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locked Commenting without reading threads #adminnotice

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello everyone,

I am requesting that everyone take a look at https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topic/questions/73161884?p=,,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,2,0,73161884 as an example of what happens when users do not read threads entirely before responding. There are many further examples like it. In particular, please pay attention to messages sent by Gene. 

Please, I am urging every user to read messages in their entirety before responding. Using threaded view is a great tool for helping out with this. Using the web version is also great for this. If you choose not to use threaded view or the web version, please make certain you have read to each message in the thread before responding.

Why is this important? There are many users on this list, and there is simply no reason to get multiple responses to a thread saying essentially the same thing just because a user won't bother reading through a thread before responding. Receiving many emails has an impact on individuals from regions of the world where bandwidth matters. It also makes going through emails more time-consuming, and makes threads longer in the archives when users must go through threads saying the exact same thing.

Finally, if you don't know the answer to a question, please, please refrain from answering to say that you don't know, google it, etc etc. These kinds of messages are another example of extraneous messages that don't need to make it to the list. It's fine if you don't know, but there is no reason to respond if you don't.

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Re: nvda and newer thunderbird

 

And there is a fix that appears to be headed for rolling out in a fix update to Thunderbird.  But turning off the Status Bar is the quick and dirty workaround for the moment.
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Re: Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find

Sarah k Alawami
 

I will sometimes have this issue on twitch and even sometimes google and most websites. I think this might have started with nvda 19.3.x.

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On 21 Apr 2020, at 8:34, Gene wrote:

The question needs more discussion.  Is this a problem with new versions of NVDA, perhaps after the change to the new version of Python or has it been going on for some time?  and is thisw a very limited problem or more widespread?  Also, does it only affect Windows 10 users or other users?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find
 
Chris,

           As someone else said recently, there is a certain comfort in knowing that a given issue is not limited strictly to yourself!  Thanks for reporting.

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Re: nvda and newer thunderbird

Sarah k Alawami
 

Did you uncheck the status bar in thunderbird's view menu? Read the archives on this list and the TBird list for more info.

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Our discord is where you will know when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum] Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

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Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 20 Apr 2020, at 22:36, mattias wrote:

or if this is a feature in newer nvda alphas. when i now start thunderbird nvda repeat e.g: folder nvda, read 110 unread 2. is this a irritating new feature?


Re: Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find

 

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 11:34 AM, Gene wrote:
The question needs more discussion. 
Only if others want to discuss it.

However, in at least partial answers to your question based on my single experience:  Not new (has been happening for a long time now).  Can't speak as to whether it's limited to Win10 or not.  If Win7 is still being supported by NVAccess then that matters, and if it's not it doesn't.  And I'd hope that active support for any OS would not go on for any longer than 1 year after any OS goes out of support by its maker.  Passive "it still works" is an entirely different matter.
 
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Re: Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find

Gene
 

The question needs more discussion.  Is this a problem with new versions of NVDA, perhaps after the change to the new version of Python or has it been going on for some time?  and is thisw a very limited problem or more widespread?  Also, does it only affect Windows 10 users or other users?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find
 
Chris,

           As someone else said recently, there is a certain comfort in knowing that a given issue is not limited strictly to yourself!  Thanks for reporting.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find

 

Chris,

           As someone else said recently, there is a certain comfort in knowing that a given issue is not limited strictly to yourself!  Thanks for reporting.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Unable to get sound of typed alphabets

pranaw kumar
 

Dear All,
We have made Indian language TTS voice SAPI compatible and accessed the same in NVDA. It is working properly but we are facing one issue. When we type either English alphabet  or Indian Language Alphabet through keyboard, it is not getting passed to NVDA and so we are unable to listen the sound. However, when word is typed it is working fine. If alphabets/single characters are present on document it speaks.

Kind Regards  /सादर
Pranaw Kumar / प्रणव कुमार


Re: Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Brian

I get this regularly, for some reason it triggers the site’s “Find in page” functionality.  When this happens, I usually press enter on the site’s “Close find”  feature, make sure NVDA is in browse mode then do NVDA+Ctrl+f again.  Occasionally, you can’t get into browse mode, in which case I reload and try again.  If it doesn’t work next time I grouch profusely and swear never to use the site again.

 

Cheers

Chris    

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: 21 April 2020 00:40
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find

 

I'm now frustrated enough to ask this question.

It had always been my belief that hitting NVDA+CTRL+F would force the NVDA Find dialog to come up and be used to search a webpage.  I often want to be able to do this when searching for controls that don't necessarily show up with a straight browser find.

In trying to work on Maria's issue, I tried several times to get the NVDA find to come up to find the Language Selector button, but it wouldn't.  I'd hit NVDA+CTRL+F and still get the Brave browser find.  This has happened plenty in Chrome and Edge Dev, too, so I know it's not "just a Brave thing."

What am I missing?  There are times I absolutely want to force an NVDA Find, and it seems that sometimes I cannot do that.
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Re: nvda and newer thunderbird

Rui Fontes
 

In the Thunderbird View menu, go to Toolbars and uncheck the Status bar...


Rui Fontes


Às 06:36 de 21/04/2020, mattias escreveu:

or if this is a feature in newer nvda alphas. when i now start thunderbird nvda repeat e.g: folder nvda, read 110 unread 2. is this a irritating new feature?




using calibre with nvda

Norman <lists@...>
 

Good morning.

The subject line says it all,. I'm looking for a way to organize ebooks and am wondering if there are any tips and tricks to using calibre with nvda?

If not, what else do people use?


Thanks.


nvda and newer thunderbird

mattias
 

or if this is a feature in newer nvda alphas. when i now start thunderbird nvda repeat e.g: folder nvda, read 110 unread 2. is this a irritating new feature?


Re: Welcome to the NVDA Community Add-ons website - Kill NVDA #nvdaaddonsfeed

Patrick Le Baudour
 

Hi,

I just checked nvda application shortcuts, the one on my desktop is associated with ctrl+alt+n. If I chenge the associated keyboard shortcut, only the new one works, so I'd assume the nvda hook is not used here, unless i'm missing something?

-- Patrick

Le 21/04/2020 à 02:44, Tyler Spivey a écrit :
No. The way NVDA works is it uses a keyboard hook.
This intercepts all keys, and lets NVDA decide what, if anything, it wants to do with them.
However, sometimes NVDA crashes, or locks up. It's still accepting keyboard input, but not doing anything with it, kind of like how it works with input help mode on.
An example from a few months ago. I was looking at cell phone plans. Every time I got to a certain line in the page in Firefox, NVDA would lock up and do this.
Hitting windows+m to go to the desktop, then a character I know isn't the beginning of an icon name usually beeps, but it didn't. I knew my Windows sounds were working because I either restarted them or tested them earlier (there's a Windows bug that disables them on some reboots).
What can you do here?
1. Alt control delete works, and the NVDA there reads. You might think you can use task manager, but as soon as your session comes back, your keyboard still doesn't work.
2. Sign out. Hopefully this stops NVDA and leaves you with some of your windows open, for example if you had an unsaved notepad.
3. Switch to another user, kill the old NVDA process and switch back. You have to have that user set up before this happens, and I kept forgetting to make the account.
On 4/20/2020 1:38 PM, Robert Kingett wrote:

Glad to see the integration works. I admit, if NVDA crashes, though, couldn't you just hit CTRL, ALT, N?


Re: New NVDA sounds

Sarah k Alawami
 

Instructions were already given, I believe. Search the archive, please.


Tc

On 4/20/2020 7:31 PM, Ron Kolesar wrote:
Many thanks for the NVDA wave files.
Especially for this NVDA Newbie.
My question is this, I down loaded the zip folder of wave files, how do I get them inside NVDA to take advantage of them?
Many thanks.
Ron KR3DOG

-----Original Message----- From: Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 15:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New NVDA sounds

https://www.dropbox.com/s/km6i9ip82q3nkn1/NVDA%20new%20waves.zip?dl=1

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ali Savas
Sent: Mittwoch, 15. April 2020 19:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] New NVDA sounds

Hello everyone,

some years ago the sounds of NVDA should have been renewed, but were discarded.

Do any of you still have these sounds and could you send them to me?

Thank you very much in advance and best regards Ali








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Re: New NVDA sounds

Ron Kolesar
 

Many thanks for the NVDA wave files.
Especially for this NVDA Newbie.
My question is this, I down loaded the zip folder of wave files, how do I get them inside NVDA to take advantage of them?
Many thanks.
Ron KR3DOG

-----Original Message-----
From: Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 15:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New NVDA sounds

https://www.dropbox.com/s/km6i9ip82q3nkn1/NVDA%20new%20waves.zip?dl=1

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ali Savas
Sent: Mittwoch, 15. April 2020 19:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] New NVDA sounds

Hello everyone,

some years ago the sounds of NVDA should have been renewed, but were discarded.

Do any of you still have these sounds and could you send them to me?

Thank you very much in advance and best regards Ali








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Re: Welcome to the NVDA Community Add-ons website - Kill NVDA #nvdaaddonsfeed

Tyler Spivey
 

No. The way NVDA works is it uses a keyboard hook.
This intercepts all keys, and lets NVDA decide what, if anything, it wants to do with them.

However, sometimes NVDA crashes, or locks up. It's still accepting keyboard input, but not doing anything with it, kind of like how it works with input help mode on.
An example from a few months ago. I was looking at cell phone plans. Every time I got to a certain line in the page in Firefox, NVDA would lock up and do this.
Hitting windows+m to go to the desktop, then a character I know isn't the beginning of an icon name usually beeps, but it didn't. I knew my Windows sounds were working because I either restarted them or tested them earlier (there's a Windows bug that disables them on some reboots).

What can you do here?
1. Alt control delete works, and the NVDA there reads. You might think you can use task manager, but as soon as your session comes back, your keyboard still doesn't work.
2. Sign out. Hopefully this stops NVDA and leaves you with some of your windows open, for example if you had an unsaved notepad.
3. Switch to another user, kill the old NVDA process and switch back. You have to have that user set up before this happens, and I kept forgetting to make the account.

On 4/20/2020 1:38 PM, Robert Kingett wrote:

Glad to see the integration works. I admit, if NVDA crashes, though, couldn't you just hit CTRL, ALT, N?


Re: Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find

Gene
 

You do have to be in forms mode. The focus highlight evidently is providing incorrect information. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find
 
Since I use the Focus Highlight Add-On, I'm going to have to pay attention that I'm seeing a red or dashed green outline, not dashed blue, when I try to issue a screen reader find.

I'm sure this has to be what I'm usually screwing up.  What I find interesting is that there are times, like right now, where I'm typing in an edit box and Focus Highlight indicates that I'm in browse mode, when I would have thought I'd have to be in focus mode in order to enter text.
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Re: Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find

 

Since I use the Focus Highlight Add-On, I'm going to have to pay attention that I'm seeing a red or dashed green outline, not dashed blue, when I try to issue a screen reader find.

I'm sure this has to be what I'm usually screwing up.  What I find interesting is that there are times, like right now, where I'm typing in an edit box and Focus Highlight indicates that I'm in browse mode, when I would have thought I'd have to be in focus mode in order to enter text.
--

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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Can a developer test this for me?

Jackie
 

Brian, you mean I can't show off my telepathic abilities? :)

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Re: Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find

Gene
 

I don’t know where you are when you use the command.  Is this another example of why I say that automatic sswoitching between browse mode on and off should be done manually, not automatically, which is the default?  If you are somewhere where browse mode is automatically turned off, what you describe will happen.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 6:40 PM
Subject: [nvda] Forcing NVDA Find versus Browser Find
 
I'm now frustrated enough to ask this question.

It had always been my belief that hitting NVDA+CTRL+F would force the NVDA Find dialog to come up and be used to search a webpage.  I often want to be able to do this when searching for controls that don't necessarily show up with a straight browser find.

In trying to work on Maria's issue, I tried several times to get the NVDA find to come up to find the Language Selector button, but it wouldn't.  I'd hit NVDA+CTRL+F and still get the Brave browser find.  This has happened plenty in Chrome and Edge Dev, too, so I know it's not "just a Brave thing."

What am I missing?  There are times I absolutely want to force an NVDA Find, and it seems that sometimes I cannot do that.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 

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