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Re: Excess verbosity when tabbing through tables in MS Word

Andre Fisher
 

Hi Quentin,

While I acknowledge that you have done a good job in outlining possible troubleshooting techniques, I noticed that you did not state if this is an issue that you have happened to replicate. While I understand that setups and configurations are different from computer to computer, I find that developers and those involved in making decisions relating to the screen reader often jump to troubleshooting issues before actually testing them out to confirm. This may frustrate the person who is reporting the issue.

I can confirm this has been happening as to me as well, but it started happening with NVDA 2019.3.1. i'm not using Office 365, however, I'm using Microsoft Office 2019.
Re: Excess verbosity when tabbing through tables in MS Word

Quentin Christensen
 

Have you restarted the PC since you updated NVDA?  If not, go to the Start menu and restart the PC.  Next, try restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled (NVDA+Q then down arrow to Restart with add-ons disabled and press enter).  If it is still happening, a copy of your log at debug level might be useful:

First of all, your NVDA key is either INSERT or CAPS LOCK, depending on how you have NVDA setup.  So, to set your log level:
1) Press NVDA+control+g to open the general settings
2) Press TAB until the focus is on ""Log level""
3) Press DOWN ARROW to get to ""Debug""
4) Press ENTER to close settings
5) Press NVDA+control+c to save settings.

To restart NVDA with add-ons disabled:
1) Press NVDA+Q
2) Down arrow to ""Restart with add-ons disabled""
3) Press ENTER

Next, recreate the issue - do whatever cuases problems.

To get NVDA's log after that, there are several ways:

If NVDA is still running and useable:
1) Press NVDA+F1 to open the log viewer
2) Press CONTROL+A to select all.
3) Press CONTROL+C to copy.
4) Open your email and start a message to info@..., type a little about what you have done and what has happened in the body of the message, then leave a space and:
5) Press CONTROL+V to paste the copied log.

Instead of using the log viewer, or if NVDA has stopped and you needed to restart it or the computer:
1) Press WINDOWS+R to open Windows' Run dialog
2) Type %temp% and press ENTER (that's the percent sign, the letter t e m p and another percent sign).  Windows Explorer should open to the temporary folder.
3) Press TAB to move to the file list
4) Press N and move down to find up to three files:  nvda.log (the log file for the current or most recent NVDA session), nvda-old.og (the log from the previous session) and nvda-crash.dmp (a crash dump with more information created if NVDA itself crashes).
5) Depending on what email program you use, the steps will be different, but attach as many of those three files to an email to info@... as will be useful, and again in the body of the message describe a bit about what has happened.


On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 10:31 PM Rick <softwarethatworks@...> wrote:

Hello:

 

With the latest release candidate (RC1) of NVDA, when I tab through a table in MS Word, it speaks the text in the next table cell followed by the same text saying selected and then speaking the deselected text from the previous cell. Is there a way to disable this behavior? Jaws only speaks the cell content of the new cell selected.

 

Using One Core voices, latest version of office 365, Windows 10 pro.

 

Rick

 

Rick Blair

603 512-1699, cell

603 382-3335, home

 



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Re: thunderbird gmail notice

Hareth
 

I don't know what's going on with some people setting gmail with thunderbird.
but thunderbird for a while now, has the prompt from google to allow
its access. And definitely its a secured app in google's list of
those.
I've been using Thunderbird for a long time now, and just set it up on
a new laptop and I added my gmail without any problem, just put the
credentials and next the prompt from google to allow thunderbird to
access it, that's all.
BTW I Have google's "Allow less secure apps: set to OFF"
TC

On 5/4/20, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
I had less secure settings on, you are right about that.

I simply was not aware that thunderbird was one of those.

My assumption was simply that google was thinking that the only secure
apps were google apps.

It appears that google is roling out the change everywhere.

At least now we know any modern app using the right protocols will be fine.

And at least most newer phones and anything using google service will
support it.

Thunderbird may have had the option but I have never been prompted and
have never bothered looking for something that up till now has continued
to run floorlessly.

Up to now a secure app has always been windows mail, apple mail, and
google's own apps like chrome.

I simply assumed that google was trying to cosy up to its own tech and
never though that maybe it wasn't and that apps would support these
standards.

If I had known, I would have switched ages ago.

For one thing, I am getting mail coming in at least a minute faster.

Google seems to be updating this on its enterprise gsweet blog but not
to general users and I had to look for the information.

Its new news to me but then as I said I havn't needed to change my login
methods since 1995.

The last time I did this was for ssl in 2005 or there abouts and that
was it.

Its nice to see completely secured things going on.

But for the users on outlook 2016 and earlier unless I load 2factor on
everything meaning every app and task I have has a spaciffic password
for it, I will have to upgrade outlook and office to 2019 so it works.

Potentially anyway.

Outlook still works for now but I have no idea about how google's
roleout is supposed to work for consumers so there could be a failier
any time now.



On 5/05/2020 2:24 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
OAUTH2 has been in use for several years now, and not only by Google.
It is what makes a given application no longer a "less secure app."

I can't imagine how you weren't prompted long ago to use OAUTH
authentication except if you had the "less secure apps" option turned
ON in your Google Account.

What's described certainly does not qualify as "new news" in any way,
shape or form. I do know that at one point, and I can't remember
when, I got a notice from Google telling me that they were going to
turn "less secure apps" off in all accounts unless the user went in
and did something intentional to leave the setting in place. I was
using that setting at the time, which was just before Thunderbird and
one other e-mail client I used to play with were updated to use modern
authentication standards.

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*/Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth./*

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in /New York Times/ article, /How Anti-Vaccine
Sentiment Took Hold in the United States/
<https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html>/,/September

23, 2019
Re: Having NVDA not say blank lines when reading an email

Daniel Damacena
 

I think it would be great if there was an option to enable or disable the oannoucement of blank lines when you use ctrl+arrows to read by paragraphs, like Jaws, but only when reading by paragraphs...

Em dom., 3 de mai. de 2020 às 09:15, Gene <gsasner@...> escreveu:

No, but why are you reading line by line and not using read to end?  If you
use read to end, you won't hear blank lines announced.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 1:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Having NVDA not say blank lines when reading an email



Hi, if you receive an email is there anyway to have NVDA not read  blank
lines?  Can you have program specific settings?








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Daniel Damacena
Re: New NVDA sounds

Ron Kolesar
 

Hi Ralf, from Ron Kolesar.
Thanks to your drop box folder, I now have the audio wave files for NVDA.
How do I install them into NVDA to work?
Many Thanks.
Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 15:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New NVDA sounds

https://www.dropbox.com/s/km6i9ip82q3nkn1/NVDA%20new%20waves.zip?dl=1

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ali Savas
Sent: Mittwoch, 15. April 2020 19:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] New NVDA sounds

Hello everyone,

some years ago the sounds of NVDA should have been renewed, but were discarded.

Do any of you still have these sounds and could you send them to me?

Thank you very much in advance and best regards Ali








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Re: Jitsi and NVDA?

Sylvie Duchateau
 

Hello Cordelia and all,

I use Jitsi regularly.

I cannot say that it is as accessible as zoom but it is usable.

The advantage of Jitsi is that it is open source and that it is installed on many different servers.

In theory, anybody could modify the code to make it more accessible.

In practice, you can use it but it is not so easy as it is for a sighted person.

I tried to install the app but I was not able to use it.

It is better to use it with Chrome, it works also relatively well with Firefox.

I did not test with Edge.

It is really easy to create a meeting room. You can either let the tool generate a meeting url or you type a name in the input field.

When you are logged into your room, you have to allow camera and microphone.

It works well in Chrome.

In Firefox, you hear the message asking you to allow microphone and camera. It tells you the the shortcut to press if you want to accept.

If you missed the shortcut, you just have to press F6 twice and you will find the dialog where you can allow camera and microphone and check "do not ask me again", then press ok.

What is not so accessible, is that you have buttons to mute yourself, disable camera, open settings, open chat, raise your hand, see more functionalities , but NVDA does not inform you if the button is on or off. It just tells you : "enable/disable microphone", "enable/disable camera", "raise hand"...

So you don't know if you microphone is on or off.

In some instances of JItsi, when your microphone is off and you try to speak, you hear a voice message telling you that you have to enable your microphone.

When someone joins or leaves your meeting, yo only hear "alert", but you don't know who joined or who left.

If you want to have your meeting secured, you can add a password.

It is in the menu "more information", which opens a dialog where you can copy the invitation and its URL. You can choose a password, but this dialog disappears after a few seconds and it's difficult to get or change the info.

On the meet.jit.si page, you can record your meeting, that needs to be connected to your dropbox, but I never succeeded in getting the recording.

Screen sharing works well.

If you want to share your audio, you have to select that you want to share your whole screen, then check the box to share your audio.

As a conclusion, you can use it but some functions are not so easy to use because of accessibility issues.

Note that on the beta page, https://beta.meet.jit.si/, someone contributed in adding accessible buttons, so you had an idea if the button was enabled or disabled, but this improvement disappeared.

In my opinion, the worst thing is that you don't know if your microphone is on or off. There are no shortcuts to enable or disable your devices.

I hope this can help, otherwise do not hesitate to ask.

Best

Sylvie

Le 04/05/2020 à 17:51, Cordelia Scharpf a écrit :

Hi,

Similar to Zoom, Jitsi is a tool for telecommunication/teleconferencing.
Does anybody use it with NVDA, and how accessible is it?

Thanks,
Cordelia
Re: thunderbird gmail notice

Shaun Everiss
 

I had less secure settings on, you are right about that.

I simply was not aware that thunderbird was one of those.

My assumption was simply that google was thinking that the only secure apps were google apps.

It appears that google is roling out the change everywhere.

At least now we know any modern app using the right protocols will be fine.

And at least most newer phones and anything using google service will support it.

Thunderbird may have had the option but I have never been prompted and have never bothered looking for something that up till now has continued to run floorlessly.

Up to now a secure app has always been windows mail, apple mail, and google's own apps like chrome.

I simply assumed that google was trying to cosy up to its own tech and never though that maybe it wasn't and that apps would support these standards.

If I had known, I would have switched ages ago.

For one thing, I am getting mail coming in at least a minute faster.

Google seems to be updating this on its enterprise gsweet blog but not to general users and I had to look for the information.

Its new news to me but then as I said I havn't needed to change my login methods since 1995.

The last time I did this was for ssl in 2005 or there abouts and that was it.

Its nice to see completely secured things going on.

But for the users on outlook 2016 and earlier unless I load 2factor on everything meaning every app and task I have has a spaciffic password for it, I will have to upgrade outlook and office to 2019 so it works.

Potentially anyway.

Outlook still works for now but I have no idea about how google's roleout is supposed to work for consumers so there could be a failier any time now.



On 5/05/2020 2:24 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
OAUTH2 has been in use for several years now, and not only by Google.   It is what makes a given application no longer a "less secure app."

I can't imagine how you weren't prompted long ago to use OAUTH authentication except if you had the "less secure apps" option turned ON in your Google Account.

What's described certainly does not qualify as "new news" in any way, shape or form.  I do know that at one point, and I can't remember when, I got a notice from Google telling me that they were going to turn "less secure apps" off in all accounts unless the user went in and did something intentional to leave the setting in place.  I was using that setting at the time, which was just before Thunderbird and one other e-mail client I used to play with were updated to use modern authentication standards.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 
Re: NVDA Settings Questions

Brian Vogel
 

On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 02:16 PM, mcLeod stinnett wrote:
how do you perform a search for the word dot.
After you've hit NVDA+N,P,P to open the Punctuation & Symbols dialog, you will land in the list of symbols.  Immediately above that, reached by SHIFT+TAB (or ALT+F from anywhere in the dialog itself), is the Filter by edit box.  Type the word dot in that edit box, and what will be left in the symbols list below it are only things where the word dot is used in the replacement text for the symbol.  You then need to go through the symbols list to change the replacement text for the ones you want.  I changed the two items for a sentence ending period and a stand alone period (both of which had had the replacement text of dot initially).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 
locked Re: wxpython

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

Based on source codes of add-ons I have, many use sizers for this purpose- not many specify coordinates except for cases it is justified such as a list view.

It is perfectly possible for people to use coordinates to position controls, but it runs into multiple issues, chiefly label length, font, translations, high DPI and many variations.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sean
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 10:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] wxpython

 

Two values are written to pos. The values are tuple.
X and Y coordinates.
X horizontal, Y vertical.

But this approach is not a good approach for a blind programmer. Because items on the screen will overlap frequently.
The order of Pixels changes on each screen. For example 1320x720


I recommend setting the sizer system to Grid.
Sizer splits the screen like a table and places items like the columns of this table.

On 04/05/2020 19:44, bhanu computer wrote:

hi all, i want to position my wxpython controlls to top botm ubut i dont know which int sets which position. for example wx.Button(pos=) where i left empty after equals i dont know what to fill here. i mean i dont know which value puts in which position. please tell me which value put the controll in which position. thanks in advance

--

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I’m student and programmer. I write often Python, sometimes Go and rare C++.
I can understand Turkish and English.

Re: NVDA Settings Questions

mcLeod stinnett
 

--
from mack when in the symbols list, how do you perform a search for the word dot.
locked Re: wxpython

Tyler Spivey
 

Try asking here: https://www.freelists.org/list/program-l

On 5/4/2020 11:09 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

As much as we wish to help you, I think this question is best suited to a more programming oriented list. Sorry.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of bhanu computer
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 9:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] wxpython

 

hi all, i want to position my wxpython controlls to top botm ubut i dont know which int sets which position. for example wx.Button(pos=) where i left empty after equals i dont know what to fill here. i mean i dont know which value puts in which position. please tell me which value put the controll in which position. thanks in advance

locked Re: wxpython

Andy B.
 

I think its feasible for a blind person to precisely position controls in a window. On the other hand, if WX developers think using x/y coordinates to position a control is a bad UI design practice, then it applies to everyone, not just blind people.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sean
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 2:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] wxpython

 

I don't think this is so.
The developers of wxPython often say that it is wrong to make adjustments with pos.

On 04/05/2020 21:01, Andy B. wrote:

Specifying locations of WX controls is completely feasible for a blind person. After all, this is why I am writing a getting’s started guide for Developer toolkit. It solves this very problem.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sean
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 1:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] wxpython

 

Two values are written to pos. The values are tuple.
X and Y coordinates.
X horizontal, Y vertical.

But this approach is not a good approach for a blind programmer. Because items on the screen will overlap frequently.
The order of Pixels changes on each screen. For example 1320x720


I recommend setting the sizer system to Grid.
Sizer splits the screen like a table and places items like the columns of this table.

On 04/05/2020 19:44, bhanu computer wrote:

hi all, i want to position my wxpython controlls to top botm ubut i dont know which int sets which position. for example wx.Button(pos=) where i left empty after equals i dont know what to fill here. i mean i dont know which value puts in which position. please tell me which value put the controll in which position. thanks in advance

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·        Twitter: Friedrich Sargon

·        Email: seantolstoyevski@...

·        GitHub: SeanTolstoyevski

I’m student and programmer. I write often Python, sometimes Go and rare C++.
I can understand Turkish and English.

 

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I’m student and programmer. I write often Python, sometimes Go and rare C++.
I can understand Turkish and English.

 
locked Re: wxpython

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

As much as we wish to help you, I think this question is best suited to a more programming oriented list. Sorry.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of bhanu computer
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 9:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] wxpython

 

hi all, i want to position my wxpython controlls to top botm ubut i dont know which int sets which position. for example wx.Button(pos=) where i left empty after equals i dont know what to fill here. i mean i dont know which value puts in which position. please tell me which value put the controll in which position. thanks in advance

locked Re: wxpython

Sean
 

I don't think this is so.
The developers of wxPython often say that it is wrong to make adjustments with pos.

On 04/05/2020 21:01, Andy B. wrote:

Specifying locations of WX controls is completely feasible for a blind person. After all, this is why I am writing a getting’s started guide for Developer toolkit. It solves this very problem.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sean
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 1:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] wxpython

 

Two values are written to pos. The values are tuple.
X and Y coordinates.
X horizontal, Y vertical.

But this approach is not a good approach for a blind programmer. Because items on the screen will overlap frequently.
The order of Pixels changes on each screen. For example 1320x720


I recommend setting the sizer system to Grid.
Sizer splits the screen like a table and places items like the columns of this table.

On 04/05/2020 19:44, bhanu computer wrote:

hi all, i want to position my wxpython controlls to top botm ubut i dont know which int sets which position. for example wx.Button(pos=) where i left empty after equals i dont know what to fill here. i mean i dont know which value puts in which position. please tell me which value put the controll in which position. thanks in advance

--

Sean

I’m student and programmer. I write often Python, sometimes Go and rare C++.
I can understand Turkish and English.

 

--

Sean

I’m student and programmer. I write often Python, sometimes Go and rare C++.
I can understand Turkish and English.

locked Re: wxpython

Andy B.
 

Specifying locations of WX controls is completely feasible for a blind person. After all, this is why I am writing a getting’s started guide for Developer toolkit. It solves this very problem.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sean
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 1:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] wxpython

 

Two values are written to pos. The values are tuple.
X and Y coordinates.
X horizontal, Y vertical.

But this approach is not a good approach for a blind programmer. Because items on the screen will overlap frequently.
The order of Pixels changes on each screen. For example 1320x720


I recommend setting the sizer system to Grid.
Sizer splits the screen like a table and places items like the columns of this table.

On 04/05/2020 19:44, bhanu computer wrote:

hi all, i want to position my wxpython controlls to top botm ubut i dont know which int sets which position. for example wx.Button(pos=) where i left empty after equals i dont know what to fill here. i mean i dont know which value puts in which position. please tell me which value put the controll in which position. thanks in advance

--

Sean

I’m student and programmer. I write often Python, sometimes Go and rare C++.
I can understand Turkish and English.

 
locked Re: wxpython

Sean
 

Two values are written to pos. The values are tuple.
X and Y coordinates.
X horizontal, Y vertical.

But this approach is not a good approach for a blind programmer. Because items on the screen will overlap frequently.
The order of Pixels changes on each screen. For example 1320x720


I recommend setting the sizer system to Grid.
Sizer splits the screen like a table and places items like the columns of this table.

On 04/05/2020 19:44, bhanu computer wrote:
hi all, i want to position my wxpython controlls to top botm ubut i dont know which int sets which position. for example wx.Button(pos=) where i left empty after equals i dont know what to fill here. i mean i dont know which value puts in which position. please tell me which value put the controll in which position. thanks in advance
--

Sean

I’m student and programmer. I write often Python, sometimes Go and rare C++.
I can understand Turkish and English.

Re: Difference between codefactory and Tiflotecnia Vocalizer

Socheat Muth
 

Hi,

Hmm, I don't think they will update the driver sooner. Because they rarely release driver update in awhile.
locked wxpython

bhanu computer
 

hi all, i want to position my wxpython controlls to top botm ubut i dont know which int sets which position. for example wx.Button(pos=) where i left empty after equals i dont know what to fill here. i mean i dont know which value puts in which position. please tell me which value put the controll in which position. thanks in advance
Jitsi and NVDA?

Cordelia Scharpf
 

Hi,

Similar to Zoom, Jitsi is a tool for telecommunication/teleconferencing.
Does anybody use it with NVDA, and how accessible is it?

Thanks,
Cordelia
Re: Google Docs Menu Issue

Louis Maher
 

I believe you will have the best luck with NVDA and Chrome.  You will get into the chrome browser menus with the alt key followed by the down arrow.  If a google doc or sheet is open, the google doc or sheet menus are available by hitting alt + f, or alt + other first tab item letters.

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jonathan Milam
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 8:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Google Docs Menu Issue

 

Hi All,

 

Is anyone else seeing where, when a Google doc is open, and browse mode is turned on, the menus and toolbars are not visible?  I have to use object nav to find these options in both Chrome and Firefox.  I’m using NVDA 2019.3.  I’ve ensured that compact controls are off.  Any ideas?

 

Thanks,

Jonathan

 
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