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Re: FYI, Windows 10 Essentials Update

Lino Morales
 

Hi Joseph. I get this from time to time as well. NVDA will beep for what seems like forever and I sometimes have to manually update it.

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

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From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 6:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FYI, Windows 10 Essentials Update

 

Hi,

Did NVDA prompt you to restart after installing the add-on? Normally it should (if it didn’t and you used Add-on Updater to update, that’s something I need to think about).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet Brandly
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] FYI, Windows 10 Essentials Update

 

Hello all,

 

I just wanted to let you know that, at least for me, NVDA did not automatically restart after installing the most recent Windows 10 App Essentials update. I had to restart NVDA manually. In case your computer stops talking for a long time after you have shut NVDA down as instructed, try this. I know this sounds pretty basic, but there may be users out here who get hung up by this.

 

Cheers,

 

Janet

 


Re: FYI, Windows 10 Essentials Update

Dan Beaver
 

Hmmm, interesting.  It prompted me about restarting NVDA.  No problems here.


Dan Beaver

On 5/19/2020 6:09 PM, Janet Brandly wrote:

Hello all,

 

I just wanted to let you know that, at least for me, NVDA did not automatically restart after installing the most recent Windows 10 App Essentials update. I had to restart NVDA manually. In case your computer stops talking for a long time after you have shut NVDA down as instructed, try this. I know this sounds pretty basic, but there may be users out here who get hung up by this.

 

Cheers,

 

Janet

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: FYI, Windows 10 Essentials Update

 

Hi,

Did NVDA prompt you to restart after installing the add-on? Normally it should (if it didn’t and you used Add-on Updater to update, that’s something I need to think about).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet Brandly
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] FYI, Windows 10 Essentials Update

 

Hello all,

 

I just wanted to let you know that, at least for me, NVDA did not automatically restart after installing the most recent Windows 10 App Essentials update. I had to restart NVDA manually. In case your computer stops talking for a long time after you have shut NVDA down as instructed, try this. I know this sounds pretty basic, but there may be users out here who get hung up by this.

 

Cheers,

 

Janet


FYI, Windows 10 Essentials Update

Janet Brandly
 

Hello all,

 

I just wanted to let you know that, at least for me, NVDA did not automatically restart after installing the most recent Windows 10 App Essentials update. I had to restart NVDA manually. In case your computer stops talking for a long time after you have shut NVDA down as instructed, try this. I know this sounds pretty basic, but there may be users out here who get hung up by this.

 

Cheers,

 

Janet


Re: Thunderbird 68.8.0: Unwanted Verbosity Is Improved But Not Fixed

David Goldfield
 

I've filed a new bug with Mozilla documenting these issues.


On 5/19/2020 6:00 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I also hear it, sending message, connecting to smtp server, etc. And I don't have a slow machine either.
This is with 68. Not sure if it is nvda related. The rest of the stuff doesn't speak though, and I have the status line hidden to my knowledge.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum] Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 19 May 2020, at 14:44, Governor staten wrote:

I have seen the same thing as you have, David. I don't know what the issue is.





On 5/10/2020 3:27 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
Hello.

The release notes for TB 68.8.0 indicates that the extra messages heard by screen readers has been addressed. While the situation may have improved I don't believe that this issue has been totally addressed.

1. When pressing enter to open a message NVDA begins to announce something which sounds like "loading message" but the announcement is usually cut off fairly quickly. I suspect that this could be happening more on slower machines.

2. When a message that I am composing is being automatically saved to my drafts folder the status message indicating this is clearly being announced, as in "copying message to drafts folder." Should this be happening?

3. When I press ctrl-enter to send a message I sometimes hear the beginning of a status announcement but it gets cut off very quickly and I'm not able to determine what it's trying to tell me. I guess I should load the speech viewer to better capture some of what is being announced but I don't recall hearing any of this information prior to this problem initially being introduced.



Re: Thunderbird 68.8.0: Unwanted Verbosity Is Improved But Not Fixed

Sarah k Alawami
 

I also hear it, sending message, connecting to smtp server, etc. And I don't have a slow machine either.
This is with 68. Not sure if it is nvda related. The rest of the stuff doesn't speak though, and I have the status line hidden to my knowledge.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum] Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 19 May 2020, at 14:44, Governor staten wrote:

I have seen the same thing as you have, David. I don't know what the issue is.





On 5/10/2020 3:27 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
Hello.

The release notes for TB 68.8.0 indicates that the extra messages heard by screen readers has been addressed. While the situation may have improved I don't believe that this issue has been totally addressed.

1. When pressing enter to open a message NVDA begins to announce something which sounds like "loading message" but the announcement is usually cut off fairly quickly. I suspect that this could be happening more on slower machines.

2. When a message that I am composing is being automatically saved to my drafts folder the status message indicating this is clearly being announced, as in "copying message to drafts folder." Should this be happening?

3. When I press ctrl-enter to send a message I sometimes hear the beginning of a status announcement but it gets cut off very quickly and I'm not able to determine what it's trying to tell me. I guess I should load the speech viewer to better capture some of what is being announced but I don't recall hearing any of this information prior to this problem initially being introduced.



Re: Thunderbird 68.8.0: Unwanted Verbosity Is Improved But Not Fixed

 

I have seen the same thing as you have, David. I don't know what the issue is.





On 5/10/2020 3:27 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
Hello.

The release notes for TB 68.8.0 indicates that the extra messages heard by screen readers has been addressed. While the situation may have improved I don't believe that this issue has been totally addressed.

1. When pressing enter to open a message NVDA begins to announce something which sounds like "loading message" but the announcement is usually cut off fairly quickly. I suspect that this could be happening more on slower machines.

2. When a message that I am composing is being automatically saved to my drafts folder the status message indicating this is clearly being announced, as in "copying message to drafts folder." Should this be happening?

3. When I press ctrl-enter to send a message I sometimes hear the beginning of a status announcement but it gets cut off very quickly and I'm not able to determine what it's trying to tell me. I guess I should load the speech viewer to better capture some of what is being announced but I don't recall hearing any of this information prior to this problem initially being introduced.



Re: What do You prefer to write Docs, Presentations, or Spreadsheets with NVDA

 

To be honest same here.

Now All I need is a modern word document converter.

I have a lot of old word documents in word 95, there is supposed to be a way to make it do and I do have the files from an old xp system and I have installed them the way jart wants me to do but they don't render right.

I know I can manually do it all but is there a way to say submit something to somewhre or do it in batch or something.

My only stipulation is it needs to be free or low cost because I'd not be doing it more than once otherwise I will haveto process things one at a time.



On 20/05/2020 4:29 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Jarte for docs, and emails. I don't do the rest.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum] Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 19 May 2020, at 6:00, Tyaseta Rabita Nugraeni Sardjono wrote:

microsoft office and open office....google service is for gmail,
googling, google from

On 5/19/20, Marco Oros marco.oros93@... wrote:

Hello.

I have a question.

What do You prefer to write Docs, Slides and Spreadsheets with NVDA?

Google services, Microsoft office, or Apache Open office?

Thank You.

Marco


Re: accessible uninstaller

Luke Davis
 

While I hate to violate Brian's wish to take this to chat, I do feel like I should note a particular point of caution here.

When you are doing a thing like this on some manufacturer's laptops, be aware that you may be losing utilities that control extended features of the hardware for which there is no native Windows control method.

For example, on my MSI gaming laptop (which is a splendid laptop I might add), the MSI SCM utility software, and the MSI Dragon Center, are required to manage things like hardware buttons, keyboard backlighting, battery max charge (to keep it from charging past 80% for supposed better battery longevity), the FN-F4 run program macro, and various other things.

If your laptop has features like this, that are only accessible with a manufacturer supplied utility or group of same, you will probably want to download those again once you're on the other side of your Windows reinstall.
More accurately, you will probably want to make note of where and how to download those again, assuming you can.

(N.B. and no, for the record, MSI's Dragon Center is far from fully accessible with NVDA.)

Luke

On Tue, 19 May 2020, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 03:28 PM, Kenny wrote:
That's exactly what I did [a completely clean reinstall on a brand-new machine]
It's something that many technicians will do, and if you have an SSD it's an incredibly fast process.  What takes the most time is getting updates that may
have been issued since the last ISO building blocks were officially released.  For the ISO for version 1909 I snagged yesterday, the check for additional
updates and downloading them took less than 2 minutes.  Mind you, the client had fiber-optic internet, which helps immensely, but you can still get a sense
of how much it was snagging, and at this stage in the game with version 1909 it was very little.Using install media created via the Microsoft Windows 10
Media Creation Tool gets you the most "stripped down and essential" Windows 10 installation you can get.  Even then, take the time to actually review the
various screens during setup and tweak to your liking.At this point I'm going to ask that unless someone wishes to propose another third-party uninstaller
that's accessible via NVDA, we take this to the Chat Subgroup if the discussion of getting the cleanest fresh install of Windows 10 requires more
discussion.  I'll end with noting you're definitely right, Kenny, that using any manufacturer's restore partition/utility to restore your machine to its
"out of the box" state does just that - bloatware and all. --


Re: nvda 2019.3 vocalizer, and remote support

 

Hmmm the only time this happens is if there is a server dropout.

there was one a bit ago and I lost connection on the server.

But I still had a seat on the activation I confirmed with code factory.

From time to time the programs dial home to check if they are still active.

If there is a connection outage then that stops working.

You can't activate or deactivate when the servers are down.

However, when they go up again you will have to reactivate to reestablish connection and will not lose a licence.

It seems ok for me but then I havn't tried to deactivate anything yet but will be in the next few days when I update to 2004.

I would email code factory to see if there is an outage then try again to activate the licence.




On 19/05/2020 4:45 pm, intellisystech@... wrote:
Hi, yesterday my license is still ok. When i start my computer today. The NVDA keep prompt "Your Vocalizer for NVDA credentials are not set for this computer. You will need to set them to use vocalizer for NVDA for long time periods, so your license can be properly verified.". nother I can do and press. How can I do now ? I try to delete the NVDA folder in appdata folder and install the NVDA again. After I insall the vocalizer driver again, I keeps prompt this error again. Please  help. Thanks


Re: accessible uninstaller

 

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 03:28 PM, Kenny wrote:
That's exactly what I did [a completely clean reinstall on a brand-new machine]
It's something that many technicians will do, and if you have an SSD it's an incredibly fast process.  What takes the most time is getting updates that may have been issued since the last ISO building blocks were officially released.  For the ISO for version 1909 I snagged yesterday, the check for additional updates and downloading them took less than 2 minutes.  Mind you, the client had fiber-optic internet, which helps immensely, but you can still get a sense of how much it was snagging, and at this stage in the game with version 1909 it was very little.

Using install media created via the Microsoft Windows 10 Media Creation Tool gets you the most "stripped down and essential" Windows 10 installation you can get.  Even then, take the time to actually review the various screens during setup and tweak to your liking.

At this point I'm going to ask that unless someone wishes to propose another third-party uninstaller that's accessible via NVDA, we take this to the Chat Subgroup if the discussion of getting the cleanest fresh install of Windows 10 requires more discussion.  I'll end with noting you're definitely right, Kenny, that using any manufacturer's restore partition/utility to restore your machine to its "out of the box" state does just that - bloatware and all.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: accessible uninstaller

Kenny
 

That's exactly what I did with my new Dell XPS PC. You can't reset it for it will put all the McAfee and other unnecessary factory installed bloatware back. Had to use the Microsoft Media Creation tool to install a fresh copy of Windows 10. Worked out perfect for me.


On 5/19/2020 2:12 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Austin,

             If you're getting a brand new, or even brand new to you, PC the easiest way to get the very cleanest Windows 10 possible is simply to do a completely clean reinstall.  Gets rid of anything and everything an manufacturer loads on it as bloatware.

Doing a Completely Clean (Re)install of Windows 10 Using Media Creation Tool to Fetch the Win10 ISO File

Doing a Completely Clean (Re)install of Windows 10 Using Media Creation Tool to Create Bootable Win10 Install Media on a USB Thumb Drive

As far as an uninstaller utility, those should not be used unless the uninstaller that comes with a given piece of software fails somehow.  The cleanest uninstall is generally using the dedicated uninstaller for a program that came with it, though there are, of course, exceptions, but relatively few.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: reading what seems to be a blank email

 

Betsy,

           I did receive the forwarded copy and have played with it, to the same end result you had.  If this is an organization you deal with frequently, they should be made aware that they are using HTML coding that is both non-standard and not accessible.

           Even if I click in to the text itself, you get nothing with a read all or any motion through the text.  It's as though there's a "cloak of invisibility" placed over it.  This is not in any way characteristic of most HTML formatted messages (which should be as accessible as web pages are).

            It's always good to have several tricks in your back pocket, as Gene has suggested, for dealing with this when you need to.  But, the people that should be dealing with the issue are those generating the message to begin with.  It probably takes more effort to create and inaccessible HTML message than a correctly formatted one.  This is the first I've ever dealt with that has the total "cloak of invisibility" quality.  Very weird.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: accessible uninstaller

 

Austin,

             If you're getting a brand new, or even brand new to you, PC the easiest way to get the very cleanest Windows 10 possible is simply to do a completely clean reinstall.  Gets rid of anything and everything an manufacturer loads on it as bloatware.

Doing a Completely Clean (Re)install of Windows 10 Using Media Creation Tool to Fetch the Win10 ISO File

Doing a Completely Clean (Re)install of Windows 10 Using Media Creation Tool to Create Bootable Win10 Install Media on a USB Thumb Drive

As far as an uninstaller utility, those should not be used unless the uninstaller that comes with a given piece of software fails somehow.  The cleanest uninstall is generally using the dedicated uninstaller for a program that came with it, though there are, of course, exceptions, but relatively few.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


nvda keys, or at least something quits working.

Sarah k Alawami
 

Well, this is an odd one. I turned on my computer today and I noticed that tsometimes my control left and right arrow keys quick working, in fact I cannot even use my arrow keys to read character by character. I have the log here, but a restart of NVDA fixes it but for a while. I'm hoping my computer is just glitchy today. lol! Here is the log file.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/udco9m6ftkl31i0/nvda-old.log?dl=1


   I have 1 add on disabled, but  that should not matter, I will try a restart later today to see if that works or not.


Thanks all. and I'm using 2020.1 I think.


Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 20.06, last release to support Windows 10 May 2019 Update #addonrelease

 

Hi,

Nope – those are app notifications collected by Action Center. The notifications I speak of are things such as “loading complete” in Edge.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kenny
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 7:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 20.06, last release to support Windows 10 May 2019 Update #AddonRelease

 

Interesting why someone would want to completely disable speaking of those UIA app notifications through NVDA? You can disable them individually right from within the Windows Action Center located in the Systray.

 

First you here a UIA notification spawned by an app:

1. Press [Windows Key] + [a].

2. [Tab] over to the parent notification app grouping list.

3. Arrow [Down] to the child notification for the app you wish to disable.

4. [Tab] over to the "Settings for this notification" button.

5. Press the [Spacebar] on it.

6. From the pop up menu of options, arrow [Down] or [Up] to "Turn off all notifications for <Name of app>."

 

Simply Select it, and POOF: no more UIA notifications for that specific app. Have disabled notifications for Microsoft mail, and the Microsoft store. They were really the only notifications that were annoying the heck out of me.

 

I use Thunderbird as my primary email client.

 

Using the latest build of Microsoft Windows 10 v2004 by the way.

 

On 5/19/2020 3:12 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

 

Windows 10 App Essentials 20.06 is now available. In addition to Flake8 related internals work, it brings ability to let NVDA stop announcing UIA notifications from Microsoft Store and other programs if “report notifications” is turned off from NVDA’s object presentation settings. As always, the add-on update is available via community add-ons website and through Add-on Updater.

 

IMPORTANT: in accordance with support policy for Windows 10 App Essentials add-on (supporting a given Windows 10 feature update for at least a year but not forever), version 20.06 will be the last release to support Windows 10 Version 1903 (May 2019 Update/build 18362). Version 1903 was supported by this add-on since March 2019, and it is time to say goodbye from this add-on. But not all is lost: Version 1909 (November 2019 Update) and upcoming Version 2004 (May 2020 Update) are supported (in a way, due to special nature of November 2019 Update, the add-on will keep supporting May 2019 Update a while longer). Actually, Windows 10 App Essentials supports two future feature updates already (more on that later). Nevertheless, for support policy, the next major version of this add-on (20.07) will require Windows 10 Version 1909 (November 2019 Update/build 18363) or later.

 

Also, for people using development snapshots: the last development snapshots before the break will be sent this weekend. The next one after that will show up in July.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Question: Removing Bookmarks In Mozilla Firefox Using NVDA and Keyboard-- not mouse

Gene
 

This isn't an NVDA question.  I'll answer it but I won't discuss it further here, but in the chat group.
One way is to use alt b to open book marks.  Find the one you want, open the context menu, find delete and press enter.  Before you press enter the first time, note the short cut letter, I think its d.  From now on, open the context menu and type d, if my memory is correct about the short cut.
 
You can use the search book marks feature but you have to get to it in a different way now.  
Control I doesn't open book mark search in most parts of the program interface now.
Instead, use this cumbersome method.  I think that often, searching for a bookmark is convenient enough that fooling around with the cumbersome interface is worth it.
 
Open the library part of Firefox that deals with book marks with control shift b.
Shift tab twice.  Type what you are looking for.  Tab once.  You will see search results. 
Press enter on the one you want, you are working just as if you were in control I results now.
Then, once the desired page loads, alt tab to library and close it with alt f4.
 
If you want to see the tree view you saw with control I when you tabbed once without typing anything, do the following:
Open the library, control shift b, and shift tab once.  You are now in the tree view.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 11:35 AM
Subject: [nvda] Question: Removing Bookmarks In Mozilla Firefox Using NVDA and Keyboard-- not mouse

Hello,
I have Firefox 76.0.1 64bit on this laptop running Win7. I would like to clean up my bookmarks. There was a method I had used in the past involving control+i which now seems to not work as it had previously.
Googling led me to hear of a way to remove a bookmark where you click an icon on the address bar-- something I had no luck in finding how to access that icon from the address bar.
How can I remove bookmarks, either one at a time or in multiples, using only the keyboard with NVDA?
Thanks!
--Laurie M.


Re: Question: Removing Bookmarks In Mozilla Firefox Using NVDA and Keyboard-- not mouse

Chris
 

I think you may be looking for ctrl+shift+B

 

 

From: Laurie Mehta via groups.io
Sent: 19 May 2020 17:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Question: Removing Bookmarks In Mozilla Firefox Using NVDA and Keyboard-- not mouse

 

Hello,
I have Firefox 76.0.1 64bit on this laptop running Win7. I would like to clean up my bookmarks. There was a method I had used in the past involving control+i which now seems to not work as it had previously.
Googling led me to hear of a way to remove a bookmark where you click an icon on the address bar-- something I had no luck in finding how to access that icon from the address bar.
How can I remove bookmarks, either one at a time or in multiples, using only the keyboard with NVDA?
Thanks!
--Laurie M.

 


Question: Removing Bookmarks In Mozilla Firefox Using NVDA and Keyboard-- not mouse

Laurie Mehta
 

Hello,
I have Firefox 76.0.1 64bit on this laptop running Win7. I would like to clean up my bookmarks. There was a method I had used in the past involving control+i which now seems to not work as it had previously.
Googling led me to hear of a way to remove a bookmark where you click an icon on the address bar-- something I had no luck in finding how to access that icon from the address bar.
How can I remove bookmarks, either one at a time or in multiples, using only the keyboard with NVDA?
Thanks!
--Laurie M.


Re: What do You prefer to write Docs, Presentations, or Spreadsheets with NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

Jarte for docs, and emails. I don't do the rest.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum] Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 19 May 2020, at 6:00, Tyaseta Rabita Nugraeni Sardjono wrote:

microsoft office and open office....google service is for gmail,
googling, google from

On 5/19/20, Marco Oros marco.oros93@... wrote:

Hello.

I have a question.

What do You prefer to write Docs, Slides and Spreadsheets with NVDA?

Google services, Microsoft office, or Apache Open office?

Thank You.

Marco