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Re: What do You prefer to write Docs, Presentations, or Spreadsheets with NVDA

Arlene
 

Alright, I’ll go check it out! Thanks. The reason I asked that question about PDF I had to fill out a Canadian Government form that was PDF I had to call the CNIB to get help filling out the form. 

 

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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: May 21, 2020 11:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] What do You prefer to write Docs, Presentations, or Spreadsheets with NVDA

 

Sorry, the link I meant to post was:  http://www.multidoc-converter.com/en/index.html

It tells you what types can be converted on its main page.

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Re: What do You prefer to write Docs, Presentations, or Spreadsheets with NVDA

 

Sorry, the link I meant to post was:  http://www.multidoc-converter.com/en/index.html

It tells you what types can be converted on its main page.

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Re: What do You prefer to write Docs, Presentations, or Spreadsheets with NVDA

 

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 02:17 PM, Arlene wrote:
Hi, will it convert PDF documents to word documents or whatever you have on your computer?
http://www.multidoc-converter.com/en/support/index.html
 
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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

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Re: What do You prefer to write Docs, Presentations, or Spreadsheets with NVDA

Arlene
 

Hi, will it convert PDF documents to word documents or whatever you have on your computer?

 

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From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: May 21, 2020 7:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] What do You prefer to write Docs, Presentations, or Spreadsheets with NVDA

 

yes it is a computer-only program and yes it batch-converts multiple documents very very fast, and yes it is very easy to use. 

 


Re: Accessible scanner drivers

Tyaseta Rabita Nugraeni Sardjono <tyasetarabita@...>
 

Hp n canon scanner have software from factory which is accessible without 3rd party app


On Thu, May 21, 2020, 21:38 Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...> wrote:
Hello all,
I am looking to buy a new scanner as my old one just died. However I've
heard that scanner drivers from many manufacturers tend to be not very
accessible. Can anyone recommend me which scanner (or scanner+printer)
comes with accessible driver/accompanying software?
Thanks!
Tony





Re: Accessible scanner drivers

 

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 01:59 PM, sardar shankar wrote:
may be oftopic can any one tell me how to do auto scan in omni page
It is off-topic.  If, after having consulted Omnipage's own help page for this, http://omnipage.helpmax.net/en/bringing-images-into-omnipage/scanning/scanning-pages/, which gives step-by-step instructions for virtually any type of document, you need additional help please start a topic in the Chat Subgroup.

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Re: Accessible scanner drivers

sardar shankar
 

may be oftopic can any one tell me how to do auto scan in omni page
like we do in kurzweil and abbyy fine reader.

On 5/21/20, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
I can definitely say that OCR engines in general have improved more
substantially than I can even express over the last several decades.  You
can have some very, very crappy originals and still get remarkably accurate
results.  For those of us of a certain age where mimeographed copies were
later photocopied you get these things that have little dots scattered all
over the place and blotches here and there.  When I've OCRed these (or image
PDF versions of these) in recent years the results have been nearly perfect,
which is saying something.

I also just tested the Canon IJ Scan Utility with NVDA and all of its
buttons are accessible and, given how little its changed over the years, I'd
expect that the underlying functions for each, when they require user
interaction, will be so as well.  For single page scanning to PDF all you do
is hit one button and you're done.

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Took Hold in the United States (
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html
) , September 23, 2019




Re: Accessible scanner drivers

 

I can definitely say that OCR engines in general have improved more substantially than I can even express over the last several decades.  You can have some very, very crappy originals and still get remarkably accurate results.  For those of us of a certain age where mimeographed copies were later photocopied you get these things that have little dots scattered all over the place and blotches here and there.  When I've OCRed these (or image PDF versions of these) in recent years the results have been nearly perfect, which is saying something.

I also just tested the Canon IJ Scan Utility with NVDA and all of its buttons are accessible and, given how little its changed over the years, I'd expect that the underlying functions for each, when they require user interaction, will be so as well.  For single page scanning to PDF all you do is hit one button and you're done.

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Re: Accessible scanner drivers

Gene
 

I know that Epson Perfection scanners used to come with an accessible version of Fine Reader, but a number of years ago, comments on one or two lists indicated that the software provided with the scanner is no longer accessible.  I don't know about other scanners.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible scanner drivers

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 10:59 AM, Gene wrote:
It used to be that at least some scanners came with accessible OCR programs.  I don't know enough about this to generalize, but it is my impression that not as many do now.
Gene, since you asked for comment, this is precisely the opposite of my experience, still ongoing.  I don't know of a single home or office grade flatbed scanner or multi-function that doesn't include OCR as part of its "scan to PDF" function.  They've all been doing this for years now.

I have a personal preference for Canon multi-function machines, which definitely include OCR functionality, but mostly because they still sell a number of models with separate ink tanks, which are less expensive in the long run, and infinitely less expensive if you buy automatic reset chip (ARC) tanks that you can refill.

A dear friend of mine who's my mother's age, and has been totally blind since birth, has been using a now-out-of-production Canon multi-function that I recommended to her for somewhere around 5 years or so now.  She does have scanning software other than that which comes with the multi-function, though, and I'm not sure which software she's using with it.

I have to admit that I am at least a bit confused by the original question, as I have not directly interfaced with a scanner driver, whether with a sighted or blind client, in years.  The application software that comes with or that you can use with the device is the user interface.
 
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Re: Accessible scanner drivers

Gene
 

I don't know how good it is.  It used to be inferior in accuracy of recognition but I didn't use it enough to know if it was acceptable.  When I tried it, it was a simple program and some people my like it for its simplicity if the results are good enough.  There is a demo available.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:52 AM
Subject: [nvda] scanner software

I forgot to add that there is also a program called text cloner that is roughly $129 and is complete accessible.

I know of two other blind people that use it.

 


Re: Accessible scanner drivers

 

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 10:59 AM, Gene wrote:
It used to be that at least some scanners came with accessible OCR programs.  I don't know enough about this to generalize, but it is my impression that not as many do now.
Gene, since you asked for comment, this is precisely the opposite of my experience, still ongoing.  I don't know of a single home or office grade flatbed scanner or multi-function that doesn't include OCR as part of its "scan to PDF" function.  They've all been doing this for years now.

I have a personal preference for Canon multi-function machines, which definitely include OCR functionality, but mostly because they still sell a number of models with separate ink tanks, which are less expensive in the long run, and infinitely less expensive if you buy automatic reset chip (ARC) tanks that you can refill.

A dear friend of mine who's my mother's age, and has been totally blind since birth, has been using a now-out-of-production Canon multi-function that I recommended to her for somewhere around 5 years or so now.  She does have scanning software other than that which comes with the multi-function, though, and I'm not sure which software she's using with it.

I have to admit that I am at least a bit confused by the original question, as I have not directly interfaced with a scanner driver, whether with a sighted or blind client, in years.  The application software that comes with or that you can use with the device is the user interface.
 
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Accessible scanner drivers

Richard Kuzma
 

I forgot to add that there is also a program called text cloner that is roughly $129 and is complete accessible.

I know of two other blind people that use it.

 


Re: Accessible scanner drivers

Bob Jutzi
 

In my case, I have a cheap Canon LiDE120.  The driver has its own installer which is extremely accessible with NVDA.  I use KNFB Reader for Windows 10 since I bought cheap when launched.  I also purchased Omnipage 19 on Ebay extremely cheap.  Also works perfect with NVDA.

On 5/21/2020 10:59 AM, Gene wrote:
Others may want to make correction s or expand on what I'm saying.  I haven't kept up with scanners for years but this is my understanding of how things used to be.
 
I don't know if the driver has anything too do with what the scanner supports.  It used to be that at least some scanners came with accessible OCR programs.  I don't know enough about this to generalize, but it is my impression that not as many do now.  The thing to do might be to ask the list for good scanners to use for OCR and get a program like Fine Reader to use with it, which is accessible and much cheaper than software for blind people such as Openbook or Kurzweil.  It isn't a question of whether the driver is accessible, but whether you can use the scanner with accessible scanning programs.  Do scanners usually support the TWAIN interface?  I believe Fine Reader uses that interface.  I havedn't looked into whether the TWAIN interface is necessary with such programs and others may comment.
The Epson Perfection series of scanners has been popular with blind people scanning documents for a long time.  I haven't looked into the line for years and others can comment on whether it is still popular. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible scanner drivers

Depends on what software you are going to use with it.
If you are using open book and/or kerzweil os something like that all you should need is twain support and that will be transparent to the software.
I havea a standalone black and white brother inexpensive laser printer that I just love and a separate cannon scanner that is working like a champ.
Hope this helps
Rich


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Malykh
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Accessible scanner drivers

Hello all,
I am looking to buy a new scanner as my old one just died. However I've heard that scanner drivers from many manufacturers tend to be not very accessible. Can anyone recommend me which scanner (or scanner+printer) comes with accessible driver/accompanying software?
Thanks!
Tony









Re: Accessible scanner drivers

Gene
 

Others may want to make correction s or expand on what I'm saying.  I haven't kept up with scanners for years but this is my understanding of how things used to be.
 
I don't know if the driver has anything too do with what the scanner supports.  It used to be that at least some scanners came with accessible OCR programs.  I don't know enough about this to generalize, but it is my impression that not as many do now.  The thing to do might be to ask the list for good scanners to use for OCR and get a program like Fine Reader to use with it, which is accessible and much cheaper than software for blind people such as Openbook or Kurzweil.  It isn't a question of whether the driver is accessible, but whether you can use the scanner with accessible scanning programs.  Do scanners usually support the TWAIN interface?  I believe Fine Reader uses that interface.  I havedn't looked into whether the TWAIN interface is necessary with such programs and others may comment.
The Epson Perfection series of scanners has been popular with blind people scanning documents for a long time.  I haven't looked into the line for years and others can comment on whether it is still popular. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible scanner drivers

Depends on what software you are going to use with it.
If you are using open book and/or kerzweil os something like that all you should need is twain support and that will be transparent to the software.
I havea a standalone black and white brother inexpensive laser printer that I just love and a separate cannon scanner that is working like a champ.
Hope this helps
Rich


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Malykh
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Accessible scanner drivers

Hello all,
I am looking to buy a new scanner as my old one just died. However I've heard that scanner drivers from many manufacturers tend to be not very accessible. Can anyone recommend me which scanner (or scanner+printer) comes with accessible driver/accompanying software?
Thanks!
Tony








Re: Accessible scanner drivers

Richard Kuzma
 

Depends on what software you are going to use with it.
If you are using open book and/or kerzweil os something like that all you should need is twain support and that will be transparent to the software.
I havea a standalone black and white brother inexpensive laser printer that I just love and a separate cannon scanner that is working like a champ.
Hope this helps
Rich

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Malykh
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Accessible scanner drivers

Hello all,
I am looking to buy a new scanner as my old one just died. However I've heard that scanner drivers from many manufacturers tend to be not very accessible. Can anyone recommend me which scanner (or scanner+printer) comes with accessible driver/accompanying software?
Thanks!
Tony


Accessible scanner drivers

Tony Malykh
 

Hello all,
I am looking to buy a new scanner as my old one just died. However I've heard that scanner drivers from many manufacturers tend to be not very accessible. Can anyone recommend me which scanner (or scanner+printer) comes with accessible driver/accompanying software?
Thanks!
Tony


Re: A few questions

Akshaya Choudhary
 

One more thing, Quentin. Since I’m experimenting with Phonetic Punctuation add-on, I created a profile for the same and set it to manual activation. To  use the add-on as per my preference, I changed the punctuation level for left quote, right quote, and bang. Now, when I switch to normal profile, it has a different synthesizer and Phonetic Punctuations is turned off, like I want and like I set it to be. But, the change in the punctuation levels of one profile is carried to the other profile. I would like to have different punctuation settings for these two profiles. How can I achieve this?

In short, I wish to have a profile with Phonetic Punctuation turned on, which I can manually activate, and which has its own punctuation settings. I wish to use this profile as an alternate to the normal profile, and thus don’t want it to be tied to a single application.

 


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Re: What do You prefer to write Docs, Presentations, or Spreadsheets with NVDA

Josh Kennedy
 

yes it is a computer-only program and yes it batch-converts multiple documents very very fast, and yes it is very easy to use. 


Re: document converter things

Gene
 

I would think you are discussing performing OCR on documents and then saving them in a new format./  That is not the original document.  it is a recognized copy and is unlikely to be what is wanted.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: ely.r@...
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] [node] document converter things

I to would strongly suggest Abby. I have been using it for years and it works very well. It is interesting that other OCR products license the Abby engine to do the OCR operation. Most of those products do not make a point of telling that to their customers.

Rick

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyaseta Rabita Nugraeni Sardjono
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 3:36 AM
To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] document converter things

 

Try Abby fine reader, 

 

On Thu, May 21, 2020, 12:47 Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Hi.

Further to my old document conversion issue a user suggested multiple
document converter by polenter software.

I downloaded it but found 2 issues.

1.  the program is not fully accessible.

Thats fine, I have only 2 large folders of files I want to convert.

2.  on converting my word 95 files to 2003-word97 files, the files
themselves were corrupted and jarte crashed.

I then tried docx.


Every document I had which was quite old my word 95 files for example,
were blank.

This converter aint for me.

I have jarte which I payed for, which does everything I want.

Sadly I may have to get libre office or ms office or something so I can
read the files, I have a system with libre office and the files are read
fine enough, and I hardly need them, but if there is another document
converter even ifits a low cost office thing I'll try that.

This one just is not serving my purpose.

I also had a little trouble accessing it and in fact the rest of the
polenter apps were not especially usable.

I wander if there are document converters in the ms store.





Re: document converter things

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


Try this one.  It's got a free and a professional version, is accessible with screen readers, and should do the job.


https://www.nchsoftware.com/documentconvert/index.html


Tony

On 5/21/2020 1:47 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

Further to my old document conversion issue a user suggested multiple document converter by polenter software.

I downloaded it but found 2 issues.

1.  the program is not fully accessible.

Thats fine, I have only 2 large folders of files I want to convert.

2.  on converting my word 95 files to 2003-word97 files, the files themselves were corrupted and jarte crashed.

I then tried docx.


Every document I had which was quite old my word 95 files for example, were blank.

This converter aint for me.

I have jarte which I payed for, which does everything I want.

Sadly I may have to get libre office or ms office or something so I can read the files, I have a system with libre office and the files are read fine enough, and I hardly need them, but if there is another document converter even ifits a low cost office thing I'll try that.

This one just is not serving my purpose.

I also had a little trouble accessing it and in fact the rest of the polenter apps were not especially usable.

I wander if there are document converters in the ms store.