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locked Re: wxpython

Andy B.
 

Specifying locations of WX controls is completely feasible for a blind person. After all, this is why I am writing a getting’s started guide for Developer toolkit. It solves this very problem.

 

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From: Sean
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 1:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] wxpython

 

Two values are written to pos. The values are tuple.
X and Y coordinates.
X horizontal, Y vertical.

But this approach is not a good approach for a blind programmer. Because items on the screen will overlap frequently.
The order of Pixels changes on each screen. For example 1320x720


I recommend setting the sizer system to Grid.
Sizer splits the screen like a table and places items like the columns of this table.

On 04/05/2020 19:44, bhanu computer wrote:

hi all, i want to position my wxpython controlls to top botm ubut i dont know which int sets which position. for example wx.Button(pos=) where i left empty after equals i dont know what to fill here. i mean i dont know which value puts in which position. please tell me which value put the controll in which position. thanks in advance

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I’m student and programmer. I write often Python, sometimes Go and rare C++.
I can understand Turkish and English.

 


locked Re: wxpython

Sean
 

Two values are written to pos. The values are tuple.
X and Y coordinates.
X horizontal, Y vertical.

But this approach is not a good approach for a blind programmer. Because items on the screen will overlap frequently.
The order of Pixels changes on each screen. For example 1320x720


I recommend setting the sizer system to Grid.
Sizer splits the screen like a table and places items like the columns of this table.

On 04/05/2020 19:44, bhanu computer wrote:
hi all, i want to position my wxpython controlls to top botm ubut i dont know which int sets which position. for example wx.Button(pos=) where i left empty after equals i dont know what to fill here. i mean i dont know which value puts in which position. please tell me which value put the controll in which position. thanks in advance
--

Sean

I’m student and programmer. I write often Python, sometimes Go and rare C++.
I can understand Turkish and English.


Re: Difference between codefactory and Tiflotecnia Vocalizer

Socheat Muth
 

Hi,

Hmm, I don't think they will update the driver sooner. Because they rarely release driver update in awhile.


locked wxpython

bhanu computer
 

hi all, i want to position my wxpython controlls to top botm ubut i dont know which int sets which position. for example wx.Button(pos=) where i left empty after equals i dont know what to fill here. i mean i dont know which value puts in which position. please tell me which value put the controll in which position. thanks in advance


Jitsi and NVDA?

Cordelia Scharpf
 

Hi,

Similar to Zoom, Jitsi is a tool for telecommunication/teleconferencing.
Does anybody use it with NVDA, and how accessible is it?

Thanks,
Cordelia


Re: Google Docs Menu Issue

Louis Maher
 

I believe you will have the best luck with NVDA and Chrome.  You will get into the chrome browser menus with the alt key followed by the down arrow.  If a google doc or sheet is open, the google doc or sheet menus are available by hitting alt + f, or alt + other first tab item letters.

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jonathan Milam
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 8:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Google Docs Menu Issue

 

Hi All,

 

Is anyone else seeing where, when a Google doc is open, and browse mode is turned on, the menus and toolbars are not visible?  I have to use object nav to find these options in both Chrome and Firefox.  I’m using NVDA 2019.3.  I’ve ensured that compact controls are off.  Any ideas?

 

Thanks,

Jonathan

 


Re: thunderbird gmail notice

 

On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 06:58 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
On the google point, how do I remove access to apps, I can see removal buttons but can't click them.
I can't explain what's going on for you here.  Once I activate an app in the list that has access, and it expands to show the "Remove Access" button a single TAB lands me on said button.  I have nothing I want to remove, but focus under NVDA is on that button like it is for any other and I have no reason to believe that if I hit space bar or enter that it would not activate.

The page I'm on when I get the list of apps with permissions to my account is:  https://myaccount.google.com/permissions
 
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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: thunderbird gmail notice

 

OAUTH2 has been in use for several years now, and not only by Google.   It is what makes a given application no longer a "less secure app."

I can't imagine how you weren't prompted long ago to use OAUTH authentication except if you had the "less secure apps" option turned ON in your Google Account.

What's described certainly does not qualify as "new news" in any way, shape or form.  I do know that at one point, and I can't remember when, I got a notice from Google telling me that they were going to turn "less secure apps" off in all accounts unless the user went in and did something intentional to leave the setting in place.  I was using that setting at the time, which was just before Thunderbird and one other e-mail client I used to play with were updated to use modern authentication standards.

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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


NVDA add-on Developer toolkit 20.03 released

Andy B.
 

Hi,

I have released Developer toolkit 20.03. New features include gestures to obtain a control’s role, states, a new versioning scheme, and removal of the unique ID provided by IAccessible interfaces. The full release and download is at the following link.

https://github.com/ajborka/nvda_developer_toolkit/releases/tag/20.03

 

For those who want a getting started guide, I am starting that project today. If you have any questions or feedback, feel free to join the mailing list at www.groups.io/g/nvda-developer-toolkit, and ask your question or provide feedback there.

 

 

 

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Re: Google Docs Menu Issue

 

I actually think Google designed it this way. Browse mode should be turned off when using Google docs. Use it in focus/forms mode. Give them accessibility feedback at the below link.

https://www.google.com/accessibility/get-in-touch/

The above link has email options, chat, etc.


Google Docs Menu Issue

Jonathan Milam
 

Hi All,

 

Is anyone else seeing where, when a Google doc is open, and browse mode is turned on, the menus and toolbars are not visible?  I have to use object nav to find these options in both Chrome and Firefox.  I’m using NVDA 2019.3.  I’ve ensured that compact controls are off.  Any ideas?

 

Thanks,

Jonathan

 


Re: thunderbird gmail notice

Gene
 

I don't know what the problem is but it isn't what you think. I saw a message on another list from someone saying they must manually enter their password everytime they log in. However, I entered it once, closed Windows Live Mail, opened it again and told it to download mail. I was able to download mail without having to log in. the perverse behavior described by different people means that a Google problem is likely occurring and that waiting and manually logging in in the meantime, if necessary, may be the way to deal with the problem. We may see news accounts of the problem later in the day as it may be widespread.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2020 7:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] thunderbird gmail notice

Well that setting seems no more.

Its still working in my dad's outlook but I can't seem to find how to
switch the security protocols.

Google seems to have started getting rid of all less secure access on
their accounts and seem to slowly be roling out killing apps that are
not secured.

Sadly outlook seems to be one of these apps, for what its worth its
still working here but who knows what happens if I need to reload the
account or it suddenly stops.



On 5/05/2020 12:17 am, Luke Davis wrote:
For what it's worth, my old alpine text based client in Linux is still accessing gmail just fine with the same old IMAP over SSL I've always used.

Every once in a while, they make me log in to their site and re-enable the old/less secure apps setting, but they haven't done so in at least six months.

Luke



Re: thunderbird gmail notice

 

Well that setting seems no more.

Its still working in my dad's outlook but I can't seem to find how to switch the security protocols.

Google seems to have started getting rid of all less secure access on their accounts and seem to slowly be roling out killing apps that are not secured.

Sadly outlook seems to be one of these apps, for what its worth its still working here but who knows what happens if I need to reload the account or it suddenly stops.

On 5/05/2020 12:17 am, Luke Davis wrote:
For what it's worth, my old alpine text based client in Linux is still accessing gmail just fine with the same old IMAP over SSL I've always used.

Every once in a while, they make me log in to their site and re-enable the old/less secure apps setting, but they haven't done so in at least six months.

Luke


Excess verbosity when tabbing through tables in MS Word

Rick
 

Hello:

 

With the latest release candidate (RC1) of NVDA, when I tab through a table in MS Word, it speaks the text in the next table cell followed by the same text saying selected and then speaking the deselected text from the previous cell. Is there a way to disable this behavior? Jaws only speaks the cell content of the new cell selected.

 

Using One Core voices, latest version of office 365, Windows 10 pro.

 

Rick

 

Rick Blair

603 512-1699, cell

603 382-3335, home

 


Re: thunderbird gmail notice

Luke Davis
 

For what it's worth, my old alpine text based client in Linux is still accessing gmail just fine with the same old IMAP over SSL I've always used.

Every once in a while, they make me log in to their site and re-enable the old/less secure apps setting, but they haven't done so in at least six months.

Luke


thunderbird gmail notice

 

Hi all.

Please forward this out to anyone that uses thunderbird.

Note it may effect other clients.

Google seems to have quietly changed their security policy reguarding logins.

In short google will no longer accept normal passwords.

It was fine a little while ago, now it aint.

To fix, you need to go to tools, alt t and navigate to accounts and hit enter.

Select your account which will be your email address or the name you called it.

Next scroll down the tree view to server settings and tab all the way to authentication.

Next in the box talking about authentication press end or hit the down arrow till you hear o auth2 or till you can't go any lower.

Hit ok.

It appears that google no longer allows normal unencripted passwords to be sent to its server.

That is a good thing.

However unless I have been living in a dungeon they never told us about it.

So if you use a normal password you will get a message saying "username and account not accepted."

This message is not helpfull at the least.

The first thing I did was look at the password and check security events.

There were a few I had to confirm but they were not my issue.

I then deleted and recreated the account then renamed the account.

I then tried all the incription methods to see what it was and then well it worked.

On the pluss side the fully incripted logins seem to work much faster than they used to.

It appears that outlook is not effected.

I really wish google gave me a better error message, ie to the effect I needed to visit their site then when I logged in explain they had changed things but no, to much to ask for during a lockdown.


On the google point, how do I remove access to apps, I can see removal buttons but can't click them.

Shaun


Re: Difference between codefactory and Tiflotecnia Vocalizer

The Gamages
 

Using Code factory and the Serena voice, if I uncheck the box to say cap
on a capital letter, it does not say cap, but it says capital instead,
perhaps this will be corrected n a different build later, I hope so.



Best Regards, Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Wocher
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 6:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Difference between codefactory and Tiflotecnia
Vocalizer

Hello,
I was just checking to see if the code factory vocalizer did not change
pitch for capital letters. It does change pitch for me. I did notice
that with certain voices, nathan for example, it worked on some letters
but not others. I found that the female voices did do better than the
male ones with Karen being the best. I also set the pitch change from 30
to 50.

Greg Wocher


On May 3, 2020, at 9:37 AM, Don H <lmddh50@adams.net> wrote:

I have the code factory vocalizer NVDA addon that I purchased from
ATGuys. My only issue with them is the fact that the raise pitch on
capital letteers does not work.

On 5/3/2020 6:03 AM, luke scholey wrote:
Hi all

Hope everyone’s safe and well.

Just a quick question, can someone give me a comparison of the
Vocalizer (I’m only interested in vocalizer) offerings between the
codefactory addon and the Tiflotecnia addon.

I want to know about the quality, responsiveness, number of voices
available (they both say the same amount on the website) however
Tiflotecnia’s voice page doesn’t seem to offer as many as
codefactory, if there’s updates, how easy is that? Do you need to
deactivate to do windows updates?

I’m just looking for someone who’s used one or both for a long time
who can tell me straight up how they perform.

Thanks for any advice, I know things like this have been covered
before, I’ve had a look but they’re spread far and wide over several
topics
Luke





Re: Are these buttons? or links or links in buttons but not spoken out?

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 11:26 PM, Gene wrote:
Just because something is there doesn't mean it is necessary.
And there are plenty of things that are there explicitly for the sighted, as webpages are a visual medium, that are accessed slightly differently, but where the same things are accessible via screen reader using conventional elements as well.

I have seen (and not on this group, I might add) tons of screaming about "discrimination" against blind folks that I, personally, think is simply not there.  Web pages will never be primarily designed for screen reader users.  Things like hotspots will be used because they are incredibly enticing to the main target demographic:  sighted individuals.  That same target demographic makes up the vast majority of users.

If what I or anyone who sees get to one way, but you can get to just as easily via another, and that other is a conventional element like a link, header, button, etc., it's a difference, period, and one that makes sense.  There is no way (or reason) to make a hotspot where I can click anywhere in it to get to the product's own page otherwise accessible when the very link that I go to when I click anywhere in the hotspot is an actual heading in the page itself that reads with the exact product name (in the case of the Kogan website).  You can get to anything I can get to, and you will have the screen reader reading the exact thing I see in the image that makes up the hotspot text.

The Kogan site, from everything I can determine, is as accessible to a screen reader user, using conventional features of a screen reader, as it is to me via point and click.  That's all it needs to be in order to be accessible.  And given how visually cluttered it is, and as perverse as it sounds, doing a quick through that list of headings is in certain ways far less distracting and far more direct way of finding something.  The visual layout of that page is busy, busy, busy, busy - and that's with an ad blocking browser being used.  I can only imagine what is being blocked as far as flashing, scrolling, and other devices meant to draw attention - all of which have always made me insane - hence the reason I've employed ad blockers since the first day I knew they existed.
 
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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Cloudflare HCAPTCHA using NVDA problem

 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 11:02 PM, Arno Schuh wrote:
but there is no button etc. I could press to get the code to fit in the box.
Yet, explicitly stated, above that box, is the following:  "If you are visually impaired or cannot otherwise read this code please contact the Board Administrator."

Clicking that mailto link opens a message to the board administrator in your chosen e-mail client.  I'd suggest you follow their recommendations for their site.  My guess is that once you tell the admin what the situation is they will send you an alternate registration technique or assist specifically in some other way.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Are these buttons? or links or links in buttons but not spoken out?

Gene
 

If I understand what you are saying, this is an example of something I've noticed enough to be stated as an important thing to apply. Just because something is there doesn't mean it is necessary. On the site you are discussing, You see many buttons and you see other things that appear to be useable. If you can use those other things, you may not be missing anything that matters if you can do what you want. I used to see the following a lot more but the principle still applies. I used to see sites with a lot of unlabeled links in the navigation links at the top of the page. The bottom of the page contained the same oor a lot of the same links that read properly for some reason. If I could use the site to find what I want and do what I want, I simply disregarded the top unlabeled links, especially if experimentally clicking on one or two led me to the same place as clicking on one or two of the bottom links. but that experiment, though interesting, wasn't necessary to use the page. It was just a way to see iff I was right, the the links were redundant or mostly so.

Gene

----- Original Message -----
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 7:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Are these buttons? or links or links in buttons but not spoken out?

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 07:04 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
The first website is is http://www.kogan.com

It says button then link. If navigating by links it is spoken out but not buttons. There are some that just say button.Gene,

I will stick to this website, and try as best I can to describe what's happening. The site has some (relatively few) true buttons, it has a number of links, but it is overwhelmingly populated by what was, at least when I last dealt with them, hotspots. These are graphics, generally an image of the product or class that when clicked on takes you to its page. They are, for all practical intents and purposes, buttons, but they are not button objects. What's interesting is when I use the NVDA+F7 for the NVDA elements list, if I change the element to Headings virtually all of these hotspots have individually dedicated headings (which are links themselves, contained in the hotspot), and those headings are the product name/description itself, e.g, Kogan 12 L Air Fryer, Kogan Mobile SIM - Prepaid starter pack, Trafalgar Set of 2 Hotel Quality Goose Down Pillows. If you activate the heading, you land on the link for that product and if you activate that, you are taken to its page. If you can see you can click anywhere within the hotspot border and you'll end up on the product description page, just like you would if you navigate to the heading for the product, then activate that heading link.

Brian

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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth.

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