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Re: windows program for creating a recovery drive is not fully accessible

Carlos
 

Hello!

    Is One Drive able to serve as a backup for restoring Windows so one does not have to install everything from scratch?

    I have Microsoft 365, so backup space is not an issue.

    So if I do a clean restore of Windows 10 I can get all my software back all at once instead of getting it back piece-by-piece.

    Thank You! For your response!


On 5/9/2020 10:06 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 11:09 PM, Deenadayalan Moodley wrote:
So, This [a backup and recovery routine that is fully accessible] can be done, it does need lots of additional knowledge to make work.
And, therein, lies the problem.  I am a tech geek, I understand most, if not all, of what's being discussed as being involved in doing this.  Realistically, most end users don't and never will.  They have absolutely no interest in getting this involved in delving "under the hood."

I applaud anyone who does.  But I also know that my personal concern, and that's whether a client is blind or sighted, is that they have a backup protocol in place and that they are able to take the backups independently on whatever cycle is dictated by their personal circumstances.   If they need to recover from within Windows, that's already accessible under most of the software out there, and if they need to do a disaster recovery, it's generally not.  Having to hire someone to come in and actually do a disaster recovery is cheap, very cheap, compared to losing years worth of work and data, and way, way cheaper than engaging professional data recovery services on a failed drive.

I am far more concerned that the average user, blind or sighted, is taking backups so they're available for recovery, than I am about their ability to do the recovery independently.  God willing, they'll never need to use the backup, but if they don't have it to use and they have a catastrophic failure, then they are well and truly up the proverbial creek, in whitewater flooding stage, sans paddle.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 

-- 
Carlos - Windows 10 Home, 64 Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 - NVDA Version 2019.3
locked Re: Is there an NVDA addon to the Telegram client Unigram?

Ibrahim Abedrabbo
 

Thanks Lino,

Where do I get the Jaws Scripts?

 

Regards,

 

Ibrahim

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 1:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is there an NVDA addon to the Telegram client Unigram?

 

I don’t believe their is. JAWS with Doug Lee’s scripts for now is the way to go.

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

                                                                                                               

 

From: Ibrahim Abedrabbo
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 1:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is there an NVDA addon to the Telegram client Unigram?

 

Hello folks,

Is there an NVDA addon to the unigram, the Telegram client for windows? Is Unigram the most accessible telegram client or you recommend other ones?

 

Regards,

 

Ibrahim

 
locked Re: Is there an NVDA addon to the Telegram client Unigram?

Lino Morales
 

I don’t believe their is. JAWS with Doug Lee’s scripts for now is the way to go.

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

                                                                                                               

 

From: Ibrahim Abedrabbo
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 1:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is there an NVDA addon to the Telegram client Unigram?

 

Hello folks,

Is there an NVDA addon to the unigram, the Telegram client for windows? Is Unigram the most accessible telegram client or you recommend other ones?

 

Regards,

 

Ibrahim

 
locked Is there an NVDA addon to the Telegram client Unigram?

Ibrahim Abedrabbo
 

Hello folks,

Is there an NVDA addon to the unigram, the Telegram client for windows? Is Unigram the most accessible telegram client or you recommend other ones?

 

Regards,

 

Ibrahim
Re: windows program for creating a recovery drive is not fully accessible

Brian Vogel
 

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 11:09 PM, Deenadayalan Moodley wrote:
So, This [a backup and recovery routine that is fully accessible] can be done, it does need lots of additional knowledge to make work.
And, therein, lies the problem.  I am a tech geek, I understand most, if not all, of what's being discussed as being involved in doing this.  Realistically, most end users don't and never will.  They have absolutely no interest in getting this involved in delving "under the hood."

I applaud anyone who does.  But I also know that my personal concern, and that's whether a client is blind or sighted, is that they have a backup protocol in place and that they are able to take the backups independently on whatever cycle is dictated by their personal circumstances.   If they need to recover from within Windows, that's already accessible under most of the software out there, and if they need to do a disaster recovery, it's generally not.  Having to hire someone to come in and actually do a disaster recovery is cheap, very cheap, compared to losing years worth of work and data, and way, way cheaper than engaging professional data recovery services on a failed drive.

I am far more concerned that the average user, blind or sighted, is taking backups so they're available for recovery, than I am about their ability to do the recovery independently.  God willing, they'll never need to use the backup, but if they don't have it to use and they have a catastrophic failure, then they are well and truly up the proverbial creek, in whitewater flooding stage, sans paddle.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 
locked Re: using keyboard shortcuts for moving applications between virtual desktops in windows 10 with nvda?

Brian Vogel
 

This is not and would never be an NVDA function, but a function of Windows.

And it's amazing how easy this answer is to find via a web search.  Start here: https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/138736-move-open-app-one-virtual-desktop-another-windows-10-a.html

Then, if that's not enough, start cruising through the results from, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=move+running+app+between+virtual+desktops+Windows+10, yourself.

This topic is now locked.  It belongs on the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users group, but it's not at all related to NVDA or any other screen reader.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 
locked Re: using keyboard shortcuts for moving applications between virtual desktops in windows 10 with nvda?

Patrick Le Baudour
 

Hello,

As far as I can tell, virtual desktops in windows are not that convenient, and being windows-10 specific and not really related to accessibility, there is no reason for nvda to do it either.
There is probably a third-party software or more that allows it available on the internet, though.

-- Patrick

Le 09/05/2020 à 14:53, Norman a écrit :
Hello.
Is there a keyboard shortcut to do this? either with nvda or windows 10?
In linux you can set this up, i think the default is shift ctrl alt with left or right arrow keys. Pressing this combination would move whatever app you were on left or right one workspace.
I loved this feature on linux and would like to see something similar on windows.
Thanks.
Re: NVDA Help

Angelo Sonnesso
 

You could also run the portable version on a thumb drive.

 

73 N2DYN Angelo

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 8:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Help

 

Or make a portable copy on the c drive or any other drive and then simply copy or cut and paste it wherever you want.  That's one of the main points of portable versions of programs.  You can place them anywhere and it doesn't matter what drive they were created on.

 

You still may not have room on the f drive to place the portable copy after it is created but you will have the portable copy made and ready to place anywhere.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2020 6:06 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Help

 

Drivers for what?

Error 112 is: There is not enough space on the disk.
Try freeing some space on f: and it should work.

On 5/9/2020 3:51 AM, Andrew Summers via groups.io wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Please can you help me?
>
> I need someone to get me drivers as I cannot create a portable copy of NVDA.
>
> Please see below why.
>
>  
>
> Error
>
> Failed to create portable copy: error 112 copying \\?\C:\Program Files
>
> (x86)\NVDA\synthDrivers\espeak-ng-data\ru_dict to
>
> \\?\F:\nvda_2020.1\synthDrivers\espeak-ng-data\ru_dict
>
> OK
>
>

Re: Remote Relay server

abdul muhamin
 

Hi, the link is not working

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 12:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Remote Relay server

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7ubtwx5elgfta2y/NVDA_Remote_Servers.zip?dl=0

I think I got them from github end of last year including the compiled versions.

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of seb naudet

Sent: Freitag, 8. Mai 2020 21:12

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Remote Relay server

 

     Hello list,

 

i'd like to run my own relay server, does someone know where to find a compiled one for windows?

 

i've been to the GitHub  page of remote relay server, but, if possible, i'd prefer to avoid compiling step.

 

any idea where to find the server and a simple guide?

 

 

     thank you

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
Re: NVDA Help

Tyaseta Rabita Nugraeni Sardjono <tyasetarabita@...>
 


On Sat, May 9, 2020, 17:51 Andrew Summers via groups.io <asummers112=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Hi,

Please can you help me?

I need someone to get me drivers as I cannot create a portable copy of NVDA.

Please see below why.

 

Error

Failed to create portable copy: error 112 copying \\?\C:\Program Files

(x86)\NVDA\synthDrivers\espeak-ng-data\ru_dict to

\\?\F:\nvda_2020.1\synthDrivers\espeak-ng-data\ru_dict

OK
Re: NVDA Help

Gene
 

Or make a portable copy on the c drive or any other drive and then simply copy or cut and paste it wherever you want.  That's one of the main points of portable versions of programs.  You can place them anywhere and it doesn't matter what drive they were created on.
 
You still may not have room on the f drive to place the portable copy after it is created but you will have the portable copy made and ready to place anywhere.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2020 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Help

Drivers for what?

Error 112 is: There is not enough space on the disk.
Try freeing some space on f: and it should work.

On 5/9/2020 3:51 AM, Andrew Summers via groups.io wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Please can you help me?
>
> I need someone to get me drivers as I cannot create a portable copy of NVDA.
>
> Please see below why.
>
>  
>
> Error
>
> Failed to create portable copy: error 112 copying \\?\C:\Program Files
>
> (x86)\NVDA\synthDrivers\espeak-ng-data\ru_dict to
>
> \\?\F:\nvda_2020.1\synthDrivers\espeak-ng-data\ru_dict
>
> OK
>
>


locked using keyboard shortcuts for moving applications between virtual desktops in windows 10 with nvda?

Norman <lists@...>
 

Hello.

Is there a keyboard shortcut to do this? either with nvda or windows 10?

In linux you can set this up, i think the default is shift ctrl alt with left or right arrow keys. Pressing this combination would move whatever app you were on left or right one workspace.

I loved this feature on linux and would like to see something similar on windows.


Thanks.
Re: Remote Relay server

seb naudet
 

Hi Robert,

i need to controle several computers on a lan.

local server offers better speed, stability, security.

relay servers like nvdaremote.com are often laggy and not very reliable.


    cheers
Re: windows program for creating a recovery drive is not fully accessible

Dan Beaver
 

Nope, I did that and it wouldn't read the dialog either.


Sorry, I should have mentioned that before.


Dan Beaver

On 5/9/2020 3:35 AM, Angelo Sonnesso wrote:

Try it with Narrator.

Sometimes it works well for these onetime problems.

It is no NVDA, but it does help some times.

 

73 N2DYN Angelo

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Deenadayalan Moodley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 11:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows program for creating a recovery drive is not fully accessible

 

Hi Dan,

 

Well, I had to do the same thing on Thursday.

 

You are correct that NVDA reads the beginning of the recovery wizard.

 

You can accessibly get to the recovery wizard and go through the steps to point where you start the recovery process thereafter, NVDA only reads the Cancel button.  Using Objective Nav or any other methods does not read anything on the screen.  Even when dialogs come up, they are not read.

 

When doing my recovery disk, I was asked to insert a 16GB memory stick which I did but, this was insufficient.  I got an error and had to get sighted assistance to realise that a dialog was on the screen.

 

Once I ran through the process once more, I inserted a 32 GB memory stick, the process completed but, NVDA did not read the success message and I had to use object nav to eventually find the “finish” button to dismiss the dialog. This is not accessible.

 

Thanks.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Thursday, 07 May 2020 22:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] windows program for creating a recovery drive is not fully accessible

 

I decided I needed to create a fresh recovery drive.  I discovered that NVDA speaks the buttons but nothing else.  Has anyone else seen this?  Is this an NVDA issue or a windows system issue?

 

Thanks.

 

 

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)
-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)
Re: NVDA won't install on win10

mattias
 

HM YOU ARE CORRECT


Den 2020-05-09 kl. 10:57, skrev Shaun Everiss:

On that note there seems to be a stripped down nvda in the store for s mode.

The differences betwene store nvda and standard nvda are no system access so no addons and a few other things.

At least students can use nvda in some sort of kiosk.



On 9/05/2020 7:01 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
S mode (formerly Windows 10 S) is a Windows 10 configuration option that
restricts app sources to Microsoft Store (that's the most visible difference
between regular and S mode).
Cheers,
Jsoeph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angelo Sonnesso
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 11:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

What is S mode?

73 N2DYN Angelo


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 2:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

Hi,
Yes - both safe mode and S mode.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angelo Sonnesso
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 11:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

Does Narrator work in safe mode?


73 N2DYN Angelo

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 1:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

Hi,
One huge clarification: S mode is not the same thing as safe mode.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 10:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

On Fri, 8 May 2020, Arlene wrote:

Good you got it fixed.  What a pain in the but you had to get a
sighted person to help you get it out of safe mode. I wished Microsoft
created some sort of talking softwear  to get us out. That's if you
can't get a sighted person to help. If you live with one or have
access to someone who can help. Great. Some of us blind folk may not
be as fortunate to have a sighted person near.
If you have an iPhone or iPad, you can use  the Be My Eyes app to video call
Microsoft tech support, who can usually help you with such situations. If
not them, you can try a friend on Facetime. There are a lot of options these
days if you have the right equipment.

Luke
Re: NVDA won't install on win10

mattias
 

what

a nvda in the win10 store

eh? dont think so

Den 2020-05-09 kl. 10:57, skrev Shaun Everiss:

On that note there seems to be a stripped down nvda in the store for s mode.

The differences betwene store nvda and standard nvda are no system access so no addons and a few other things.

At least students can use nvda in some sort of kiosk.



On 9/05/2020 7:01 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
S mode (formerly Windows 10 S) is a Windows 10 configuration option that
restricts app sources to Microsoft Store (that's the most visible difference
between regular and S mode).
Cheers,
Jsoeph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angelo Sonnesso
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 11:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

What is S mode?

73 N2DYN Angelo


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 2:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

Hi,
Yes - both safe mode and S mode.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angelo Sonnesso
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 11:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

Does Narrator work in safe mode?


73 N2DYN Angelo

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 1:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

Hi,
One huge clarification: S mode is not the same thing as safe mode.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 10:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

On Fri, 8 May 2020, Arlene wrote:

Good you got it fixed.  What a pain in the but you had to get a
sighted person to help you get it out of safe mode. I wished Microsoft
created some sort of talking softwear  to get us out. That's if you
can't get a sighted person to help. If you live with one or have
access to someone who can help. Great. Some of us blind folk may not
be as fortunate to have a sighted person near.
If you have an iPhone or iPad, you can use  the Be My Eyes app to video call
Microsoft tech support, who can usually help you with such situations. If
not them, you can try a friend on Facetime. There are a lot of options these
days if you have the right equipment.

Luke
Re: NVDA Help

Tyler Spivey
 

Drivers for what?

Error 112 is: There is not enough space on the disk.
Try freeing some space on f: and it should work.

On 5/9/2020 3:51 AM, Andrew Summers via groups.io wrote:
Hi,

Please can you help me?

I need someone to get me drivers as I cannot create a portable copy of NVDA.

Please see below why.

 

Error

Failed to create portable copy: error 112 copying \\?\C:\Program Files

(x86)\NVDA\synthDrivers\espeak-ng-data\ru_dict to

\\?\F:\nvda_2020.1\synthDrivers\espeak-ng-data\ru_dict

OK
NVDA Help

Andrew Summers
 

Hi,

Please can you help me?

I need someone to get me drivers as I cannot create a portable copy of NVDA.

Please see below why.

 

Error

Failed to create portable copy: error 112 copying \\?\C:\Program Files

(x86)\NVDA\synthDrivers\espeak-ng-data\ru_dict to

\\?\F:\nvda_2020.1\synthDrivers\espeak-ng-data\ru_dict

OK
Re: Lost voices and speech synths

Gerry
 

Hi Luke

My thanks to you and others that replied.

After some fiddling around with Narrator I have managed to get back those lost voices, the one I was using was David.

However, on selecting David in nvda and trying to achieve the speech rate I wanted, I had to drop the rate right down to 20 and then apply rate boost.  It seems to me that the maximum rate available is not enough.

Anyway, back in action, now for the user manual.

regards

Gerry

On 08/05/2020 17:04, Luke Davis wrote:

Hi Gerry.

Some comments and a possible solution below.

On Friday 26th April my Win10 laptop was updated automatically. When the system re-started my NVDA voice had been replaced by Hazel.  On investigation I had lost all voices except Hazel, listed  under Microsoft API version 5 and George, listed under Windows one core voices. The voice I had lost was male,
I probably have the same Windows update, but no such problem. I have access to David, Mark, and Zira (Zira not Zero) across the two MS APIs.

   At the time I was running nvda Feb 19, so I updated to March 19. This made
Just something you may want to know: The NVDA versions are not Feb and March. The NVDA version number is a four digit number representing the year, like 2019 or 2020. Then it has a period, and a single digit number usually between 1 and 4. These do not represent months. It may also have another period, followed by a single digit number. These do not represent days.
In short, 2019.2.1 is not a date, but a version number with three parts, which some voices read as a date because they aren't smart enough to know not to.

That will not hurt you in this situation, but it may be useful to know in other situations. Also, NVDA is now up to 2020.1 (Which, again, is not January, but just means the first version released in year series 2020).
You may want to try upgrading to that.

2    What synthesizers and voices come as standard with nvda?
Espeak, and all of its voices and variants. All the rest come standard with Windows, and NVDA just utilizes them.

3    Would an un-install and re-install fix my problem? I have not tried this as I would need sighted help.
You wouldn't need sighted help. The solution there, is to use Narrator.
In windows, with NVDA shut down, press control+windows+enter, and Narrator will start.
You could get everything ready in NVDA (pre-open relevant windows, download files, etc.), then switch to Narrator for the minimum time necessary to remove NVDA and start the new installation.

That said, it seems very unlikely that you need to reinstall.

Most probably, Windows removed the voices for some reason. To try to get them back, press your windows key and type "speech".
Move down to "speech settings", and press enter.
Then tab over to the "Manage voices" group, and you should be on the "add voices" button.
Press enter on that, and you will be able to enter and choose your language, and then install the appropriate voice pack(s).
In this case, you'll want to install the English (US) voice pack.
Once you select and install the voice, close everything and restart NVDA.

That should solve your problem. If not, post back with exactly what you did and what happened, and someone will probably have further ideas.

5 How can I download the latest User Manual?
The NVDA user manual is always available on the menu.
Press NVDA+n, h, u, and you will be looking at the user guide.
If you want the actual file, while your browser has that open, go to the address bar (for example with control+l), and from there you can copy the path to the actual manual file, which is on your system already.
On mine it is in c:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\documentation\en\userGuide.html

Regards,

Luke
Re: NVDA won't install on win10

Shaun Everiss
 

On that note there seems to be a stripped down nvda in the store for s mode.

The differences betwene store nvda and standard nvda are no system access so no addons and a few other things.

At least students can use nvda in some sort of kiosk.

On 9/05/2020 7:01 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
S mode (formerly Windows 10 S) is a Windows 10 configuration option that
restricts app sources to Microsoft Store (that's the most visible difference
between regular and S mode).
Cheers,
Jsoeph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angelo Sonnesso
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 11:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

What is S mode?

73 N2DYN Angelo


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 2:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

Hi,
Yes - both safe mode and S mode.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angelo Sonnesso
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 11:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

Does Narrator work in safe mode?


73 N2DYN Angelo

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 1:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

Hi,
One huge clarification: S mode is not the same thing as safe mode.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 10:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

On Fri, 8 May 2020, Arlene wrote:

Good you got it fixed. What a pain in the but you had to get a
sighted person to help you get it out of safe mode. I wished Microsoft
created some sort of talking softwear to get us out. That's if you
can't get a sighted person to help. If you live with one or have
access to someone who can help. Great. Some of us blind folk may not
be as fortunate to have a sighted person near.
If you have an iPhone or iPad, you can use the Be My Eyes app to video call
Microsoft tech support, who can usually help you with such situations. If
not them, you can try a friend on Facetime. There are a lot of options these
days if you have the right equipment.

Luke
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