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Re: Outlook and attachments

Gene
 

I suspect it may in a way. If you receive an e-mail that you are reading as plain text, there is an embedded attachment of the message as an HTML document and maybe Outlook is showing these attachments in a way that your screen-reader announces them. I'm not sure if embedded attachments are sent with mail at other times but I doubt you can stop this behavior as it is probabhbly either a fault in Outlook or NVDA, I don't know which.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Janet Brandly
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2020 10:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Outlook and attachments



Hello all,

I’m using the most recent non-beta version of NVDA with Windows 10. Sometimes, when arrowing through the list of messages in my Outlook inbox, NVDA says that an email has an attachment when it actually doesn’t. Does anyone know why this is happening and how I can correct it?

Thanks,

Janet


Announcement: changes coming to Joseph Lee's add-on documentation

 

Hello everyone,

 

The following announcement is applicable if you use any of my add-ons (Add-on Updater, Control Usage Assistant, Enhanced Touch Gestures, GoldWave, Object Location Tones, Resource Monitor, StationPlaylist, Windows 10 App Essentials):

 

A series of changes were introduced to one of the tools used for packaging NVDA add-ons. In particular, these changes will have an impact on all community add-ons, including mine, as it changes aspects of add-on documentation (readme pages):

 

  • Add-on documentation is now HTML5-based. Everything else should stay the same.
  • Documentation title will now reflect the actual add-on version you are using instead of pointing to a distant version in the past. This will be most noticeable for people using development snapshots of StationPlaylist and Windows 10 App Essentials (development builds for these add-ons are released frequently).

 

These changes will be rolling out in stages, beginning with development snapshots for StationPlaylist and Windows 10 App Essentials scheduled for this weekend, ending with version 20.06 of all my add-ons (for stable channel subscribers), scheduled for late May or early June.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


SoundForge Users On This List

Andrea Sherry
 

Any users of this program care to comment. When I attemp to change some of the checkboxes in the menu NVDA does not recognise them as checkboxes. Has anyone else had this experience? Is there a work round?
Andrea


Re: NVDA and Pontes Media Downloader

Ron Canazzi
 

Pontes is fixed--at leawst for now.  The Search Engine was updated on May 3 and for the past day and a half, it has been working well again.


On 4/30/2020 7:02 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Those of us using a third party downloader were having issues. Youtube basically changed some stuff and the app makers have to work around it, again.

Take care and that's all I know.

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On 30 Apr 2020, at 14:42, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Dan/Fresh Start,

Pontes must be updated before it works properly again.  Every now and then, Youtube grows wise to Pontes and similar programs.  They change something in the download logarithm that makes Pontes not work so well.  Sometimes this issue is caused by a JAVA update.  If JAVA causes the issue, all you need do is uninstall and reinstall Pontes--being sure to delete all associated folders.  But I already tried that and it still is having issues.  You will have to wait until Pontes developers update the program.

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On 4/30/2020 10:16 AM, Fresh Start wrote:

Greetings all,

I am not sure who recommended Pontes Media downloader.  But hit is been awesome.  however, I have been having a little issue lately.  I am using version 3.0.

1.        How do I get Pontes to empty the table of past url’s?

2.       2.  Sometimes when pasting the url from youtube into the url field for downloading, then tabbing to the download button and pressing enter on it, the file doesn’t always download.

3.       I go back to check the url field and find it is empty.  But one more shift tab back there is a list of past download url’s.

4.       I tried copying and pasting the shortcut listing with no luck. NVDA will read me the first column but not what that keystroke does in the second column.

5.       How can I get the complete table to copy to the clipboard to paste into Word and save.

6.        

7.       I have had great success with Pontes.  But lately, It takes a few times getting the file.  I am went through the program options and think all is set right.  I genuine thank anyone for some directions.  I send a song out with each of my daily devotions and rely heavily on the awesome program…  Blessings in any of

 

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Re: Jitsi and NVDA?

Cordelia Scharpf
 

Hi, Sylvie:

Thanks a lot for your comments and observations. Over here, we are experimenting/going to experiment with both Zoom and Jitsi Meet, and I will spend some time familiarizing myself with both.

Keep safe and stay healthy,
Cordelia

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sylvie Duchateau
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2020 10:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Jitsi and NVDA?

Hello Cordelia and all,

I use Jitsi regularly.

I cannot say that it is as accessible as zoom but it is usable.

The advantage of Jitsi is that it is open source and that it is
installed on many different servers.

In theory, anybody could modify the code to make it more accessible.

In practice, you can use it but it is not so easy as it is for a sighted
person.

I tried to install the app but I was not able to use it.

It is better to use it with Chrome, it works also relatively well with
Firefox.

I did not test with Edge.

It is really easy to create a meeting room. You can either let the tool
generate a meeting url or you type a name in the input field.

When you are logged into your room, you have to allow camera and microphone.

It works well in Chrome.

In Firefox, you hear the message asking you to allow microphone and
camera. It tells you the the shortcut to press if you want to accept.

If you missed the shortcut, you just have to press F6 twice and you will
find the dialog where you can allow camera and microphone and check "do
not ask me again", then press ok.

What is not so accessible, is that you have buttons to mute yourself,
disable camera, open settings, open chat, raise your hand, see more
functionalities , but NVDA does not inform you if the button is on or
off. It just tells you : "enable/disable microphone", "enable/disable
camera", "raise hand"...

So you don't know if you microphone is on or off.

In some instances of JItsi, when your microphone is off and you try to
speak, you hear a voice message telling you that you have to enable your
microphone.

When someone joins or leaves your meeting, yo only hear "alert", but you
don't know who joined or who left.

If you want to have your meeting secured, you can add a password.

It is in the menu "more information", which opens a dialog where you can
copy the invitation and its URL. You can choose a password, but this
dialog disappears after a few seconds and it's difficult to get or
change the info.

On the meet.jit.si page, you can record your meeting, that needs to be
connected to your dropbox, but I never succeeded in getting the recording.

Screen sharing works well.

If you want to share your audio, you have to select that you want to
share your whole screen, then check the box to share your audio.

As a conclusion, you can use it but some functions are not so easy to
use because of accessibility issues.

Note that on the beta page, https://beta.meet.jit.si/, someone
contributed in adding accessible buttons, so you had an idea if the
button was enabled or disabled, but this improvement disappeared.

In my opinion, the worst thing is that you don't know if your microphone
is on or off. There are no shortcuts to enable or disable your devices.

I hope this can help, otherwise do not hesitate to ask.

Best

Sylvie

Le 04/05/2020 à 17:51, Cordelia Scharpf a écrit :

Hi,

Similar to Zoom, Jitsi is a tool for telecommunication/teleconferencing.
Does anybody use it with NVDA, and how accessible is it?

Thanks,
Cordelia




Re: Outlook and attachments

 

A very great number of messages, as noted by Shaun, have attachments that most of us don't think of as such.  VCF files are used by many as signatures (or part of them) and, when that is the case, they are considered attachments.  As far as I know, there is no way to make any e-mail client I'm aware of consider them "not an attachment."

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locked Re: wxpython

 

I had hoped this topic had died a natural death, but apparently not.  It is not on topic for the NVDA Group.  Mr. Spivey gave an excellent resource,  https://www.freelists.org/list/program-l, where this sort of programming question could be asked.  It does not meet the criteria stated in the welcome message, monthly reminder, or the group description:  "The central purpose of this group is discussing how to use NVDA, either configuring NVDA's settings or familiarizing oneself with its modes and commands.  Discussions about which programs are accessible using NVDA, NVDA add-ons, NVDA tutorials and documentation, and configuring synthesizers or Braille displays for use with NVDA are also permitted."

This topic is now locked.
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Re: Outlook and attachments

Monte Single
 

I am still using outlook 2013 with win 7 for my email.

I’ve been getting the same attachment message for a few years.

On all occasions, it happens with messages  on lists like this that do not allow attachments.

Once in a while I get a message with an attachment, but it is always from someone who is not on an email list.

Maybe it is caused by a signature or such.

No, I do not know what to do about it.

I did as on  one list,  but found no fix.

I live with it as a very minor annoyance.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Janet Brandly
Sent: May-04-20 9:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Outlook and attachments

 

Hello all,

I’m using the most recent non-beta version of NVDA with Windows 10. Sometimes, when arrowing through the list of messages in my Outlook inbox, NVDA says that an email has an attachment when it actually doesn’t. Does anyone know why this is happening and how I can correct it?

Thanks,

Janet


locked Re: wxpython

bhanu computer
 

but freinds i used audio theems addon in 3d mode. i accessed some NVDA dialogs and they are positioned. but my wx app is positioned only on the left. can you say what position you used? for example when chages are made to the addons the restart dialog box have buttons slitely to the right if i remember exactly.


Saying Hello

info.calisjs@...
 

Hey everyone, new to the group.

Excited for this group's content.
Hope you are all staying safe


Re: Excess verbosity when tabbing through tables in MS Word

Andre Fisher
 

Hi Quentin.

I did a little troubleshooting on my setup. I have the same version of Office as you do. I have traced the problem as well. It happens if you enable UI Automation for Microsoft Word. With it turned on:

1. Create a table with more than 2 columns.
2. Type "dog" in the first column.
3. Press Tab to move to the next column
3. Type "cat" in the second column.
4. Press Shift+Tab to move to the previous column.

NVDA will say: "Column 1, Dog", as it should, but then it will add the following: "Dog selected, cat unselected". I hope you can understand the issue.

My advice? Turn off UI Automation in Word, or perhaps create a profile NVDA+Control+P, then turn ooff the setting, then bring up the configuration profile dialog when you need to use tables. You can even set a shortcut to the profile in the Input gestures dialog.

That's for now though, as it needs fixing.


Re: Outlook and attachments

 

A lot of emails actually have attachments even in thunderbird.

These are usually company logos and the like

They are not anything you need to be concerned about.

Some email programs use winmail.dat and other data files for their incripted messages and message data.

These are usually read by the email program in question and not usually need interacting with the user.

Unless the email program is really old that is.



On 5/05/2020 3:14 pm, Janet Brandly wrote:

Hello all,

I’m using the most recent non-beta version of NVDA with Windows 10. Sometimes, when arrowing through the list of messages in my Outlook inbox, NVDA says that an email has an attachment when it actually doesn’t. Does anyone know why this is happening and how I can correct it?

Thanks,

Janet


Outlook and attachments

Janet Brandly
 

Hello all,

I’m using the most recent non-beta version of NVDA with Windows 10. Sometimes, when arrowing through the list of messages in my Outlook inbox, NVDA says that an email has an attachment when it actually doesn’t. Does anyone know why this is happening and how I can correct it?

Thanks,

Janet


Re: Excess verbosity when tabbing through tables in MS Word

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Andre,

Good question.  Before replying I did test to see if I could replicate, and I neglected to mention that in my reply.  I am using Office 365 version 16.0.12730.20236 with NVDA 2020.1 rc1.  I didn't go back and test earlier versions of NVDA as the OP said they encountered the problem using the RC build.

It would be interesting to hear back from the OP as to which version of Office they are using, and whether they are only encountering this issue in the RC build, or whether they can replicate with 2019.3.1 as well?

(and re the troubleshooting tips, if you could also confirm whether any of those changes make a difference, and if not, a log from you might help with our investigation as well).

Quentin.


On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 11:06 AM Andre Fisher <andrefisher729@...> wrote:
Hi Quentin,

While I acknowledge that you have done a good job in outlining possible troubleshooting techniques, I noticed that you did not state if this is an issue that you have happened to replicate. While I understand that setups and configurations are different from computer to computer, I find that developers and those involved in making decisions relating to the screen reader often jump to troubleshooting issues before actually testing them out to confirm. This may frustrate the person who is reporting the issue.

I can confirm this has been happening as to me as well, but it started happening with NVDA 2019.3.1. i'm not using Office 365, however, I'm using Microsoft Office 2019.



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Re: Excess verbosity when tabbing through tables in MS Word

Andre Fisher
 

Hi Quentin,

While I acknowledge that you have done a good job in outlining possible troubleshooting techniques, I noticed that you did not state if this is an issue that you have happened to replicate. While I understand that setups and configurations are different from computer to computer, I find that developers and those involved in making decisions relating to the screen reader often jump to troubleshooting issues before actually testing them out to confirm. This may frustrate the person who is reporting the issue.

I can confirm this has been happening as to me as well, but it started happening with NVDA 2019.3.1. i'm not using Office 365, however, I'm using Microsoft Office 2019.


Re: Excess verbosity when tabbing through tables in MS Word

Quentin Christensen
 

Have you restarted the PC since you updated NVDA?  If not, go to the Start menu and restart the PC.  Next, try restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled (NVDA+Q then down arrow to Restart with add-ons disabled and press enter).  If it is still happening, a copy of your log at debug level might be useful:

First of all, your NVDA key is either INSERT or CAPS LOCK, depending on how you have NVDA setup.  So, to set your log level:
1) Press NVDA+control+g to open the general settings
2) Press TAB until the focus is on ""Log level""
3) Press DOWN ARROW to get to ""Debug""
4) Press ENTER to close settings
5) Press NVDA+control+c to save settings.

To restart NVDA with add-ons disabled:
1) Press NVDA+Q
2) Down arrow to ""Restart with add-ons disabled""
3) Press ENTER

Next, recreate the issue - do whatever cuases problems.

To get NVDA's log after that, there are several ways:

If NVDA is still running and useable:
1) Press NVDA+F1 to open the log viewer
2) Press CONTROL+A to select all.
3) Press CONTROL+C to copy.
4) Open your email and start a message to info@..., type a little about what you have done and what has happened in the body of the message, then leave a space and:
5) Press CONTROL+V to paste the copied log.

Instead of using the log viewer, or if NVDA has stopped and you needed to restart it or the computer:
1) Press WINDOWS+R to open Windows' Run dialog
2) Type %temp% and press ENTER (that's the percent sign, the letter t e m p and another percent sign).  Windows Explorer should open to the temporary folder.
3) Press TAB to move to the file list
4) Press N and move down to find up to three files:  nvda.log (the log file for the current or most recent NVDA session), nvda-old.og (the log from the previous session) and nvda-crash.dmp (a crash dump with more information created if NVDA itself crashes).
5) Depending on what email program you use, the steps will be different, but attach as many of those three files to an email to info@... as will be useful, and again in the body of the message describe a bit about what has happened.


On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 10:31 PM Rick <softwarethatworks@...> wrote:

Hello:

 

With the latest release candidate (RC1) of NVDA, when I tab through a table in MS Word, it speaks the text in the next table cell followed by the same text saying selected and then speaking the deselected text from the previous cell. Is there a way to disable this behavior? Jaws only speaks the cell content of the new cell selected.

 

Using One Core voices, latest version of office 365, Windows 10 pro.

 

Rick

 

Rick Blair

603 512-1699, cell

603 382-3335, home

 



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Re: thunderbird gmail notice

Hareth
 

I don't know what's going on with some people setting gmail with thunderbird.
but thunderbird for a while now, has the prompt from google to allow
its access. And definitely its a secured app in google's list of
those.
I've been using Thunderbird for a long time now, and just set it up on
a new laptop and I added my gmail without any problem, just put the
credentials and next the prompt from google to allow thunderbird to
access it, that's all.
BTW I Have google's "Allow less secure apps: set to OFF"
TC

On 5/4/20, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
I had less secure settings on, you are right about that.

I simply was not aware that thunderbird was one of those.

My assumption was simply that google was thinking that the only secure
apps were google apps.

It appears that google is roling out the change everywhere.

At least now we know any modern app using the right protocols will be fine.

And at least most newer phones and anything using google service will
support it.

Thunderbird may have had the option but I have never been prompted and
have never bothered looking for something that up till now has continued
to run floorlessly.

Up to now a secure app has always been windows mail, apple mail, and
google's own apps like chrome.

I simply assumed that google was trying to cosy up to its own tech and
never though that maybe it wasn't and that apps would support these
standards.

If I had known, I would have switched ages ago.

For one thing, I am getting mail coming in at least a minute faster.

Google seems to be updating this on its enterprise gsweet blog but not
to general users and I had to look for the information.

Its new news to me but then as I said I havn't needed to change my login
methods since 1995.

The last time I did this was for ssl in 2005 or there abouts and that
was it.

Its nice to see completely secured things going on.

But for the users on outlook 2016 and earlier unless I load 2factor on
everything meaning every app and task I have has a spaciffic password
for it, I will have to upgrade outlook and office to 2019 so it works.

Potentially anyway.

Outlook still works for now but I have no idea about how google's
roleout is supposed to work for consumers so there could be a failier
any time now.



On 5/05/2020 2:24 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
OAUTH2 has been in use for several years now, and not only by Google.
It is what makes a given application no longer a "less secure app."

I can't imagine how you weren't prompted long ago to use OAUTH
authentication except if you had the "less secure apps" option turned
ON in your Google Account.

What's described certainly does not qualify as "new news" in any way,
shape or form. I do know that at one point, and I can't remember
when, I got a notice from Google telling me that they were going to
turn "less secure apps" off in all accounts unless the user went in
and did something intentional to leave the setting in place. I was
using that setting at the time, which was just before Thunderbird and
one other e-mail client I used to play with were updated to use modern
authentication standards.

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23, 2019




Re: Having NVDA not say blank lines when reading an email

Daniel Damacena
 

I think it would be great if there was an option to enable or disable the oannoucement of blank lines when you use ctrl+arrows to read by paragraphs, like Jaws, but only when reading by paragraphs...

Em dom., 3 de mai. de 2020 às 09:15, Gene <gsasner@...> escreveu:

No, but why are you reading line by line and not using read to end?  If you
use read to end, you won't hear blank lines announced.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2020 1:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Having NVDA not say blank lines when reading an email



Hi, if you receive an email is there anyway to have NVDA not read  blank
lines?  Can you have program specific settings?








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Re: New NVDA sounds

Ron Kolesar
 

Hi Ralf, from Ron Kolesar.
Thanks to your drop box folder, I now have the audio wave files for NVDA.
How do I install them into NVDA to work?
Many Thanks.
Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 15:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New NVDA sounds

https://www.dropbox.com/s/km6i9ip82q3nkn1/NVDA%20new%20waves.zip?dl=1

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ali Savas
Sent: Mittwoch, 15. April 2020 19:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] New NVDA sounds

Hello everyone,

some years ago the sounds of NVDA should have been renewed, but were discarded.

Do any of you still have these sounds and could you send them to me?

Thank you very much in advance and best regards Ali








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Re: Jitsi and NVDA?

Sylvie Duchateau
 

Hello Cordelia and all,

I use Jitsi regularly.

I cannot say that it is as accessible as zoom but it is usable.

The advantage of Jitsi is that it is open source and that it is installed on many different servers.

In theory, anybody could modify the code to make it more accessible.

In practice, you can use it but it is not so easy as it is for a sighted person.

I tried to install the app but I was not able to use it.

It is better to use it with Chrome, it works also relatively well with Firefox.

I did not test with Edge.

It is really easy to create a meeting room. You can either let the tool generate a meeting url or you type a name in the input field.

When you are logged into your room, you have to allow camera and microphone.

It works well in Chrome.

In Firefox, you hear the message asking you to allow microphone and camera. It tells you the the shortcut to press if you want to accept.

If you missed the shortcut, you just have to press F6 twice and you will find the dialog where you can allow camera and microphone and check "do not ask me again", then press ok.

What is not so accessible, is that you have buttons to mute yourself, disable camera, open settings, open chat, raise your hand, see more functionalities , but NVDA does not inform you if the button is on or off. It just tells you : "enable/disable microphone", "enable/disable camera", "raise hand"...

So you don't know if you microphone is on or off.

In some instances of JItsi, when your microphone is off and you try to speak, you hear a voice message telling you that you have to enable your microphone.

When someone joins or leaves your meeting, yo only hear "alert", but you don't know who joined or who left.

If you want to have your meeting secured, you can add a password.

It is in the menu "more information", which opens a dialog where you can copy the invitation and its URL. You can choose a password, but this dialog disappears after a few seconds and it's difficult to get or change the info.

On the meet.jit.si page, you can record your meeting, that needs to be connected to your dropbox, but I never succeeded in getting the recording.

Screen sharing works well.

If you want to share your audio, you have to select that you want to share your whole screen, then check the box to share your audio.

As a conclusion, you can use it but some functions are not so easy to use because of accessibility issues.

Note that on the beta page, https://beta.meet.jit.si/, someone contributed in adding accessible buttons, so you had an idea if the button was enabled or disabled, but this improvement disappeared.

In my opinion, the worst thing is that you don't know if your microphone is on or off. There are no shortcuts to enable or disable your devices.

I hope this can help, otherwise do not hesitate to ask.

Best

Sylvie

Le 04/05/2020 à 17:51, Cordelia Scharpf a écrit :

Hi,

Similar to Zoom, Jitsi is a tool for telecommunication/teleconferencing.
Does anybody use it with NVDA, and how accessible is it?

Thanks,
Cordelia