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locked Re: using keyboard shortcuts for moving applications between virtual desktops in windows 10 with nvda?

 

This is not and would never be an NVDA function, but a function of Windows.

And it's amazing how easy this answer is to find via a web search.  Start here: https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/138736-move-open-app-one-virtual-desktop-another-windows-10-a.html

Then, if that's not enough, start cruising through the results from, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=move+running+app+between+virtual+desktops+Windows+10, yourself.

This topic is now locked.  It belongs on the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users group, but it's not at all related to NVDA or any other screen reader.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


locked Re: using keyboard shortcuts for moving applications between virtual desktops in windows 10 with nvda?

Patrick Le Baudour
 

Hello,

As far as I can tell, virtual desktops in windows are not that convenient, and being windows-10 specific and not really related to accessibility, there is no reason for nvda to do it either.
There is probably a third-party software or more that allows it available on the internet, though.

-- Patrick

Le 09/05/2020 à 14:53, Norman a écrit :
Hello.
Is there a keyboard shortcut to do this? either with nvda or windows 10?
In linux you can set this up, i think the default is shift ctrl alt with left or right arrow keys. Pressing this combination would move whatever app you were on left or right one workspace.
I loved this feature on linux and would like to see something similar on windows.
Thanks.


Re: NVDA Help

Angelo Sonnesso
 

You could also run the portable version on a thumb drive.

 

73 N2DYN Angelo

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 8:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Help

 

Or make a portable copy on the c drive or any other drive and then simply copy or cut and paste it wherever you want.  That's one of the main points of portable versions of programs.  You can place them anywhere and it doesn't matter what drive they were created on.

 

You still may not have room on the f drive to place the portable copy after it is created but you will have the portable copy made and ready to place anywhere.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2020 6:06 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Help

 

Drivers for what?

Error 112 is: There is not enough space on the disk.
Try freeing some space on f: and it should work.

On 5/9/2020 3:51 AM, Andrew Summers via groups.io wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Please can you help me?
>
> I need someone to get me drivers as I cannot create a portable copy of NVDA.
>
> Please see below why.
>
>  
>
> Error
>
> Failed to create portable copy: error 112 copying \\?\C:\Program Files
>
> (x86)\NVDA\synthDrivers\espeak-ng-data\ru_dict to
>
> \\?\F:\nvda_2020.1\synthDrivers\espeak-ng-data\ru_dict
>
> OK
>
>


Re: Remote Relay server

abdul muhamin
 

Hi, the link is not working

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 12:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Remote Relay server

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7ubtwx5elgfta2y/NVDA_Remote_Servers.zip?dl=0

I think I got them from github end of last year including the compiled versions.

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of seb naudet

Sent: Freitag, 8. Mai 2020 21:12

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Remote Relay server

 

     Hello list,

 

i'd like to run my own relay server, does someone know where to find a compiled one for windows?

 

i've been to the GitHub  page of remote relay server, but, if possible, i'd prefer to avoid compiling step.

 

any idea where to find the server and a simple guide?

 

 

     thank you

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA Help

Tyaseta Rabita Nugraeni Sardjono <tyasetarabita@...>
 


On Sat, May 9, 2020, 17:51 Andrew Summers via groups.io <asummers112=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Hi,

Please can you help me?

I need someone to get me drivers as I cannot create a portable copy of NVDA.

Please see below why.

 

Error

Failed to create portable copy: error 112 copying \\?\C:\Program Files

(x86)\NVDA\synthDrivers\espeak-ng-data\ru_dict to

\\?\F:\nvda_2020.1\synthDrivers\espeak-ng-data\ru_dict

OK


Re: NVDA Help

Gene
 

Or make a portable copy on the c drive or any other drive and then simply copy or cut and paste it wherever you want.  That's one of the main points of portable versions of programs.  You can place them anywhere and it doesn't matter what drive they were created on.
 
You still may not have room on the f drive to place the portable copy after it is created but you will have the portable copy made and ready to place anywhere.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2020 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Help

Drivers for what?

Error 112 is: There is not enough space on the disk.
Try freeing some space on f: and it should work.

On 5/9/2020 3:51 AM, Andrew Summers via groups.io wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Please can you help me?
>
> I need someone to get me drivers as I cannot create a portable copy of NVDA.
>
> Please see below why.
>
>  
>
> Error
>
> Failed to create portable copy: error 112 copying \\?\C:\Program Files
>
> (x86)\NVDA\synthDrivers\espeak-ng-data\ru_dict to
>
> \\?\F:\nvda_2020.1\synthDrivers\espeak-ng-data\ru_dict
>
> OK
>
>



locked using keyboard shortcuts for moving applications between virtual desktops in windows 10 with nvda?

Norman <lists@...>
 

Hello.

Is there a keyboard shortcut to do this? either with nvda or windows 10?

In linux you can set this up, i think the default is shift ctrl alt with left or right arrow keys. Pressing this combination would move whatever app you were on left or right one workspace.

I loved this feature on linux and would like to see something similar on windows.


Thanks.


Re: Remote Relay server

seb naudet
 

Hi Robert,

i need to controle several computers on a lan.

local server offers better speed, stability, security.

relay servers like nvdaremote.com are often laggy and not very reliable.


    cheers


Re: windows program for creating a recovery drive is not fully accessible

Dan Beaver
 

Nope, I did that and it wouldn't read the dialog either.


Sorry, I should have mentioned that before.


Dan Beaver

On 5/9/2020 3:35 AM, Angelo Sonnesso wrote:

Try it with Narrator.

Sometimes it works well for these onetime problems.

It is no NVDA, but it does help some times.

 

73 N2DYN Angelo

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Deenadayalan Moodley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 11:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows program for creating a recovery drive is not fully accessible

 

Hi Dan,

 

Well, I had to do the same thing on Thursday.

 

You are correct that NVDA reads the beginning of the recovery wizard.

 

You can accessibly get to the recovery wizard and go through the steps to point where you start the recovery process thereafter, NVDA only reads the Cancel button.  Using Objective Nav or any other methods does not read anything on the screen.  Even when dialogs come up, they are not read.

 

When doing my recovery disk, I was asked to insert a 16GB memory stick which I did but, this was insufficient.  I got an error and had to get sighted assistance to realise that a dialog was on the screen.

 

Once I ran through the process once more, I inserted a 32 GB memory stick, the process completed but, NVDA did not read the success message and I had to use object nav to eventually find the “finish” button to dismiss the dialog. This is not accessible.

 

Thanks.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Thursday, 07 May 2020 22:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] windows program for creating a recovery drive is not fully accessible

 

I decided I needed to create a fresh recovery drive.  I discovered that NVDA speaks the buttons but nothing else.  Has anyone else seen this?  Is this an NVDA issue or a windows system issue?

 

Thanks.

 

 

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)
-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: NVDA won't install on win10

mattias
 

HM YOU ARE CORRECT


Den 2020-05-09 kl. 10:57, skrev Shaun Everiss:

On that note there seems to be a stripped down nvda in the store for s mode.

The differences betwene store nvda and standard nvda are no system access so no addons and a few other things.

At least students can use nvda in some sort of kiosk.



On 9/05/2020 7:01 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
S mode (formerly Windows 10 S) is a Windows 10 configuration option that
restricts app sources to Microsoft Store (that's the most visible difference
between regular and S mode).
Cheers,
Jsoeph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angelo Sonnesso
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 11:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

What is S mode?

73 N2DYN Angelo


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 2:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

Hi,
Yes - both safe mode and S mode.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angelo Sonnesso
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 11:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

Does Narrator work in safe mode?


73 N2DYN Angelo

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 1:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

Hi,
One huge clarification: S mode is not the same thing as safe mode.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 10:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

On Fri, 8 May 2020, Arlene wrote:

Good you got it fixed.  What a pain in the but you had to get a
sighted person to help you get it out of safe mode. I wished Microsoft
created some sort of talking softwear  to get us out. That's if you
can't get a sighted person to help. If you live with one or have
access to someone who can help. Great. Some of us blind folk may not
be as fortunate to have a sighted person near.
If you have an iPhone or iPad, you can use  the Be My Eyes app to video call
Microsoft tech support, who can usually help you with such situations. If
not them, you can try a friend on Facetime. There are a lot of options these
days if you have the right equipment.

Luke























Re: NVDA won't install on win10

mattias
 

what

a nvda in the win10 store

eh? dont think so

Den 2020-05-09 kl. 10:57, skrev Shaun Everiss:

On that note there seems to be a stripped down nvda in the store for s mode.

The differences betwene store nvda and standard nvda are no system access so no addons and a few other things.

At least students can use nvda in some sort of kiosk.



On 9/05/2020 7:01 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
S mode (formerly Windows 10 S) is a Windows 10 configuration option that
restricts app sources to Microsoft Store (that's the most visible difference
between regular and S mode).
Cheers,
Jsoeph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angelo Sonnesso
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 11:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

What is S mode?

73 N2DYN Angelo


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 2:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

Hi,
Yes - both safe mode and S mode.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angelo Sonnesso
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 11:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

Does Narrator work in safe mode?


73 N2DYN Angelo

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 1:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

Hi,
One huge clarification: S mode is not the same thing as safe mode.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 10:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

On Fri, 8 May 2020, Arlene wrote:

Good you got it fixed.  What a pain in the but you had to get a
sighted person to help you get it out of safe mode. I wished Microsoft
created some sort of talking softwear  to get us out. That's if you
can't get a sighted person to help. If you live with one or have
access to someone who can help. Great. Some of us blind folk may not
be as fortunate to have a sighted person near.
If you have an iPhone or iPad, you can use  the Be My Eyes app to video call
Microsoft tech support, who can usually help you with such situations. If
not them, you can try a friend on Facetime. There are a lot of options these
days if you have the right equipment.

Luke























Re: NVDA Help

Tyler Spivey
 

Drivers for what?

Error 112 is: There is not enough space on the disk.
Try freeing some space on f: and it should work.

On 5/9/2020 3:51 AM, Andrew Summers via groups.io wrote:
Hi,

Please can you help me?

I need someone to get me drivers as I cannot create a portable copy of NVDA.

Please see below why.

 

Error

Failed to create portable copy: error 112 copying \\?\C:\Program Files

(x86)\NVDA\synthDrivers\espeak-ng-data\ru_dict to

\\?\F:\nvda_2020.1\synthDrivers\espeak-ng-data\ru_dict

OK


NVDA Help

Andrew Summers
 

Hi,

Please can you help me?

I need someone to get me drivers as I cannot create a portable copy of NVDA.

Please see below why.

 

Error

Failed to create portable copy: error 112 copying \\?\C:\Program Files

(x86)\NVDA\synthDrivers\espeak-ng-data\ru_dict to

\\?\F:\nvda_2020.1\synthDrivers\espeak-ng-data\ru_dict

OK


Re: Lost voices and speech synths

Gerry
 

Hi Luke

My thanks to you and others that replied.

After some fiddling around with Narrator I have managed to get back those lost voices, the one I was using was David.

However, on selecting David in nvda and trying to achieve the speech rate I wanted, I had to drop the rate right down to 20 and then apply rate boost.  It seems to me that the maximum rate available is not enough.

Anyway, back in action, now for the user manual.

regards

Gerry

On 08/05/2020 17:04, Luke Davis wrote:

Hi Gerry.

Some comments and a possible solution below.

On Friday 26th April my Win10 laptop was updated automatically. When the system re-started my NVDA voice had been replaced by Hazel.  On investigation I had lost all voices except Hazel, listed  under Microsoft API version 5 and George, listed under Windows one core voices. The voice I had lost was male,
I probably have the same Windows update, but no such problem. I have access to David, Mark, and Zira (Zira not Zero) across the two MS APIs.

   At the time I was running nvda Feb 19, so I updated to March 19. This made
Just something you may want to know: The NVDA versions are not Feb and March. The NVDA version number is a four digit number representing the year, like 2019 or 2020. Then it has a period, and a single digit number usually between 1 and 4. These do not represent months. It may also have another period, followed by a single digit number. These do not represent days.
In short, 2019.2.1 is not a date, but a version number with three parts, which some voices read as a date because they aren't smart enough to know not to.

That will not hurt you in this situation, but it may be useful to know in other situations. Also, NVDA is now up to 2020.1 (Which, again, is not January, but just means the first version released in year series 2020).
You may want to try upgrading to that.

2    What synthesizers and voices come as standard with nvda?
Espeak, and all of its voices and variants. All the rest come standard with Windows, and NVDA just utilizes them.

3    Would an un-install and re-install fix my problem? I have not tried this as I would need sighted help.
You wouldn't need sighted help. The solution there, is to use Narrator.
In windows, with NVDA shut down, press control+windows+enter, and Narrator will start.
You could get everything ready in NVDA (pre-open relevant windows, download files, etc.), then switch to Narrator for the minimum time necessary to remove NVDA and start the new installation.

That said, it seems very unlikely that you need to reinstall.

Most probably, Windows removed the voices for some reason. To try to get them back, press your windows key and type "speech".
Move down to "speech settings", and press enter.
Then tab over to the "Manage voices" group, and you should be on the "add voices" button.
Press enter on that, and you will be able to enter and choose your language, and then install the appropriate voice pack(s).
In this case, you'll want to install the English (US) voice pack.
Once you select and install the voice, close everything and restart NVDA.

That should solve your problem. If not, post back with exactly what you did and what happened, and someone will probably have further ideas.

5 How can I download the latest User Manual?
The NVDA user manual is always available on the menu.
Press NVDA+n, h, u, and you will be looking at the user guide.
If you want the actual file, while your browser has that open, go to the address bar (for example with control+l), and from there you can copy the path to the actual manual file, which is on your system already.
On mine it is in c:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\documentation\en\userGuide.html

Regards,

Luke


Re: NVDA won't install on win10

 

On that note there seems to be a stripped down nvda in the store for s mode.

The differences betwene store nvda and standard nvda are no system access so no addons and a few other things.

At least students can use nvda in some sort of kiosk.

On 9/05/2020 7:01 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
S mode (formerly Windows 10 S) is a Windows 10 configuration option that
restricts app sources to Microsoft Store (that's the most visible difference
between regular and S mode).
Cheers,
Jsoeph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angelo Sonnesso
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 11:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

What is S mode?

73 N2DYN Angelo


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 2:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

Hi,
Yes - both safe mode and S mode.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angelo Sonnesso
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 11:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

Does Narrator work in safe mode?


73 N2DYN Angelo

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 1:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

Hi,
One huge clarification: S mode is not the same thing as safe mode.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 10:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA won't install on win10

On Fri, 8 May 2020, Arlene wrote:

Good you got it fixed. What a pain in the but you had to get a
sighted person to help you get it out of safe mode. I wished Microsoft
created some sort of talking softwear to get us out. That's if you
can't get a sighted person to help. If you live with one or have
access to someone who can help. Great. Some of us blind folk may not
be as fortunate to have a sighted person near.
If you have an iPhone or iPad, you can use the Be My Eyes app to video call
Microsoft tech support, who can usually help you with such situations. If
not them, you can try a friend on Facetime. There are a lot of options these
days if you have the right equipment.

Luke






















Re: Remote Relay server

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

may i ask the purpose of a relay server?
******
If we don't take time to think before we speak we may find ourselves in a situation where our speech becomes a bit stinky!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralf Kefferpuetz" <ralf.kefferpuetz@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Remote Relay server


https://www.dropbox.com/s/7ubtwx5elgfta2y/NVDA_Remote_Servers.zip?dl=0
I think I got them from github end of last year including the compiled versions.

Cheers,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of seb naudet
Sent: Freitag, 8. Mai 2020 21:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Remote Relay server

Hello list,

i'd like to run my own relay server, does someone know where to find a compiled one for windows?

i've been to the GitHub page of remote relay server, but, if possible, i'd prefer to avoid compiling step.

any idea where to find the server and a simple guide?


thank you


Re: when arrowing up and down through an email in outlook? Having nvda not say blank lines

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Where do I get this addon? So to be clear in the replacement field I write
the word empty or leave it blank?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 4:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] when arrowing up and down through an email in outlook?
Having nvda not say blank lines

Dennis L wrote:

Hi, is there anyway to make this happen?  If so where would I do this?
NVDA+n, p, d

Choose your preferred dictionary, and add an entry.

Create a regular expression entry.
Replace this text. Note the special characters:

^blank$

With nothing (empty replace field).

Hit OK a couple of times, and you should be good to go.

Note, that if you want it effective *only* in Outlook, you will need
something like the new Application Dictionary add-on that was talked about
several days ago.

Luke


Re: when arrowing up and down through an email in outlook? Having nvda not say blank lines

Luke Davis
 

Dennis L wrote:

Hi, is there anyway to make this happen?  If so where would I do this?
NVDA+n, p, d

Choose your preferred dictionary, and add an entry.

Create a regular expression entry.
Replace this text. Note the special characters:

^blank$

With nothing (empty replace field).

Hit OK a couple of times, and you should be good to go.

Note, that if you want it effective *only* in Outlook, you will need something like the new Application Dictionary add-on that was talked about several days ago.

Luke


Re: windows program for creating a recovery drive is not fully accessible

Angelo Sonnesso
 

What additional programs did you add?

 

 

73 N2DYN Angelo

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Deenadayalan Moodley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 11:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows program for creating a recovery drive is not fully accessible

 

Hi Brian,

 

As some one who has done this on numerous times, it can be done.  Making backup accessible is great but, you only have the option to use a talking WINPE to do the restore.  As indicated in a previous message, I have created a flash drive with various additional software.

 

All I do is boot of the flash drive which loads the win PE and run the restore from there.  I have software on the disk which allows me to even run various other tools to check hardware etc.  Most of these programs are portable and do not need to be installed.

 

I even used GRML which is a talking Linux to do a restore when my hard drive got corrupted. Like most things, there are times when you need a pair of eyes and that’s when services such as “be my eyes” can come to the rescue… I generally stay away from the so-called rescue disks because these do not have speech.

 

So, This can be done, it does need lots of additional knowledge to make work.

 

Thanks.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, 08 May 2020 02:40
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows program for creating a recovery drive is not fully accessible

 

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 08:13 PM, Bob Jutzi wrote:

I'm not sure what's being referred to as I'm using the most recent Insider preview 19624 and there still is the accessible option of creating a recovery drive.  Quickest way to find it is entering Recovery in the search box and the Create a Recovery drive option is displayed.

The Recovery drive is nothing more than a tool for restoring a backup, and unless you have a version (not created directly by Windows) that uses Windows PE with a screen reader built-in, it's not accessible either.

For those that are also members of the JAWS for Windows Support Group there is a huge ongoing conversation occurring there about this.

I feel, in certain ways, like I'm talking to walls over there.  There exist several "very geeky" options, which require using talking Windows PE, that are accessible, but are not simple to implement, if you wish to be able to do both ends of the process - system image backup and restore from a system image - with full accessibility.  And when I say "restore from a system image" I'm not talking about doing this from within Windows, as it is the rare case where one does a restore from within Windows.  I care about folks being able to do a recovery from a catastrophic failure, most typically the failure of your main system drive, and I have yet to see any reasonably easy utility that supports this.  Some are recommending Image For Windows, which I have never used.

I have written tutorials on taking backups using Macrium Reflect Free, which is an excellent utility, and which is 100% accessible for taking system image backups.  But it is not accessible for a system restore from a catastrophic failure (like virtually every thing else) because the bootable recovery environment is not Windows and does not include a screen reader.

My main concern is that people actually take full system image backups whether or not they can personally do a restore in the event of catastrophic failure or not.  Most of my sighted clients have no idea how to do a recovery (even if you teach them, unless you have the opportunity to practice - and heaven forbid you do - you forget) and have to call in assistance.

No matter what you may end up doing, it's far more critical to take system image backups so they are available for someone to recover using them, than it is to be able to actually do said recovery independently.  

Here's the tutorial on Macrium Reflect to create full system image backups:  Using Macrium Reflect Free with a Screen Reader

 

 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: windows program for creating a recovery drive is not fully accessible

Angelo Sonnesso
 

Try it with Narrator.

Sometimes it works well for these onetime problems.

It is no NVDA, but it does help some times.

 

73 N2DYN Angelo

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Deenadayalan Moodley
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 11:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows program for creating a recovery drive is not fully accessible

 

Hi Dan,

 

Well, I had to do the same thing on Thursday.

 

You are correct that NVDA reads the beginning of the recovery wizard.

 

You can accessibly get to the recovery wizard and go through the steps to point where you start the recovery process thereafter, NVDA only reads the Cancel button.  Using Objective Nav or any other methods does not read anything on the screen.  Even when dialogs come up, they are not read.

 

When doing my recovery disk, I was asked to insert a 16GB memory stick which I did but, this was insufficient.  I got an error and had to get sighted assistance to realise that a dialog was on the screen.

 

Once I ran through the process once more, I inserted a 32 GB memory stick, the process completed but, NVDA did not read the success message and I had to use object nav to eventually find the “finish” button to dismiss the dialog. This is not accessible.

 

Thanks.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Thursday, 07 May 2020 22:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] windows program for creating a recovery drive is not fully accessible

 

I decided I needed to create a fresh recovery drive.  I discovered that NVDA speaks the buttons but nothing else.  Has anyone else seen this?  Is this an NVDA issue or a windows system issue?

 

Thanks.

 

 

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Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)