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Re: strange behavior with Microsoft sapi 5 voices and NVDA

Curtis Delzer
 

you may have to just do a factory reset of your configuration. you won't use your add-ons, but I had that happen with voices I try to use and then go back to sapi 4 which then can't load. When I do that factory reset of configuration settings, it clears up.


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On 4/16/2020 10:42 AM, Tony Ballou wrote:
Houdy folks,
Thanks for coming through for me over the weekend with my friend's computer issue.  The fixes are in place, and everything is as it should be on that score. Now I've got one of my own that's got me baffled. Here's what's going down.
  I had some hardware repairs done on my desktop just before we were all thrown into chaos. Everything was fixed internally and all's gravy on that side of the ledger.  However, there is a strange thing going on with Microsoft's Sapi 5 voices and NVDA that's got me scratching my head.  Please bare with me as I try to explain this because it's a new one on me.
When I initially log on to enter my password, the proper voice that I use which is neospeech Paul comes on as it should. However, now this is where things get dicey. Once past the log on screen the Sapi 5 voices loose all functionality, and I have to switch to the windows one core voices for things to function in somewhat of a proper manner. I've tried all of the tricks that I know to put things right, but nothing works.
I wouldn't normally put up a fuss about it, because I can use the one core voices just fine for most tasks.  however, Some of the games that I play to help keep me sane during this crazy time that we're living in like chess, and cribbage  also use the Microsoft Sapi 5 voices, and they've all been compromised as well. What's happened, and does anyone have a fix for this strange issue? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks much and everyone stay safe.
Tony


Re: how can I set symbol pronounciation for special case?

Sascha Cowley
 

If you wanted to match other alphabetic characters (such as Greek letters), a pattern like this could work: ([^\W\d_])'

On 19/04/2020 08:46, Brian Vogel wrote:
Sascha,

          Yep.  Typo.

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Re: how can I set symbol pronounciation for special case?

 

Sascha,

          Yep.  Typo.

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Re: Some List Infor Please

 

If this is under Windows 10 I would advise you to subscribe to the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users Group:  win10+subscribe@win10.groups.io 

I know nothing of the group to which you made reference.

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Some List Infor Please

Andrea Sherry
 

There was once a group called WinTips'n'Tricks.
Does this group still exist?
I have a problem witha folder left behind after uninstallation of a program which I cannot remove. Need to check on establishing ownership so that this can be removed.
Andrea


Re: how can I set symbol pronounciation for special case?

Sascha Cowley
 

Hi Brian,

The regular expression should be: ([a-zA-Z])'

That is, the second 'z' should be uppercase. As is, that regex will match anything between uppercase A and lowercase z, which includes things like square brackets.


Regards,
Sascha

On 19/04/2020 03:48, Brian Vogel wrote:
Sam,

          I would do this using the speech dictionary and a regular expression for the item.  If I am safe in assuming that the thing with the prime in front of it will always be a single letter, preceded by a space, and you are not using single quotes to enclose phrases (at least not commonly), then try this:

1. NVDA+P,D,D  to open NVDA Preferences, Speech Dictionaries, Default Dictionary
2. Activate the Add Button
3. In pattern, place the following:  ([a-zA-z])'
4. In replacement, place the following:  \1 prime
5. In comment make whatever note you'd like, I said mathematical prime
6. Don't check the case insensitive checkbox.
7. Activate the Regular Expression radio button.

If you do use single quotes frequently to enclose phrases, e.g., 'this phrase enclosed with single quotes,' I can try to get more sophisticated and use lookback in the regular expression to avoid instance for single quoted phrases.   As the regular expression I gave is currently constructed, it will match only a single character that's a lowercase or uppercase letter followed by the prime single quote.

I tested this in Notepad and its working.

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Re: OCR version 2, compatible with NVDA 2019.3 or later #addonrelease

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 

thanks joseph
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 3:11 PM
Subject: [nvda] OCR version 2, compatible with NVDA 2019.3 or later #AddonRelease

Hello everyone,

 

The following is applicable for fans of old OCR Add-on (compatible with Windows 7 and 8.x): a code contributor to NVDA is now maintaining the beloved add-on, which is now compatible with NVDA 2019.3. More information can be found at:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/ocr

 

Note that this add-on is not applicable to Windows 10 users, as Windows 10 contains OCR functionality.

Cheers,

Joseph


OCR version 2, compatible with NVDA 2019.3 or later #addonrelease

 

Hello everyone,

 

The following is applicable for fans of old OCR Add-on (compatible with Windows 7 and 8.x): a code contributor to NVDA is now maintaining the beloved add-on, which is now compatible with NVDA 2019.3. More information can be found at:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/ocr

 

Note that this add-on is not applicable to Windows 10 users, as Windows 10 contains OCR functionality.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Tip for canceling an Amazon subscription using NVDA & Windows 10

Jackie
 

I hate it when I cause a moderator more work, because I am 1, & I hate
having to do it.

Humblest apologies, Brian. :(.

On 4/18/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Jackie,

What follows is not aimed personally, but yours is an example of something
I'm trying to cut down on.

For those who have additions to a topic they previously started, and that
topic was started within the last several days, please post those additions
on the original topic.  Using a new subject line splits the second topic out
from the first, and those following a topic will generally keep reading any
time a new message comes through in regard to it.

So if, for instance, you start a topic requesting help on a specific thing,
entitled, "Help with {specific thing}", that you later find a solution for
yourself, please do not post a separate topic, "Solved: Help with {specific
thing}."   Just add your solved message to the end of the ongoing topic,
"Help with {specific thing}.  It keeps all information related to a specific
instance of a specific issue bundled up in one tidy package, which is really
helpful for those searching the archive in the future.

I have already merged this back into the original topic, Tip for canceling
an Amazon subscription using NVDA & Windows 10
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Re: Tip for canceling an Amazon subscription using NVDA & Windows 10

 

Jackie,

           What follows is not aimed personally, but yours is an example of something I'm trying to cut down on.

            For those who have additions to a topic they previously started, and that topic was started within the last several days, please post those additions on the original topic.  Using a new subject line splits the second topic out from the first, and those following a topic will generally keep reading any time a new message comes through in regard to it.

            So if, for instance, you start a topic requesting help on a specific thing, entitled, "Help with {specific thing}", that you later find a solution for yourself, please do not post a separate topic, "Solved: Help with {specific thing}."   Just add your solved message to the end of the ongoing topic, "Help with {specific thing}.  It keeps all information related to a specific instance of a specific issue bundled up in one tidy package, which is really helpful for those searching the archive in the future.

             I have already merged this back into the original topic, Tip for canceling an Amazon subscription using NVDA & Windows 10
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Re: Uninstalling/Reinstalling NVDA - What happens behind the scenes?

 

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 02:25 PM, Laughing Thunder wrote:
NVDA's user data is stored separately from the program itself, so uninstalling and reinstalling manually shouldn't change your settings, add-ons, etc.
Thanks.   This has now been confirmed multiple times from multiple sources.
 
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Tip for canceling an Amazon subscription using NVDA & Windows 10

Jackie
 

This morning I learned another, less cumbersome way to do this. Simply
go to the amazon.com/access site, activate the 'Your Account' link,
then the 'subscribe & save' link, & then the 'subscription' link.
There will be an 'edit' link you can activate in order to edit your
subscription. It's a lot easier. I'm glad to see it's actually
accessible here.

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Re: Uninstalling/Reinstalling NVDA - What happens behind the scenes?

Laughing Thunder
 

NVDA's user data is stored separately from the program itself, so uninstalling and reinstalling manually shouldn't change your settings, add-ons, etc.

On 4/11/2020 4:25 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I have not done an NVDA Uninstall/Reinstall sequence in quite a while, though I have to believe what occurs during an upgrade is its equivalent, as the old NVDA is uninstalled and the new one installed in its place.  In that case, any user profile(s) you created and any add-ons you have are retained and ready to rock and roll in the newly installed new version of NVDA.

Does this work the same way if you manually uninstall NVDA and then reinstall it?  I have often done this sort of thing for Firefox and other programs where I know it is only the program itself, and not the associated user data in the form of profile(s) and extension(s)/add-on(s), that is removed.

Does the NVDA uninstaller behave in the same way, leaving the user data intact, when it's not doing an in-place upgrade from one version to the next?
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locked Re: Menus In New Microsoft Edge

 

I'm just as guilty as anyone for having extended it, but I'm now locking this topic as it really has nothing to do with NVDA and I think all of the necessary details have been covered.

If additional conversation regarding new Edge is needed it should occur either on the Chat Subgroup or the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users group.

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locked Re: Menus In New Microsoft Edge

 

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 02:16 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Microsoft 83.XXX Official build
Ron, from your own previous message, quoting the entire Version line:   Version 83.0.478.10 (Official build) dev (64-bit)

You have to read beyond the "(Official build)" in parenthesis.  Any build actually released via the insiders channels is official, but it doesn't make it the stable build.  These will have their respective insider channel noted after, "(Official build)."
 
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locked Re: Menus In New Microsoft Edge

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

I think I finally got this sorted out.  I used the old trick for opening the apps folder and I see two Microsoft Edge references. The one I had a shortcut to was just called Microsoft Edge.  The one I now have a shortcut to is called Microsoft Edge DEV.  This is the new Edge. I don't know why it says DEV and at the same time under the help/about dialogue it says Microsoft 83.XXX Official build.'

Well at least I'm on the right track now to using the correct version.  Boy do I feel dum!


On 4/18/2020 1:51 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

I have no idea how this happened.  I distinctly remember installing the new Edge version 79.X a few weeks ago.  I don't use Edge a lot and I think I may have tried to delete the shortcut I placed on the desktop to the old Edge. Maybe I accidentally deleted the new Edge shortcut.  If I do have the new edge installed, how do I distinguish it from the old one in terms of finding the executable under the program files or program files (X86) folder structure to reestablish the proper shortcut to the new Edge?

My apologies!


On 4/18/2020 1:42 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

To expand on what Brian wrote: to find out which Edge you’ve got, from Edge window, press NVDA+F1 to open log viewer. One of the information recorded is app (product) version you’ve got. If appModule.productVersion says:

  • 79 or higher: new Edge
  • Under 79: old Edge

At this point, I recommend installing Edge 81 or later (although you’ll lose PDF reading functionality for a while, it is fixed in Edge 83 development builds; I’ll write a companion message to Win10 forum).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 10:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Menus In New Microsoft Edge

 

Hi Brian,

I am thoroughly confused.  I again tried these keystrokes on two systems and they do not work.  The alt + X keystroke works. It must be the correct version of Edge, because the interface is very Chrome-like.

What gives!!!

On 4/18/2020 1:24 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 01:18 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Again, the proper keystroke is alt + X.

No, Ron, it's not.  There is no ALT+X shortcut in new Edge.  Microsoft always publishes its keyboard shortcuts for its products, and new Edge is no exception:

Keyboard shortcuts in Microsoft Edge

ALT+F or ALT,DownArrow will bring up the Edge menu (just like it brings up the Chrome menu, Brave Menu, and all other Chromium-based browser menus).

You have something really, really weird going on, and that needs to be addressed.  But ALT+X is not a valid keyboard shortcut for new Edge, when working correctly, period.  It does nothing and is not documented as a keyboard shortcut for Chromium-based Edge.

 
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locked Re: Menus In New Microsoft Edge

 

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 02:04 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Here is the version number under the help/about page:
Microsoft Edge is up to date.Version 83.0.478.10 (Official build) dev (64-bit)
Ron, the issue here is that you have the Dev (development) channel new Edge installed, which goes in alongside Edge original without supplanting it.  This is by design, since those using any one of the Edge insider channels (Beta, Dev, or Canary) could very well be wanting to test out one of the upcoming versions of new Edge without yet replacing original Edge.  The stable version of new Edge has not pushed out to all that many machines yet.  They're allowing people to download it and install it if they want it now.

I have had no problems at all with Edge Dev and wouldn't hesitate for one second to recommend you keep using it.  If you want a desktop shortcut, follow these instructions:  Adding Desktop Shortcuts Under Windows 10 or Bill White's step-by-step instructions, which I'll add at the end, since what I'm about to say is common to either method.

Once you've done the opening of shell:appsfolder, search for the shortcut noted as Microsoft Edge Dev.  That's the one you want on your desktop and/or pinned to quick launch, or anywhere else you want to be using new Chromium-based Edge.

-----------------

Creating a Desktop Shortcut for a Program/App Under Windows 10

             by Bill White

1. Go to your desktop and make sure nothing is selected. To do this: press CONTROL plus SPACE, then JAWS (or other screen reader) should say, “Not Selected.”  If you need to, hit CTRL+SPACE again.

2. Press Applications/Menu Key or SHIFT plus F10, and Arrow down to the New Submenu, then press ENTER.

3. ARROW down to Shortcut then press ENTER.

4. When it asks you to type the location of the shortcut, type:  %windir%\explorer.exe shell:Appsfolder

5. TAB to the Next button then press ENTER.

6. When it asks for a name for the shortcut, press the DELETE key then type:  AppsFolder

7. TAB to the Finish button, then press ENTER.

8. Now, on your desktop, you will have a shortcut that reads:  AppsFolder

9. If you press ENTER on this shortcut, a special Windows system folder will open containing all of your apps.

10. Now, create any shortcut for an app as follows:

11. Press ENTER on the AppsFolder icon.

12. Use First-letter Navigation to find and select the app for which you want the shortcut on your desktop.

13. Hit the Applications/Menu Key, or SHIFT+F10, down arrow to Create Shortcut, then press ENTER.

14. When it tells you that a shortcut can’t be created here, and it asks if you want a shortcut on the desktop, press ENTER on Yes.

15. That’s it. Now you will have a shortcut for your desired app on the desktop, along with the AppsFolder shortcut, which you can use later when you need to create another desktop shortcut.

 

 
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locked Re: Menus In New Microsoft Edge

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

When I use the search under start menu and type in Microsoft Edge, it brought up the new edge.  Here is the version number under the help/about page:
Microsoft Edge is up to date.Version 83.0.478.10 (Official build) dev (64-bit)

So I did have it installed after all and I apparently deleted the wrong shortcut from the desktop.  I can't seem to find how to create a shortcut for the new Edge on the desktop.

Wow what a bonar I pulled: that's old first ward Buffalo New York lingo for what a terrible mistake!'


On 4/18/2020 1:42 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

To expand on what Brian wrote: to find out which Edge you’ve got, from Edge window, press NVDA+F1 to open log viewer. One of the information recorded is app (product) version you’ve got. If appModule.productVersion says:

  • 79 or higher: new Edge
  • Under 79: old Edge

At this point, I recommend installing Edge 81 or later (although you’ll lose PDF reading functionality for a while, it is fixed in Edge 83 development builds; I’ll write a companion message to Win10 forum).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 10:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Menus In New Microsoft Edge

 

Hi Brian,

I am thoroughly confused.  I again tried these keystrokes on two systems and they do not work.  The alt + X keystroke works. It must be the correct version of Edge, because the interface is very Chrome-like.

What gives!!!

On 4/18/2020 1:24 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 01:18 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Again, the proper keystroke is alt + X.

No, Ron, it's not.  There is no ALT+X shortcut in new Edge.  Microsoft always publishes its keyboard shortcuts for its products, and new Edge is no exception:

Keyboard shortcuts in Microsoft Edge

ALT+F or ALT,DownArrow will bring up the Edge menu (just like it brings up the Chrome menu, Brave Menu, and all other Chromium-based browser menus).

You have something really, really weird going on, and that needs to be addressed.  But ALT+X is not a valid keyboard shortcut for new Edge, when working correctly, period.  It does nothing and is not documented as a keyboard shortcut for Chromium-based Edge.

 
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locked Re: Menus In New Microsoft Edge

 

Hi,

Then I wonder where folks got old Edge documentation and claim that it is the official list of keystrokes… The only explanation is the one we have – old Edge, something people should abandon and move on.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 10:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Menus In New Microsoft Edge

 

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 01:44 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Microsoft may have not updated their documentation

Joseph, trust me, I always check what's at a page before posting the link.  It is for the new Edge and explicitly states that at the top, along with a link to the legacy Edge documentation if you happen to be looking for that.  It's up to date.
 
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locked Re: Menus In New Microsoft Edge

 

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 01:44 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Microsoft may have not updated their documentation
Joseph, trust me, I always check what's at a page before posting the link.  It is for the new Edge and explicitly states that at the top, along with a link to the legacy Edge documentation if you happen to be looking for that.  It's up to date.
 
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