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On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 02:41 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

I recommend not editing the first few entries (such as ". sentence ending"),

Even if the edit is only to what the replacement word is?  (Yes, this is a serious question, as I can see how many might prefer "period" to "dot." I leave all else alone).
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

Hi,
I recommend not editing the first few entries (such as ". sentence ending"), as they are reserved for use when processing characters (there is a dedicated module in NVDA that will look for these and take appropriate action).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Karl-Heinz Arkenau
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 10:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctation and Symbols Settings

Hello,

thank you for the good explenation.

Of course, alls this makes (at leeast to me, somewehere in the word mey be someone with a different opinion...) sense...but I was wondering this "sentence ending" because it is not mentionend anywhere in die Users Guide and that made me curios and I couldn't let go of it. It's my nature..sorry if it was disturbing.

Greetings

Karl-Heinz

Am 02.05.2020 um 18:25 schrieb Brian Vogel:

I don't know how to make the explanation "sentence ending" more clear, but I'll try. It means a period at the end of a sentence, like this one. It does not mean a decimal point, like this, 151.20, or a date separator, like this, 2020.05.02, or any one of a number of other contexts where a period might be used other than as the terminal punctuation on a sentence.

Any of the punctuation settings that "come with" NVDA are given by NVDA and some, like this one, cannot be removed (and who would want to?). I feel fairly certain that the descriptive phrase, "period, sentence ending," is, under the hood, a regular expression that catches the character before the period, the period itself, and makes sure that there is white space of some sort following it or that it is the very end of a string with nothing after it. That would not be a clearer explanation to the majority of people than, "period, sentence ending."

I do not see any way to give the sentence ending attribute to some random other symbol, but why would one want to do so? Off the top of my head, the three sentence ending punctuation marks in most (not all) European languages are period, question mark, and exclamation point. All those are already covered by what "comes with" the NVDA punctuation characters list, though you could choose to modify what's announced. Just the other day someone was asking about forcing sentence ending exclamation point to be pronounced as exclamation point rather than bang when reading at the punctuation level, which you can do by changing the replacement word from "bang" to the two words "exclamation point." There is a separate entry for the exclamation point symbol, in a non-sentence ending context, that uses bang as its replacement. If you do a lot of programming where the exclamation point is used for negation, and you're having that read, it's a lot faster and cleaner to hear something like, "If bang A," rather than, "If exclamation point A," since bang has been used as the shorthand name for exclamation point for a very long time now.
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Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

*Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth.*

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine
Sentiment Took Hold in the United States (
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-u
s
.html ) , September 23, 2019

Hi,
I recommend not editing the first few entries (such as ". sentence ending"), as they are reserved for use when processing characters (there is a dedicated module in NVDA that will look for these and take appropriate action).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karl-Heinz Arkenau
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 10:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctation and Symbols Settings

Hello,

thank you for the good explenation.

Of course, alls this makes (at leeast to me, somewehere in the word mey be someone with a different opinion...) sense...but I was wondering this "sentence ending" because it is not mentionend anywhere in die Users Guide and that made me curios and I couldn't let go of it. It's my nature..sorry if it was disturbing.

Greetings

Karl-Heinz

Am 02.05.2020 um 18:25 schrieb Brian Vogel:

I don't know how to make the explanation "sentence ending" more clear, but I'll try. It means a period at the end of a sentence, like this one. It does not mean a decimal point, like this, 151.20, or a date separator, like this, 2020.05.02, or any one of a number of other contexts where a period might be used other than as the terminal punctuation on a sentence.

Any of the punctuation settings that "come with" NVDA are given by NVDA and some, like this one, cannot be removed (and who would want to?). I feel fairly certain that the descriptive phrase, "period, sentence ending," is, under the hood, a regular expression that catches the character before the period, the period itself, and makes sure that there is white space of some sort following it or that it is the very end of a string with nothing after it. That would not be a clearer explanation to the majority of people than, "period, sentence ending."

I do not see any way to give the sentence ending attribute to some random other symbol, but why would one want to do so? Off the top of my head, the three sentence ending punctuation marks in most (not all) European languages are period, question mark, and exclamation point. All those are already covered by what "comes with" the NVDA punctuation characters list, though you could choose to modify what's announced. Just the other day someone was asking about forcing sentence ending exclamation point to be pronounced as exclamation point rather than bang when reading at the punctuation level, which you can do by changing the replacement word from "bang" to the two words "exclamation point." There is a separate entry for the exclamation point symbol, in a non-sentence ending context, that uses bang as its replacement. If you do a lot of programming where the exclamation point is used for negation, and you're having that read, it's a lot faster and cleaner to hear something like, "If bang A," rather than, "If exclamation point A," since bang has been used as the shorthand name for exclamation point for a very long time now.
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

*Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth.*

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine
Sentiment Took Hold in the United States (
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us
.html ) , September 23, 2019

I don't know how to make the explanation "sentence ending" more clear, but I'll try. It means a period at the end of a sentence, like this one. It does not mean a decimal point, like this, 151.20, or a date separator, like this, 2020.05.02, or any one of a number of other contexts where a period might be used other than as the terminal punctuation on a sentence.

Any of the punctuation settings that "come with" NVDA are given by NVDA and some, like this one, cannot be removed (and who would want to?). I feel fairly certain that the descriptive phrase, "period, sentence ending," is, under the hood, a regular expression that catches the character before the period, the period itself, and makes sure that there is white space of some sort following it or that it is the very end of a string with nothing after it. That would not be a clearer explanation to the majority of people than, "period, sentence ending."

I do not see any way to give the sentence ending attribute to some random other symbol, but why would one want to do so? Off the top of my head, the three sentence ending punctuation marks in most (not all) European languages are period, question mark, and exclamation point. All those are already covered by what "comes with" the NVDA punctuation characters list, though you could choose to modify what's announced. Just the other day someone was asking about forcing sentence ending exclamation point to be pronounced as exclamation point rather than bang when reading at the punctuation level, which you can do by changing the replacement word from "bang" to the two words "exclamation point." There is a separate entry for the exclamation point symbol, in a non-sentence ending context, that uses bang as its replacement. If you do a lot of programming where the exclamation point is used for negation, and you're having that read, it's a lot faster and cleaner to hear something like, "If bang A," rather than, "If exclamation point A," since bang has been used as the shorthand name for exclamation point for a very long time now.
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

*Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth.*

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine
Sentiment Took Hold in the United States (
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us
.html ) , September 23, 2019

The accessible pack for blind folks I downloaded years ago and have since upgraded, changes a lot of things that make managing windows easier for screen reader folks and a bunch of other stuff, such as the ability to alt tab to your contact list, the ability to alt tab to various chat windows. Disables certain settings that interfere with chat histories and otherwise, like avatars, and more, but I can't remember all the changes.

I also can't seem to find the old link to the old blind accessible version. As I said, I'd be more than willing to share my version if I knew how to expoirt the settings without exposing my various accounts.

I'm sharing the page for Miranda NG Packs. This page doesn't have the blind centric pack, but the Sebijk Edition says it's accessible to blind people. I'm still using the blind version of Miranda NG I got years ago, from Andre Louis, or whatever his name is.

If I knew how, I'd love to make a pack and share it with you all, but I can't figure out how to export everything except my various accounts. Anyway, try the below.

• The homepage, to learn about this accessible universal IM Client for windows.
• Packs wiki page.

Then, do as I did.  In the Punctuation and symbols dialog search at the top for the word, "dot".   It only comes up about five times, and two of those are for the sentence ending period and the straight single period character.  Change both of those instances to "period" for the replacement instead of dot.  And unless you want ellipses read as period period period rather than dot dot dot leave those instances alone.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

I don't know how to make the explanation "sentence ending" more clear, but I'll try.  It means a period at the end of a sentence, like this one.   It does not mean a decimal point, like this, 151.20, or a date separator, like this, 2020.05.02, or any one of a number of other contexts where a period might be used other than as the terminal punctuation on a sentence.

Any of the punctuation settings that "come with" NVDA are given by NVDA and some, like this one, cannot be removed (and who would want to?).  I feel fairly certain that the descriptive phrase, "period, sentence ending," is, under the hood, a regular expression that catches the character before the period, the period itself, and makes sure that there is white space of some sort following it or that it is the very end of a string with nothing after it.  That would not be a clearer explanation to the majority of people than, "period, sentence ending."

I do not see any way to give the sentence ending attribute to some random other symbol, but why would one want to do so?  Off the top of my head, the three sentence ending punctuation marks in most (not all) European languages are period, question mark, and exclamation point.   All those are already covered by what "comes with" the NVDA punctuation characters list, though you could choose to modify what's announced.  Just the other day someone was asking about forcing sentence ending exclamation point to be pronounced as exclamation point rather than bang when reading at the punctuation level, which you can do by changing the replacement word from "bang" to the two words "exclamation point."  There is a separate entry for the exclamation point symbol, in a non-sentence ending context, that uses bang as its replacement.  If you do a lot of programming where the exclamation point is used for negation, and you're having that read, it's a lot faster and cleaner to hear something like, "If bang A," rather than, "If exclamation point A," since bang has been used as the shorthand name for exclamation point for a very long time now.
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

*Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.*

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States ( https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html ) , September 23, 2019

Dennis,

              This is a serious question:  When did it say it as dot?

              In playing with this, until I set both the period, sentence ending to read as period instead of dot, and set the straight period character to read as period instead of dot, if I wrote a sentence with a terminal period and then began backspacing out characters it would read as dot.   Once both were set to period then it was reading as period.  This suggests to me that when backspacing out characters to delete them NVDA is matching characters as single characters (which makes sense) rather than trying to use sentence context.  I don't want punctuation pronounced as a general rule, so I have not turned on anything that makes this occur when actually writing.  So when I put the period on any of these sentences it is not announced at all, nor are the letters as I type or the words as I complete them.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

As Sarah has mentioned, it depends on how and when you want a given thing pronounced.   NVDA, like most complex software, is highly configurable, but you (or I, when advising) have to know exactly what the circumstance is when "dot" is being pronounced where you'd prefer period instead.

I will always presume this is when you're going character by character, and hitting punctuation marks, unless specified otherwise.  It also matters where.  There is the sentence ending period and there is the period used elsewhere, and those are considered separate instances of the character.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019