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Re: How accessible is Zoom with NVDA?

Scott Salzman
 

I've not experienced Zoom freezing, though I should note that I only use screen readers for testing, and not for routine use.  That said, I've spent a good bit of time using Zoom with NVDA and JAWS over the past week or so, and I've taken to exclusively using the Zoom keyboard commands, because they're so much easier and faster than using a mouse and hunting for the controls.

 

As far as the issue of it being difficult to tell which Zoom window is the one with your session, whenever I use Control+Alt+Shift, that always brings me back to the Zoom window with the session, and the Zoom controls.  You might consider using Alt+Tab to switch between Zoom and other applications, and then use Control+Alt+Shift whenever you want to switch back to Zoom.  It should guarantee both a single keyboard command, and getting to the correct Zoom window.

 

Scott

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matthew Whitaker via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 1:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How accessible is Zoom with NVDA?

 

So I tried everything… it seems that Zoom keeps freezing. I also hear when I’m switching between different windows with Alt Tab, there are two windows of Zoom open when in a meeting. I think it’s the Zoom application and the meeting controls… but I can’t tell, since I’m having issues navigating. I did enable always show meeting controls in the accessibility settings.

 

 

 

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From: Matthew Whitaker via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 11:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How accessible is Zoom with NVDA?

 

Thank you so much. I’ll be sure to try out your suggestions. I’ll let you know how everything goes.

 

 

 

 

 


Re: How accessible is Zoom with NVDA?

Matthew Whitaker
 

So I tried everything… it seems that Zoom keeps freezing. I also hear when I’m switching between different windows with Alt Tab, there are two windows of Zoom open when in a meeting. I think it’s the Zoom application and the meeting controls… but I can’t tell, since I’m having issues navigating. I did enable always show meeting controls in the accessibility settings.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Matthew Whitaker via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 11:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How accessible is Zoom with NVDA?

 

Thank you so much. I’ll be sure to try out your suggestions. I’ll let you know how everything goes.

 

 

 

 

 


Re: How accessible is Zoom with NVDA?

Matthew Whitaker
 

Thank you so much. I’ll be sure to try out your suggestions. I’ll let you know how everything goes.


Re: How accessible is Zoom with NVDA?

Scott Salzman
 

Hi Matthew,

 

If I'm understanding your question correctly, you might want to try using the Zoom keyboard command Control+Alt+Shift, which will move focus to zoom's meeting controls.  It will do this, even if your focus was in another application.

 

Pressing the Alt key, by itself, will toggle the display or hiding of the Zoom controls.  If they're hidden, you won't be able to tab to them.  There's a better way to handle the persistent display of the Zoom controls, via an Accessibility setting in the Zoom application.  To get there, you can tab to the "Audio Settings button" and press Enter.  Then use the Down Arrow key to get to the "Audio Settings" option.  Press Enter.  That was just a way to get into the overall Zoom settings menu.  Now, use the Tab key to move through the Audio settings, until you get to the last one (Sync buttons), then press Tab once more and you should hear NVDA say "List audio selected".  Now use the Down Arrow key to get to Accessibility settings.  Press Enter.  Press Tab to move through the Accessibility settings, until you hear the option "Always show meeting controls".  If you enable this option, you shouldn't lose focus of the Zoom controls, as long as you have focus in the Zoom application, and using Control+Alt+Shift will always get you back there.

 

Also, have you seen the Zoom keyboard shortcuts?  That page should automatically open to the section for Windows shortcuts (it will take a few seconds to that, after the page loads).

 

Hope this was helpful.

 

Scott

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Matthew Whitaker via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 11:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How accessible is Zoom with NVDA?

 

Moderator Note:  Welcome Matthew.   I have integrated your query with a recent topic:  How accessible is Zoom with NVDA?
It would be worth reviewing what's been previously discussed in it.

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Hello. Does anyone here know how to navigate the Zoom interface with NVDA when in the meeting? I always seem to loose focus with NVDA and I can't navigate at time's with the tab key. In fact, other screen reader's I use are having the same issue. Could there be an addon for NVDA? I have the latest version of the screen reader. 


Thank you 


Re: How accessible is Zoom with NVDA?

Matthew Whitaker
 

Ok thanks 


Re: How accessible is Zoom with NVDA?

 

You might also want to download a copy of Jonathan Mosen's audiobook, Meet Me Accessibly – A Guide to Zoom Cloud Meetings from a Blindness Perspective.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


How accessible is Zoom with NVDA?

Matthew Whitaker
 

Moderator Note:  Welcome Matthew.   I have integrated your query with a recent topic:  How accessible is Zoom with NVDA?
It would be worth reviewing what's been previously discussed in it.

-----

Hello. Does anyone here know how to navigate the Zoom interface with NVDA when in the meeting? I always seem to loose focus with NVDA and I can't navigate at time's with the tab key. In fact, other screen reader's I use are having the same issue. Could there be an addon for NVDA? I have the latest version of the screen reader. 


Thank you 



Re: most accessible audio recording software with nvda

Damien Garwood
 

Hi there,
Personally, I use GoldWave, which is an audio editor as well as recorder, converter, and CD ripper. It is accessible and even has an NVDA add-on, and is relatively cheap.
If you're looking for something free, then CDex is relatively decent, though beware the adware! Best to download the portable version, even though it is older.
CDex is primarily a CD ripper, but with file conversion and recording capabilities as well.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 02/04/2020 02:28 pm, Jonathan Nadeau wrote:
Greetings list,
Please excuse if this isn't the correct list for this question. Using nvda what is the most accessible audio recording software? If anyone could aim me in the right direction I would greatly appreciate it. I hope everyone is staying safe.


Re: most accessible audio recording software with nvda

Gene
 

There are a number of accessible recording programs.  The first question is how you want to use it.  If you just want to record and edit mp3 files, MP3 Direct Cut is the program to use.  For other purposes, other programs can be discussed.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] most accessible audio recording software with nvda
 

The Voice Recorder app that comes with Windows is very accessible but it only records in the M4A format.


Dan Beaver

On 4/2/2020 9:28 AM, Jonathan Nadeau wrote:
Greetings list,


Please excuse if this isn't the correct list for this question. Using nvda what is the most accessible audio recording software? If anyone could aim me in the right direction I would greatly appreciate it. I hope everyone is staying safe.




-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: most accessible audio recording software with nvda

Dan Beaver
 

The Voice Recorder app that comes with Windows is very accessible but it only records in the M4A format.


Dan Beaver

On 4/2/2020 9:28 AM, Jonathan Nadeau wrote:
Greetings list,


Please excuse if this isn't the correct list for this question. Using nvda what is the most accessible audio recording software? If anyone could aim me in the right direction I would greatly appreciate it. I hope everyone is staying safe.




-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: Does nvda work with Microsoft teams?

 

Welcome Eilana.  I have integrated your question into a currently active topic:  Does nvda work with Microsoft teams? 

Activate that link to review what has been discussed already over the last day.  This message, by member Pramit, with a tutorial might be of particular interest.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Does nvda work with Microsoft teams?

Eilana Benish
 

hello everybody

I have installed today Microsoft team app For Windows ten 64 bit

I am working with NVDA 2019.3.1  with vocalizer Expressive addons for NVDA with English and Hebrew voices

the problem I have with Microsoft teams is that when moving between different programs ,and then returning to Microsoft teams app I no longer hear NVDA speech on the Microsoft teems app. NVDA keeps speaking  on windows in all of the programs I use to work with but not on Microsoft teems app. I can see the focus moves between the different elements of the program but no speech .by the way this is happens also with JAWS 2019. Only if I restart my computer and then restart NVDA and then open the Microsoft Teams app ,NVDA works with speech on the app .

Also I have tried to change TTS to the windows one core voice and two other voices  - and the issue still happening.


most accessible audio recording software with nvda

Jonathan Nadeau
 

Greetings list,


Please excuse if this isn't the correct list for this question. Using nvda what is the most accessible audio recording software? If anyone could aim me in the right direction I would greatly appreciate it. I hope everyone is staying safe.


Re: expanding links that won't expand

Jonathan COHN
 

So this shows the web developer knows just enough ARIA to get them in trouble. The first rule of ARIA is don't use ARIA if you don't need to.


Re: NVDA has Acquired a new, and somewhat annoying Feature

Brian Moore
 

HI.  already done. I agree completely. this is part of the bargain when running beta stuff.


On 4/2/2020 12:37 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 12:24 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
just use the stable version like I do.
Or, if you decide you want to be on a beta channel, hold up your end of the bargain:  report bugs.

While it's fine to try out beta software and ditch it if it doesn't work (yet), if something as critical as what has been described here occurs, it's up to you (any you) to file a bug report about it.  Many bugs these days for pre-release software aren't found by in-house testing groups, but are found by the huge numbers of people who signed up to be on any one of a number of pre-release channels for a given piece of software.  A good example of where there are multiple pre-release channels for a piece of software is the new Edge, that has three:  Canary (updated nightly), Dev (updated weeekly), and Beta (updated every six weeks).

If folks using screen readers aren't willing to report accessibility issues when they are using beta software, then who do you think should be?  You are far more likely to run into those issues, and instantly recognize them, than any sighted developer (or end user) is.  For heaven's sake, take the initiative to identify accessibility issues to development teams when you find them, using the appropriate channel to do that.  And if you don't now what that is, ask, or even better, try a web search on "bug report {insert program here}," and then ask if you don't find a useful result in the first 10 results.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: New add-on, frequentText

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!


Here, it did works alriiight...

Try this one from my DropBox:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3xw6vot6whdrygo/frequentText-1.0.nvda-addon?dl=1


Best regards,


Rui Fontes



Às 04:09 de 02/04/2020, Jeff Samco escreveu:

I need help knowing how to download the add-on file to then install into NVDA. I am clickking on the link in the email that seems to be associated  with the  "download  stable version" but I don't get an actual webpage to load.
Thanks,
Jeff

At 10:37 AM 3/30/2020, you wrote:

Hello!


We present a new add-on...


Frequent text
Informations
• Authors: Rui Fontes and Ângelo Abrantes, based on work of Marcos António de Oliveira
• Updated in 27/03/2020
• Download stable version
Compatibility: NVDA version 2019.3 and posteriors
Presentation
This add-on provides a way to quickly insert blocks of text you type frequently in documents you write.
Usage
To start using this add-on you will need to fill the blocks of text you want to use. For that, first press Windows+f12. It will be displayed a dialog where you can press Tab to access the "Add" button. Activate it to create a new block. In the first dialog, type the name of the block and press Enter or activate the "Ok" button. It will present a dialog to type the block of text. Enter the lines you want, and when done, press Tab and activate the "Ok" button.
To paste the block of text in an edit field, just select the block and press Enter.
In the add-on dialog box you also can rename, change the contents or delete the block of text.


Best regards,


Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team


Re: Windows Training for free, for anyone who is looking for something to do during this time.

Martin O'Sullivan
 

Cathy's meeting was Zoombombed last night,  That is to say Troals attended the meeting and disrupted it   All the new meetings will have a password.

To get the password, you need to contact Cathy 

 

There is more information here. http://www.blind.training/lunch-break-windows-10-training-course/




Re: Does nvda work with Microsoft teams?

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi Pramit and others who replied



Thank you very much for getting back to me about Microsoft teams and also confirming how accessible it is. the information and links etc have been passed on.


Gene nz


On 2/04/2020 3:35 pm, Pramit wrote:
Hi Gene,

Microsoft Teams is completely accessible with NVDA. 
Have used it on my Windows computer and haven't found any difficulty with it.
Sharing some links from Microsoft Support and will be of help to anyone using Microsoft Teams


The above link has all the information together at one place including setup and functionality, including the Microsoft Teams app download link.

Hope this helps

Pramit




On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 9:47 AM hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
hi guys


I do not use the above program for work etc but have been asked by a
adaptive tech person how well NVDA works with this program.


Has any one used it on this list? Does it work well with nvda is there
any qwerks?


Any feed back would be good to feed back to them.


Gene nz






Re: NVDA has Acquired a new, and somewhat annoying Feature

 

Hello all,

Managed to contact a Thunderbird engineer via Twitter. To help figuring out what’s going with recent TB beta releases, this engineer graciously posted archive links for TB betas (use it at your own risk, especially if you wish to report issues to Thunderbird developers in tracking down performance issues):

You must choose the installer that is designed for your processor/platform (win32 or win64; for sake of ese of testing, try win32).

For each beta release, please do as exactly as I say below:

  1. Install each beta, beginning with 74 beta 2.
  2. Use Thunderbird as usual.
  3. Note down issues such as sluggishness or extra chatter.
  4. If you don’t experience issues, install the next (newer) beta.
  5. Repeat steps 2 through 4 until you do come across issues.
  6. Should you experience issues, report to the list immediately so Thunderbird developers can be notified. Be sure to note down exactly what issues you are having and in which Thunderbird beta version you are experiencing these issues.

 

There is a tool called Mozregression that allows developers to pinpoint exactly which change introduced a bug (NVDA developers can also do this through a tool called “git bisect”). But since not many of you are experienced in this sort of thing, the steps I listed above is the next best thing we have.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Governor staten
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 10:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA has Acquired a new, and somewhat annoying Feature

 

68.6 is great. It does what I need it to do. No annoying issues.

 

I need to check out web interfaces for mail. I never have done much with that.

 

 


 

On 4/2/2020 1:23 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Well to be hhonest if it gets that bad you can always get the older 52x release which is not ever going to aparently get updated.

 

 

On 2/04/2020 6:02 pm, Governor staten wrote:

If you revert back, you have to create a new profile. I did it. I have more email accounts to set up. You have to reset all of your settings. I will be sticking with the "release" version of this program, or go to something else in the future.

 

 


 

On 4/1/2020 11:50 PM, Betsy Grenevitch wrote:

I do not know how to revert back and if I do will all of my emails stay in tact?

 

Thanks so much for your help.

 

On 4/1/2020 11:29 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi Betsy and all,

I see.

If I understand you correctly, NVDA somehow does not read next messages automatically when you delete the current message in Thunderbird, and you say this problem began when you updated add-ons and/or Thunderbird. To really figure out if it is Thunderbird, can you try reverting (going back) to latest public version of Thunderbird? If that resolves the problem, I think a love call to Mozilla would be in order (i.e. reporting the problem in hopes of Mozilla understanding and resolving it). Also, given that some folks did report a similar problem, I hope others can chime in with their findings with the steps I wrote earlier.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Betsy Grenevitch
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 8:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA has Acquired a new, and somewhat annoying Feature

 

I assume I have the latest version of thunderbird. It seemed to start acting up about the same time I updated Thunderbird and also did some add-on updates with NVDA but I do not recall what they are.

 

It took me over half an hour even to get in the program tonight when I had shut it down--Thunderbird.

 

I wish I could figure out how to describe what is going one. One thing is when you delete an email it starts saying different letters like it is trying to tell you what is going on. I also can no longer go from one email to the next and have it read smoothly like I used to be able to do by just pushing the delete on the numpad and it going right to the next email. I now have to push insert and then down arrow--not numpad keys for it to stop saying all of those different letters. It is really hard to describe. It was running so smoothly.

 

I wonder if it is because I am running a beta version as I was willing to be a tester for them? I did not think of that earlier.

 

 

On 4/1/2020 8:34 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Is there something new in the Thunderbird betas perhaps?  I just tried with alpha-19867,54f1b727 on Thunderbird 68.6.0 32-bit (the latest regular version?) and it read as normal, so it looks like it's something changed in Thunderbird, and might be worth contacting Mozilla perhaps?  Does it do the same thing if you use NVDA 2019.3.1?  I didn't notice a difference in Thunderbird 68.6, but if you could provide exact steps to repeat and exactly what superfluous information is being read I can double check.


Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 1:31 AM Betsy Grenevitch <blindangel61@...> wrote:

I am having the same problem and it definitely interrupts the reading of
email.



On 3/31/2020 5:17 PM, Governor staten wrote:
> Hello, everyone. I'm using Thunderbird 75 beta 2 64 bit with the
> latest NVDA Alpha. As of a few days ago, the reading of certain
> processes in Thunderbird is being done. However, it is way too
> verbose. Sometimes it reads pieces of text and letters. I wish I knew
> what this was and how to modify it, or turn it off.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876


 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

-- 
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876
-- 
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876


Re: NVDA has Acquired a new, and somewhat annoying Feature

 

68.6 is great. It does what I need it to do. No annoying issues.


I need to check out web interfaces for mail. I never have done much with that.





On 4/2/2020 1:23 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Well to be hhonest if it gets that bad you can always get the older 52x release which is not ever going to aparently get updated.



On 2/04/2020 6:02 pm, Governor staten wrote:

If you revert back, you have to create a new profile. I did it. I have more email accounts to set up. You have to reset all of your settings. I will be sticking with the "release" version of this program, or go to something else in the future.





On 4/1/2020 11:50 PM, Betsy Grenevitch wrote:

I do not know how to revert back and if I do will all of my emails stay in tact?


Thanks so much for your help.


On 4/1/2020 11:29 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi Betsy and all,

I see.

If I understand you correctly, NVDA somehow does not read next messages automatically when you delete the current message in Thunderbird, and you say this problem began when you updated add-ons and/or Thunderbird. To really figure out if it is Thunderbird, can you try reverting (going back) to latest public version of Thunderbird? If that resolves the problem, I think a love call to Mozilla would be in order (i.e. reporting the problem in hopes of Mozilla understanding and resolving it). Also, given that some folks did report a similar problem, I hope others can chime in with their findings with the steps I wrote earlier.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Betsy Grenevitch
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2020 8:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA has Acquired a new, and somewhat annoying Feature

 

I assume I have the latest version of thunderbird. It seemed to start acting up about the same time I updated Thunderbird and also did some add-on updates with NVDA but I do not recall what they are.

 

It took me over half an hour even to get in the program tonight when I had shut it down--Thunderbird.

 

I wish I could figure out how to describe what is going one. One thing is when you delete an email it starts saying different letters like it is trying to tell you what is going on. I also can no longer go from one email to the next and have it read smoothly like I used to be able to do by just pushing the delete on the numpad and it going right to the next email. I now have to push insert and then down arrow--not numpad keys for it to stop saying all of those different letters. It is really hard to describe. It was running so smoothly.

 

I wonder if it is because I am running a beta version as I was willing to be a tester for them? I did not think of that earlier.

 

 

On 4/1/2020 8:34 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Is there something new in the Thunderbird betas perhaps?  I just tried with alpha-19867,54f1b727 on Thunderbird 68.6.0 32-bit (the latest regular version?) and it read as normal, so it looks like it's something changed in Thunderbird, and might be worth contacting Mozilla perhaps?  Does it do the same thing if you use NVDA 2019.3.1?  I didn't notice a difference in Thunderbird 68.6, but if you could provide exact steps to repeat and exactly what superfluous information is being read I can double check.


Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 1:31 AM Betsy Grenevitch <blindangel61@...> wrote:

I am having the same problem and it definitely interrupts the reading of
email.



On 3/31/2020 5:17 PM, Governor staten wrote:
> Hello, everyone. I'm using Thunderbird 75 beta 2 64 bit with the
> latest NVDA Alpha. As of a few days ago, the reading of certain
> processes in Thunderbird is being done. However, it is way too
> verbose. Sometimes it reads pieces of text and letters. I wish I knew
> what this was and how to modify it, or turn it off.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876




 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

-- 
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876
-- 
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876