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Re: pdfs with all words crammed against the next word with no spaces between

Gene
 

Not another screen-reader, another program that reads PDF files like balabolka.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] pdfs with all words crammed against the next word with no spaces between

Using another screen reader does not help.  It is an Adobe problem.  If one prints to paper and scans it back in, running standard OCR fixes the problem.

I like the solution another lister suggested, namely, use a PDF-handling piece of software to print to PDF.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 5:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] pdfs with all words crammed against the next word with no spaces between

 

[ CAUTION - EXTERNAL SENDER ]

Does using another reader or using OCR solve the problem?  I think I had a file like that once, but I don't recall now if those methods solved the problem.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 2:15 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] pdfs with all words crammed against the next word with no spaces between

 

Dan,

 

By coincidence, I was dealing with this topic today, actually! All you need to do is:

I had a long chat session with the Adobe help team some time ago.

It seems that the problem arises when a document created in some other editor is saved as PDF this problem can arise resulting in spaces not appearing to be standard ones under ISO (or ASCII 32).

With the help of the Adobe support team, I used adobe Acrobat Pro DC to reprocess the offending document by printing it as Adobe and saving the output document to the hard disk rather than actually printing it. The spaces were all present and no misspellings occurred.

The help team assured me that this problem arises from outside editors and not from within Adobe. Therefore, Adobe can do nothing about it.

Perhaps we could ask Microsoft and other manufacturers of editing programs to examine their processes for creating PDF files and see how this might arise.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: Graham Long <Graham.Long@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 11:25 PM
To: Cearbhall O'Meadhra (Personal) <cearbhall.omeadhra@...>
Subject: Presentation from NAS for tomorrow

 

Dear Cearbhall,

 

 

Apologies for the late email.

 

Attached is the presentation NAS will be delivering at tomorrow's Board meeting. Please let me know if you have difficulty accessing the PDF.

 

See you tomorrow,

 

Regards

Graham

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 6:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] pdfs with all words crammed against the next word with no spaces between

 

I have a pdf I need to read.  I tried but as the subject says everything is crammed together or at least that is how NVDA reads it.

 

Does anyone know of a way to straighten this out?

 

Thanks.

 

 

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)

 




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Re: pdfs with all words crammed against the next word with no spaces between

Marquette, Ed
 

Using another screen reader does not help.  It is an Adobe problem.  If one prints to paper and scans it back in, running standard OCR fixes the problem.

I like the solution another lister suggested, namely, use a PDF-handling piece of software to print to PDF.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 5:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] pdfs with all words crammed against the next word with no spaces between

 

[ CAUTION - EXTERNAL SENDER ]

Does using another reader or using OCR solve the problem?  I think I had a file like that once, but I don't recall now if those methods solved the problem.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 2:15 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] pdfs with all words crammed against the next word with no spaces between

 

Dan,

 

By coincidence, I was dealing with this topic today, actually! All you need to do is:

I had a long chat session with the Adobe help team some time ago.

It seems that the problem arises when a document created in some other editor is saved as PDF this problem can arise resulting in spaces not appearing to be standard ones under ISO (or ASCII 32).

With the help of the Adobe support team, I used adobe Acrobat Pro DC to reprocess the offending document by printing it as Adobe and saving the output document to the hard disk rather than actually printing it. The spaces were all present and no misspellings occurred.

The help team assured me that this problem arises from outside editors and not from within Adobe. Therefore, Adobe can do nothing about it.

Perhaps we could ask Microsoft and other manufacturers of editing programs to examine their processes for creating PDF files and see how this might arise.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: Graham Long <Graham.Long@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 11:25 PM
To: Cearbhall O'Meadhra (Personal) <cearbhall.omeadhra@...>
Subject: Presentation from NAS for tomorrow

 

Dear Cearbhall,

 

 

Apologies for the late email.

 

Attached is the presentation NAS will be delivering at tomorrow's Board meeting. Please let me know if you have difficulty accessing the PDF.

 

See you tomorrow,

 

Regards

Graham

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 6:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] pdfs with all words crammed against the next word with no spaces between

 

I have a pdf I need to read.  I tried but as the subject says everything is crammed together or at least that is how NVDA reads it.

 

Does anyone know of a way to straighten this out?

 

Thanks.

 

 

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)

 




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Re: pdfs with all words crammed against the next word with no spaces between

Gene
 

Does using another reader or using OCR solve the problem?  I think I had a file like that once, but I don't recall now if those methods solved the problem.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] pdfs with all words crammed against the next word with no spaces between

Dan,

 

By coincidence, I was dealing with this topic today, actually! All you need to do is:

I had a long chat session with the Adobe help team some time ago.

It seems that the problem arises when a document created in some other editor is saved as PDF this problem can arise resulting in spaces not appearing to be standard ones under ISO (or ASCII 32).

With the help of the Adobe support team, I used adobe Acrobat Pro DC to reprocess the offending document by printing it as Adobe and saving the output document to the hard disk rather than actually printing it. The spaces were all present and no misspellings occurred.

The help team assured me that this problem arises from outside editors and not from within Adobe. Therefore, Adobe can do nothing about it.

Perhaps we could ask Microsoft and other manufacturers of editing programs to examine their processes for creating PDF files and see how this might arise.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: Graham Long <Graham.Long@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 11:25 PM
To: Cearbhall O'Meadhra (Personal) <cearbhall.omeadhra@...>
Subject: Presentation from NAS for tomorrow

 

Dear Cearbhall,

 

 

Apologies for the late email.

 

Attached is the presentation NAS will be delivering at tomorrow's Board meeting. Please let me know if you have difficulty accessing the PDF.

 

See you tomorrow,

 

Regards

Graham

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 6:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] pdfs with all words crammed against the next word with no spaces between

 

I have a pdf I need to read.  I tried but as the subject says everything is crammed together or at least that is how NVDA reads it.

 

Does anyone know of a way to straighten this out?

 

Thanks.

 

 

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: Golden Cursor and Gold wave add-on for NVDA 19.2.1

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


I have it on drop box for the earlier version that will work on that version. The link is https://www.dropbox.com/s/xy3k2rbufpzc5h3/goldenCursor-3.4.nvda-addon?dl=1


The gold wave one is at https://www.dropbox.com/s/ec7d60ut9p6zwln/goldwave-19.04.nvda-addon?dl=1

Hopefully I did not accidentally put in the wrong ones.


I have 2 folders or drop box links on my website now one is for earlier add ons before 2019.2 and another for ones after nvda 2019.3 and onwards.


I need to change it so it automatically downloads when you click on a file but have not tried it with a folder


At present it brings up a list of add ons then after you click on one it might want you to play which it can not or download it.


I will see if I can change later on tonight.


Gene nz


On 19/05/2020 8:08 am, Akshaya Choudhary wrote:
Hello,
Can someone provide me versions of Golden Cursor and Gold Wave add-on that work with NVDA 19.2.1? 
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: pdfs with all words crammed against the next word with no spaces between

 

Dan,

            If the content of said file is not private, please e-mail me a copy and I'll see what I can do.  And if it's something that doesn't require massive gyrations I'll post the steps I used if I can fix it.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: pdfs with all words crammed against the next word with no spaces between

Dan Beaver
 

Thanks for the idea.  I just tried to do this using Adobe Acrobat Reader DC and I can't seem to get it right.  All I get is a blank file.


Can you tell me what settings you used?


Thanks.


Dan Beaver

On 5/20/2020 3:15 PM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Dan,

 

By coincidence, I was dealing with this topic today, actually! All you need to do is:

I had a long chat session with the Adobe help team some time ago.

It seems that the problem arises when a document created in some other editor is saved as PDF this problem can arise resulting in spaces not appearing to be standard ones under ISO (or ASCII 32).

With the help of the Adobe support team, I used adobe Acrobat Pro DC to reprocess the offending document by printing it as Adobe and saving the output document to the hard disk rather than actually printing it. The spaces were all present and no misspellings occurred.

The help team assured me that this problem arises from outside editors and not from within Adobe. Therefore, Adobe can do nothing about it.

Perhaps we could ask Microsoft and other manufacturers of editing programs to examine their processes for creating PDF files and see how this might arise.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: Graham Long <Graham.Long@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 11:25 PM
To: Cearbhall O'Meadhra (Personal) <cearbhall.omeadhra@...>
Subject: Presentation from NAS for tomorrow

 

Dear Cearbhall,

 

 

Apologies for the late email.

 

Attached is the presentation NAS will be delivering at tomorrow's Board meeting. Please let me know if you have difficulty accessing the PDF.

 

See you tomorrow,

 

Regards

Graham

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 6:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] pdfs with all words crammed against the next word with no spaces between

 

I have a pdf I need to read.  I tried but as the subject says everything is crammed together or at least that is how NVDA reads it.

 

Does anyone know of a way to straighten this out?

 

Thanks.

 

 

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)
-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: pdfs with all words crammed against the next word with no spaces between

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Dan,

 

By coincidence, I was dealing with this topic today, actually! All you need to do is:

I had a long chat session with the Adobe help team some time ago.

It seems that the problem arises when a document created in some other editor is saved as PDF this problem can arise resulting in spaces not appearing to be standard ones under ISO (or ASCII 32).

With the help of the Adobe support team, I used adobe Acrobat Pro DC to reprocess the offending document by printing it as Adobe and saving the output document to the hard disk rather than actually printing it. The spaces were all present and no misspellings occurred.

The help team assured me that this problem arises from outside editors and not from within Adobe. Therefore, Adobe can do nothing about it.

Perhaps we could ask Microsoft and other manufacturers of editing programs to examine their processes for creating PDF files and see how this might arise.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: Graham Long <Graham.Long@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 11:25 PM
To: Cearbhall O'Meadhra (Personal) <cearbhall.omeadhra@...>
Subject: Presentation from NAS for tomorrow

 

Dear Cearbhall,

 

 

Apologies for the late email.

 

Attached is the presentation NAS will be delivering at tomorrow's Board meeting. Please let me know if you have difficulty accessing the PDF.

 

See you tomorrow,

 

Regards

Graham

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 6:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] pdfs with all words crammed against the next word with no spaces between

 

I have a pdf I need to read.  I tried but as the subject says everything is crammed together or at least that is how NVDA reads it.

 

Does anyone know of a way to straighten this out?

 

Thanks.

 

 

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


pdfs with all words crammed against the next word with no spaces between

Dan Beaver
 

I have a pdf I need to read.  I tried but as the subject says everything is crammed together or at least that is how NVDA reads it.


Does anyone know of a way to straighten this out?


Thanks.



-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: SpeechHub NVDA add-on for version 2019.3.1 and later

Akshaya Choudhary
 

Thank you, Isaac!
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: And finally, Add-on Updater 20.06 #addonrelease

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Joseph,


I hope you enjoy your break. Thanks so much for everything you do for us.


Rosemarie



On 5/20/2020 12:11 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

 

Add-on Updater 20.06 is now available. As an add-on that has gone through one of the most changes as a result of Flake8, along with not breaking update facility for other add-ons, this add-on became the last one to get 20.06. As always, Add-on Updater 20.06 is available through community add-ons website, or ironically enough, through Add-on Updater itself.

 

And with that, I’m taking a break from NVDA add-ons world for a while. The next releases will be done in July.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: What do You prefer to write Docs, Presentations, or Spreadsheets with NVDA

Vaibhav Bhandari
 

I did try writing in docks once or twice but then I continued with
microsoft word. NVDA's constant speaking of letters along with the
different movement of curser kind of annoyed me.

On 5/20/20, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@gmail.com> wrote:
you can use the free multidoc converter to batch-convert your old microsoft
office and windows95 document to the new docx format.
http://www.multidoc-converter.com/en/download/index.html



--
Thanks/regards: Vaibhav Bhandari


SpeechHub NVDA add-on for version 2019.3.1 and later

Isaac Porat
 

Hello


SpeechHub NVDA add-on for versions 2019.3.1 and later is available.

This add-on does nothing unless SpeechHub itself is installed.

With this add-on installed SpeechHub voices are available to NVDA in the usual way.

Please note that SpeechHub itself was not updated for a while; the hub itself is highly reliable and the open source synthesizers  work within their strengths and limitations as explained below.

I use it myself all the time and people including some on this list asked me to notify them when an add-on compatible with recent NVDA versions is available.


SpeechHub is an internal server that runs automatically on your computer. The hub provides text and audio processing augmenting as necessary or providing an alternative to the processing provided by the synthesizers themselves.

By default SpeechHub comes with three open source synthesizers and two SAPI 5 connectors.


Among the three open source synthesizers it supports by default the most interesting one is MaryTTS.

This synthesizer probably provides the best human like voices available as open source and to my knowledge SpeechHub is the only  system that can facilitate the use of these voices with a screen reader.

Single characters processing such as key echo etc is less good but

some people enjoy these voices for continuous reading.

These voices are available only in English.


The SAPI 5 connector uses unconventional interface processing audio allow better response for utterances produced frequently and higher speeds with some slow voices.

This connector works well with some synthesizers but less well with others.


A guide to why you might want to use SpeechHub is available, note that it is a bit out of date in that most computers these days should be able to work with these voices easily.

http://www.speakon.org.uk/SpeechHub/public/docs/NVDAClient/NVDAWhyUse.html


A guide for installing SpeechHub and its NVDA add-on is available at

http://www.speakon.org.uk/SpeechHub/public/docs/NVDAClient/NVDADownloadInstallation.html


The SpeechHub home page is at

http://www.speakon.org.uk/SpeechHub.html


Regards

Isaac


Re: What do You prefer to write Docs, Presentations, or Spreadsheets with NVDA

Josh Kennedy
 

you can use the free multidoc converter to batch-convert your old microsoft office and windows95 document to the new docx format. 
http://www.multidoc-converter.com/en/download/index.html


Re: And finally, Add-on Updater 20.06 #addonrelease

 

Hi,

Using the current infrastructure, the best way is letting NVDA query a table of add-on identifiers and versions, which must be updated whenever new add-ons are registered and updates are released (still a manual intervention). Note that this fails for add-ons that receive updates from websites other than GitHub and ones that come with their own update mechanism. All this will change once add-ons store idea becomes reality, which will also make Add-on Updater and update mechanisms in other add-ons obsolete.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 5:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] And finally, Add-on Updater 20.06 #AddonRelease

 

Is there a way this can be somewhat automated so you don't have to add every new add on that gets posted to the community website?


Re: And finally, Add-on Updater 20.06 #addonrelease

 

Is there a way this can be somewhat automated so you don't have to add every new add on that gets posted to the community website?


Re: And finally, Add-on Updater 20.06 #addonrelease

 

Well joseph I guess with this latest addon most things are ready for the next feature update I think we have a week left before it goes.

It sounds really sollid.



On 20/05/2020 7:11 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

 

Add-on Updater 20.06 is now available. As an add-on that has gone through one of the most changes as a result of Flake8, along with not breaking update facility for other add-ons, this add-on became the last one to get 20.06. As always, Add-on Updater 20.06 is available through community add-ons website, or ironically enough, through Add-on Updater itself.

 

And with that, I’m taking a break from NVDA add-ons world for a while. The next releases will be done in July.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: And finally, Add-on Updater 20.06 #addonrelease

Pele West
 

Hi Joseph

Have a good break.

thanks for all the work you have put in to make NVDA a better
screenreader.

Pele West


And finally, Add-on Updater 20.06 #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

 

Add-on Updater 20.06 is now available. As an add-on that has gone through one of the most changes as a result of Flake8, along with not breaking update facility for other add-ons, this add-on became the last one to get 20.06. As always, Add-on Updater 20.06 is available through community add-ons website, or ironically enough, through Add-on Updater itself.

 

And with that, I’m taking a break from NVDA add-ons world for a while. The next releases will be done in July.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: The next evolution of NVDA?

Sean
 

This addon is not an AI example.
OCR is not AI in general.

And yes. 20 years of screen readers are now interested in AI.
There is work on this at GSoC. Recognication  the objects of images etc.

Currently an experienced user can do whatever they want with a screen reader like NVDA.
Almost all obstacles disappear with AI.

On 19/05/2020 02:29, Brian Vogel wrote:
For those who want to know more about SIBIAC, see:  https://reaperaccessibility.com/index.php/SIBIAC_add_on_for_NVDA

It is strictly for Reaper and requires a minimum screen resolution of 1920x1080, which would rule it out for me on a laptop.

AI is a marvelous thing, and there will definitely be major advances in the coming years.  But it will be a very long time before it comes close to what wetware (the human brain) can do.  Not to mention that AI, like other humans, will make choices that you, personally, may not prefer,a particularly until it trains itself to you.

It's interesting to see what people envision as far as AI.  I've been saying for a long time that if we could train a screen reader to consider a web page the way most sighted individuals do when they see them, which means instantly ignoring an awful lot of stuff, it would be so much faster to get to the information that's generally being sought.  But even then, what I consider extraneous you may consider essential, or vice versa.  But that's not likely to be the case for things like navigation bars and the collections of links that appear at the bottom (and sometimes top) of a very great many web pages.  If those get used once every hundred visits to most sites, with the exception of newspapers where their sections are generally presented near the top, that's probably an overestimate.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 

--

Sean

I’m student and programmer. I write often Python, sometimes Go and rarely C++.
I can understand Turkish and English.


StationPlaylist 20.06, accepting user suggestions until end of May #addonrelease

 

Hello everyone,

 

StationPlaylist add-on version 20.06 is now available. Besides Flake8 work, this version retires time-based broadcast profiles, Window-Eyes layout for SPL Assistant, among other changes. As always, the new release is available from community add-ons website and via Add-on Updater:

 

IMPORTANT NOTICES:

 

  • Due to an upcoming change to how settings for encoders are handled, 20.06 is a mandatory update for everyone.
  • As some of you may know, I plan to hand over the add-on to the NVDA community next year in hopes that folks can improve it. As a preparation for that, I’ll be switching the add-on to bug fix mode this fall. Before doing so, I’m interested in gathering suggestions about the add-on from you so I can think about them in coming weeks. But you need to hurry: the deadline for submitting feature suggestions is May 31, 2020. You can submit feedback via NVDA-SPL mailing list or to me privately (email or Twitter; my Twitter handle is @joslee). By end of summer, I’ll let you know if your suggestions can be done.

 

Cheers,

Joseph

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