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Re: Sharing Miranda NG packs

mk360
 

Ok, I understand. The version that I'm using is accessible, but some things that you describe, for example ability to go to the contact list with alt tab are not present or are in some setting that I don't know how is named. However, personally I prefer the Miranda NG on the systray, but that is not the thing, and other things souns interesting to me.

Well... your version is portable or you installed it? if is portable, I think you can copy that on other folder, open the copy and remove your accounts, your history, etc etc.

El 02/05/2020 a las 14:11, Robert Kingett escribió:

The accessible pack for blind folks I downloaded years ago and have since upgraded, changes a lot of things that make managing windows easier for screen reader folks and a bunch of other stuff, such as the ability to alt tab to your contact list, the ability to alt tab to various chat windows. Disables certain settings that interfere with chat histories and otherwise, like avatars, and more, but I can't remember all the changes.

I also can't seem to find the old link to the old blind accessible version. As I said, I'd be more than willing to share my version if I knew how to expoirt the settings without exposing my various accounts.


Re: Sharing Miranda NG packs

 

The accessible pack for blind folks I downloaded years ago and have since upgraded, changes a lot of things that make managing windows easier for screen reader folks and a bunch of other stuff, such as the ability to alt tab to your contact list, the ability to alt tab to various chat windows. Disables certain settings that interfere with chat histories and otherwise, like avatars, and more, but I can't remember all the changes.

I also can't seem to find the old link to the old blind accessible version. As I said, I'd be more than willing to share my version if I knew how to expoirt the settings without exposing my various accounts.


Re: Sharing Miranda NG packs

mk360
 

What is the Miranda NG accessible pack, or what it changes? The question is because when I install the program, if I choose full install, I can choose between different contact lists for the contact lists, if I remember correctly modern, clasic and contact list for blind folks.

Is that the change? or the Miranda NG that you're speaking has other changes?


Regards,

mk.

El 02/05/2020 a las 13:09, Robert Kingett escribió:

I'm sharing the page for Miranda NG Packs. This page doesn't have the blind centric pack, but the Sebijk Edition says it's accessible to blind people. I'm still using the blind version of Miranda NG I got years ago, from Andre Louis, or whatever his name is.

If I knew how, I'd love to make a pack and share it with you all, but I can't figure out how to export everything except my various accounts. Anyway, try the below.


Re: NVDA Settings Questions

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Thank you Brian that worked.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 1:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Settings Questions

 

Then, do as I did.  In the Punctuation and symbols dialog search at the top for the word, "dot".   It only comes up about five times, and two of those are for the sentence ending period and the straight single period character.  Change both of those instances to "period" for the replacement instead of dot.  And unless you want ellipses read as period period period rather than dot dot dot leave those instances alone.
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Re: Punctation and Symbols Settings

Karl-Heinz Arkenau <kha@...>
 

Hello,

thank you for the good explenation.

Of course, alls this makes (at leeast to me, somewehere in the word mey be someone with a different opinion...) sense...but I was wondering this "sentence ending" because it is not mentionend anywhere in die Users Guide and that made me curios and I couldn't let go of it. It's my nature..sorry if it was disturbing.

Greetings

Karl-Heinz

Am 02.05.2020 um 18:25 schrieb Brian Vogel:

I don't know how to make the explanation "sentence ending" more clear, but I'll try.  It means a period at the end of a sentence, like this one.   It does not mean a decimal point, like this, 151.20, or a date separator, like this, 2020.05.02, or any one of a number of other contexts where a period might be used other than as the terminal punctuation on a sentence.

Any of the punctuation settings that "come with" NVDA are given by NVDA and some, like this one, cannot be removed (and who would want to?).  I feel fairly certain that the descriptive phrase, "period, sentence ending," is, under the hood, a regular expression that catches the character before the period, the period itself, and makes sure that there is white space of some sort following it or that it is the very end of a string with nothing after it.  That would not be a clearer explanation to the majority of people than, "period, sentence ending."

I do not see any way to give the sentence ending attribute to some random other symbol, but why would one want to do so?  Off the top of my head, the three sentence ending punctuation marks in most (not all) European languages are period, question mark, and exclamation point.   All those are already covered by what "comes with" the NVDA punctuation characters list, though you could choose to modify what's announced.  Just the other day someone was asking about forcing sentence ending exclamation point to be pronounced as exclamation point rather than bang when reading at the punctuation level, which you can do by changing the replacement word from "bang" to the two words "exclamation point."  There is a separate entry for the exclamation point symbol, in a non-sentence ending context, that uses bang as its replacement.  If you do a lot of programming where the exclamation point is used for negation, and you're having that read, it's a lot faster and cleaner to hear something like, "If bang A," rather than, "If exclamation point A," since bang has been used as the shorthand name for exclamation point for a very long time now.
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Re: NVDA Settings Questions

 

Then, do as I did.  In the Punctuation and symbols dialog search at the top for the word, "dot".   It only comes up about five times, and two of those are for the sentence ending period and the straight single period character.  Change both of those instances to "period" for the replacement instead of dot.  And unless you want ellipses read as period period period rather than dot dot dot leave those instances alone.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: NVDA Settings Questions

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

After I write the last word of the sentence and press period it speaks it as dot.  This is not what I want.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Settings Questions

 

Dennis,

              This is a serious question:  When did it say it as dot?

              In playing with this, until I set both the period, sentence ending to read as period instead of dot, and set the straight period character to read as period instead of dot, if I wrote a sentence with a terminal period and then began backspacing out characters it would read as dot.   Once both were set to period then it was reading as period.  This suggests to me that when backspacing out characters to delete them NVDA is matching characters as single characters (which makes sense) rather than trying to use sentence context.  I don't want punctuation pronounced as a general rule, so I have not turned on anything that makes this occur when actually writing.  So when I put the period on any of these sentences it is not announced at all, nor are the letters as I type or the words as I complete them.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: NVDA Settings Questions

 

Dennis,

              This is a serious question:  When did it say it as dot?

              In playing with this, until I set both the period, sentence ending to read as period instead of dot, and set the straight period character to read as period instead of dot, if I wrote a sentence with a terminal period and then began backspacing out characters it would read as dot.   Once both were set to period then it was reading as period.  This suggests to me that when backspacing out characters to delete them NVDA is matching characters as single characters (which makes sense) rather than trying to use sentence context.  I don't want punctuation pronounced as a general rule, so I have not turned on anything that makes this occur when actually writing.  So when I put the period on any of these sentences it is not announced at all, nor are the letters as I type or the words as I complete them.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: NVDA Settings Questions

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Okay let me give an example.  I just wrote okay let me give an example when I put the period it spoke that as dot and not period.  That is what I want changed.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 1:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Settings Questions

 

As Sarah has mentioned, it depends on how and when you want a given thing pronounced.   NVDA, like most complex software, is highly configurable, but you (or I, when advising) have to know exactly what the circumstance is when "dot" is being pronounced where you'd prefer period instead.

I will always presume this is when you're going character by character, and hitting punctuation marks, unless specified otherwise.  It also matters where.  There is the sentence ending period and there is the period used elsewhere, and those are considered separate instances of the character.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: NVDA Settings Questions

 

As Sarah has mentioned, it depends on how and when you want a given thing pronounced.   NVDA, like most complex software, is highly configurable, but you (or I, when advising) have to know exactly what the circumstance is when "dot" is being pronounced where you'd prefer period instead.

I will always presume this is when you're going character by character, and hitting punctuation marks, unless specified otherwise.  It also matters where.  There is the sentence ending period and there is the period used elsewhere, and those are considered separate instances of the character.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Sharing Miranda NG packs

David Csercsics
 

Might be worth using for IRC, or similar, I'll have to look at this, thanks.


Sharing Miranda NG packs

 

I'm sharing the page for Miranda NG Packs. This page doesn't have the blind centric pack, but the Sebijk Edition says it's accessible to blind people. I'm still using the blind version of Miranda NG I got years ago, from Andre Louis, or whatever his name is.

If I knew how, I'd love to make a pack and share it with you all, but I can't figure out how to export everything except my various accounts. Anyway, try the below.


Re: NVDA Settings Questions

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

I changed it it still says dot.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 12:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Settings Questions

 

You can change what NVDA says for any punctuation or symbol in the Punctuation and Symbols settings, NVDA+N,P,P.  I presume you mean the period at the end of a sentence, in which case the very first item you will see in the list is for the period, sentence ending, with its replacement as "dot."  If you get yourself to the Replacement box, erase dot, type period (spelled out), and hit the OK button that will be changed.

I'll leave the other two to others.
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Re: NVDA Settings Questions

Sarah k Alawami
 

I believe some of this can be found in settings. For example hit nvda p to get your symbol level, and for the dot instead of period go to the dictionary settings. I believe some of this was discussed at length in the list archives.

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On 2 May 2020, at 9:43, Dennis L wrote:

Hi, I have used Jaws for years.  I’m giving NVDA another look.  When I’m writing an email it says dot instead of period.  How do I change this?  Is there any way to turn off column 4 row 3 etc. when on a webpage? Is there anyway when using outlook as your typing who the message is to to have the auto complete suggest automatically spoken?


Re: NVDA Settings Questions

 

You can change what NVDA says for any punctuation or symbol in the Punctuation and Symbols settings, NVDA+N,P,P.  I presume you mean the period at the end of a sentence, in which case the very first item you will see in the list is for the period, sentence ending, with its replacement as "dot."  If you get yourself to the Replacement box, erase dot, type period (spelled out), and hit the OK button that will be changed.

I'll leave the other two to others.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


NVDA Settings Questions

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Hi, I have used Jaws for years.  I’m giving NVDA another look.  When I’m writing an email it says dot instead of period.  How do I change this?  Is there any way to turn off column 4 row 3 etc. when on a webpage? Is there anyway when using outlook as your typing who the message is to to have the auto complete suggest automatically spoken?


Re: NVDA list accessibility

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

NVDA doesn't have a PC cursor like Jaws. Browse mode is like the PC cursor.



On 5/2/2020 1:09 AM, bhanu computer wrote:
i am asking how to press PC cursor in NVDA is there a way


Re: Punctation and Symbols Settings

 

I don't know how to make the explanation "sentence ending" more clear, but I'll try.  It means a period at the end of a sentence, like this one.   It does not mean a decimal point, like this, 151.20, or a date separator, like this, 2020.05.02, or any one of a number of other contexts where a period might be used other than as the terminal punctuation on a sentence.

Any of the punctuation settings that "come with" NVDA are given by NVDA and some, like this one, cannot be removed (and who would want to?).  I feel fairly certain that the descriptive phrase, "period, sentence ending," is, under the hood, a regular expression that catches the character before the period, the period itself, and makes sure that there is white space of some sort following it or that it is the very end of a string with nothing after it.  That would not be a clearer explanation to the majority of people than, "period, sentence ending."

I do not see any way to give the sentence ending attribute to some random other symbol, but why would one want to do so?  Off the top of my head, the three sentence ending punctuation marks in most (not all) European languages are period, question mark, and exclamation point.   All those are already covered by what "comes with" the NVDA punctuation characters list, though you could choose to modify what's announced.  Just the other day someone was asking about forcing sentence ending exclamation point to be pronounced as exclamation point rather than bang when reading at the punctuation level, which you can do by changing the replacement word from "bang" to the two words "exclamation point."  There is a separate entry for the exclamation point symbol, in a non-sentence ending context, that uses bang as its replacement.  If you do a lot of programming where the exclamation point is used for negation, and you're having that read, it's a lot faster and cleaner to hear something like, "If bang A," rather than, "If exclamation point A," since bang has been used as the shorthand name for exclamation point for a very long time now.
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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Punctation and Symbols Settings

Karl-Heinz Arkenau <kha@...>
 

^Hey there,

ok, than a little bit more specific. ;-)


In my installation of NVDA the first linein the list of interpunction and symbols it says:

".senntence ending", "replace by ."," Level: All"and in the last column(Keep" it says "always.
My question now ist: "What does these "endeing sentence" mean? Can I add this the any other sign? Or is this given by NVDA?

I hope it is a little more specific now.

Yours

Karl-Heinz".

Am 02.05.2020 um 16:48 schrieb Brian Vogel:

Unless you can tell us what it is you'd like to change, specifically, it's impossible to say.  You can certainly modify the attributes on anything in that list in the dialog, whether it will achieve what you want to do is another matter.  You can add items to the list as well.

No one can give specific guidance for an utterly unspecific question.  The most specific I can get is, "Yes, you can change those settings."
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Re: Punctation and Symbols Settings

 

Unless you can tell us what it is you'd like to change, specifically, it's impossible to say.  You can certainly modify the attributes on anything in that list in the dialog, whether it will achieve what you want to do is another matter.  You can add items to the list as well.

No one can give specific guidance for an utterly unspecific question.  The most specific I can get is, "Yes, you can change those settings."
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019