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Re: Accessible scanner drivers
Gene
As I think about it, it was something like fifteen
years ago that I installed Epson software.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible scanner drivers It isn't a question of the driver being
inaccessible. it’s a question of the installation program being
inaccessible. Do you know how to work with object navigation and screen
review? Do you also have another screen-reader available, it can be as a
demo. I don't have any idea if you could have used the installation
software. About ten years ago, I installed Epson software. I may
have had to use something like object navigation and/or another screen-reader, I
don't remember now. But we need more information about what you have and
if you know how to use these ways of navigation.
It also sounds as though you have sighted help
now. if you install the driver or the full software, any compatible OCR
program that can cause the scanner to run and have the information transferred
to it will be able to be used. You aren't working with the driver.
You are working with the OCR program and that program is communicating with the
driver.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Malykh
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible scanner drivers To clarify my original question, my old scanner is Epson, and it's driver was
completely inaccessible, so I was unable to install it, and back then I didn't
have anyone sighted to help me - so no matter what OCR program you're using,
without a driver it's not going to work. So this time I would like to check that
the driver is accessible first and foremost. On 5/21/2020 9:21 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 10:59 AM, Gene wrote:
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Re: Accessible scanner drivers
Gene
It isn't a question of the driver being
inaccessible. it’s a question of the installation program being
inaccessible. Do you know how to work with object navigation and screen
review? Do you also have another screen-reader available, it can be as a
demo. I don't have any idea if you could have used the installation
software. About ten years ago, I installed Epson software. I may
have had to use something like object navigation and/or another screen-reader, I
don't remember now. But we need more information about what you have and
if you know how to use these ways of navigation.
It also sounds as though you have sighted help
now. if you install the driver or the full software, any compatible OCR
program that can cause the scanner to run and have the information transferred
to it will be able to be used. You aren't working with the driver.
You are working with the OCR program and that program is communicating with the
driver.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Malykh
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible scanner drivers To clarify my original question, my old scanner is Epson, and it's driver was
completely inaccessible, so I was unable to install it, and back then I didn't
have anyone sighted to help me - so no matter what OCR program you're using,
without a driver it's not going to work. So this time I would like to check that
the driver is accessible first and foremost. On 5/21/2020 9:21 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 10:59 AM, Gene wrote:
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Re: Accessible scanner drivers
Tony Malykh
To clarify my original question, my old scanner is Epson, and
it's driver was completely inaccessible, so I was unable to
install it, and back then I didn't have anyone sighted to help me
- so no matter what OCR program you're using, without a driver
it's not going to work. So this time I would like to check that
the driver is accessible first and foremost.
On 5/21/2020 9:21 AM, Brian Vogel
wrote:
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 10:59 AM, Gene wrote:
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Re: Accessible scanner drivers
hurrikennyandopo ...
Hi Tony
I have noticed unless it states it has OCR software on the box some where it does not seem to have it. some times it will mention the software with the scanner that you can look up to see if it is there.
What I have done lately is depending on the scanner software if it is crap and not useable with a screen reader on the new printer is I have brought the KNFB reader when it is on sale a few years back for windows 10.
it is very accessible with nvda I think you can try it out and do 25 scans for free with some limitations but forget what they are.
If you have the same account on both computers with other scanners from other manufactures it seems you can use that software on those computers as well with the software.
So last time I got a muti function printer scanner package for 18 bucks as I only wanted the scanner and used the KNFB reader with it it if I remember right either used it own drivers or the scanners to use the KNFb reader.
I have the saem software on my android phone the KNFB reader and have that on a couple of phones with the same account very use full to read those things that come by real mail but not hand written.
Gene nz
On 22/05/2020 6:10 am, Tyaseta Rabita
Nugraeni Sardjono wrote:
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ExpressSctribe and NVDA
Janet Brandly
Hello,
ExpressScribe is accessible with screen readers. I used it with WE throughout an entire course in medical transcription I took 10 years ago. I tried the demo version recently and it worked with NVDA just fine.
Hope this helps.
Janet
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Re: What do You prefer to write Docs, Presentations, or Spreadsheets with NVDA
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 02:40 PM, Arlene wrote:
I had to fill out a Canadian Government form that was PDF I had to call the CNIB to get help filling out the form.As I've mentioned in the past, there are a very great many people who do not know how to design a fillable form, whether in PDF or MS-Word. I've had a few US government forms that were billed as fillable that either were not at all, or were, but you couldn't save the filled-in form, which is pretty useless from a record keeping perspective. And when you're actually dealing with fillable forms, type conversions often screw things up. It's pretty much a black box until you start trying to work with a given PDF file, regardless of what is claimed. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Re: A few questions
Akshaya Choudhary
Okay, I'm finding out that no matter what i do, the symbol/punctuation levels from one profile are carried over to the other. Is this an issue with NVDA in general, or with my copy in particular? It seems counter intuitive that two different profiles cannot have two different sets of punctuation settings.
-- Regards, Sociohack
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Re: What do You prefer to write Docs, Presentations, or Spreadsheets with NVDA
Arlene
Alright, I’ll go check it out! Thanks. The reason I asked that question about PDF I had to fill out a Canadian Government form that was PDF I had to call the CNIB to get help filling out the form.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: May 21, 2020 11:35 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] What do You prefer to write Docs, Presentations, or Spreadsheets with NVDA
Sorry, the link I meant to post was: http://www.multidoc-converter.com/en/index.html Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Re: What do You prefer to write Docs, Presentations, or Spreadsheets with NVDA
Sorry, the link I meant to post was: http://www.multidoc-converter.com/en/index.html
It tells you what types can be converted on its main page. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Re: What do You prefer to write Docs, Presentations, or Spreadsheets with NVDA
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 02:17 PM, Arlene wrote:
Hi, will it convert PDF documents to word documents or whatever you have on your computer?http://www.multidoc-converter.com/en/support/index.html -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Re: What do You prefer to write Docs, Presentations, or Spreadsheets with NVDA
Arlene
Hi, will it convert PDF documents to word documents or whatever you have on your computer?
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: May 21, 2020 7:31 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] What do You prefer to write Docs, Presentations, or Spreadsheets with NVDA
yes it is a computer-only program and yes it batch-converts multiple documents very very fast, and yes it is very easy to use.
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Re: Accessible scanner drivers
Tyaseta Rabita Nugraeni Sardjono <tyasetarabita@...>
Hp n canon scanner have software from factory which is accessible without 3rd party app
On Thu, May 21, 2020, 21:38 Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...> wrote: Hello all,
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Re: Accessible scanner drivers
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 01:59 PM, sardar shankar wrote:
may be oftopic can any one tell me how to do auto scan in omni pageIt is off-topic. If, after having consulted Omnipage's own help page for this, http://omnipage.helpmax.net/en/bringing-images-into-omnipage/scanning/scanning-pages/, which gives step-by-step instructions for virtually any type of document, you need additional help please start a topic in the Chat Subgroup. NVDA Chat Subgroup Addresses
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-- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Re: Accessible scanner drivers
sardar shankar
may be oftopic can any one tell me how to do auto scan in omni page
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like we do in kurzweil and abbyy fine reader.
On 5/21/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
I can definitely say that OCR engines in general have improved more
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Re: Accessible scanner drivers
I can definitely say that OCR engines in general have improved more substantially than I can even express over the last several decades. You can have some very, very crappy originals and still get remarkably accurate results. For those of us of a certain age where mimeographed copies were later photocopied you get these things that have little dots scattered all over the place and blotches here and there. When I've OCRed these (or image PDF versions of these) in recent years the results have been nearly perfect, which is saying something.
I also just tested the Canon IJ Scan Utility with NVDA and all of its buttons are accessible and, given how little its changed over the years, I'd expect that the underlying functions for each, when they require user interaction, will be so as well. For single page scanning to PDF all you do is hit one button and you're done. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Re: Accessible scanner drivers
Gene
I know that Epson Perfection scanners used to come
with an accessible version of Fine Reader, but a number of years ago, comments
on one or two lists indicated that the software provided with the scanner is no
longer accessible. I don't know about other scanners.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible scanner drivers It used to be that at least some scanners came with accessible OCR programs. I don't know enough about this to generalize, but it is my impression that not as many do now.Gene, since you asked for comment, this is precisely the opposite of my experience, still ongoing. I don't know of a single home or office grade flatbed scanner or multi-function that doesn't include OCR as part of its "scan to PDF" function. They've all been doing this for years now. I have a personal preference for Canon multi-function machines, which definitely include OCR functionality, but mostly because they still sell a number of models with separate ink tanks, which are less expensive in the long run, and infinitely less expensive if you buy automatic reset chip (ARC) tanks that you can refill. A dear friend of mine who's my mother's age, and has been totally blind since birth, has been using a now-out-of-production Canon multi-function that I recommended to her for somewhere around 5 years or so now. She does have scanning software other than that which comes with the multi-function, though, and I'm not sure which software she's using with it. I have to admit that I am at least a bit confused by the original question, as I have not directly interfaced with a scanner driver, whether with a sighted or blind client, in years. The application software that comes with or that you can use with the device is the user interface. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Re: Accessible scanner drivers
Gene
I don't know how good it is. It used to be
inferior in accuracy of recognition but I didn't use it enough to know if it was
acceptable. When I tried it, it was a simple program and some people my
like it for its simplicity if the results are good enough. There is a demo
available.
Gene
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Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:52 AM
Subject: [nvda] scanner software I forgot to add that there is also a program called text cloner that is roughly $129 and is complete accessible. I know of two other blind people that use it.
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Re: Accessible scanner drivers
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 10:59 AM, Gene wrote:
It used to be that at least some scanners came with accessible OCR programs. I don't know enough about this to generalize, but it is my impression that not as many do now.Gene, since you asked for comment, this is precisely the opposite of my experience, still ongoing. I don't know of a single home or office grade flatbed scanner or multi-function that doesn't include OCR as part of its "scan to PDF" function. They've all been doing this for years now. I have a personal preference for Canon multi-function machines, which definitely include OCR functionality, but mostly because they still sell a number of models with separate ink tanks, which are less expensive in the long run, and infinitely less expensive if you buy automatic reset chip (ARC) tanks that you can refill. A dear friend of mine who's my mother's age, and has been totally blind since birth, has been using a now-out-of-production Canon multi-function that I recommended to her for somewhere around 5 years or so now. She does have scanning software other than that which comes with the multi-function, though, and I'm not sure which software she's using with it. I have to admit that I am at least a bit confused by the original question, as I have not directly interfaced with a scanner driver, whether with a sighted or blind client, in years. The application software that comes with or that you can use with the device is the user interface. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Accessible scanner drivers
Richard Kuzma
I forgot to add that there is also a program called text cloner that is roughly $129 and is complete accessible. I know of two other blind people that use it.
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Re: Accessible scanner drivers
Bob Jutzi
In my case, I have a cheap Canon
LiDE120. The driver has its own installer which is extremely
accessible with NVDA. I use KNFB Reader for Windows 10 since I
bought cheap when launched. I also purchased Omnipage 19 on Ebay
extremely cheap. Also works perfect with NVDA.
On 5/21/2020 10:59 AM, Gene wrote:
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