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Re: reading what seems to be a blank email

Betsy Grenevitch
 

I did the steps and it was set to original HTML. I actually had to change it to text before it could read the body of the email. Thank you for teaching me something new to try when I come across another email that will not read properly.


Gene, your help was greatly appreciated.

On 5/18/2020 3:22 AM, Gene wrote:
To see how the program is set and change it, open the view menu, down arrow to message body as and press enter.
Down arrow through the choices. NVDA calls the items radio menu items, which makes no sense but that's how they are presented to NVDA. If plain text is checked, you are reading mail in plain text. My guess is that you are trying to read an HTML message that doesn't have a text variation included and are not seeing anything. To read the message as HTML In the safest way, up or down arrow to simple HTML and press enter. The menu will close and you are now reading mail as simple HTML. That means that the HTML in messages used for formatting them is being used, but nothing in the HTML of any message can run. So there is no chance of malicious code that may be in a message running. Use that setting to read mail and you will be able to read any message like this along with all your other mail.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Betsy Grenevitch
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 11:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] reading what seems to be a blank email


It believe it is in text. How do I check?




On 5/17/2020 7:47 PM, Gene wrote:

Are you reading mail as plain text, simple HTML or HTML?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Betsy Grenevitch
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 6:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] reading what seems to be a blank email


I was not sure if this should come on NvDA or thunderbird but am trying
on the NVDA list since I am using NVDA as the screen reader while using
Thunderbird as the mail program. For some reason in the past couple of
weeks a group from which I receive emails from has changed their format.
It acts like it is an image yet I can read it on the Polaris Mini
notetaker. Is there a command I can use to try to get NVDa to read the
email to me? I am willing to forward the email to one of the programmers
for NVDA if you would like to look at it to see what is happening. I am
using the latest version of NVDA and Windows 10 on my laptop.


I would much prefer to be able to read the emails on the laptop than the
notetaker because I would like to access the link in the email from the
laptop.


I would greatly appreciate any assistance that I can receive.


Thank you so very much.



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Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876



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Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876


Re: accessible uninstaller

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

One of the reasons why I keep the JAWS screen reader installed on my PC. It is able to read the interface for Revo Uninstaller  much better then NVDA.

On 5/19/2020 8:32 AM, Austin Pinto wrote:
hi all.
is there an accessible uninstaller which works with nvda?
i used to use revo uninstaller but some versions back it was
inaccessible is it the same?
please suggest something.
i would prefer if its portable which can be run without installation.
but even if its not its ok.
i am getting a new laptop and i know it will come with a lot of crap
so i want to remove the crap cleanly.
also what is the solution of uninstalling macaffi i think the
uninstaller asks for a captcha how to get around it.


Re: reading what seems to be a blank email

Betsy Grenevitch
 

Thank you so very much. I will write down these instructions and try that.



On 5/18/2020 3:22 AM, Gene wrote:
To see how the program is set and change it, open the view menu, down arrow to message body as and press enter.
Down arrow through the choices.  NVDA calls the items radio menu items, which makes no sense but that's how they are presented to NVDA.  If plain text is checked, you are reading mail in plain text.  My guess is that you are trying to read an HTML message that doesn't have a text variation included and are not seeing anything.  To read the message as HTML In the safest way, up or down arrow to simple HTML and press enter.  The menu will close and you are now reading mail as simple HTML.  That means that the HTML in messages used for formatting them is being used, but nothing in the HTML of any message can run.  So there is no chance of malicious code that may be in a message running.  Use that setting to read mail and you will be able to read any message like this along with all your other mail.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] reading what seems to be a blank email

It believe it is in text. How do I check?


On 5/17/2020 7:47 PM, Gene wrote:
Are you reading mail as plain text, simple HTML or HTML?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 6:34 PM
Subject: [nvda] reading what seems to be a blank email

I was not sure if this should come on NvDA or thunderbird but am trying
on the NVDA list since I am using NVDA as the screen reader while using
Thunderbird as the mail program. For some reason in the past couple of
weeks a group from which I receive emails from has changed their format.
It acts like it is an image yet I can read it on the Polaris Mini
notetaker. Is there a command I can use to try to get NVDa to read the
email to me? I am willing to forward the email to one of the programmers
for NVDA if you would like to look at it to see what is happening. I am
using the latest version of NVDA and Windows 10 on my laptop.


I would much prefer to be able to read the emails on the laptop than the
notetaker because I would like to access the link in the email from the
laptop.


I would greatly appreciate any assistance that I can receive.


Thank you so very much.



--
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876



-- 
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876
-- 
Betsy Grenevitch
678-862-3876


Re: accessible uninstaller

 

There's 3 options I've found that work well. Ironically, one of the suggestions came from a certain blind website I'll refuse to name, because it's an illegal operation. But, the links below are all legit sources.

  1. Puran Utilities. Very accessible, but hasn't been updated in years. Don't be shocked if it never updates.
  2. Bulk Crap Uninstaller. Mostly accessible, but takes a lot of configuring to have it automate most tasks. IMO, it's junk cleanup is crap, but this is the only option that allows for batch uninstalling and cleaning up Windows 10 Metro apps.
  3. Hi Bit Uninstaller. Very accessible. Updates Frequently. I could never uninstall windows 10 apps with it though, despite it's claim. Typical capitalism. The cleanup process after uninstalls can be automated, but I found it leaving a bunch of registry items it should have removed. So, write to the developer.

Have fun! I hope others have more suggestions.


Re: What do You prefer to write Docs, Presentations, or Spreadsheets with NVDA

Tyaseta Rabita Nugraeni Sardjono <tyasetarabita@...>
 

microsoft office and open office....google service is for gmail,
googling, google from

On 5/19/20, Marco Oros <marco.oros93@...> wrote:
Hello.

I have a question.

What do You prefer to write Docs, Slides and Spreadsheets with NVDA?

Google services, Microsoft office, or Apache Open office?

Thank You.

Marco





Re: accessible uninstaller

Tyaseta Rabita Nugraeni Sardjono <tyasetarabita@...>
 

On 5/19/20, Austin Pinto <@austin> wrote:
hi all.
is there an accessible uninstaller which works with nvda?
i used to use revo uninstaller but some versions back it was
inaccessible is it the same?
please suggest something.
i would prefer if its portable which can be run without installation.
but even if its not its ok.
i am getting a new laptop and i know it will come with a lot of crap
so i want to remove the crap cleanly.
also what is the solution of uninstalling macaffi i think the
uninstaller asks for a captcha how to get around it.




accessible uninstaller

 

hi all.
is there an accessible uninstaller which works with nvda?
i used to use revo uninstaller but some versions back it was
inaccessible is it the same?
please suggest something.
i would prefer if its portable which can be run without installation.
but even if its not its ok.
i am getting a new laptop and i know it will come with a lot of crap
so i want to remove the crap cleanly.
also what is the solution of uninstalling macaffi i think the
uninstaller asks for a captcha how to get around it.


Re: A few questions

Akshaya Choudhary
 

 Thank you, Andre. It worked!
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Regards,
Sociohack


Re: A few questions

Akshaya Choudhary
 

 

Hello Quentin,

NVDA automatically switches between synthesizers when I have more than one configuration profiles.  For example, If I have set One Core as my synthesizer, then NVDA will automatically switch to Espeak when I interact with my Windows and related applications. It goes back to One Core when I’m interacting with NVDA settings itself, reading a document or while browsing the internet.   The situation is similar with any synthesizer set as default. And, I can observe this same issue on NVDA 19.2.1 installed on my system and NVDA 20.1 which I sometimes use as a portable version. I reported the issue once on this list and was told by someone that the code for configuration profile is buggy. It would be great if you could help in any way.

 



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Regards,
Sociohack


What do You prefer to write Docs, Presentations, or Spreadsheets with NVDA

Marco Oros
 

Hello.

I have a question.

What do You prefer to write Docs, Slides and Spreadsheets with NVDA?

Google services, Microsoft office, or Apache Open office?

Thank You.

Marco


Capital Letter Recognition

Marquette, Ed
 

All:

I have searched rather diligently, with no success, for an NVDA function that I saw, a couple of years back, was under development/consideration for either an NVDA feature or an add-on.

I do not see it anywhere in the NVDA manual or the tutorial, and I see no add-on with a title or description of this functionality.

I hope I’m just inept as a searcher.

I’m looking for the ability to recognize capital letters, not just when reading by letter—I know that functionality is present—but rather, the ability to recognize when words are capitalized (or in solid capital letters) when reading by line, by paragraph, or in say-all.

Presently, I have to switch to JAWS for this functionality, and it is so absolutely crucial that it must be, at least, under development in some add-on.  In fact, this functionality is the only reason I keep JAWS installed.

Surely others find the absence of this functionality a serious matter.  Perhaps we could pool our resources to pay a clever add-on developer to create it?

Thanks!

 




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Windows 10 App Essentials 20.06, last release to support Windows 10 May 2019 Update #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

 

Windows 10 App Essentials 20.06 is now available. In addition to Flake8 related internals work, it brings ability to let NVDA stop announcing UIA notifications from Microsoft Store and other programs if “report notifications” is turned off from NVDA’s object presentation settings. As always, the add-on update is available via community add-ons website and through Add-on Updater.

 

IMPORTANT: in accordance with support policy for Windows 10 App Essentials add-on (supporting a given Windows 10 feature update for at least a year but not forever), version 20.06 will be the last release to support Windows 10 Version 1903 (May 2019 Update/build 18362). Version 1903 was supported by this add-on since March 2019, and it is time to say goodbye from this add-on. But not all is lost: Version 1909 (November 2019 Update) and upcoming Version 2004 (May 2020 Update) are supported (in a way, due to special nature of November 2019 Update, the add-on will keep supporting May 2019 Update a while longer). Actually, Windows 10 App Essentials supports two future feature updates already (more on that later). Nevertheless, for support policy, the next major version of this add-on (20.07) will require Windows 10 Version 1909 (November 2019 Update/build 18363) or later.

 

Also, for people using development snapshots: the last development snapshots before the break will be sent this weekend. The next one after that will show up in July.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: The next evolution of NVDA?

Felix G.
 

Hi!
As long as it is not understood by developers to absolve them of
implementing a11y apis, this is a good forward thrust.
Best,
Felix

Am Di., 19. Mai 2020 um 01:56 Uhr schrieb Luke Robinett
<lukeblindgroups@...>:


Yes, SIBIAC is the one. Thanks to those of you who chimed in with the name. I haven’t used the plug-in much myself but it’s very popular in the Reaper Without Peepers listserv, A group dedicated to discussion of accessibility for the Reaper digital recording application.

On May 18, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:

For those who want to know more about SIBIAC, see: https://reaperaccessibility.com/index.php/SIBIAC_add_on_for_NVDA

It is strictly for Reaper and requires a minimum screen resolution of 1920x1080, which would rule it out for me on a laptop.

AI is a marvelous thing, and there will definitely be major advances in the coming years. But it will be a very long time before it comes close to what wetware (the human brain) can do. Not to mention that AI, like other humans, will make choices that you, personally, may not prefer,a particularly until it trains itself to you.

It's interesting to see what people envision as far as AI. I've been saying for a long time that if we could train a screen reader to consider a web page the way most sighted individuals do when they see them, which means instantly ignoring an awful lot of stuff, it would be so much faster to get to the information that's generally being sought. But even then, what I consider extraneous you may consider essential, or vice versa. But that's not likely to be the case for things like navigation bars and the collections of links that appear at the bottom (and sometimes top) of a very great many web pages. If those get used once every hundred visits to most sites, with the exception of newspapers where their sections are generally presented near the top, that's probably an overestimate.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth.

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019






Object Location Tones 20.06 #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

 

Object Location Tones 20.06 is now available. This release mostly includes internal changes such as Flake8 and preparing for a day when this add-on gets integrated into NVDA. As always, the new update can be found on community add-ons website and via Add-on Updater.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: problem with nvda chrome and pressing enter on items

Jonathan Nadeau
 

Not really sure what happened there. I reset a few things and everything is fine now. I just wasn't sure if it was because of an update.



On 5/18/2020 7:09 AM, Cohn, Jonathan wrote:

Does this happen for all links or does it only happen on a few sites. Also, are you using the current version, or do you use pre-release or prevent updating. I haven’t heard of these issues except in some very specific design errors on a site, but I have been concentrating on Firefox recently.

Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Monday, May 18, 2020 at 9:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] problem with nvda chrome and pressing enter on items

External email alert: Be wary of links & attachments.


Hello list,


I'm having a problem with nvda only inside of chrome. Before while
surfing the web with chrome I could tab onto a link or a menu item and
then press enter and it would bring me to the next page or download the
file of the link I click on. Now all of a sudden if I tab to an item and
then press enter nothing happens. I have to use the arrow keys to land
on the item or link press enter and it then works.
Any ideas of why tabbing to something doesn't work anymore but if I
arrow to it it will work. Any help is greatly appreciated. This is
really messing with my work flow.



Re: A few questions

Andre Fisher
 

Hi.

Remember OneCore and SAPI5 are two different sets of voices (mobile vs. desktop). So they have different sets of voices. As it relates to the Phonetic Punctuation add-on, an ellipses (...) is sent to the synthesizer for processing by default when the symbol levels are set to None and Some (below Most). Go into the Symbol Pronunciation dialog and configure it to never be passed to the synth.


Re: NVDA is misbehave in text boxes on some websites

Socheat Muth
 

Hello,


Yes, I'm sure it is. Using the latest version of Chrome here.


Socheat


On 5/19/2020 6:09 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Is the focus definitely in the edit box with NVDA in focus mode?  I just tried in the current versions of Chrome (Version 81.0.4044.138 (Official Build) (64-bit)) and Firefox (76.0.1 64-bit) on the AudioGames site and it's working for me with NVDA 2020.1.

Quentin.

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 10:10 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I've seen web page editors that are not properly accesible.  Write your message in Notepad, then paste it into the text area of the web page.  If you can't read it when browse mode is off, you can probably read it to verify it is there when browse mode is on. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 3:51 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA is misbehave in text boxes on some websites

Hello all,


I don't know if the topic like this already created, but I couldn't find
it somehow. If this had already been created in the past, I am really sorry.


Anyway, I was browsing audiogames.net forum, and when I want to reply to
a topic. So I went into a  text area so that   I can input some texts
into it. However, when I arrowing up and down to review what I have
typed into the box, NVDA acts like there is nothing in the text box at
all. Also sometimes NVDA report the same character twice when I tried
edeting character by character by using the left or right arrow keys.


Does anyone know what could be the problem? And if so, is there a fix
for it currently?


Thanks.





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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: The next evolution of NVDA?

Luke Robinett
 

Yes, SIBIAC is the one. Thanks to those of you who chimed in with the name. I haven’t used the plug-in much myself but it’s very popular in the Reaper Without Peepers listserv, A group dedicated to discussion of accessibility for the Reaper digital recording application.

On May 18, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

For those who want to know more about SIBIAC, see:  https://reaperaccessibility.com/index.php/SIBIAC_add_on_for_NVDA

It is strictly for Reaper and requires a minimum screen resolution of 1920x1080, which would rule it out for me on a laptop.

AI is a marvelous thing, and there will definitely be major advances in the coming years.  But it will be a very long time before it comes close to what wetware (the human brain) can do.  Not to mention that AI, like other humans, will make choices that you, personally, may not prefer,a particularly until it trains itself to you.

It's interesting to see what people envision as far as AI.  I've been saying for a long time that if we could train a screen reader to consider a web page the way most sighted individuals do when they see them, which means instantly ignoring an awful lot of stuff, it would be so much faster to get to the information that's generally being sought.  But even then, what I consider extraneous you may consider essential, or vice versa.  But that's not likely to be the case for things like navigation bars and the collections of links that appear at the bottom (and sometimes top) of a very great many web pages.  If those get used once every hundred visits to most sites, with the exception of newspapers where their sections are generally presented near the top, that's probably an overestimate.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: The next evolution of NVDA?

 

For those who want to know more about SIBIAC, see:  https://reaperaccessibility.com/index.php/SIBIAC_add_on_for_NVDA

It is strictly for Reaper and requires a minimum screen resolution of 1920x1080, which would rule it out for me on a laptop.

AI is a marvelous thing, and there will definitely be major advances in the coming years.  But it will be a very long time before it comes close to what wetware (the human brain) can do.  Not to mention that AI, like other humans, will make choices that you, personally, may not prefer,a particularly until it trains itself to you.

It's interesting to see what people envision as far as AI.  I've been saying for a long time that if we could train a screen reader to consider a web page the way most sighted individuals do when they see them, which means instantly ignoring an awful lot of stuff, it would be so much faster to get to the information that's generally being sought.  But even then, what I consider extraneous you may consider essential, or vice versa.  But that's not likely to be the case for things like navigation bars and the collections of links that appear at the bottom (and sometimes top) of a very great many web pages.  If those get used once every hundred visits to most sites, with the exception of newspapers where their sections are generally presented near the top, that's probably an overestimate.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: A few questions

Quentin Christensen
 

What problems do you have using configuration profiles?  I'm not aware of any big issues with them.

I'm not sure about the SAPI 5 vs OneCore voices although I expect some voices might only be available in one or the other perhaps?

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 1:01 AM Akshaya Choudhary <acsociopath@...> wrote:
 
Hello guys,
I have a few questions:
1.    Is there a way to have different punctuation settings for different voices or synthesizers? I think it can be done by creating a different configuration profile. But, my NVDA starts behaving weird if there are more than one configuration profiles. So, an alternative is welcome.
2.    I have 6 voices available in my Windows One Core synthesizer, but when I switch to SAPI 5, I can only access two of those voices. What could be the reason? The two available SAPI 5 voices are English US voices. The other two set of voices that are only available in One Core synthesizer are Indian English and Hindi.
3.    In Phonetic Punctuation add-on, some audio rules stay active regardless of the set punctuation level. For example, if Phonetic Punctuation is turned on, I hear sounds for ellipsis; left and right parenthesis’s; and editable field, even when my punctuation level is set to none.   Any suggestions to fix this?
Also, can there be a setting allowing the users to set  independent punctuation levels for the audio rules?
I shall be grateful for any feedback.
 

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Regards,
Sociohack



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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager