your welcome. its my pleasure to help others.

God bless you all!

On 4/18/20, Cordelia Scharpf <CScharpf@...> wrote:

> Judith and Zahra: Thanks for your tips, which were indeed helpful. I will do

> my memorizing then (smile).

> 

> To anybody who might know: Please correct me if I am wrong. It looks as

> though Windows 10 does not offer an overall option that would

> display/announce keyboard shortcuts. I found this quite helpful running

> Windows 7 and a German screen reader, the latter is no longer being

> supported. Having the shortcuts displayed or announced right next to an

> option expedited memorizing. Users could  choose to turn it on or off. Might

> this be a useful toggle to be implemented in NVDA someday?

> 

> Best,

> Cordelia

> 

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra

> Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 12:49 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Mail program and NVDA

> 

> hi.

> i searched in google:

> how to use windows 10 mail?

> hear you are the link. hope that helps.

> https://www.windowscentral.com/how-get-started-mail-app-windows-10

> 

> On 4/18/20, Cordelia Scharpf <CScharpf@...> wrote:

>> Hi:

>> 

>> I am new to using Mail (Windows 10) and cannot seem to find  shortcuts to

>> quickly manage emails. Where do I find them, in settings or anywhere

>> else?

>> 

>> Furthermore, I wonder how to activate the context menu key. It doesn't do

>> anything whereas all other function keys work all right. I was hoping

>> that

>> by using the Context Menu key I could access a menu showing the shortcuts

>> relevant for Mail, for example.

>> 

>> Puzzled,

>> Cordelia

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> 

> 

> --

> By God,

> were I given all the seven heavens

> with all they contain

> in order that

> I may disobey God

> by depriving an ant

> from the husk of a grain of barley,

> I would not do it.

> imam ali

> 

> 

> 

> 

>

> 

> 

--

By God,

were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali

Judith and Zahra: Thanks for your tips, which were indeed helpful. I will do
my memorizing then (smile).

To anybody who might know: Please correct me if I am wrong. It looks as
though Windows 10 does not offer an overall option that would
display/announce keyboard shortcuts. I found this quite helpful running
Windows 7 and a German screen reader, the latter is no longer being
supported. Having the shortcuts displayed or announced right next to an
option expedited memorizing. Users could choose to turn it on or off. Might
this be a useful toggle to be implemented in NVDA someday?

Best,
Cordelia


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 12:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Mail program and NVDA

hi.
i searched in google:
how to use windows 10 mail?
hear you are the link. hope that helps.
https://www.windowscentral.com/how-get-started-mail-app-windows-10

On 4/18/20, Cordelia Scharpf <CScharpf@t-online.de> wrote:

Hi:

I am new to using Mail (Windows 10) and cannot seem to find shortcuts to
quickly manage emails. Where do I find them, in settings or anywhere
else?

Furthermore, I wonder how to activate the context menu key. It doesn't do
anything whereas all other function keys work all right. I was hoping
that
by using the Context Menu key I could access a menu showing the shortcuts
relevant for Mail, for example.

Puzzled,
Cordelia

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Hi:

I am new to using Mail (Windows 10) and cannot seem to find shortcuts to
quickly manage emails. Where do I find them, in settings or anywhere else?

Furthermore, I wonder how to activate the context menu key. It doesn't do
anything whereas all other function keys work all right. I was hoping that
by using the Context Menu key I could access a menu showing the shortcuts
relevant for Mail, for example.

Puzzled,
Cordelia

 

Hi all,

 

On a laptop keyboard, I am able to get the date by pressing NVDA F12 twice quickly.

 

On my Freedom Scientific Focus40 Blue, I can’t seem to do two presses quickly of NVDA+F12. The second press of F12 just sends an F12 through and I get the Save As dialog.

 

Any suggestions greatly appreciated.

 

Daniel

 

Hi:

I am new to using Mail (Windows 10) and cannot seem to find shortcuts to
quickly manage emails. Where do I find them, in settings or anywhere else?

Furthermore, I wonder how to activate the context menu key. It doesn't do
anything whereas all other function keys work all right. I was hoping that
by using the Context Menu key I could access a menu showing the shortcuts
relevant for Mail, for example.

Puzzled,
Cordelia

On Apr 18, 2020, at 3:13 AM, Cordelia Scharpf <CScharpf@t-online.de> wrote:

Hi:

I am new to using Mail (Windows 10) and cannot seem to find shortcuts to
quickly manage emails. Where do I find them, in settings or anywhere else?

Furthermore, I wonder how to activate the context menu key. It doesn't do
anything whereas all other function keys work all right. I was hoping that
by using the Context Menu key I could access a menu showing the shortcuts
relevant for Mail, for example.

Puzzled,
Cordelia

Hi Mary,

I think this also has to do with the extra chatter in the statusbar.
If I open a mail with the statusbar disabled, then NVDA will read the label of the link when I tab to it. If I enable the statusbar and tab to a link, then the URL is shown in the statusbar, and that is what's being read.
So I think that disabling the statusbar will solve your problem.
Note that, if messages are opened in a new window, it will not automatically use the same setting as for the main window of Thunderbird. Therefore you might have to adjust this setting for (1) the main window, (2) the window for reading messages, and (3) the window for composing messages.

Best,
Henk

Op 17/04/2020 om 17:16 schreef Mary Otten:

Hi all,


Until this most recent update to T-bird, the one that started the thread on all that extra chatter, it had been the case that if you opened a message and read it, or if you tabbed through the open message looking for links, those links which had English text associated with the url would announce the same way, i.e. the English text, not the http:// etc would be spoken by NVDA. Now, however, if I get a message and tab through to quickly find the link I know is there, all I get are the readouts of urls, which are not helpful at all. If I read through the message, I hear the actual English text, not the url, but that is inefficient as heck, since in a lot of instances, I know there are titles to stories, for instance in a newsletter, that I want to flip through, rather than listening to them all plus the blurbs after each one.


I hope this description makes sense. What can I do to get my tabbing to read the link label in English as it does when you read straight through, rather than read the html http:// stuff?


Mary

Hi all,


Until this most recent update to T-bird, the one that started the
thread on all that extra chatter, it had been the case that if you
opened a message and read it, or if you tabbed through the open
message looking for links, those links which had English text
associated with the url would announce the same way, i.e. the English
text, not the http:// etc would be spoken by NVDA. Now, however, if I
get a message and tab through to quickly find the link I know is
there, all I get are the readouts of urls, which are not helpful at
all. If I read through the message, I hear the actual English text,
not the url, but that is inefficient as heck, since in a lot of
instances, I know there are titles to stories, for instance in a
newsletter, that I want to flip through, rather than listening to them
all plus the blurbs after each one.


I hope this description makes sense. What can I do to get my tabbing
to read the link label in English as it does when you read straight
through, rather than read the html http:// stuff?


Mary

Neat, but I guess it sounds like I should wait for the October updates,

and possibly the new XBox with accessibility fixes. I'm guessing you use

one of the phone OCR apps? And then point it at the screen to read the

sim stuff? That would not really be doable here, as I don't habitually

have a monitor connected, which generally causes windows to be confused

about screen resolution, among other things.

Hey Gene,
There's another thought that crossed my mind as well, the utility that you're speaking of I seem to remember hearing or reading something about such a thing quite a few years back but have no idea if it's still in existence. I'll be ringing Microsoft sometime tomorrow, if I can't find this utility. Thanks for bringing that up.
Tony
On 4/16/2020 8:38 PM, Gene wrote:

I’m not at all sure reinstalling will accomplish anything.  There is a way to repair SAPI 5, which I don’t know if it will help.  If the voices work before login, it appears they don’t need reinstallation. I wonder if it is a registry problem.  While I don’t know, maybe the repair procedure or utility might correct that.  The voices clearly work.  They work on the login screen.  Here again, I don’t know but reinstalling SAPI voices might be something to do after running the repair.  Also, if you are going to fool around trying various things, I wonder if and how you would set the voice to something that isn’t SAPI 5 before login so that if trying things makes things worse, you will have speech on that screen.
I don’t know what was done to your computer, but I believe that even for something unrelated to software, if a computer is brought into a shop, routine diagnostic tests and maintenance may be done and I suspect something was done that caused the problems.  Those who have more technical knowledge and know what shops routinely do may want to comment.  In thinking about what you are describing and about a shop I used to use years ago, I’m beginning to think that if you take a computer in for a specific problem and it wrks properly aside from that, that it might be a good idea to instruct the shop to do nothing else.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Tony Ballou <mailto:cyberpro224@outlook.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 2:48 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] strange behavior with Microsoft sapi 5 voices and NVDA
Hi Jackie,


That's something I was thinking about possibly having to do, we're on
the same wavelength. Trust me I already as they say, googled it so we
don't even have to go there.  Needless to say, the hits were enormous,
and the answer is the proverbial needle in a haystack. Where can you
find the actual executable file for performing the re-install, that's
the question now.

Tony

On 4/16/2020 3:37 PM, Jackie wrote:

Tony, since this clearly affects more than just NVDA, let me suggest a
reinstall of your SAPI5 voices.

On 4/16/20, Tony Ballou <cyberpro224@outlook.com> wrote:

Hi Jackie,


I just had the power switch repaired, that was to my knowledge the only
hardware issue going on.  As far as the problem goes, it's with all of
the sapi 5 voices including Neospeech.  As for the log on screen,
suggestion, I checked that out, first, and it would work if the problem
was actually there.  The problem occurs after things get past the

log on

screen.


Tony

On 4/16/2020 3:16 PM, Jackie wrote:

Tony, what sort of hardware repairs were done on your machine? Is
there any possibility your activation for the Neospeech voices were
broken by that?

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How do you mean they were compramised I'm not really clear as to

what's

going on here.

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On 16 Apr 2020, at 10:42, Tony Ballou wrote:

Houdy folks,


Thanks for coming through for me over the weekend with my friend's
computer issue.  The fixes are in place, and everything is as it
should be on that score. Now I've got one of my own that's got me
baffled. Here's what's going down.


     I had some hardware repairs done on my desktop just before

we were

all thrown into chaos. Everything was fixed internally and all's

gravy

on that side of the ledger.  However, there is a strange thing going
on with Microsoft's Sapi 5 voices and NVDA that's got me

scratching my

head.  Please bare with me as I try to explain this because it's a
new one on me.


When I initially log on to enter my password, the proper voice

that I

use which is neospeech Paul comes on as it should. However, now this
is where things get dicey. Once past the log on screen the Sapi 5
voices loose all functionality, and I have to switch to the windows
one core voices for things to function in somewhat of a proper

manner.

I've tried all of the tricks that I know to put things right, but
nothing works.


I wouldn't normally put up a fuss about it, because I can use

the one

core voices just fine for most tasks. however, Some of the games
that I play to help keep me sane during this crazy time that we're
living in like chess, and cribbage also use the Microsoft Sapi 5
voices, and they've all been compromised as well. What's

happened, and

does anyone have a fix for this strange issue? Any help would be
appreciated.  Thanks much and everyone stay safe.


Tony

On Apr 17, 2020, at 11:24 AM, Henk Mulder <teakevw@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Mary,

I think this also has to do with the extra chatter in the statusbar.
If I open a mail with the statusbar disabled, then NVDA will read the label of the link when I tab to it. If I enable the statusbar and tab to a link, then the URL is shown in the statusbar, and that is what's being read.
So I think that disabling the statusbar will solve your problem.
Note that, if messages are opened in a new window, it will not automatically use the same setting as for the main window of Thunderbird. Therefore you might have to adjust this setting for (1) the main window, (2) the window for reading messages, and (3) the window for composing messages.

Best,
Henk

Op 17/04/2020 om 17:16 schreef Mary Otten:

Hi all,


Until this most recent update to T-bird, the one that started the thread on all that extra chatter, it had been the case that if you opened a message and read it, or if you tabbed through the open message looking for links, those links which had English text associated with the url would announce the same way, i.e. the English text, not the http:// etc would be spoken by NVDA. Now, however, if I get a message and tab through to quickly find the link I know is there, all I get are the readouts of urls, which are not helpful at all. If I read through the message, I hear the actual English text, not the url, but that is inefficient as heck, since in a lot of instances, I know there are titles to stories, for instance in a newsletter, that I want to flip through, rather than listening to them all plus the blurbs after each one.


I hope this description makes sense. What can I do to get my tabbing to read the link label in English as it does when you read straight through, rather than read the html http:// stuff?


Mary

On Apr 17, 2020, at 11:11 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Mary,

            I'm sorry to say that this sounds like a bug that has crept in, so you probably can't.  I would have to presume this is on the Thunderbird side, too.

            As a curiosity question, and not just to you, do you have a "backup" e-mail client that you can use to test against?  Given that you can have as many e-mail clients as you might like on a given computer if they're all accessing the same accounts via IMAP, it's worth having an extra one to test against when stuff like this comes up so that you can differentiate between the problem possibly being on the screen reader side versus the email client side.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

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