" if you ask me privately to
ask NV Access and/or add-on developers about Windows XP support.
Many features introduced in newer NVDA releases cannot be backported
for various reasons, including risk of crashing NVDA (grammar error
announcement, for example), incompatibility with Python 2 (broader
Unicode support, for example), features that will not work properly
with XP (screen curtain, for example), support for apps no longer
recommended for wider use (outlook Express, for example), and broad
changes that alters how add-ons work (speech refactor and
multi-category settings dialog, for example). Several add-on authors
have indicated reluctance to support XP, and in case of add-ons I'm
either maintaining or have passed onto the community, none of them
support NVDA
2019.2.1 or earlier, let alone Windows XP and friends.



My personal statement above will not be in effect until April so
that you can help others going through COVID-19 and for my statement
as an individual developer to sink in. Note that I'm not speaking on
behalf of other developers - others have their own policies
regarding support for Windows XP. NV Access does provide a download
link for NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



I know my statement is a huge blow to many of you. As much as I
wanted folks to understand that end of support means end of support,
and I understand that many of you cannot afford newer equipment and
software releases (including moving to newer Windows releases), I
felt it is time to make a bold statement and say "no" to Windows XP
support. In the past, I did note on various NVDA forums that my
add-ons will not and does not support Windows XP, but didn't
announce a statement like this then, hoping that folks will
understand the reality at last. But alas, it is time to officially
close the doors to Windows XP support from my end - once again, this
is an individual developer saying this, not on behalf of the
community at large, knowing that others will make statements on their own.



Thank you for understanding.

Cheers,

Joseph





--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali








--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali






Re: NVDA does not read thunderbird 68.6.0 headers of messages

Cecelia Rodriguez
 

 

             

Thanks

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA does not read thunderbird 68.6.0 headers of messages

 

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 07:29 AM, enes sarıbaş wrote:

However, the list of features in the recommend addon doesn't seem to include a headers fix.

I'd definitely try contacting the writer of said add-on with a feature request, as clearly it appears that the base code exists and adding to it is in all likelihood fairly easy for additional fields.

I very seldom need to look at message header contents (which is not to say that this should be the case for anyone else) but I tend to use "View Source" and just search when I do.

When playing with NVDA in Thunderbird using the View All setting for headers, along with the Focus Highlight add-on, it looks like NVDA is staying in focus mode on all items as I go through the headers and I can't get it to switch over to browse mode or read the actual header content, just the header label.  I am uncertain as to whether this is an NVDA issue or a Thunderbird issue.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

 

Re: NVDA does not read thunderbird 68.6.0 headers of messages

 

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 07:29 AM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
However, the list of features in the recommend addon doesn't seem to include a headers fix.
I'd definitely try contacting the writer of said add-on with a feature request, as clearly it appears that the base code exists and adding to it is in all likelihood fairly easy for additional fields.

I very seldom need to look at message header contents (which is not to say that this should be the case for anyone else) but I tend to use "View Source" and just search when I do.

When playing with NVDA in Thunderbird using the View All setting for headers, along with the Focus Highlight add-on, it looks like NVDA is staying in focus mode on all items as I go through the headers and I can't get it to switch over to browse mode or read the actual header content, just the header label.  I am uncertain as to whether this is an NVDA issue or a Thunderbird issue.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

Re: problem with turning on and off sticky keys

 

In Settings, Ease of Access, Keyboard Pane, there are two checkboxes associated with Sticky Keys, the first of which relates to getting or not getting the prompt you describe and the second of which relates to the on/off toggle tone.

But, these are not in the Sticky Keys cluster itself, but in a category at the end of the pane, Make it easier to type.  Screen reader searching on Sticky Keys should eventually land you on it.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

Re: Bluetooth hearing aid lag on Windows 10 with NVDA.

 

Daniel,

           I'll have to try later today with my hearing aids to see if this occurs.  That being said, are your device drivers absolutely up to date for your sound card on the Win10 machine?  That's another thing to check.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

problem with turning on and off sticky keys

Cecelia Rodriguez
 

When I would turn on and off sticky keys I use to get a sound  but now I get a prompt to turn them on . How do I make sure the sound is there?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

locked Re: Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

Hareth
 

Hi Joseph,
Don't waste your time. People was advising her for years now , getting
Same respond,
She just comes back with the same, and emphasize more and more.

On 3/26/20, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi,
I told the community, but let me remind you again: NO, NO, NO! Yes, I'm
angry, and yes, I mean it: please do not ask the community to email you
about feature backports, as that will not happen. Sorry - case closed.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and
Windows XP support requests: no more, period

hi,
thanks for your message.
for several reasons, nvda 2017.3 is the best version and even 2017.2 works
very well, and they work very perfect for my need.
but, two or three items which are included in newer versions of nvda, i wish
to backported to nvda 2017.3, not only for myself, but for the benefit of
all users of this versions like me!
if someone wants to help me in this regard, please email me!
God bless you everyone!

On 3/24/20, abdul muhamin <abdulmuhamin600@...> wrote:
Hi, Zahra, why you don’t update your operating system and the NVDA to
the latest versions to solve all your compatibility problems instead
of asking support of the old software, you should use the new and
fresh peace of software to avoid all the security risks

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 3:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
andWindows XP support requests: no more, period

hi joseph.
as i mentioned in my emails, i only need two or three fixed in newer
versions of nvda for backporting to the supported versions of nvda on
xp.
and i promise that my request does not cause nvda crashing or
unresponsiveness in any version of windows!
my requests are only specific for firefox and contains important fixes
which i am sure benefits everyone.

On 3/23/20, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hello NVDA users and add-on developers,



First, I would like to reiterate how important it is that everyone
listen to advice from reputable sources regarding COVID-19, including
public health officials recommending folks to exercise social
distancing for a while.
Even
if you do not feel sick, please help others by washing hands,
practice social distancing, and monitor the situation regarding the
pandemic and community spread. And since the NVDA community is a
global movement, please support each other.



Onto the matter at hand: for several days I have received requests
about NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support. Requests have included
making add-ons compatible with Windows XP again, compatibility
issues, and backporting newer NVDA bug fixes and features to users of
NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



At the moment there is no community guidance on support for Windows
XP, with many people asking others to upgrade to newer Windows
releases. But as an individual add-on author and a contributor to
NVDA screen reader project, I would like to take this time to make
the following personal announcement:



Effective April 15, 2020, if you ask me to do one or more of the
following for Windows XP users, the answer you will get is, "sorry,
no more, period."
These include:



* Making add-ons compatible with Windows XP, Server 2003, Vista, and
Server 2008
* Fixing compatibility issues and non-working add-ons after you
knowingly install newer add-on releases on NVDA 2017.3 or earlier
* Backporting features and bug fixes from newer NVDA releases to NVDA
2017.3
* Maintaining a long-term support version of NVDA for Windows
XP/Server 2003/Vista/Server 2008 users



Most importantly, I will flatly say "no" if you ask me privately to
ask NV Access and/or add-on developers about Windows XP support. Many
features introduced in newer NVDA releases cannot be backported for
various reasons, including risk of crashing NVDA (grammar error
announcement, for example), incompatibility with Python 2 (broader
Unicode support, for example), features that will not work properly
with XP (screen curtain, for example), support for apps no longer
recommended for wider use (outlook Express, for example), and broad
changes that alters how add-ons work (speech refactor and
multi-category settings dialog, for example). Several add-on authors
have indicated reluctance to support XP, and in case of add-ons I'm
either maintaining or have passed onto the community, none of them
support NVDA
2019.2.1 or earlier, let alone Windows XP and friends.



My personal statement above will not be in effect until April so that
you can help others going through COVID-19 and for my statement as an
individual developer to sink in. Note that I'm not speaking on behalf
of other developers - others have their own policies regarding
support for Windows XP. NV Access does provide a download link for
NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



I know my statement is a huge blow to many of you. As much as I
wanted folks to understand that end of support means end of support,
and I understand that many of you cannot afford newer equipment and
software releases (including moving to newer Windows releases), I
felt it is time to make a bold statement and say "no" to Windows XP
support. In the past, I did note on various NVDA forums that my
add-ons will not and does not support Windows XP, but didn't announce
a statement like this then, hoping that folks will understand the
reality at last. But alas, it is time to officially close the doors
to Windows XP support from my end - once again, this is an individual
developer saying this, not on behalf of the community at large,
knowing that others will make statements on their own.



Thank you for understanding.

Cheers,

Joseph





--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali








--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali






Re: Bluetooth hearing aid lag on Windows 10 with NVDA.

Cordelia Scharpf
 

I am not familiar with this kind of setup, but might unpairing and re-pairing do the trick? Do you have other devices connected (using Bluetooth) to your PC, e.g., a Braille display?

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Daniel Hawkins
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 1:54 PM
To: NVDA Mailing Group
Subject: [nvda] Bluetooth hearing aid lag on Windows 10 with NVDA.

 

Hello everyone,

 

I am currently am trying out a new hearing aid called the phonak Marvel. It has Bluetooth and I can connect this to my iPhone, Mac, and Windows 10. however, when i am connected to Windows 10 with NVDA, I have noticed that it have really really bad lag when the screenreader speaks. All first character or word is chopped off. Typing is almost impossible due to it is not spoken. It seems like as soon the TTS stop speaking, it goes into standby. However, my IPhone and mac does not have this problem. I have tried the addon for Bluetooth to stay connected, and I have not noticed a difference.

 

have anyone else have this issue too?

 

Thanks guys!

Daniel Hawkins

Check out my website: iabilityi.com

 

 

 

 

Bluetooth hearing aid lag on Windows 10 with NVDA.

Daniel Hawkins
 

Hello everyone,

I am currently am trying out a new hearing aid called the phonak Marvel. It has Bluetooth and I can connect this to my iPhone, Mac, and Windows 10. however, when i am connected to Windows 10 with NVDA, I have noticed that it have really really bad lag when the screenreader speaks. All first character or word is chopped off. Typing is almost impossible due to it is not spoken. It seems like as soon the TTS stop speaking, it goes into standby. However, my IPhone and mac does not have this problem. I have tried the addon for Bluetooth to stay connected, and I have not noticed a difference.

have anyone else have this issue too?

Thanks guys!
Daniel Hawkins
Check out my website: iabilityi.com




locked Re: Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

 

Hi,
I told the community, but let me remind you again: NO, NO, NO! Yes, I'm angry, and yes, I mean it: please do not ask the community to email you about feature backports, as that will not happen. Sorry - case closed.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

hi,
thanks for your message.
for several reasons, nvda 2017.3 is the best version and even 2017.2 works very well, and they work very perfect for my need.
but, two or three items which are included in newer versions of nvda, i wish to backported to nvda 2017.3, not only for myself, but for the benefit of all users of this versions like me!
if someone wants to help me in this regard, please email me!
God bless you everyone!

On 3/24/20, abdul muhamin <abdulmuhamin600@...> wrote:
Hi, Zahra, why you don’t update your operating system and the NVDA to
the latest versions to solve all your compatibility problems instead
of asking support of the old software, you should use the new and
fresh peace of software to avoid all the security risks

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: zahra
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 3:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
andWindows XP support requests: no more, period

hi joseph.
as i mentioned in my emails, i only need two or three fixed in newer
versions of nvda for backporting to the supported versions of nvda on
xp.
and i promise that my request does not cause nvda crashing or
unresponsiveness in any version of windows!
my requests are only specific for firefox and contains important fixes
which i am sure benefits everyone.

On 3/23/20, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hello NVDA users and add-on developers,



First, I would like to reiterate how important it is that everyone
listen to advice from reputable sources regarding COVID-19, including
public health officials recommending folks to exercise social
distancing for a while.
Even
if you do not feel sick, please help others by washing hands,
practice social distancing, and monitor the situation regarding the
pandemic and community spread. And since the NVDA community is a
global movement, please support each other.



Onto the matter at hand: for several days I have received requests
about NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support. Requests have included
making add-ons compatible with Windows XP again, compatibility
issues, and backporting newer NVDA bug fixes and features to users of
NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



At the moment there is no community guidance on support for Windows
XP, with many people asking others to upgrade to newer Windows
releases. But as an individual add-on author and a contributor to
NVDA screen reader project, I would like to take this time to make
the following personal announcement:



Effective April 15, 2020, if you ask me to do one or more of the
following for Windows XP users, the answer you will get is, "sorry,
no more, period."
These include:



* Making add-ons compatible with Windows XP, Server 2003, Vista, and
Server 2008
* Fixing compatibility issues and non-working add-ons after you
knowingly install newer add-on releases on NVDA 2017.3 or earlier
* Backporting features and bug fixes from newer NVDA releases to NVDA
2017.3
* Maintaining a long-term support version of NVDA for Windows
XP/Server 2003/Vista/Server 2008 users



Most importantly, I will flatly say "no" if you ask me privately to
ask NV Access and/or add-on developers about Windows XP support. Many
features introduced in newer NVDA releases cannot be backported for
various reasons, including risk of crashing NVDA (grammar error
announcement, for example), incompatibility with Python 2 (broader
Unicode support, for example), features that will not work properly
with XP (screen curtain, for example), support for apps no longer
recommended for wider use (outlook Express, for example), and broad
changes that alters how add-ons work (speech refactor and
multi-category settings dialog, for example). Several add-on authors
have indicated reluctance to support XP, and in case of add-ons I'm
either maintaining or have passed onto the community, none of them
support NVDA
2019.2.1 or earlier, let alone Windows XP and friends.



My personal statement above will not be in effect until April so that
you can help others going through COVID-19 and for my statement as an
individual developer to sink in. Note that I'm not speaking on behalf
of other developers - others have their own policies regarding
support for Windows XP. NV Access does provide a download link for
NVDA 2017.3, the last version compatible with Windows XP.



I know my statement is a huge blow to many of you. As much as I
wanted folks to understand that end of support means end of support,
and I understand that many of you cannot afford newer equipment and
software releases (including moving to newer Windows releases), I
felt it is time to make a bold statement and say "no" to Windows XP
support. In the past, I did note on various NVDA forums that my
add-ons will not and does not support Windows XP, but didn't announce
a statement like this then, hoping that folks will understand the
reality at last. But alas, it is time to officially close the doors
to Windows XP support from my end - once again, this is an individual
developer saying this, not on behalf of the community at large,
knowing that others will make statements on their own.



Thank you for understanding.

Cheers,

Joseph





--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali








--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Re: NVDA does not read thunderbird 68.6.0 headers of messages

enes sarıbaş
 

However, the list of features in the recommend addon doesn't seem to include a headers fix.

On 3/26/2020 6:25 AM, enes sarıbaş via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi Brian,

My apologies.  I didn't check the archives, as I incorrectly assumed this wouldn't be something many would notice.

On 3/25/2020 9:43 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Just discussed at some length, three days ago, in topic,  Value of headers not readable in Thunderbird.     

Searching the NVDA Group Archive

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 

Re: NVDA does not read thunderbird 68.6.0 headers of messages

enes sarıbaş
 

Hi Brian,

My apologies.  I didn't check the archives, as I incorrectly assumed this wouldn't be something many would notice.

On 3/25/2020 9:43 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Just discussed at some length, three days ago, in topic,  Value of headers not readable in Thunderbird.     

Searching the NVDA Group Archive

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locked Re: Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support requests: no more, period

 

hi,
thanks for your message.
for several reasons, nvda 2017.3 is the best version and even 2017.2
works very well, and they work very perfect for my need.
but, two or three items which are included in newer versions of nvda,
i wish to backported to nvda 2017.3, not only for myself, but for the
benefit of all users of this versions like me!
if someone wants to help me in this regard, please email me!
God bless you everyone!

On 3/24/20, abdul muhamin <abdulmuhamin600@...> wrote:
Hi, Zahra, why you don’t update your operating system and the NVDA to the
latest versions to solve all your compatibility problems instead of asking
support of the old software, you should use the new and fresh peace of
software to avoid all the security risks

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From: zahra
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 3:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Statement from Joseph Lee regarding NVDA add-ons
andWindows XP support requests: no more, period

hi joseph.
as i mentioned in my emails, i only need two or three fixed in newer
versions of nvda for backporting to the supported versions of nvda on
xp.
and i promise that my request does not cause nvda crashing or
unresponsiveness in any version of windows!
my requests are only specific for firefox and contains important fixes
which i am sure benefits everyone.

On 3/23/20, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hello NVDA users and add-on developers,



First, I would like to reiterate how important it is that everyone listen
to
advice from reputable sources regarding COVID-19, including public health
officials recommending folks to exercise social distancing for a while.
Even
if you do not feel sick, please help others by washing hands, practice
social distancing, and monitor the situation regarding the pandemic and
community spread. And since the NVDA community is a global movement,
please
support each other.



Onto the matter at hand: for several days I have received requests about
NVDA add-ons and Windows XP support. Requests have included making
add-ons
compatible with Windows XP again, compatibility issues, and backporting
newer NVDA bug fixes and features to users of NVDA 2017.3, the last
version
compatible with Windows XP.



At the moment there is no community guidance on support for Windows XP,
with
many people asking others to upgrade to newer Windows releases. But as
an
individual add-on author and a contributor to NVDA screen reader project,
I
would like to take this time to make the following personal announcement:



Effective April 15, 2020, if you ask me to do one or more of the
following
for Windows XP users, the answer you will get is, "sorry, no more,
period."
These include:



* Making add-ons compatible with Windows XP, Server 2003, Vista, and
Server 2008
* Fixing compatibility issues and non-working add-ons after you
knowingly install newer add-on releases on NVDA 2017.3 or earlier
* Backporting features and bug fixes from newer NVDA releases to NVDA
2017.3
* Maintaining a long-term support version of NVDA for Windows
XP/Server 2003/Vista/Server 2008 users



Most importantly, I will flatly say "no" if you ask me privately to ask
NV
Access and/or add-on developers about Windows XP support. Many features
introduced in newer NVDA releases cannot be backported for various
reasons,
including risk of crashing NVDA (grammar error announcement, for
example),
incompatibility with Python 2 (broader Unicode support, for example),
features that will not work properly with XP (screen curtain, for
example),
support for apps no longer recommended for wider use (outlook Express,
for
example), and broad changes that alters how add-ons work (speech refactor
and multi-category settings dialog, for example). Several add-on authors
have indicated reluctance to support XP, and in case of add-ons I'm
either
maintaining or have passed onto the community, none of them support NVDA
2019.2.1 or earlier, let alone Windows XP and friends.



My personal statement above will not be in effect until April so that you
can help others going through COVID-19 and for my statement as an
individual
developer to sink in. Note that I'm not speaking on behalf of other
developers - others have their own policies regarding support for Windows
XP. NV Access does provide a download link for NVDA 2017.3, the last
version
compatible with Windows XP.



I know my statement is a huge blow to many of you. As much as I wanted
folks
to understand that end of support means end of support, and I understand
that many of you cannot afford newer equipment and software releases
(including moving to newer Windows releases), I felt it is time to make a
bold statement and say "no" to Windows XP support. In the past, I did
note
on various NVDA forums that my add-ons will not and does not support
Windows
XP, but didn't announce a statement like this then, hoping that folks
will
understand the reality at last. But alas, it is time to officially close
the
doors to Windows XP support from my end - once again, this is an
individual
developer saying this, not on behalf of the community at large, knowing
that
others will make statements on their own.



Thank you for understanding.

Cheers,

Joseph





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Re: NVDA getting stuck in frames in Firefox

 

hi.
i am not sure, because currently i have firefox 45 on my system.
and, nvda 2017.3 is the best version of nvda for me!
even nvda 2017.2 is very great, and has everythings that i need.
but i guess that your issue maybe related to one of these issues on github.

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10707
or,
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/pull/9672

On 3/26/20, Greg Williams <greg.williams.1978@...> wrote:
Hi,

NVDA 2019.3 frequently gets stuck in frames in Firefox (I am using
Firefox 67 currently). I seemed to be able to repeat it consistently on
this page:
https://www.koco.com/article/oklahoma-cowboy-museum-puts-security-guard-in-charge-of-social-media-during-closure-now-hes-going-viral/31925162?fbclid=IwAR2LVA2FN66nWA70ZclWMEaxhCHyyM3d4R4E3-uCtpljzi5raYJF_gbImz4

(any enjoyment from the actual page is a bonus). Sometimes refreshing
content NVDA+f5 works, and sometimes NVDA+ctrl+space works, and
sometimes I have to restart NVDA. Pressing tab moves through the
elements on the page, but the arrow keys only read the frame content. I
tried the new beta, but it also gets stuck. I am running Windows 10. Do
other people experience this, or is there some quirk in my setup? Thanks.

Greg





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By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Re: NVDA getting stuck in frames in Firefox

Jacob Kruger
 

What I did notive when visiting that page, using firefox 74, was that it firstly asked for me for permission to know my location, and then to show notifications - both os those might keep hold of focus until dismissed, and, then it seemed to have opened a form of in-page dialogue asking me to subscribe to a corona newsletter, but, when I activated the close button, then it returned to the article mentioned in the page title.


I do have the mozilla apps add-on installed here, and am running NVDA 2020.1 beta 1, if relevant, but, what mentioned above might interfere with initial interaction?


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2020-03-25 10:43 PM, Greg Williams wrote:
Hi,

NVDA 2019.3 frequently gets stuck in frames in Firefox (I am using Firefox 67 currently). I seemed to be able to repeat it consistently on this page: https://www.koco.com/article/oklahoma-cowboy-museum-puts-security-guard-in-charge-of-social-media-during-closure-now-hes-going-viral/31925162?fbclid=IwAR2LVA2FN66nWA70ZclWMEaxhCHyyM3d4R4E3-uCtpljzi5raYJF_gbImz4

(any enjoyment from the actual page is a bonus). Sometimes refreshing content NVDA+f5 works, and sometimes NVDA+ctrl+space works, and sometimes I have to restart NVDA. Pressing tab moves through the elements on the page, but the arrow keys only read the frame content. I tried the new beta, but it also gets stuck. I am running Windows 10. Do other people experience this, or is there some quirk in my setup? Thanks.

Greg



Re: question regard review cursor.

Quentin Christensen
 

You're doing great with your English Zahra :)


On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 5:45 PM zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi quentin.
i downloaded sample audio of your basic training for nvda, and i
really loved it!
i thought that its difficult for me to understand english audio books,
but i listened half of the mp3 files, and thanks God, could understand
most of sentences very easy!

On 3/26/20, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> The Basic Training for NVDA has an entire chapter on the review cursor,
> followed by one on object navigation (the two concepts go hand in hand).
> As it happens, the chapter on the review cursor is the one which is
> available for free to give you a taste of what the whole module is like.
> You can download it here:
> https://www.nvaccess.org/product/basic-training-for-nvda-ebook/ (That's the
> link to the shop to purchase the module, look for the link for the sample
> chapter).  The module is also available in audio:
> https://www.nvaccess.org/product/basic-training-for-nvda-downloadable-audio/
> (and
> there is a sample of the audio as well) and also in Braille:
> https://www.nvaccess.org/product/basic-training-for-nvda-braille-hard-copy/
> (no
> sample for the Braille as it is hardcopy shipped to you, not downloadable
> like the others).
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 4:36 PM Meet modi <meetmodi2359@...> wrote:
>
>> hello friends,
>> I wont to know about review cursor.
>> I look forward to user guide.
>> In user guide i am  confuse.
>>
>> i saw in user guide.
>> screen review ,text review ETC but i cant find about review cursor.
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>>
>>
>
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> Training and Support Manager
>
> Web: www.nvaccess.org
> Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
> Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
> User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
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> Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
>
>
>
>


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were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali





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Training and Support Manager