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Re: NVDA has Acquired a new, and somewhat annoying Feature

Brian Vogel
 

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 11:24 PM, Betsy Grenevitch wrote:
I assume I have the latest version of thunderbird.
ALT+H, A will open the About Thunderbird dialog that will give you information on what version you're running as well as what update channel you are on, where the release update channel is the stable releases.  I don't know what it will say for those running betas, but it won't be "release" channel.

The current version of 32-bit Thunderbird (which is what the vast majority of users will have, even on 64-bit hardware) is 68.6.0 as of this date and time.  If you have a version number any higher than that you're on one of the non-stable-release channels.

Everything I can find indicates that if you want to change from any of the non-release channels to the release channel the easiest way to do so is to download the regular Thunderbird installer (which would be for release channel) and do an install-over install, which should remove the non-release version and replace it.
 
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Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 
NVDA has Acquired a new, and somewhat annoying Feature

Brian Moore
 

Hi.  This is not nvda at all. When I test on production release which I have on another machine, it is fine.  It is reading lots of extra text about imap syncing which happens a lot.


Also, if you don't turn off the status bar, it will tell you when you move a message to trash, and a bunch of other info which really adds up quickly.  It is certainly a thunderbird change.


Also, some features of the mozilla apps enhancement no longer work such as the ability to sort columns in folders.


Brian.
Re: NVDA has Acquired a new, and somewhat annoying Feature

Brian Moore
 

This is specific to the 75 version betas of thunderbird.  Turning off the status line helps some but not entirely.  they still haven't fixed the ability to sort columns and the addon will no longer let you do it in these versions.


If there was an easy way to go back to the production release I would do it but my mail database won't port back.

Brian.

On 4/1/2020 11:25 PM, Betsy Grenevitch wrote:

I forgot to mention that I do not understand what you turned off to try to use it.


On 4/1/2020 8:34 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Is there something new in the Thunderbird betas perhaps?  I just tried with alpha-19867,54f1b727 on Thunderbird 68.6.0 32-bit (the latest regular version?) and it read as normal, so it looks like it's something changed in Thunderbird, and might be worth contacting Mozilla perhaps?  Does it do the same thing if you use NVDA 2019.3.1?  I didn't notice a difference in Thunderbird 68.6, but if you could provide exact steps to repeat and exactly what superfluous information is being read I can double check.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 1:31 AM Betsy Grenevitch <blindangel61@...> wrote:
I am having the same problem and it definitely interrupts the reading of
email.



On 3/31/2020 5:17 PM, Governor staten wrote:
> Hello, everyone. I'm using Thunderbird 75 beta 2 64 bit with the
> latest NVDA Alpha. As of a few days ago, the reading of certain
> processes in Thunderbird is being done. However, it is way too
> verbose. Sometimes it reads pieces of text and letters. I wish I knew
> what this was and how to modify it, or turn it off.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876






--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

-- 
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876
Re: NVDA has Acquired a new, and somewhat annoying Feature

Joseph Lee
 

Hi Betsy and all,

I see.

If I understand you correctly, NVDA somehow does not read next messages automatically when you delete the current message in Thunderbird, and you say this problem began when you updated add-ons and/or Thunderbird. To really figure out if it is Thunderbird, can you try reverting (going back) to latest public version of Thunderbird? If that resolves the problem, I think a love call to Mozilla would be in order (i.e. reporting the problem in hopes of Mozilla understanding and resolving it). Also, given that some folks did report a similar problem, I hope others can chime in with their findings with the steps I wrote earlier.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Betsy Grenevitch
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 8:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA has Acquired a new, and somewhat annoying Feature

 

I assume I have the latest version of thunderbird. It seemed to start acting up about the same time I updated Thunderbird and also did some add-on updates with NVDA but I do not recall what they are.

 

It took me over half an hour even to get in the program tonight when I had shut it down--Thunderbird.

 

I wish I could figure out how to describe what is going one. One thing is when you delete an email it starts saying different letters like it is trying to tell you what is going on. I also can no longer go from one email to the next and have it read smoothly like I used to be able to do by just pushing the delete on the numpad and it going right to the next email. I now have to push insert and then down arrow--not numpad keys for it to stop saying all of those different letters. It is really hard to describe. It was running so smoothly.

 

I wonder if it is because I am running a beta version as I was willing to be a tester for them? I did not think of that earlier.

 

 

On 4/1/2020 8:34 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Is there something new in the Thunderbird betas perhaps?  I just tried with alpha-19867,54f1b727 on Thunderbird 68.6.0 32-bit (the latest regular version?) and it read as normal, so it looks like it's something changed in Thunderbird, and might be worth contacting Mozilla perhaps?  Does it do the same thing if you use NVDA 2019.3.1?  I didn't notice a difference in Thunderbird 68.6, but if you could provide exact steps to repeat and exactly what superfluous information is being read I can double check.


Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 1:31 AM Betsy Grenevitch <blindangel61@...> wrote:

I am having the same problem and it definitely interrupts the reading of
email.



On 3/31/2020 5:17 PM, Governor staten wrote:
> Hello, everyone. I'm using Thunderbird 75 beta 2 64 bit with the
> latest NVDA Alpha. As of a few days ago, the reading of certain
> processes in Thunderbird is being done. However, it is way too
> verbose. Sometimes it reads pieces of text and letters. I wish I knew
> what this was and how to modify it, or turn it off.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876




 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

-- 
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876
Re: NVDA has Acquired a new, and somewhat annoying Feature

Betsy Grenevitch
 

I forgot to mention that I do not understand what you turned off to try to use it.


On 4/1/2020 8:34 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Is there something new in the Thunderbird betas perhaps?  I just tried with alpha-19867,54f1b727 on Thunderbird 68.6.0 32-bit (the latest regular version?) and it read as normal, so it looks like it's something changed in Thunderbird, and might be worth contacting Mozilla perhaps?  Does it do the same thing if you use NVDA 2019.3.1?  I didn't notice a difference in Thunderbird 68.6, but if you could provide exact steps to repeat and exactly what superfluous information is being read I can double check.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 1:31 AM Betsy Grenevitch <blindangel61@...> wrote:
I am having the same problem and it definitely interrupts the reading of
email.



On 3/31/2020 5:17 PM, Governor staten wrote:
> Hello, everyone. I'm using Thunderbird 75 beta 2 64 bit with the
> latest NVDA Alpha. As of a few days ago, the reading of certain
> processes in Thunderbird is being done. However, it is way too
> verbose. Sometimes it reads pieces of text and letters. I wish I knew
> what this was and how to modify it, or turn it off.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876






--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

-- 
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876
Re: NVDA has Acquired a new, and somewhat annoying Feature

Betsy Grenevitch
 

I assume I have the latest version of thunderbird. It seemed to start acting up about the same time I updated Thunderbird and also did some add-on updates with NVDA but I do not recall what they are.


It took me over half an hour even to get in the program tonight when I had shut it down--Thunderbird.


I wish I could figure out how to describe what is going one. One thing is when you delete an email it starts saying different letters like it is trying to tell you what is going on. I also can no longer go from one email to the next and have it read smoothly like I used to be able to do by just pushing the delete on the numpad and it going right to the next email. I now have to push insert and then down arrow--not numpad keys for it to stop saying all of those different letters. It is really hard to describe. It was running so smoothly.


I wonder if it is because I am running a beta version as I was willing to be a tester for them? I did not think of that earlier.



On 4/1/2020 8:34 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Is there something new in the Thunderbird betas perhaps?  I just tried with alpha-19867,54f1b727 on Thunderbird 68.6.0 32-bit (the latest regular version?) and it read as normal, so it looks like it's something changed in Thunderbird, and might be worth contacting Mozilla perhaps?  Does it do the same thing if you use NVDA 2019.3.1?  I didn't notice a difference in Thunderbird 68.6, but if you could provide exact steps to repeat and exactly what superfluous information is being read I can double check.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 1:31 AM Betsy Grenevitch <blindangel61@...> wrote:
I am having the same problem and it definitely interrupts the reading of
email.



On 3/31/2020 5:17 PM, Governor staten wrote:
> Hello, everyone. I'm using Thunderbird 75 beta 2 64 bit with the
> latest NVDA Alpha. As of a few days ago, the reading of certain
> processes in Thunderbird is being done. However, it is way too
> verbose. Sometimes it reads pieces of text and letters. I wish I knew
> what this was and how to modify it, or turn it off.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876






--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

-- 
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876
Re: expanding links that won't expand

Brian Vogel
 

As a semi-useless aside, but it may prove instructive if we have HTML experts reading, the only way I knew that "Your Account" was classed as a button was by opening the page source for the simmarket.com page, searching for "Your Account" in the source, and finding this line:

<li class="header_user_menu_item toggle-click" id="header-user-menu-container_account"><button type="button" class="btn-header" onClick="toggle_account_menu(this);">Your Account</button><div id="account-menu" class="header-menu-container">

There's lots more that follows that for the display of all of the bits unveiled when that control is activated.
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Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 
Re: NVDA with updated Windows Essentials

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,
Hmmm... Let's try this:
1. Press NvDA+Q.
2. When Exit NVDA dialog appears, press R until you arrive at "restart with add-ons disabled".
3. Press Enter. This will restart NVDA with add-ons (including Windows 10 App Essentials) turned off, possibly using Windows OneCore speech synthesizer.
4. Use Thunderbird as usual.
5. See if NVDA becomes sluggish or announces odd things.
6. Restart NVDA (press NVDA+Q, select "restart", and press Enter). This will restore add-ons.
7. Use Thunderbird as usual and see if NVDA becomes slow to respond or says odd things.
In effect, what the above steps will do is let you compare how NVDA is doing with and without add-ons. If you don't have any add-ons installed (which you can check by opening NVDA menu (NVDA+N)(, Tools, Manage add-ons and looking at how many items are in the resulting add-ons list; if it is 0, there is no add-on), the above steps won't matter, as clearly it is with Thunderbird, something Mozilla must be notified (way beyond NVDA unless somehow it involves certain parts of NVDA).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Betsy Grenevitch
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 8:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA with updated Windows Essentials

Joseph, I do not even know how to do this. I just know what I use every day and that is about it.



On 4/1/2020 7:04 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Before we get into debugging things, can you try running with add-ons disabled (press NVDA+Q, select "restart with add-ons disabled") and see if NVDA slows down?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Betsy Grenevitch
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 4:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA with updated Windows Essentials

Joseph, I do not know the command for "debug lockdown". I will gladly do that for you if you can give me the command because the latest update on either Thunderbird or something else has definitely caused the program to be sluggish.



Thanks so much for all you do. I am definitely hoping to donate to NV Access some time this year.



On 4/1/2020 12:29 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Is this the case for people using old Thunderbird releases? If not, this might be something to do with TB 75. To better understand this though, I need a debug log (restart NVDA with debug logging enabled, use Thunderbird, as soon as you hear "message deleted", press NVDA+F1 to open log viewer, copy and paste everything as a private email to me as debug log will give you all sorts of information such as keys you've pressed).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Grossoehme
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 8:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA with updated Windows Essentials

Good Morning: Has anybody else noticed a change in Thunderbird after making the most update of Windows Essentials? . This would be version
20.04 with NVDA 1903. This problem occurs on an insider version of windows, so, it might make a difference. When in thunderbird I hear that one message has been deleted, when deleting a message before going on to read the next message.

Dave







--
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876
Re: expanding links that won't expand

Brian Vogel
 

Sarah,

            First and foremost, thank you for posting a URL for myself and all other assistants.  I presume you mean the "Your Account" control which, by the way, is not a link, although the View Cart and Contact Us immediately next to it are both links.

            In looking at the page source for the Your Account control, it is a button, but what a mutant version of a button.  If you are using a mouse like I do, when you hover over this control the entire structure unveils itself for you to either point and click or click into text boxes like those for username and password.  Under NVDA 2019.3.1, I find that I can get to it using the quick browsing 'b' command for buttons only when the page has first loaded, and once I land on it hitting enter opens up the whole range of controls it unveils.  You can then TAB your way through all of them.  Even though there are text boxes, buttons, and links as part of that control, they must be TABBED through.  If I try using any of the usual single letter quick browsing commands I am instantly thrown back into the main body of the page itself and out of the "Your Account" control entirely.

             If I want to go back to that control, or even get to it in the first place, I find it far easier to use the browser search for "Your Account," hitting Escape to close the browser search once it's found, then NVDA has focus on the control and you can hit enter and start tabbing.

             I am using the latest version of Edge Dev (meaning I literally did the latest update after I'd opened that page, causing Edge Dev to restart).  It should work similarly under any Chromium-based browser, and probably Firefox and other non-Chromium-based browsers, too.

             Give this a whirl and let me know how it works for you.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 
Re: NVDA with updated Windows Essentials

Betsy Grenevitch
 

Joseph, I do not even know how to do this. I just know what I use every day and that is about it.

On 4/1/2020 7:04 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Before we get into debugging things, can you try running with add-ons disabled (press NVDA+Q, select "restart with add-ons disabled") and see if NVDA slows down?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Betsy Grenevitch
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 4:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA with updated Windows Essentials

Joseph, I do not know the command for "debug lockdown". I will gladly do that for you if you can give me the command because the latest update on either Thunderbird or something else has definitely caused the program to be sluggish.



Thanks so much for all you do. I am definitely hoping to donate to NV Access some time this year.



On 4/1/2020 12:29 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Is this the case for people using old Thunderbird releases? If not, this might be something to do with TB 75. To better understand this though, I need a debug log (restart NVDA with debug logging enabled, use Thunderbird, as soon as you hear "message deleted", press NVDA+F1 to open log viewer, copy and paste everything as a private email to me as debug log will give you all sorts of information such as keys you've pressed).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Grossoehme
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 8:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA with updated Windows Essentials

Good Morning: Has anybody else noticed a change in Thunderbird after making the most update of Windows Essentials? . This would be version
20.04 with NVDA 1903. This problem occurs on an insider version of windows, so, it might make a difference. When in thunderbird I hear that one message has been deleted, when deleting a message before going on to read the next message.

Dave







--
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876
Re: New add-on, frequentText

Jeff Samco
 

I need help knowing how to download the add-on file to then install into NVDA. I am clickking on the link in the email that seems to be associated  with the  "download  stable version" but I don't get an actual webpage to load.
Thanks,
Jeff


At 10:37 AM 3/30/2020, you wrote:

Hello!


We present a new add-on...


Frequent text
Informations
• Authors: Rui Fontes and Ângelo Abrantes, based on work of Marcos António de Oliveira
• Updated in 27/03/2020
• Download stable version
• Compatibility: NVDA version 2019.3 and posteriors
Presentation
This add-on provides a way to quickly insert blocks of text you type frequently in documents you write.
Usage
To start using this add-on you will need to fill the blocks of text you want to use. For that, first press Windows+f12. It will be displayed a dialog where you can press Tab to access the "Add" button. Activate it to create a new block. In the first dialog, type the name of the block and press Enter or activate the "Ok" button. It will present a dialog to type the block of text. Enter the lines you want, and when done, press Tab and activate the "Ok" button.
To paste the block of text in an edit field, just select the block and press Enter.
In the add-on dialog box you also can rename, change the contents or delete the block of text.


Best regards,


Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team
Methods for copying text or links from chat messages in Zoom

Scott Salzman
 

Hi,

I've searched this topic using both the group archive search function, and a search of the group site using Google, and I've read through all of those search results.  I've also searched the web, but haven't found any specific methods of copying text from a chat message in Zoom, using NVDA, that will work during a Zoom session.  Sometimes, there's a need to be able to copy a link from a chat message and view a web resource during a Zoom meeting.  So I thought I'd share two methods that, while a bit clunky, consistently worked for me, when I tested them in the latest version of Zoom (2019.3.1) and Windows 10, with the latest versions of Firefox and Chrome.  Apologies if these are common knowledge, I didn't find any descriptions of using them with a screen reader.

The first method is to use the explicit "Save chat" button in the Zoom chat window, then you can navigate to the saved chat file, which is, of course, a plain text file, and you can find your intended text or link in that file, and copy it into your web browser, or wherever you like.  You can repeat this process as many times as you like during a Zoom session, so you can use this method each time a link is sent in a chat message.

  1. If the Zoom chat window is not already open, open it by pressing Alt+H.
  2. Press Tab until you hear NVDA say "More chat options dropdown button".
  3. Press Enter.
  4. NVDA will say "Menu".
  5. Press Down Arrow.
  6. NVDA will say "Save chat button"
  7. Then NVDA will say "Zoom Group Chat" (at this point your focus has left the chat options dropdown menu and returned to the chat window).
  8. All of the chat messages that have been sent, up to this point in the Zoom session, will be saved to the current location for saving Zoom chats. The default location is a folder called "Zoom", under your Documents folder.  The file is called "meeting_saved_chat.txt", and it will be inside a folder that has a name beginning with a date and time stamp.  It may be convenient to keep that folder open, so you can more conveniently access the saved chat file, as you update it.
  9. At this point, you should have a fully accessible copy of all chat messages, and you can use the keyboard commands of your choice to navigate, select, and then copy and paste the link into a browser window. 
    1. Note that this method selects and copies all chat content, with each chat message starting on a new line, and beginning with a time stamp.  That may make be helpful in finding the message of interest.
  10. You can repeat the save process, which will update the saved chat file, as many times as you like. Doing this has no effect on whether the entire Zoom session's chat will be saved automatically. It appears that each save, including any automatic end-of-meeting save, will append the chat content to the same file.
 

The second method is to use the standard Windows commands for selecting all text, and then for copying and pasting that text into Notepad.  From there, you have an accessible text copy of the chat message content, from which you can find and select some text, or a link, and copy it into your web browser.  Here are the steps:

  1. If the Zoom chat window is not already open, open it by pressing Alt+H.
  2. Press Tab until you hear "Chat text list list".  At this point, your focus is on the chat messages area.
  3. It doesn't appear that you can reliably navigate within between individual chat messages, in a way that would allow you to select and copy an individual chat message, but you can select all of the chat message content, and copy it.  To do this, press Control+A to select all text.  NVDA does not say anything when you do this.
  4. Then press Control+C to copy the selected text to the Windows clipboard.  NVDA does not say anything when you do this, either.
  5. Since your intent is to paste the text that you just copied, you can verify that you successfully selected and copied your intended text after you attempt to paste it.  It may be convenient to have an empty Notepad window ready for pasting this text.  You can paste your copied text using the Windows paste command, which is Control+V.
  6. At this point, you should have a fully accessible text copy of the entire group of chat messages that you copied, and you can use the keyboard commands of your choice to navigate, select, and then copy and paste your intended text or link from that file, into your web browser, or wherever you like
    1. Note that this method selects and copies all chat message content, so you will need to find the text or link of interest from among all of the chat content.  Also, the format of the chat message content that gets copied with this method may not be what you expect.  I tested this with only myself in a Zoom session, so all messages were sent from me to "Everyone".  All of those messages were contained in a single group, with that group of messages beginning with a line that contained the "from" and "to" information, followed by a second line that contains all of the chat messages combined, one after the other, with no space in between them, all on a single line.  It may be helpful to expect that the chat message content will be in this format if you try to navigate it line by line.


I hope that this information is helpful to someone.

If you try these methods, please share any corrections or improvements, and if you know of any other methods of copying text or links from chat messages during a Zoom session, please share them.

Thanks.

Scott

Scott Salzman
Web Discovery Librarian
Furman University
Re: Does nvda work with Microsoft teams?

Pramit
 

Hi Gene,

Microsoft Teams is completely accessible with NVDA. 
Have used it on my Windows computer and haven't found any difficulty with it.
Sharing some links from Microsoft Support and will be of help to anyone using Microsoft Teams


The above link has all the information together at one place including setup and functionality, including the Microsoft Teams app download link.

Hope this helps

Pramit




On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 9:47 AM hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
hi guys


I do not use the above program for work etc but have been asked by a
adaptive tech person how well NVDA works with this program.


Has any one used it on this list? Does it work well with nvda is there
any qwerks?


Any feed back would be good to feed back to them.


Gene nz
expanding links that won't expand

Sarah k Alawami
 

I can't really describe this well, but there are links on some pages where if you click them, a menu pops out. I can get this to work on the mac but not that much in windows under nvda 19.2 and 19.3, actually I've ben having the issue since last year. I think they call these fly out menus. I think this is the job of the web dev to fix but is there a work around i"m missing. Here's an example

  1. Go to simmarket.com
  2. I'm not sure if you have to be log in for this but click the my account link. You should see "my wish list, my cart, my orders etc. I cannot get this to expand even after playing with it. Sometimes I can route with nvda backspace but even then after trying that trick the page does not show these options. I'm beginning to go nuts as this is how I can get my keys and stuff for softwares and downloads to updates.

Take care and I hope that helps a bit.

And by the way contacting these devs is not that easy. I've already tried, they don't really care.

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Re: NVDA has Acquired a new, and somewhat annoying Feature

David Csercsics
 

I'd assume the 64-bit Thunderbird would be supported, because you can get the 68.6 builds from the download page. True it's not the default option, but it works here. I don't know about the alpha build though. I expect they wouldn't test that much with stable NVDA.
Re: NVDA has Acquired a new, and somewhat annoying Feature

Governor staten
 

This is true. I might roll back and see how it goes.




On 4/1/2020 9:05 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
One should never, and I mean never, expect that beta versions of any software are going to be completely bug free, and all the more so if one thing (Thunderbird, in this case) is a beta that's significantly in advance of the stable software (NVDA, in this case) it's being used with.

Reports of these issues are very valuable, but you really can't expect that anyone will devote a lot of time to them until the release candidate stage is reached unless it happens to be convenient.  Definitely give the feedback to the folks at Mozilla just like you did here.
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Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 
Re: NVDA has Acquired a new, and somewhat annoying Feature

Brian Vogel
 

One should never, and I mean never, expect that beta versions of any software are going to be completely bug free, and all the more so if one thing (Thunderbird, in this case) is a beta that's significantly in advance of the stable software (NVDA, in this case) it's being used with.

Reports of these issues are very valuable, but you really can't expect that anyone will devote a lot of time to them until the release candidate stage is reached unless it happens to be convenient.  Definitely give the feedback to the folks at Mozilla just like you did here.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 
Re: Does nvda work with Microsoft teams?

Kerryn Gunness
 


thanks maan
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does nvda work with Microsoft teams?

Hi Kerryn,

Here is Microsoft's page with their shortcuts for Teams:


Kind regards

Quentin. 

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 11:11 PM Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote:
can u share the short cut keys?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Vincent van Itallie" <vincent@...>
To: <nvda@...>
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Does nvda work with Microsoft teams?


> It works,
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> I use it all the time with NVDA.
>
>
> Teams has a handy list of keyboardshortcut keys just try and see where
> you find opstacles, akross trying.
>
>
> On 4/1/2020 6:16 AM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
>> hi guys
>>
>>
>> I do not use the above program for work etc but have been asked by a
>> adaptive tech person how well NVDA works with this program.
>>
>>
>> Has any one used it on this list? Does it work well with nvda is there
>> any qwerks?
>>
>>
>> Any feed back would be good to feed back to them.
>>
>>
>> Gene nz
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Re: Windows10Mail i selection view? To say Selected or Unselected before anything else?

Gerardo Corripio
 

Using the Windows10 native Mail app, put yourselves into Selection View, and space to select or unselect an Email, right? I’d like for NVDA tell you before anything else (subject and other info) when an Email is selected and unselected, while arrowing up or down through the Emails within the Selection View. That way, I could remind myself which Emails have been selected, and in case I think twice about having selected one, I could unselect it. Make sense?

 

                                                                                              Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

De: Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Enviado: miércoles, 1 de abril de 2020 06:46 p. m.
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] Windows10Mail i selection view? To say Selected or Unselected before anything else?

 

i am confused. Why would an email be selected if your cursor was not on it/

******

If we don't take time to think before we speak we may find ourselves in a

situation where our speech becomes a bit stinky!

----- Original Message -----

From: "Gerardo Corripio" <gera1027@...>

To: "NVDA English EMail List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 5:27 AM

Subject: [nvda] Windows10Mail i selection view? To say Selected or

Unselected before anything else?

 

 

who would need to Intigrate code, so that while in the Windows10 Mail app,

in Selection view, when arrowing up and down through EMails, I’d know if a

message is selected or unselected, before speaking anything else like the

subject etc? I know that not everyone Would be happy with this option as

default, thus maybe a toggle would be useful, it if if it were to be

implemented someday? The selected/unselected status at the beginning of the

speech stream, for me at least, would make it more efficient to go through

mails while in Selection view.

 

Gera

Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

 

 

 

 

 

 
Re: Windows10Mail i selection view? To say Selected or Unselected before anything else?

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

i am confused. Why would an email be selected if your cursor was not on it/
******
If we don't take time to think before we speak we may find ourselves in a situation where our speech becomes a bit stinky!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerardo Corripio" <gera1027@gmail.com>
To: "NVDA English EMail List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 5:27 AM
Subject: [nvda] Windows10Mail i selection view? To say Selected or Unselected before anything else?


who would need to Intigrate code, so that while in the Windows10 Mail app, in Selection view, when arrowing up and down through EMails, I’d know if a message is selected or unselected, before speaking anything else like the subject etc? I know that not everyone Would be happy with this option as default, thus maybe a toggle would be useful, it if if it were to be implemented someday? The selected/unselected status at the beginning of the speech stream, for me at least, would make it more efficient to go through mails while in Selection view.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel
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