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Re: nvda and newer thunderbird

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On 20 Apr 2020, at 22:36, mattias wrote:

or if this is a feature in newer nvda alphas. when i now start thunderbird nvda repeat e.g: folder nvda, read 110 unread 2. is this a irritating new feature?


Re: Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find

 

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 11:34 AM, Gene wrote:
The question needs more discussion. 
Only if others want to discuss it.

However, in at least partial answers to your question based on my single experience:  Not new (has been happening for a long time now).  Can't speak as to whether it's limited to Win10 or not.  If Win7 is still being supported by NVAccess then that matters, and if it's not it doesn't.  And I'd hope that active support for any OS would not go on for any longer than 1 year after any OS goes out of support by its maker.  Passive "it still works" is an entirely different matter.
 
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Re: Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find

Gene
 

The question needs more discussion.  Is this a problem with new versions of NVDA, perhaps after the change to the new version of Python or has it been going on for some time?  and is thisw a very limited problem or more widespread?  Also, does it only affect Windows 10 users or other users?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find
 
Chris,

           As someone else said recently, there is a certain comfort in knowing that a given issue is not limited strictly to yourself!  Thanks for reporting.

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Re: Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find

 

Chris,

           As someone else said recently, there is a certain comfort in knowing that a given issue is not limited strictly to yourself!  Thanks for reporting.

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Unable to get sound of typed alphabets

pranaw kumar
 

Dear All,
We have made Indian language TTS voice SAPI compatible and accessed the same in NVDA. It is working properly but we are facing one issue. When we type either English alphabet  or Indian Language Alphabet through keyboard, it is not getting passed to NVDA and so we are unable to listen the sound. However, when word is typed it is working fine. If alphabets/single characters are present on document it speaks.

Kind Regards  /सादर
Pranaw Kumar / प्रणव कुमार


Re: Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Brian

I get this regularly, for some reason it triggers the site’s “Find in page” functionality.  When this happens, I usually press enter on the site’s “Close find”  feature, make sure NVDA is in browse mode then do NVDA+Ctrl+f again.  Occasionally, you can’t get into browse mode, in which case I reload and try again.  If it doesn’t work next time I grouch profusely and swear never to use the site again.

 

Cheers

Chris    

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: 21 April 2020 00:40
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find

 

I'm now frustrated enough to ask this question.

It had always been my belief that hitting NVDA+CTRL+F would force the NVDA Find dialog to come up and be used to search a webpage.  I often want to be able to do this when searching for controls that don't necessarily show up with a straight browser find.

In trying to work on Maria's issue, I tried several times to get the NVDA find to come up to find the Language Selector button, but it wouldn't.  I'd hit NVDA+CTRL+F and still get the Brave browser find.  This has happened plenty in Chrome and Edge Dev, too, so I know it's not "just a Brave thing."

What am I missing?  There are times I absolutely want to force an NVDA Find, and it seems that sometimes I cannot do that.
--

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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 

 


Re: nvda and newer thunderbird

Rui Fontes
 

In the Thunderbird View menu, go to Toolbars and uncheck the Status bar...


Rui Fontes


Às 06:36 de 21/04/2020, mattias escreveu:

or if this is a feature in newer nvda alphas. when i now start thunderbird nvda repeat e.g: folder nvda, read 110 unread 2. is this a irritating new feature?




using calibre with nvda

Norman <lists@...>
 

Good morning.

The subject line says it all,. I'm looking for a way to organize ebooks and am wondering if there are any tips and tricks to using calibre with nvda?

If not, what else do people use?


Thanks.


nvda and newer thunderbird

mattias
 

or if this is a feature in newer nvda alphas. when i now start thunderbird nvda repeat e.g: folder nvda, read 110 unread 2. is this a irritating new feature?


Re: Welcome to the NVDA Community Add-ons website - Kill NVDA #nvdaaddonsfeed

Patrick Le Baudour
 

Hi,

I just checked nvda application shortcuts, the one on my desktop is associated with ctrl+alt+n. If I chenge the associated keyboard shortcut, only the new one works, so I'd assume the nvda hook is not used here, unless i'm missing something?

-- Patrick

Le 21/04/2020 à 02:44, Tyler Spivey a écrit :
No. The way NVDA works is it uses a keyboard hook.
This intercepts all keys, and lets NVDA decide what, if anything, it wants to do with them.
However, sometimes NVDA crashes, or locks up. It's still accepting keyboard input, but not doing anything with it, kind of like how it works with input help mode on.
An example from a few months ago. I was looking at cell phone plans. Every time I got to a certain line in the page in Firefox, NVDA would lock up and do this.
Hitting windows+m to go to the desktop, then a character I know isn't the beginning of an icon name usually beeps, but it didn't. I knew my Windows sounds were working because I either restarted them or tested them earlier (there's a Windows bug that disables them on some reboots).
What can you do here?
1. Alt control delete works, and the NVDA there reads. You might think you can use task manager, but as soon as your session comes back, your keyboard still doesn't work.
2. Sign out. Hopefully this stops NVDA and leaves you with some of your windows open, for example if you had an unsaved notepad.
3. Switch to another user, kill the old NVDA process and switch back. You have to have that user set up before this happens, and I kept forgetting to make the account.
On 4/20/2020 1:38 PM, Robert Kingett wrote:

Glad to see the integration works. I admit, if NVDA crashes, though, couldn't you just hit CTRL, ALT, N?


Re: New NVDA sounds

Sarah k Alawami
 

Instructions were already given, I believe. Search the archive, please.


Tc

On 4/20/2020 7:31 PM, Ron Kolesar wrote:
Many thanks for the NVDA wave files.
Especially for this NVDA Newbie.
My question is this, I down loaded the zip folder of wave files, how do I get them inside NVDA to take advantage of them?
Many thanks.
Ron KR3DOG

-----Original Message----- From: Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 15:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New NVDA sounds

https://www.dropbox.com/s/km6i9ip82q3nkn1/NVDA%20new%20waves.zip?dl=1

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ali Savas
Sent: Mittwoch, 15. April 2020 19:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] New NVDA sounds

Hello everyone,

some years ago the sounds of NVDA should have been renewed, but were discarded.

Do any of you still have these sounds and could you send them to me?

Thank you very much in advance and best regards Ali








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Re: New NVDA sounds

Ron Kolesar
 

Many thanks for the NVDA wave files.
Especially for this NVDA Newbie.
My question is this, I down loaded the zip folder of wave files, how do I get them inside NVDA to take advantage of them?
Many thanks.
Ron KR3DOG

-----Original Message-----
From: Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 15:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New NVDA sounds

https://www.dropbox.com/s/km6i9ip82q3nkn1/NVDA%20new%20waves.zip?dl=1

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ali Savas
Sent: Mittwoch, 15. April 2020 19:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] New NVDA sounds

Hello everyone,

some years ago the sounds of NVDA should have been renewed, but were discarded.

Do any of you still have these sounds and could you send them to me?

Thank you very much in advance and best regards Ali








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Re: Welcome to the NVDA Community Add-ons website - Kill NVDA #nvdaaddonsfeed

Tyler Spivey
 

No. The way NVDA works is it uses a keyboard hook.
This intercepts all keys, and lets NVDA decide what, if anything, it wants to do with them.

However, sometimes NVDA crashes, or locks up. It's still accepting keyboard input, but not doing anything with it, kind of like how it works with input help mode on.
An example from a few months ago. I was looking at cell phone plans. Every time I got to a certain line in the page in Firefox, NVDA would lock up and do this.
Hitting windows+m to go to the desktop, then a character I know isn't the beginning of an icon name usually beeps, but it didn't. I knew my Windows sounds were working because I either restarted them or tested them earlier (there's a Windows bug that disables them on some reboots).

What can you do here?
1. Alt control delete works, and the NVDA there reads. You might think you can use task manager, but as soon as your session comes back, your keyboard still doesn't work.
2. Sign out. Hopefully this stops NVDA and leaves you with some of your windows open, for example if you had an unsaved notepad.
3. Switch to another user, kill the old NVDA process and switch back. You have to have that user set up before this happens, and I kept forgetting to make the account.

On 4/20/2020 1:38 PM, Robert Kingett wrote:

Glad to see the integration works. I admit, if NVDA crashes, though, couldn't you just hit CTRL, ALT, N?


Re: Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find

Gene
 

You do have to be in forms mode. The focus highlight evidently is providing incorrect information. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find
 
Since I use the Focus Highlight Add-On, I'm going to have to pay attention that I'm seeing a red or dashed green outline, not dashed blue, when I try to issue a screen reader find.

I'm sure this has to be what I'm usually screwing up.  What I find interesting is that there are times, like right now, where I'm typing in an edit box and Focus Highlight indicates that I'm in browse mode, when I would have thought I'd have to be in focus mode in order to enter text.
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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find

 

Since I use the Focus Highlight Add-On, I'm going to have to pay attention that I'm seeing a red or dashed green outline, not dashed blue, when I try to issue a screen reader find.

I'm sure this has to be what I'm usually screwing up.  What I find interesting is that there are times, like right now, where I'm typing in an edit box and Focus Highlight indicates that I'm in browse mode, when I would have thought I'd have to be in focus mode in order to enter text.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Can a developer test this for me?

Jackie
 

Brian, you mean I can't show off my telepathic abilities? :)

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Re: Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find

Gene
 

I don’t know where you are when you use the command.  Is this another example of why I say that automatic sswoitching between browse mode on and off should be done manually, not automatically, which is the default?  If you are somewhere where browse mode is automatically turned off, what you describe will happen.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 6:40 PM
Subject: [nvda] Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find
 
I'm now frustrated enough to ask this question.

It had always been my belief that hitting NVDA+CTRL+F would force the NVDA Find dialog to come up and be used to search a webpage.  I often want to be able to do this when searching for controls that don't necessarily show up with a straight browser find.

In trying to work on Maria's issue, I tried several times to get the NVDA find to come up to find the Language Selector button, but it wouldn't.  I'd hit NVDA+CTRL+F and still get the Brave browser find.  This has happened plenty in Chrome and Edge Dev, too, so I know it's not "just a Brave thing."

What am I missing?  There are times I absolutely want to force an NVDA Find, and it seems that sometimes I cannot do that.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find

 

Hi,

NVDA’s find command can be used in browse mode only, as pressing Control+NVDA+F in focus mode will invoke browser’s own find interface, as it is actually Control+F that will be received by the browser.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 4:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find

 

I'm now frustrated enough to ask this question.

It had always been my belief that hitting NVDA+CTRL+F would force the NVDA Find dialog to come up and be used to search a webpage.  I often want to be able to do this when searching for controls that don't necessarily show up with a straight browser find.

In trying to work on Maria's issue, I tried several times to get the NVDA find to come up to find the Language Selector button, but it wouldn't.  I'd hit NVDA+CTRL+F and still get the Brave browser find.  This has happened plenty in Chrome and Edge Dev, too, so I know it's not "just a Brave thing."

What am I missing?  There are times I absolutely want to force an NVDA Find, and it seems that sometimes I cannot do that.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Can a developer test this for me?

 

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 07:36 PM, Jackie wrote:
Me slow!
Now, now Jackie.  Just because we're all thinking it already doesn't mean you have to say it!  ;-)
 
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Re: Questions

Gene
 

You can create a portable copy and move it or copy it wherever you want.  Portable programs aren’t installed so the answer to the question is that you can have as many portable copies on a machine as you want and they can be any compatible versions.  There is no limit to the current or older versions you can have on the machine if they are portable and compatible with the version of Windows running.  But you can only have one installed copy of NVDA on a machine at a time.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions
 
 
 
On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 7:03 PM Emmanuel Junaid <emmanueljunaidh@...> wrote:

Please help on the following:
1 can I instal two versions of NVDA on one computer.
2 does the NVDA remote add-on work on the latest stable version of nvda?

For question 1, yes, and no. You can create a portable copy of NVDA to run on a flash drive or other external device. Though with the way it's set up I don't see why you couldn't create another copy elsewhere.
As for NVDA remote and NVDA 2019.3, I believe they are compatible, yes.
Hope this helps.