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Re: thunderbird gmail notice

 

Well that setting seems no more.

Its still working in my dad's outlook but I can't seem to find how to switch the security protocols.

Google seems to have started getting rid of all less secure access on their accounts and seem to slowly be roling out killing apps that are not secured.

Sadly outlook seems to be one of these apps, for what its worth its still working here but who knows what happens if I need to reload the account or it suddenly stops.

On 5/05/2020 12:17 am, Luke Davis wrote:
For what it's worth, my old alpine text based client in Linux is still accessing gmail just fine with the same old IMAP over SSL I've always used.

Every once in a while, they make me log in to their site and re-enable the old/less secure apps setting, but they haven't done so in at least six months.

Luke


Excess verbosity when tabbing through tables in MS Word

Rick
 

Hello:

 

With the latest release candidate (RC1) of NVDA, when I tab through a table in MS Word, it speaks the text in the next table cell followed by the same text saying selected and then speaking the deselected text from the previous cell. Is there a way to disable this behavior? Jaws only speaks the cell content of the new cell selected.

 

Using One Core voices, latest version of office 365, Windows 10 pro.

 

Rick

 

Rick Blair

603 512-1699, cell

603 382-3335, home

 


Re: thunderbird gmail notice

Luke Davis
 

For what it's worth, my old alpine text based client in Linux is still accessing gmail just fine with the same old IMAP over SSL I've always used.

Every once in a while, they make me log in to their site and re-enable the old/less secure apps setting, but they haven't done so in at least six months.

Luke


thunderbird gmail notice

 

Hi all.

Please forward this out to anyone that uses thunderbird.

Note it may effect other clients.

Google seems to have quietly changed their security policy reguarding logins.

In short google will no longer accept normal passwords.

It was fine a little while ago, now it aint.

To fix, you need to go to tools, alt t and navigate to accounts and hit enter.

Select your account which will be your email address or the name you called it.

Next scroll down the tree view to server settings and tab all the way to authentication.

Next in the box talking about authentication press end or hit the down arrow till you hear o auth2 or till you can't go any lower.

Hit ok.

It appears that google no longer allows normal unencripted passwords to be sent to its server.

That is a good thing.

However unless I have been living in a dungeon they never told us about it.

So if you use a normal password you will get a message saying "username and account not accepted."

This message is not helpfull at the least.

The first thing I did was look at the password and check security events.

There were a few I had to confirm but they were not my issue.

I then deleted and recreated the account then renamed the account.

I then tried all the incription methods to see what it was and then well it worked.

On the pluss side the fully incripted logins seem to work much faster than they used to.

It appears that outlook is not effected.

I really wish google gave me a better error message, ie to the effect I needed to visit their site then when I logged in explain they had changed things but no, to much to ask for during a lockdown.


On the google point, how do I remove access to apps, I can see removal buttons but can't click them.

Shaun


Re: Difference between codefactory and Tiflotecnia Vocalizer

The Gamages
 

Using Code factory and the Serena voice, if I uncheck the box to say cap
on a capital letter, it does not say cap, but it says capital instead,
perhaps this will be corrected n a different build later, I hope so.



Best Regards, Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Wocher
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 6:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Difference between codefactory and Tiflotecnia
Vocalizer

Hello,
I was just checking to see if the code factory vocalizer did not change
pitch for capital letters. It does change pitch for me. I did notice
that with certain voices, nathan for example, it worked on some letters
but not others. I found that the female voices did do better than the
male ones with Karen being the best. I also set the pitch change from 30
to 50.

Greg Wocher


On May 3, 2020, at 9:37 AM, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:

I have the code factory vocalizer NVDA addon that I purchased from
ATGuys. My only issue with them is the fact that the raise pitch on
capital letteers does not work.

On 5/3/2020 6:03 AM, luke scholey wrote:
Hi all

Hope everyone’s safe and well.

Just a quick question, can someone give me a comparison of the
Vocalizer (I’m only interested in vocalizer) offerings between the
codefactory addon and the Tiflotecnia addon.

I want to know about the quality, responsiveness, number of voices
available (they both say the same amount on the website) however
Tiflotecnia’s voice page doesn’t seem to offer as many as
codefactory, if there’s updates, how easy is that? Do you need to
deactivate to do windows updates?

I’m just looking for someone who’s used one or both for a long time
who can tell me straight up how they perform.

Thanks for any advice, I know things like this have been covered
before, I’ve had a look but they’re spread far and wide over several
topics
Luke





Re: Are these buttons? or links or links in buttons but not spoken out?

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 11:26 PM, Gene wrote:
Just because something is there doesn't mean it is necessary.
And there are plenty of things that are there explicitly for the sighted, as webpages are a visual medium, that are accessed slightly differently, but where the same things are accessible via screen reader using conventional elements as well.

I have seen (and not on this group, I might add) tons of screaming about "discrimination" against blind folks that I, personally, think is simply not there.  Web pages will never be primarily designed for screen reader users.  Things like hotspots will be used because they are incredibly enticing to the main target demographic:  sighted individuals.  That same target demographic makes up the vast majority of users.

If what I or anyone who sees get to one way, but you can get to just as easily via another, and that other is a conventional element like a link, header, button, etc., it's a difference, period, and one that makes sense.  There is no way (or reason) to make a hotspot where I can click anywhere in it to get to the product's own page otherwise accessible when the very link that I go to when I click anywhere in the hotspot is an actual heading in the page itself that reads with the exact product name (in the case of the Kogan website).  You can get to anything I can get to, and you will have the screen reader reading the exact thing I see in the image that makes up the hotspot text.

The Kogan site, from everything I can determine, is as accessible to a screen reader user, using conventional features of a screen reader, as it is to me via point and click.  That's all it needs to be in order to be accessible.  And given how visually cluttered it is, and as perverse as it sounds, doing a quick through that list of headings is in certain ways far less distracting and far more direct way of finding something.  The visual layout of that page is busy, busy, busy, busy - and that's with an ad blocking browser being used.  I can only imagine what is being blocked as far as flashing, scrolling, and other devices meant to draw attention - all of which have always made me insane - hence the reason I've employed ad blockers since the first day I knew they existed.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Cloudflare HCAPTCHA using NVDA problem

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 11:02 PM, Arno Schuh wrote:
but there is no button etc. I could press to get the code to fit in the box.
Yet, explicitly stated, above that box, is the following:  "If you are visually impaired or cannot otherwise read this code please contact the Board Administrator."

Clicking that mailto link opens a message to the board administrator in your chosen e-mail client.  I'd suggest you follow their recommendations for their site.  My guess is that once you tell the admin what the situation is they will send you an alternate registration technique or assist specifically in some other way.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Are these buttons? or links or links in buttons but not spoken out?

Gene
 

If I understand what you are saying, this is an example of something I've noticed enough to be stated as an important thing to apply. Just because something is there doesn't mean it is necessary. On the site you are discussing, You see many buttons and you see other things that appear to be useable. If you can use those other things, you may not be missing anything that matters if you can do what you want. I used to see the following a lot more but the principle still applies. I used to see sites with a lot of unlabeled links in the navigation links at the top of the page. The bottom of the page contained the same oor a lot of the same links that read properly for some reason. If I could use the site to find what I want and do what I want, I simply disregarded the top unlabeled links, especially if experimentally clicking on one or two led me to the same place as clicking on one or two of the bottom links. but that experiment, though interesting, wasn't necessary to use the page. It was just a way to see iff I was right, the the links were redundant or mostly so.

Gene

----- Original Message -----
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 7:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Are these buttons? or links or links in buttons but not spoken out?

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 07:04 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
The first website is is http://www.kogan.com

It says button then link. If navigating by links it is spoken out but not buttons. There are some that just say button.Gene,

I will stick to this website, and try as best I can to describe what's happening. The site has some (relatively few) true buttons, it has a number of links, but it is overwhelmingly populated by what was, at least when I last dealt with them, hotspots. These are graphics, generally an image of the product or class that when clicked on takes you to its page. They are, for all practical intents and purposes, buttons, but they are not button objects. What's interesting is when I use the NVDA+F7 for the NVDA elements list, if I change the element to Headings virtually all of these hotspots have individually dedicated headings (which are links themselves, contained in the hotspot), and those headings are the product name/description itself, e.g, Kogan 12 L Air Fryer, Kogan Mobile SIM - Prepaid starter pack, Trafalgar Set of 2 Hotel Quality Goose Down Pillows. If you activate the heading, you land on the link for that product and if you activate that, you are taken to its page. If you can see you can click anywhere within the hotspot border and you'll end up on the product description page, just like you would if you navigate to the heading for the product, then activate that heading link.

Brian

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth.

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019


Re: Cloudflare HCAPTCHA using NVDA problem

Arno Schuh
 


Hi,
 
as suggested on the side you mentioned below I tried it again, but it seems, that didn't solve the problem.
I tried to register on
but there is no button etc. I could press to get the code to fit in the box.
 
I use Win10 and actual Firefox. Screenreader is NVDA.
 
Yours sincerely
 
Arno
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cloudflare HCAPTCHA using NVDA problem

hello. HCAPTCHA  is accessible pleas look at https://www.hcaptcha.com/accessibility

 

 


Re: Can anybody get this website menu to work?

John Isige
 

Thanks Brian! That works in Firefox too. I think I got to that link once
but assumed there was surely other stuff, since it was a submenu. Kind
of a weird design, but that's people for you. Great instruments, kind of
odd website.

On 5/3/2020 8:32 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
In this case, "Looking after your flute," is the one and only option.

I have no trouble, using the Brave browser, NVDA's latest beta
(2020.1.rc1), using the screen reader search to find the Our Polymer
Flutes control.  When I land on it, after a second or so, the "looking
after your flute" item pops up.  I hit tab to land on it, then hit
either Enter or Spacebar to activate it, and the page for same loads.

--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

*/Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth./*

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in /New York Times/ article, /How Anti-Vaccine
Sentiment Took Hold in the United States/
<https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html>/,/September
23, 2019


Re: What'sapp on PC?

jazzyjennifer
 

so once your in side a convorsation, on whats app for pc are there any short cut keys, as far as going through different messages with in that convorsation, weather your using the web or the stand alone desk top client, i'm useing the stand alone desk top client, and i cant seam to figure out how to tell where i am at in the message threads once you have opend up a convorsation and your trying to skim through message in a sertin convorsation,


Re: Can anybody get this website menu to work?

 

In this case, "Looking after your flute," is the one and only option.

I have no trouble, using the Brave browser, NVDA's latest beta (2020.1.rc1), using the screen reader search to find the Our Polymer Flutes control.  When I land on it, after a second or so, the "looking after your flute" item pops up.  I hit tab to land on it, then hit either Enter or Spacebar to activate it, and the page for same loads.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Can anybody get this website menu to work?

John Isige
 

Usually I can get these to work by hitting space on them and then either arrowing down to the stuff inside or tabbing through them. Other times you need to route with NVDA-numpad slash and then click with numpad slash. Neither of those are working here.


https://www.mandeirishflutes.ie/


The menu in question is "our polymer flutes". If you arrow to it, after a slight pause it will say "looking after your flute". I'm guessing that's the first menu choice, but if you pick the link/button, that's not what you get to. I can't figure a way to get into the menu options to pick individual choices. I suspect it has something to do with the slideshow feature because it's hard to pin navigation down sometimes.


zoom

 

Hi.

Just wandered if there is an addon for zoom.

Things I can't do easily are things like adding and removing contacts from the keyboard, unless there is a shortcut that is.


Re: Are these buttons? or links or links in buttons but not spoken out?

 

It also appears that the TubiTV site is similar, except for what the hotspots do, which include adding a given film/show to one's queue or showing a brief preview clip.  Under each is the actual title, which is what's shown in the hotspot as the poster art for the program/film in question.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Are these buttons? or links or links in buttons but not spoken out?

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 07:04 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
The first website is is http://www.kogan.com

It says button then link. If navigating by links it is spoken out but not buttons. There are some that just say button.
Gene,

             I will stick to this website, and try as best I can to describe what's happening.  The site has some (relatively few) true buttons, it has a number of links, but it is overwhelmingly populated by what was, at least when I last dealt with them, hotspots.  These are graphics, generally an image of the product or class that when clicked on takes you to its page.  They are, for all practical intents and purposes, buttons, but they are not button objects.  What's interesting is when I use the NVDA+F7 for the NVDA elements list, if I change the element to Headings virtually all of these hotspots have individually dedicated headings (which are links themselves, contained in the hotspot), and those headings are the product name/description itself, e.g, Kogan 12 L Air Fryer, Kogan Mobile SIM - Prepaid starter pack, Trafalgar Set of 2 Hotel Quality Goose Down Pillows.  If you activate the heading, you land on the link for that product and if you activate that, you are taken to its page.  If you can see you can click anywhere within the hotspot border and you'll end up on the product description page, just like you would if you navigate to the heading for the product, then activate that heading link.

Brian
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Are these buttons? or links or links in buttons but not spoken out?

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi guys


I have been coming across websites with buttons in them. I do not mind if they are labeled correctly but then when you jump down the page with B for buttons you get a lot of unlabled ones but if i remember right will take you to a page.


Yet if you jump down by links they are spoken out.


So the question is are there links embedded into the button? but because the button is not labled as well it is not spoken out?

 A couple of websites come to mind so you can see what I mean. Even if i could lable them there are 2 many of them.


The first website is is http://www.kogan.com

It says button then link. If navigating by links it is spoken out but not buttons. There are some that just say button.


The second website is https://tubitv.com/home

In this case only buttons are spoken out some are and the rest are not.


They can not be activated the usual way with space bar or enter key but only the nvda key + enter key then it comes up with a little information.



Could this also be because they are made more for touch screens where the buttons are not spoken out correctly? or just bad website design? I mean not the website just not doing the buttons correctly.


Gene nz


Re: Difference between codefactory and Tiflotecnia Vocalizer

Clement Chou
 

Anyone notice that language switching on the code factory version of
vocalizer seems to be unreliable at best? Even with boxes checked both
in the vocalizer settings as well as the actual NVDA voice settings?

On 5/3/20, Greg Wocher <gwocher@...> wrote:
Hello,
The Tiflotecnia one sounds a bit more gravelly than the code factory one. At
least it does on my computer.

Greg Wocher


On May 3, 2020, at 1:51 PM, Jesse Farquharson <jesse100rules@...>
wrote:

Sounds better in what way? I'm curious.





Re: Difference between codefactory and Tiflotecnia Vocalizer

Greg Wocher
 

Hello,
The Tiflotecnia one sounds a bit more gravelly than the code factory one. At least it does on my computer.

Greg Wocher


On May 3, 2020, at 1:51 PM, Jesse Farquharson <jesse100rules@...> wrote:

Sounds better in what way? I'm curious.



Sharing my configured Miranda NG.

 

I had the old EXE file, which was a zip, of the old blind version of Miranda NG. So, what I did is install the old blind version, updated everything, removed some useless things like flashing icons, changed a few settings so chats are in separate windows rather than one multi tabbed window, gotten rid of that extremely nonsensical weather plugin, gotten rid of that weird splash screen plugin, installed the speak plugin and configured it with a custom message, made it so that it reads all incoming chat using SAPI 5.

Note that the speak plugin won't read chat rooms, just single chat sessions.

I decided to have a little fun. When you open the Miranda NG for the first time, it should speak, Robert Kingett is exceedingly handsome.

Have fun! If someone could host this long term, that would be great. When it first loads, you have to add your accounts. Press the alt key, and go down to accounts.

Anyway, have fun. It's portable so if you don't like what I've changed, feel free to change it.

below the link, I'll explain how to change that startup message.

Download from Google Drive.

Changing the startup message.

  1. After Miranda NG Loads, press alt.
  2. Hit down arrow until you get to options.
  3. after you are in options, hit shift tab. You will land on a tree view. Collapse all expanded sections, then look for the speech section.
  4. After expanding, speak, go to the engine/voice section.
  5. Tab until you hear, welcome message, edit box. Change it to whatever you want.
  6. Tab to, Apply.
  7. Shift tab to, OK.