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Re: google chrome version 81
Cordelia Scharpf
OK, I could live with this until I find something more readily accessible and compatible with screen readers. Thanks a lot for your caution, Brian, and for pointing out that it can actually read a number of languages, something I do need for work.
Cordelia
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Cordelia, Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it. ~ Madonna
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Re: google chrome version 81
Cordelia,
The message in which I posted that tutorial dates from January 2018, and the actual content was written well before that, as I got in to the whole OCR processing with saving the text layer for PDFs for two of my clients who were graduate students at the time and were constantly getting old image scanned PDFs of articles that had no text layer associated with them, just the image. PDF-Xchange Viewer is discontinued software, according to Tracker Software, but it is still available for download and there have been patches since it went to discontinued status. It is actually my preferred PDF viewer and it's what I use, but I can't recommend it for general use for screen reader users because it is nowhere near to accessible overall. It's OCR function, however, is, and it works beautifully. When you add in that you can download somewhere around 20 different languages in addition to English for OCR-ing it really can't be beat. I had a client once whose first language is Swedish and that was one of the languages in the language add-on collection. The download page for PDF-XChange Viewer and several other archived discontinued products is: https://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads/discontinued The date on the last stable version of the software is December 16, 2018. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it. ~ Madonna
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Re: google chrome version 81
Cordelia Scharpf
Brian,
Thank you for this tutorial. I will try this software as I often get seemingly blank PDFs to read. Might you recall, by chance, when you wrote this tutorial and whether the software has been updated since?
Cordelia
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 03:43 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote: A properly designed pdf should just work. And something created as PDF from the get go generally will. A huge number of commercial documents are generated initially as PDFs, not much unlike one uses Word, and when the document is text-based to begin with, it reads. Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it. ~ Madonna
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Re: NVDA Audio Themes Add On
Documentation for the add-ons (or at least most of them) comes packaged with and can be accessed via the NVDA main menu.
NVDA+N,H,D (NVDA Main, Help, Run Add-ons Documentation) after pressing which you will be presented with a list of your installed add-ons for which a documentation package was included. Since the GitHub page for that add-on mentions updating the documentation as part of this latest version, the Audio Themes add-on should be somewhere in that list. I can't know where as I can't know what add-ons any given person might be using. Navigate to it, hit Enter, and the documentation will open in the web browser you have set as default on your system for your reading pleasure. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it. ~ Madonna
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A Public Apology to Shaun Everiss Plus Bugzilla vs. GitHub
I want to apologize to Shaun, as I have been made aware that Bugzilla now will allow you to log in using your GitHub credentials. That was not formerly the case, but like many interfaces that have begun doing stuff like "log in with Google," or "log in with Facebook," it appears that Bugzilla will allow you to log in using GitHub credentials. This apology is sincere. I based my comments on what had been longstanding practice for years, as well as what I saw on both bug reports, where Shaun is identified by a slightly different user name. Still, not knowing how Bugzilla might handle user name extraction, I cannot know what credentials were used to log in and it is entirely possible he used his GitHub account credentials to access Bugzilla.
It is critical to recognize that Bugzilla and GitHub are two entirely separate bug reporting systems, each of which is used by different software developers. There are also other project management systems out there besides those two. With NVDA being on GitHub it gets discussed quite a bit more here off and on. No matter what piece of software you might be wanting to file an issue or bug report, or even a formal feature request, for you must determine where it is to be reported. I would never want to discourage anyone from "getting into the act" of doing bug/issue reporting and, again, thank Shaun Everiss for having taken the time and effort to have filed this one. We'd never have seen as rapid a response and fix had that not been done. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it. ~ Madonna
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Re: google chrome version 81
On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 03:43 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
A properly designed pdf should just work.And something created as PDF from the get go generally will. A huge number of commercial documents are generated initially as PDFs, not much unlike one uses Word, and when the document is text-based to begin with, it reads. The problem is, and you identified it, is that there are millions upon millions of image scanned PDFs that were created as such before the age of OCR being an automatic part of that process. Unless you (and it's generally the individual you) run OCR processing on them they won't be accessible regardless of what is being used in an attempt to read them. This is what it is, and in the case of image PDFs that are images of text, running OCR processing generally resolves the problem if the original image is even just decent. But you've hit the nail on the head in that something generated as a PDF from scratch, that is, designed from the ground up in PDF format, is an entirely different animal than an old image scanned PDF. Given how long electronic documents circulate in their original forms it's likely that image scanned PDFs, and the need to post-process them with OCR when the image is an image of things like a magazine article, letter, book page, or the like will be with us long past the time I'll be dead. I wrote a brief tutorial on a specific piece of software I like for doing this because its OCR is really, really good and you can save the text layer it generates along with the file so it's there when you need to open it again in the future or send it along to someone else. https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/33512 -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it. ~ Madonna
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Re: check boxes dont' work in sim tool kit pro
mohammad suliman
Hello Sarah, I am not familiar with the app you're asking about, however I'll suggest to do the following:
I am interested to see if the error is the one I already seen with Electron apps recently. If not, let's hope I or someone else could identify the reason behind the problem. Good luck! Mohammad
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 at 23:06, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
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Re: google chrome version 81
mohammad suliman
Hello guys, Yes, I agree, I think Google is making nice work in the accessibility field, but one always asks for better and better, especially that there are companies who manage to provide that level of accessibility we are hoping for. I think that PDF documents can be accessible as other file formats. When I started to use computers with a screen readers, I got the impression that PDF documents aren't accessible, not sure where this idea came from. However, gradually I started to realize that you can read PDFs with a screen reader, I have came to know that by accident in fact. From that moment on, I have became more and more reliant on PDF files for my study and work. Recently, I also was told by a friend of mine who works as an accessibility tester that PDFs can be used exactly as HTML forms to fill out data accessibly of course, which was kind of surprise for me. What I am trying to say that PDF creators have the means to create accessible documents which are very friendly to use, but maybe rules and laws need to make sure this happens. Let's hope for a better times with PDF accessibility! best! Mohammad
On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 at 10:43, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote: The problem is that pdf is more than a file.
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Re: NVDA Audio Themes Add On
bhanu computer
and i want some docmentation of this addon can any one send me the link of documentation?
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Re: Time Zoner addon for NVDA
Eilana Benish
OK, now
it works Thanks for the Clarification
ובכבוד רב | Sincerely, אילנה בניש מורשה נגישות שירות 2200 | Eilana Benish, service Accessibility authorized (2200) 📱 +972-50-7100367 | 📧 benish.ilana@... נכתב על ידי Vlad Dragomir, ב־11/04/2020
בשעה 10:47:
Hello, I think you need to press the shortcut twice rapidly in order to have the second time zone, three times to have the third, and so on. At least that's how it works on my machine. I hope this will help you a bit. Best regards, Vlad.
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Re: Time Zoner addon for NVDA
Vlad Dragomir
Hello,
I think you need to press the shortcut twice rapidly in order to have the second time zone, three times to have the third, and so on. At least that's how it works on my machine. I hope this will help you a bit. Best regards, Vlad.
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Time Zoner addon for NVDA
Eilana Benish
Hello everyone has anybody tried to work with Time Zonerthe addon for NVDA? https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/timeZoner.en.html · My default time zone is recognized and when pressing NVDA+Alt+T the time zone is announced · To add more time zones , I am pressing the Configure Timezone Ring from the settings and Choose from the list the time zone I want to add so that when pressing NVDA + Alt + T, NVDA will read all the time zones I have added · but something goes wrong .after I am selecting and pressing one of the time zones and then saving the configurations still NVDA don't read the added time zones so, I am trying to understand if there is anything I am missing, or the problem is in the add on which is in developer stage right now Great addon! This is a great idea 4 dealing with the time zones issues from third party services and can be very helpful for screen reader users
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ובכבוד רב | Sincerely, אילנה בניש מורשה נגישות שירות 2200 | Eilana Benish, service Accessibility authorized (2200) 📱 +972-50-7100367 | 📧 benish.ilana@...
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Re: google chrome version 81
The problem is that pdf is more than a file.
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Its an image format, a archive, a document. A lot of manuals come in it. At home we save archives of photos and scanned images in it. Many scanners and such use it as it is a commen format. So its not going away any time soon. A properly designed pdf should just work. But if it doesn't you can use something like codex to convert any pdf into something that can be used freely. Now it would be nice if all manuals and stuff the blind need to read from books to everything else were in actual html code. Pdfs are like a zip file for images and documents. Now what needs to happen is that if a pdf is supposed to be for us blind people to read there needs to be something that stops it being compiled if its not accessible. But there are pdf documents that we don't need to read as such. As I said a lot of scanners and such use pdf generally. Right now adobe controls all this pdf cloud and other things. I do think there needs to be something for us users to edit, and view pdfs, handle forms etc and make things accessible and working. Most of the time I am converting a pdf into something else though an accessibly done pdf can be read and its fine. To be honest if pdfs did go, it would be back to image files. The good news is that a lot of pdfs for a lot of things like manuals and the like were created from word documents. As for flash, it and shockwave are being replaced by air. The fact shockwave is gone on the web doesn't mean its gone. Still a lot of people write in it and standalone shockwave and flash are used. And web is not fully accessible at all times either. It would be nice to just kill all custom controls and interfaces but no one would like that. Flash is dieing because of security and the fact adobe can't be bothered maintaining it now html5 can cover its functions. Pdfs well the tools are out there, but people have to use all of them.
On 11/04/2020 7:29 pm, Felix G. wrote:
Hi,
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Re: google chrome version 81
Felix G.
Hi,
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of course the world's most used web engine should be rock solid in terms of accessibility. Thankfully, most of the time it actually is. We are closer to the golden age of the accessible web than ever before, which is the primary reason why the occasional glitch manages to stand out so much. Now that Flash is practically dead and in the process of being buried, the next thing I'd love to see dead is the tangled mess of half-open pseudo-standards we have come to know as pdf. Either trash it, or revise it such that it simply fails validation if it's not accessible. Best, Felix Am Fr., 10. Apr. 2020 um 12:48 Uhr schrieb mohammad suliman <Mohmad.s93@gmail.com>:
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Re: Speak password nvda add-on can't be install
Tyaseta Rabita Nugraeni Sardjono <tyasetarabita@...>
Already got my answer not in input gesture. Password already announce well. Thanks for your help. Appreciate it
On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 10:17 Tyaseta Rabita Nugraeni Sardjono via groups.io <tyasetarabita=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Additional info about NVDA speaking stuff in Thunderbird when Thunderbird does not have focus
Mary Otten
Thanks, Brian. I’m just not technically savvy enough to know what is extra, or what is already understood in the initial report about the status bar etc. So thank you.
On Apr 10, 2020, at 8:53 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
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Re: Additional info about NVDA speaking stuff in Thunderbird when Thunderbird does not have focus
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 11:37 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
I can attest to the fact that if Thunderbird does not have focus, it will still tell you when messages are being downloaded. This is with the status bar not checked.Mary, that had not been mentioned specifically. I just went in to the Thunderbird Bug that Shaun Everiss filed in Bugzilla, and added the following, based on your input: Even when the Thunderbird window does not have active focus, the status bar has been disabled, and NVDA is on, NVDA is still reporting when messages are being downloaded, which was not occurring in the past.
I do not know whether the ARIA fix for the status bar is related to this, but wanted to note the behavior for developers.
-- Additional details about what Thunderbird is speaking, and shouldn't be speaking or didn't speak before, other than what has been identified already is valuable information. If others have information like this it's fine to offer it here and, if you can and have Bugzilla account, append a comment to the previously noted bug. It's information the developers need. Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it. ~ Madonna
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Additional info about NVDA speaking stuff in Thunderbird when Thunderbird does not have focus
Mary Otten
When the topic of Thunderbird speaking too much came up, someone was wondering about whether it would do that if the Thunderbird window did not have focus. I can attest to the fact that if Thunderbird does not have focus, it will still tell you when messages are being downloaded. This is with the status bar not checked. I have no idea if that eventuality is covered by what has been talked about regarding the area role. I’m just putting it here in case it’s important, and if not, if it’s already been covered, I’m sorry.
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Re: Reading messages list in Mozilla Thunderbird
Marie,
Here are the Thunderbird Columns, as currently ordered on my machine, and they are not in the default order, along with whether they are ON (displayed) or OFF (hidden): Read ON
Thread ON
Starred ON
Attachment ON
From ON (AKA Sender)
Subject ON - and not able to be turned off
Recipient OFF (AKA To)
Correspondents ON
Junk Status OFF
Received OFF (Date Received)
Date ON (Date Sent, most often this and Received are the same)
All of the columns after Date are OFF
Status
Size
Tag
Account
Priority
Unread
Total
Location
Order Received
When you have opened Options, the above column list is followed by the controls:
Restore Column Order (to Thunderbird Default Order)
Apply Columns To (which I have never used, but it allows you to apply your settings above to other folders in Thunderbird)
Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it. ~ Madonna
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Re: Reading messages list in Mozilla Thunderbird
Marie <magpie.mn@...>
If I missed a further explanation on rearranging the message header, I apologize. I install the Mozilla add on but when I invoke the NVDA H, there is no listing for a sender? and it shows the subject as in the fourth position?
Marie
-- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it. ~ Madonna
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