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Re: NVDA is too verbose on Youtube?

Rob Hudson
 

Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
Does JAWS have a feature to stop automatic reading of live regions and
am I correct about what they do and that this may be a serious problem
on some sites?
To my knowledge, the only screen reader that has anything at all in its settings about live regions is Orca for GNU/Linux.
Stock tickers, facebook, twitter and other websites where messaging is a feature all use the live regions thing, now. And NVDA does not have a setting about dynamic content such as these. I don't know why, either.


Re: NVDA is too verbose on Youtube?

Gene
 

If this is what I think it is, not being able to stop automatic
reading of live regions sounds like a serious deficiency. I believe
there are sites, such as financial sites, where a stock ticker might
be a live region. How can you work well with a site of that sort if
the live region is constantly trying to speak as information changes?
Does JAWS have a feature to stop automatic reading of live regions and
am I correct about what they do and that this may be a serious problem
on some sites?

Having said that, if the original poster doesn't use such sites, and I
suspect the majority of people don't, and if the only problem is the
youtube problem, I still consider that to be an absurd reason to
prefer one screen-reader over another.
Gene

On 3/28/20, Rob Hudson <rob_hudson_3182@gmx.com> wrote:
Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think automatic reading of sites has anything to do with this
and I would recommend you turn it back on.
Snip
Others may know of a setting, but I doubt there is one.
This is what they call live regions, I think, in html-land. There is no
setting in NVDA to handle these. Your only option is to silence speech or
hit the control key.




Re: NVDA is too verbose on Youtube?

Rob Hudson
 

Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think automatic reading of sites has anything to do with this
and I would recommend you turn it back on.
Snip
Others may know of a setting, but I doubt there is one.
This is what they call live regions, I think, in html-land. There is no setting in NVDA to handle these. Your only option is to silence speech or hit the control key.


Re: NVDA is too verbose on Youtube?

Gene
 

I don't think automatic reading of sites has anything to do with this
and I would recommend you turn it back on. It appears you are
referring to the automatic read when a site finishes loading feature,
which is a very good way to know when a site has loaded. Others may
know of a setting, but I doubt there is one. and changing settings
just to stop this unwanted automatic reading may have other
detrimental effects on other sites if something is available that may
stop this behavior.

I'll add that, as a comment on the situation, I have no patience with
someone who makes a tiny inconvenience into a major issue to the point
where it is a decisive factor in using NVDA or not. Using the stop
speech command is such a tiny inconvenience that I can't help but
wonder if the person simply doesn't want to change, no matter what. I
don't even consider it an inconvenience. Its so trivial that its just
something you do. I wouldn't be surprised if the person does trivial
things when using JAWS he/she might not need to do with NVDA.

Gene

On 3/28/20, Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@gmail.com> wrote:
I’ve a friend here in my city, whom I’m trying to convince that NVDA is the
way to go these days, instead of the Shark, but he insists that he doesn’t
like “the Martian” as he calls jokingly NVDA, Because especially on Youtube,
it’s very verbose! You can be watching a video, and it’ll start reading off
the comments for instance, when the Shark doesn’t do this. I tell him that
the solution would be to, while on Youtube, to via the nvda+S to silence the
speech, and when he needs to change videos or interact, regain speech via
the before-mentioned combo. He and I have gone through the settings just to
check if maybe there’s a setting that’ll make it behave better with Youtube?
We turned off the Automatic Reading of sites. Any other ideas you guys could
come up with? That might help?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel



Setting a key to change indentation level

Greg Wocher
 

Hello all,

Is there a way to set a key to set how NVDA announces indentation level? For example, I could use NVDA plus Control plus i to cycle thru the indentation levels.


Thanks,

Greg Wocher


NVDA is too verbose on Youtube?

Gerardo Corripio
 

I’ve a friend here in my city, whom I’m trying to convince that NVDA is the way to go these days, instead of the Shark, but he insists that he doesn’t like “the Martian” as he calls jokingly NVDA, Because especially on Youtube, it’s very verbose! You can be watching a video, and it’ll start reading off the comments for instance, when the Shark doesn’t do this. I tell him that the solution would be to, while on Youtube, to via the nvda+S to silence the speech, and when he needs to change videos or interact, regain speech via the before-mentioned combo. He and I have gone through the settings just to check if maybe there’s a setting that’ll make it behave better with Youtube? We turned off the Automatic Reading of sites. Any other ideas you guys could come up with? That might help?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel


Re: When nvda keeps turning itself on any time another program opens or shuts

Sarah k Alawami
 

I don't have an answer but can you send a log is possible? You are doing everythign right.

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On 27 Mar 2020, at 18:39, Gene wrote:

I don't know why its happening. You are using the correct shutdown
command and it should be completely shut down. Maybe others will have
suggestions.

Gene

On 3/27/20, Hugin blaisegellert@... wrote:

HI Gene:
To answer the question Our NVDA modifier key is defined to be Insert. So
essentially I am doing NVDA q. It turns off, and then turns itself back on
when any other program does anything/off or on. I hope I'm doing something
wrong? LOL So I can fix this.
I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed.
I get along with the voices inside of my head.


Re: When nvda keeps turning itself on any time another program opens or shuts

Gene
 

I don't know why its happening. You are using the correct shutdown
command and it should be completely shut down. Maybe others will have
suggestions.

Gene

On 3/27/20, Hugin <blaisegellert@gmail.com> wrote:
HI Gene:
To answer the question Our NVDA modifier key is defined to be Insert. So
essentially I am doing NVDA q. It turns off, and then turns itself back on
when any other program does anything/off or on. I hope I'm doing something
wrong? LOL So I can fix this.
I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed.
I get along with the voices inside of my head.





Re: When nvda keeps turning itself on any time another program opens or shuts

Hugin
 

HI Gene:
To answer the question Our NVDA modifier key is defined to be Insert. So essentially I am doing NVDA q. It turns off, and then turns itself back on when any other program does anything/off or on. I hope I'm doing something wrong? LOL So I can fix this.
I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed.
I get along with the voices inside of my head.


Re: Installing add ons to the most recent version of NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!


What browser are you using?

What extension the files have? .zip?


Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team


Às 21:23 de 27/03/2020, Jim Stanga escreveu:

Hi Rui:

 

When I get to the Addons web page and open the files nothing happens.

I do not see anything about installation.

Am I missing something?

 

Thanks,

 

Jim

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2020 4:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Installing add ons to the most recent version of NVDA

 

Hello!

 

When you activate the "Get add-ons" button it should open the add-ons repository webpage...

 

Rui Fontes

 

Às 19:45 de 27/03/2020, Jim Stanga escreveu:

Hello:

 

I have installed the most recent version of NVDA.

(not sure how to confirm the version number)

When I go to the Addons manager I cannot seem to install the new addons.

I go  to get Addons but nothing happens when I open the file.

Any thoughts?

 

Thanks in advance!

 

Jim Stanga

 


Re: When nvda keeps turning itself on any time another program opens or shuts

Gene
 

How are you turning it off? If you are using NVDA q, it should be
completely unloaded and not do anything until you run it again.

Gene

On 3/27/20, Hugin <blaisegellert@gmail.com> wrote:
This started back in January when I had to install nvda on 2 new computers.
I use it but my husband is only legally blind so can see enough not to use a
screen reader. Anytime he's using the computer for something he turns nvda
off and if another program opens or closes, completely unrelated it will
start up and we need to shut it down again. Like today when windows is
wanting crap and he has to fuss with it's maddening.LOL. So as it seems to
be a new thing, at least for me, is there a setting called don't start up
until I start you up? LOL
I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed.
I get along with the voices inside of my head.




Re: Bluetooth hearing aid lag on Windows 10 with NVDA.

 

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 07:56 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:
Once NVDA is inactive for 1 minute or so, it will stop playing silence to conserve the battery life of your hearing aid.
And hearing aid wearers everywhere who also use NVDA and a Bluetooth audio connection thank you for your thoughtfulness.  (I did notice you're the developer of the add-on.)
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: Tiflotecnia's Status on Vocalizer Angelica, Nathan and other newer voices

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!


Can you send us a NVDA log file?send it to tiflotecnia@..., please...


Best regards,


Customer support

Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 21:24 de 27/03/2020, cédric Paulet via Groups.Io escreveu:

Good evening,

I encounter a problem with nvda vocalizer 3.1.1 driver with nvda 2020 beta 1. When nvda is loaded, there are a series of beeps. They don’t stop.

Is there a solution to solve the problem.

Furthermore, is not possible to change the credentials or deactivate the license with this driver.

Thanks

Best regards

Cedric

De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> De la part de Gerardo Corripio
Envoyé : vendredi 27 mars 2020 17:31
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : [nvda] Tiflotecnia's Status on Vocalizer Angelica, Nathan and other newer voices

 

Rui and list

What’s the status on coming out with Angelica, Nathan and other newer Vocalizer voices, to continue to enrich our experiences with NVDA and have more variety of voies to work with?

 

                                                                                              Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 


Re: question regard skype?

 

Its also worth mentioning that everyone should get used to this because winaero has told me a couple weeks ago that the skype desktop will be the only one we will have from now on sooner or later.

Microsoft is going to be deleting skype, and skype will be going away perminantly at some stage.

What that means is that instead of universal skype and desktop skype skype electron desktop will be the new universal and be managed from the store, so it appears with their use of chrome and its tech that they are changing to a more or less web interface for just about everything which is probably a good thing in the long run.

On 27/03/2020 6:36 pm, zahra wrote:
hi.
i believe that using skype 8 should be very easy.
because one time i tested and it was like a web browser!

On 3/27/20, Meet modi <meetmodi2359@gmail.com> wrote:
hello members.
I wont to know about that if i enter in one chat of group how can possible
to exit?
and second question any shortcuts key or addons is available so guide me...
Thanks in advance




Re: Bluetooth hearing aid lag on Windows 10 with NVDA.

Tony Malykh
 

You don't have to worry about turning Bluetooth audio off - this add-on monitors if NVDA is active, and by active I mean speaking anything. Once NVDA is inactive for 1 minute or so, it will stop playing silence to conserve the battery life of your hearing aid. Not sure whether the same would apply to silencio.


On 3/27/2020 4:15 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I can report that I'm getting the beginning of most, if not every, chunk of NVDA audio output being cut off with my Unitron Moxi hearing aids as well.

I'll have to play with both the Bluetooth Audio Add-On and, eventually, Silencio.  I would be careful about turning either one off when you know that you're going to be away from the computer for any length of time, as if you're within Bluetooth range of the machine when this is on it will keep the Bluetooth connectivity constantly in use on a hearing aid, and that does decrease your battery life.  My aids are rechargeable, but it would be really irritating were they to run out of power in the middle of the day because I'd been sitting anywhere near to my computer, after having established a Bluetooth connection, and the "silent keep alive" stream were running them down.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: Bluetooth hearing aid lag on Windows 10 with NVDA.

 

I can report that I'm getting the beginning of most, if not every, chunk of NVDA audio output being cut off with my Unitron Moxi hearing aids as well.

I'll have to play with both the Bluetooth Audio Add-On and, eventually, Silencio.  I would be careful about turning either one off when you know that you're going to be away from the computer for any length of time, as if you're within Bluetooth range of the machine when this is on it will keep the Bluetooth connectivity constantly in use on a hearing aid, and that does decrease your battery life.  My aids are rechargeable, but it would be really irritating were they to run out of power in the middle of the day because I'd been sitting anywhere near to my computer, after having established a Bluetooth connection, and the "silent keep alive" stream were running them down.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: NVDA Error

molly the blind tech lover
 

Are you hearing a sound? If so, NVDA betas make sound whenever there is an error. I'm running the beta too,

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrea Sherry
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2020 6:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Error

Not really. I'm just getting that error double tone.
BTW I put the wrong version. I am using the latest beta.
Andrea

On 28/03/2020 8:57 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
Is there anything more specific than just "NVDA Error?" More of an
error message or a code associated with same?

--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

*Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.*

~ Madonna


When nvda keeps turning itself on any time another program opens or shuts

Hugin
 

This started back in January when I had to install nvda on 2 new computers. I use it but my husband is only legally blind so can see enough not to use a screen reader. Anytime he's using the computer for something he turns nvda off and if another program opens or closes, completely unrelated it will start up and we need to shut it down again. Like today when windows is wanting crap and he has to fuss with it's maddening.LOL. So as it seems to be a new thing, at least for me, is there a setting called don't start up until I start you up? LOL
I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed.
I get along with the voices inside of my head.


Re: Bluetooth hearing aid lag on Windows 10 with NVDA.

Tony Malykh
 

When you say "the addon for Bluetooth to stay connected, ", do you mean Bluetooth Audio add-on?

You're describing the beginning of every chunk of audio gets cut off, that is indeed indicative of your hearing aid entering standby mode too quickly. There is a program called Silencio, that you might want to try, it is similar to Bluetooth audio add-on, in the sense that it just plays silence and prevents bluetooth devices from entring stand by. You might want to try to see if it works.


On 3/26/2020 5:54 AM, Daniel Hawkins wrote:
Hello everyone,

I am currently am trying out a new hearing aid called the phonak Marvel. It has Bluetooth and I can connect this to my iPhone, Mac, and Windows 10. however, when i am connected to Windows 10 with NVDA, I have noticed that it have really really bad lag when the screenreader speaks. All first character or word is chopped off. Typing is almost impossible due to it is not spoken. It seems like as soon the TTS stop speaking, it goes into standby. However, my IPhone and mac does not have this problem. I have tried the addon for Bluetooth to stay connected, and I have not noticed a difference.

have anyone else have this issue too?

Thanks guys!
Daniel Hawkins
Check out my website: iabilityi.com





Re: Direct Download

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, I agree with this post.

On 27/03/2020 11:44, Gene wrote:
I think the information should have been sent privately and I don't
think the other information should have been sent to the list about
how to download other versions. There is a request for donation when
you use the standard download method. Seeing it may get some people
to donate who wouldn't otherwise.
Gene
\ On 3/27/20, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com> wrote:
For other versions, just replace the numbers of the version...


Rui Fontes


Às 11:29 de 27/03/2020, Martin O'Sullivan escreveu:
Hi

Here is the link, to download it
https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2019.3.1/nvda_2019.3.1.exe

this is the latest version.

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On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 at 09:44, Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) via
Groups.Io <steven.hicks=nhs.net@groups.io <mailto:nhs.net@groups.io>>
wrote:

Hi all,

I Have a friend who would like to try NVDA but he is struggling
with the download page.

Is there a link that will just go to a direct download and skip
everything that I can send to him?




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