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Re: NVDA Settings Questions

Luke Davis
 

On Sat, 2 May 2020, Dennis L wrote:

Is there any way to turn off column 4 row 3 etc. when on a webpage?
I believe you are asking how you can turn off column and row announcements in tables.
To do that, you want to go to your Document Formatting settings, and uncheck "cell coordinates".
The short way of getting there is: NVDA+Ctrl+D, alt+O. Space to uncheck the box, then press enter.

Your period question has already been answered, and I don't know about auto suggest lists in Outlook, so can't help there.

Luke


Re: Any desktop client for twitter with NVDA

 

If Tween is working, but not OpenTween, how is Tween not blocked from Twitter but OpenTween is?


Re: What'sapp on PC?

jazzyjennifer
 

does anyone know where i can get the short cut keys from, on the web sight i did not know there were any for whatsapp on the computer, thanks any help would be great!


Re: Any desktop client for twitter with NVDA

jazzyjennifer
 

wow the qube, did not think that client still worked, i had it along time ago. i use tween. casue all my buffers update the right way, with it,


Re: Sharing Miranda NG packs

mk360
 

Ok. I was experimenting for some hours and apparently all configurations can be replied in the official Miranda NG program. So, the thing is what are the best configurations to use Miranda NG with NVDA? I've for now the plugin for blind folks, Changed some parameters to has a better chat Window, for example remove the toolbar, load the history, change other things. Nut, for example, in a spanish forum someone recommends to change on the window options, verify "Tool style main window" and he says that it will put Miranda NG in the alt tab circle, but in my case that not worked.

However, for now I think I'll stop experimenting, because one change that i Did has unexpected results, and I don't know how to revert it, but if any Miranda's NVDA user has comments about its configuration can be useful.


Regards,

mk.

El 02/05/2020 a las 15:58, Robert Kingett escribió:

I'm running the version with the new Facebook plugin, Miranda NG 0.95.2. By the way, not sure why I can't copy what NVDA says to the clipboard in that about dialog box. My version is the latest version, and, as I said previously, all packages have been updated. I didn't just get the blind version and not update it, you know. LOL! But after dinner, I'll remove all my account stuff and share it somewhere. It's portable. It's not the installed version. Got it! See below.

About Miranda NG dialog Copyright © 2000-11 Miranda IM, 2012-20 Miranda NG team. This software is released under the terms of the GNU General Public License. Miranda NG v0.95.11 build #22551 (2e38b4587f) Copyright © 2000-11 Miranda IM, 2012-20 Miranda NG team. This software is released under the terms of the GNU General Public License. Vertical 0 Used to change the vertical viewing area Copyright NVDA Speech Viewer dialog
Public dialog
Show Speech Viewer on Startup check box not checked Alt+s


Re: Sharing Miranda NG packs

 

I have not doodled with this but I may try to experiment with miranda ng myself.

I have no need for it now but I will try to make my own blind version and see what it does.



On 3/05/2020 5:09 am, Robert Kingett wrote:

I'm sharing the page for Miranda NG Packs. This page doesn't have the blind centric pack, but the Sebijk Edition says it's accessible to blind people. I'm still using the blind version of Miranda NG I got years ago, from Andre Louis, or whatever his name is.

If I knew how, I'd love to make a pack and share it with you all, but I can't figure out how to export everything except my various accounts. Anyway, try the below.


Re: Sharing Miranda NG packs

 

I'm running the version with the new Facebook plugin, Miranda NG 0.95.2. By the way, not sure why I can't copy what NVDA says to the clipboard in that about dialog box. My version is the latest version, and, as I said previously, all packages have been updated. I didn't just get the blind version and not update it, you know. LOL! But after dinner, I'll remove all my account stuff and share it somewhere. It's portable. It's not the installed version. Got it! See below.

About Miranda NG dialog Copyright © 2000-11 Miranda IM, 2012-20 Miranda NG team. This software is released under the terms of the GNU General Public License. Miranda NG v0.95.11 build #22551 (2e38b4587f) Copyright © 2000-11 Miranda IM, 2012-20 Miranda NG team. This software is released under the terms of the GNU General Public License. Vertical 0 Used to change the vertical viewing area Copyright NVDA Speech Viewer dialog
Public dialog
Show Speech Viewer on Startup check box not checked Alt+s


Re: NVDA list accessibility

 

Hi,
What JAWS calls PC cursor, NVDA sees it as system focus and caret. As Gene explained, browse mode in NVDA is equivalent (somewhat) to virtual PC cursor with forms mode off.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 12:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA list accessibility

Browse mode is not like the PC cursor. Browse Mode is equivalent to the Virtual PC Cursor in JAWS and has nothing to do with the PC cursor.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2020 11:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA list accessibility



NVDA doesn't have a PC cursor like Jaws. Browse mode is like the PC cursor.







On 5/2/2020 1:09 AM, bhanu computer wrote:
i am asking how to press PC cursor in NVDA is there a way


Re: NVDA list accessibility

Gene
 

Browse mode is not like the PC cursor. Browse Mode is equivalent to the Virtual PC Cursor in JAWS and has nothing to do with the PC cursor.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2020 11:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA list accessibility



NVDA doesn't have a PC cursor like Jaws. Browse mode is like the PC cursor.







On 5/2/2020 1:09 AM, bhanu computer wrote:
i am asking how to press PC cursor in NVDA is there a way


Re: NVDA Settings Questions

 

Hi,

For table row/column, you need to turn off “Cell coordinates" Checkbox from NVDA’s document formatting list (NVDA menu/Preferences/Settings/document formatting/tables group; CAUTION: do not turn off cell coordinates while using Excel, as it will prevent NVDA from announcing which cell you are working on).

As for auto-complete in Outlook, it is already working, although it doesn’t work properly if one is using an older build of Office 365 or earlier version of Office.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 11:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] remaining NVDA questions

 

?  Is there any way to turn off column 4 row 3 etc. when on a webpage? Is there anyway when using outlook  to  have the auto complete suggestions automatically spoken?


Re: Punctation and Symbols Settings

 

Hi,

At least you can change how NVDA will say it (you can’t change the qualifier part of that entry though).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 11:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctation and Symbols Settings

 

On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 02:41 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

I recommend not editing the first few entries (such as ". sentence ending"),

Even if the edit is only to what the replacement word is?  (Yes, this is a serious question, as I can see how many might prefer "period" to "dot." I leave all else alone).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Punctation and Symbols Settings

 

Hi,
Not necessarily, as the goal of the user guide is to provide a high-level overview and basic instructions for using NVDA. A better place for this kind of discussion would be developer guide. At the moment I'm reluctant to suggest changes to developer guide, as developers are focusing on backlog of bug fix requests and pull requests.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karl-Heinz Arkenau
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 11:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctation and Symbols Settings

Ok,

that also make sense...but perhabs this should also be mentionend in die Users Guide...in my opinion.

Yours

Karl-Heinz Arkenau

Am 02.05.2020 um 20:41 schrieb Joseph Lee:
Hi,
I recommend not editing the first few entries (such as ". sentence ending"), as they are reserved for use when processing characters (there is a dedicated module in NVDA that will look for these and take appropriate action).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Karl-Heinz Arkenau
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 10:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctation and Symbols Settings

Hello,

thank you for the good explenation.

Of course, alls this makes (at leeast to me, somewehere in the word mey be someone with a different opinion...) sense...but I was wondering this "sentence ending" because it is not mentionend anywhere in die Users Guide and that made me curios and I couldn't let go of it. It's my nature..sorry if it was disturbing.

Greetings

Karl-Heinz

Am 02.05.2020 um 18:25 schrieb Brian Vogel:
I don't know how to make the explanation "sentence ending" more clear, but I'll try. It means a period at the end of a sentence, like this one. It does not mean a decimal point, like this, 151.20, or a date separator, like this, 2020.05.02, or any one of a number of other contexts where a period might be used other than as the terminal punctuation on a sentence.

Any of the punctuation settings that "come with" NVDA are given by NVDA and some, like this one, cannot be removed (and who would want to?). I feel fairly certain that the descriptive phrase, "period, sentence ending," is, under the hood, a regular expression that catches the character before the period, the period itself, and makes sure that there is white space of some sort following it or that it is the very end of a string with nothing after it. That would not be a clearer explanation to the majority of people than, "period, sentence ending."

I do not see any way to give the sentence ending attribute to some random other symbol, but why would one want to do so? Off the top of my head, the three sentence ending punctuation marks in most (not all) European languages are period, question mark, and exclamation point. All those are already covered by what "comes with" the NVDA punctuation characters list, though you could choose to modify what's announced. Just the other day someone was asking about forcing sentence ending exclamation point to be pronounced as exclamation point rather than bang when reading at the punctuation level, which you can do by changing the replacement word from "bang" to the two words "exclamation point." There is a separate entry for the exclamation point symbol, in a non-sentence ending context, that uses bang as its replacement. If you do a lot of programming where the exclamation point is used for negation, and you're having that read, it's a lot faster and cleaner to hear something like, "If bang A," rather than, "If exclamation point A," since bang has been used as the shorthand name for exclamation point for a very long time now.
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

*Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth.*

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine
Sentiment Took Hold in the United States (
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-u
s
.html ) , September 23, 2019








Re: Punctation and Symbols Settings

Karl-Heinz Arkenau <kha@...>
 

Ok,

that also make sense...but perhabs this should also be mentionend in die Users Guide...in my opinion.

Yours

Karl-Heinz Arkenau

Am 02.05.2020 um 20:41 schrieb Joseph Lee:

Hi,
I recommend not editing the first few entries (such as ". sentence ending"), as they are reserved for use when processing characters (there is a dedicated module in NVDA that will look for these and take appropriate action).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karl-Heinz Arkenau
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 10:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctation and Symbols Settings

Hello,

thank you for the good explenation.

Of course, alls this makes (at leeast to me, somewehere in the word mey be someone with a different opinion...) sense...but I was wondering this "sentence ending" because it is not mentionend anywhere in die Users Guide and that made me curios and I couldn't let go of it. It's my nature..sorry if it was disturbing.

Greetings

Karl-Heinz

Am 02.05.2020 um 18:25 schrieb Brian Vogel:
I don't know how to make the explanation "sentence ending" more clear, but I'll try. It means a period at the end of a sentence, like this one. It does not mean a decimal point, like this, 151.20, or a date separator, like this, 2020.05.02, or any one of a number of other contexts where a period might be used other than as the terminal punctuation on a sentence.

Any of the punctuation settings that "come with" NVDA are given by NVDA and some, like this one, cannot be removed (and who would want to?). I feel fairly certain that the descriptive phrase, "period, sentence ending," is, under the hood, a regular expression that catches the character before the period, the period itself, and makes sure that there is white space of some sort following it or that it is the very end of a string with nothing after it. That would not be a clearer explanation to the majority of people than, "period, sentence ending."

I do not see any way to give the sentence ending attribute to some random other symbol, but why would one want to do so? Off the top of my head, the three sentence ending punctuation marks in most (not all) European languages are period, question mark, and exclamation point. All those are already covered by what "comes with" the NVDA punctuation characters list, though you could choose to modify what's announced. Just the other day someone was asking about forcing sentence ending exclamation point to be pronounced as exclamation point rather than bang when reading at the punctuation level, which you can do by changing the replacement word from "bang" to the two words "exclamation point." There is a separate entry for the exclamation point symbol, in a non-sentence ending context, that uses bang as its replacement. If you do a lot of programming where the exclamation point is used for negation, and you're having that read, it's a lot faster and cleaner to hear something like, "If bang A," rather than, "If exclamation point A," since bang has been used as the shorthand name for exclamation point for a very long time now.
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

*Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth.*

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine
Sentiment Took Hold in the United States (
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us
.html ) , September 23, 2019







Re: Punctation and Symbols Settings

 

On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 02:41 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
I recommend not editing the first few entries (such as ". sentence ending"),
Even if the edit is only to what the replacement word is?  (Yes, this is a serious question, as I can see how many might prefer "period" to "dot." I leave all else alone).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Punctation and Symbols Settings

 

Hi,
I recommend not editing the first few entries (such as ". sentence ending"), as they are reserved for use when processing characters (there is a dedicated module in NVDA that will look for these and take appropriate action).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karl-Heinz Arkenau
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 10:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctation and Symbols Settings

Hello,

thank you for the good explenation.

Of course, alls this makes (at leeast to me, somewehere in the word mey be someone with a different opinion...) sense...but I was wondering this "sentence ending" because it is not mentionend anywhere in die Users Guide and that made me curios and I couldn't let go of it. It's my nature..sorry if it was disturbing.

Greetings

Karl-Heinz

Am 02.05.2020 um 18:25 schrieb Brian Vogel:
I don't know how to make the explanation "sentence ending" more clear, but I'll try. It means a period at the end of a sentence, like this one. It does not mean a decimal point, like this, 151.20, or a date separator, like this, 2020.05.02, or any one of a number of other contexts where a period might be used other than as the terminal punctuation on a sentence.

Any of the punctuation settings that "come with" NVDA are given by NVDA and some, like this one, cannot be removed (and who would want to?). I feel fairly certain that the descriptive phrase, "period, sentence ending," is, under the hood, a regular expression that catches the character before the period, the period itself, and makes sure that there is white space of some sort following it or that it is the very end of a string with nothing after it. That would not be a clearer explanation to the majority of people than, "period, sentence ending."

I do not see any way to give the sentence ending attribute to some random other symbol, but why would one want to do so? Off the top of my head, the three sentence ending punctuation marks in most (not all) European languages are period, question mark, and exclamation point. All those are already covered by what "comes with" the NVDA punctuation characters list, though you could choose to modify what's announced. Just the other day someone was asking about forcing sentence ending exclamation point to be pronounced as exclamation point rather than bang when reading at the punctuation level, which you can do by changing the replacement word from "bang" to the two words "exclamation point." There is a separate entry for the exclamation point symbol, in a non-sentence ending context, that uses bang as its replacement. If you do a lot of programming where the exclamation point is used for negation, and you're having that read, it's a lot faster and cleaner to hear something like, "If bang A," rather than, "If exclamation point A," since bang has been used as the shorthand name for exclamation point for a very long time now.
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

*Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth.*

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine
Sentiment Took Hold in the United States (
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us
.html ) , September 23, 2019




Re: Sharing Miranda NG packs

Ali Savas
 

You write that you downloaded the package years ago. I'm not sure if
your package is still compatible with the latest Miranda NG version. In
the meantime a lot of changes have been made to Miranda NG, including
very big changes to the Facebook library. Also Discord support was added
some time ago.

In my opinion it would be better to inform the developers about this
issue and work together on what they could improve instead of making a
separate package, which might get further and further away from the
original Miranda NG project.

Finally, I would like to note that this topic may not fit into the list
here. Only topics concerning NVDA should be discussed here.


Re: Sharing Miranda NG packs

mk360
 

Ok, I understand. The version that I'm using is accessible, but some things that you describe, for example ability to go to the contact list with alt tab are not present or are in some setting that I don't know how is named. However, personally I prefer the Miranda NG on the systray, but that is not the thing, and other things souns interesting to me.

Well... your version is portable or you installed it? if is portable, I think you can copy that on other folder, open the copy and remove your accounts, your history, etc etc.

El 02/05/2020 a las 14:11, Robert Kingett escribió:

The accessible pack for blind folks I downloaded years ago and have since upgraded, changes a lot of things that make managing windows easier for screen reader folks and a bunch of other stuff, such as the ability to alt tab to your contact list, the ability to alt tab to various chat windows. Disables certain settings that interfere with chat histories and otherwise, like avatars, and more, but I can't remember all the changes.

I also can't seem to find the old link to the old blind accessible version. As I said, I'd be more than willing to share my version if I knew how to expoirt the settings without exposing my various accounts.


Re: Sharing Miranda NG packs

 

The accessible pack for blind folks I downloaded years ago and have since upgraded, changes a lot of things that make managing windows easier for screen reader folks and a bunch of other stuff, such as the ability to alt tab to your contact list, the ability to alt tab to various chat windows. Disables certain settings that interfere with chat histories and otherwise, like avatars, and more, but I can't remember all the changes.

I also can't seem to find the old link to the old blind accessible version. As I said, I'd be more than willing to share my version if I knew how to expoirt the settings without exposing my various accounts.


Re: Sharing Miranda NG packs

mk360
 

What is the Miranda NG accessible pack, or what it changes? The question is because when I install the program, if I choose full install, I can choose between different contact lists for the contact lists, if I remember correctly modern, clasic and contact list for blind folks.

Is that the change? or the Miranda NG that you're speaking has other changes?


Regards,

mk.

El 02/05/2020 a las 13:09, Robert Kingett escribió:

I'm sharing the page for Miranda NG Packs. This page doesn't have the blind centric pack, but the Sebijk Edition says it's accessible to blind people. I'm still using the blind version of Miranda NG I got years ago, from Andre Louis, or whatever his name is.

If I knew how, I'd love to make a pack and share it with you all, but I can't figure out how to export everything except my various accounts. Anyway, try the below.


Re: NVDA Settings Questions

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Thank you Brian that worked.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 1:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Settings Questions

 

Then, do as I did.  In the Punctuation and symbols dialog search at the top for the word, "dot".   It only comes up about five times, and two of those are for the sentence ending period and the straight single period character.  Change both of those instances to "period" for the replacement instead of dot.  And unless you want ellipses read as period period period rather than dot dot dot leave those instances alone.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019