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Re: document converter things

Richard Kuzma
 

Good morning,
For what it is worth, I have used several of NCH's products and they are practactly 100 percent accessible.
Most of them even come with a thirty day demo.
Hope this helps

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] document converter things

aah ok I'lll look at that to.


On 22/05/2020 1:34 am, Tony Ballou wrote:
Hi,


Try this one. It's got a free and a professional version, is
accessible with screen readers, and should do the job.


https://www.nchsoftware.com/documentconvert/index.html


Tony

On 5/21/2020 1:47 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

Further to my old document conversion issue a user suggested multiple
document converter by polenter software.

I downloaded it but found 2 issues.

1. the program is not fully accessible.

Thats fine, I have only 2 large folders of files I want to convert.

2. on converting my word 95 files to 2003-word97 files, the files
themselves were corrupted and jarte crashed.

I then tried docx.


Every document I had which was quite old my word 95 files for
example, were blank.

This converter aint for me.

I have jarte which I payed for, which does everything I want.

Sadly I may have to get libre office or ms office or something so I
can read the files, I have a system with libre office and the files
are read fine enough, and I hardly need them, but if there is another
document converter even ifits a low cost office thing I'll try that.

This one just is not serving my purpose.

I also had a little trouble accessing it and in fact the rest of the
polenter apps were not especially usable.

I wander if there are document converters in the ms store.






Re: Excel NVDA and Large Text Cells

Quentin Christensen
 

Which Synthesizer are you using?  I just typed 150 words in a cell with eSpeak NG and it read fine all the way, and read back.  Then I did the same thing with OneCore and it worked.  I just realised I used NVDA 2020.1 - is there a reason you are using 2019.3.1 and now 2020.1?  Also are you using any add-ons?  If you restart Excel with add-ans disabled, does the spreadsheet work any better?

Re Louis suggestion - you shouldn't need to turn off allow editing in Cells - That was fixed over a year ago, but do let us know if it makes a difference.  Ah here it is - 2019.1 had the fix for the editing in cells bug: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-29th-march/

Aravind, Please don't hijack threads - I know this is about Excel but it is a completely different question.  Yours is a perfectly valid question, just would be better in its own thread (to be honest, off the top of my head I'm not sure - I'll have to have a look at it later).

Quentin.

On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 8:55 PM Aravind R <aravind.andhrabank@...> wrote:
Friends, is NVDA supportive in vlookup function? normal uses mouse to
select column range for second argument which is easily done by jaws
using control+page up/down then selection keyboard commands. but, NVDA
is not reading the selection. is there any work around with NVDA?

On 22/05/2020, Louis Maher <ljmaher03@...> wrote:
> Hello Ed,
>
> Some tips for Excel cell editing.
>
> You can open a cell for editing with f2.  When you are editing with f2, alt
> + enter will insert a line feed in that cell without throwing you out of the
> cell.
>
> Also, depending on what Microsoft and your screen editor have done lately,
> it is advisable to:
> Open an Excel spreadsheet. Type alt + f. Up arrow to options.  Hit enter.
> Arrow down to advanced. Tab to “Allow editing directly in cells” and uncheck
> that box.  Tab to ok.
>
> This might help your situation.
>
>
> Regards
> Louis Maher
> Phone: 713-444-7838
> E-mail ljmaher03@...
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 4:05 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Excel NVDA and Large Text Cells
>
>               I have a template Excel spreadsheet that I need to use over
> and over.  It does some rudimentary computations, but mostly it is a
> repository for data.
> I have problems with one column.  In that particular column, I need to enter
> a significant bit of text.  We are not talking about paragraphs.  Instead,
> the maximum length is about 30 words.
> Once the text exceeds, on average, five or six words, Excel goes totally
> silent.  Text continues to be entered, but there is no sound, even when
> using arrows or the tab key to move around.  I need to use Alt+Tab out and
> back again to restore speech.
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> I’m using the highest 19 version of NVDA (before version 2020) and the
> latest version of Excel.
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
>
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> recipients above and may contain information that is privileged, attorney
> work product or otherwise protected by applicable law. If you have received
> this message in error, please notify the sender at 402-346-6000 and delete
> this E-mail message. Thank you.
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>
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mobile no: +91 9940369593,
email id : aravind_069@..., aravind.andhrabank@....
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can't seem to navigate through lists

Darren Harris
 

Hi all,

 

For some reason I can’t seem to navigate through lists. I go to a list on a web page, hit l, then I try navigating it with the up and down cursers but I can’t.

 

 

 

Any help please?


Re: Excel NVDA and Large Text Cells

Aravind R
 

Friends, is NVDA supportive in vlookup function? normal uses mouse to
select column range for second argument which is easily done by jaws
using control+page up/down then selection keyboard commands. but, NVDA
is not reading the selection. is there any work around with NVDA?

On 22/05/2020, Louis Maher <ljmaher03@...> wrote:
Hello Ed,

Some tips for Excel cell editing.

You can open a cell for editing with f2. When you are editing with f2, alt
+ enter will insert a line feed in that cell without throwing you out of the
cell.

Also, depending on what Microsoft and your screen editor have done lately,
it is advisable to:
Open an Excel spreadsheet. Type alt + f. Up arrow to options. Hit enter.
Arrow down to advanced. Tab to “Allow editing directly in cells” and uncheck
that box. Tab to ok.

This might help your situation.


Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail ljmaher03@...

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 4:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Excel NVDA and Large Text Cells

I have a template Excel spreadsheet that I need to use over
and over. It does some rudimentary computations, but mostly it is a
repository for data.
I have problems with one column. In that particular column, I need to enter
a significant bit of text. We are not talking about paragraphs. Instead,
the maximum length is about 30 words.
Once the text exceeds, on average, five or six words, Excel goes totally
silent. Text continues to be entered, but there is no sound, even when
using arrows or the tab key to move around. I need to use Alt+Tab out and
back again to restore speech.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
I’m using the highest 19 version of NVDA (before version 2020) and the
latest version of Excel.
Thanks in advance.




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nothing is difficult unless you make it appear so.

r. aravind,

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Department of sales
bank of baroda specialised mortgage store, Chennai.
mobile no: +91 9940369593,
email id : aravind_069@..., aravind.andhrabank@....
aravind.rajendran@....


Re: Excel NVDA and Large Text Cells

Louis Maher
 

Hello Ed,

 

Some tips for Excel cell editing.

 

You can open a cell for editing with f2.  When you are editing with f2, alt + enter will insert a line feed in that cell without throwing you out of the cell. 

 

Also, depending on what Microsoft and your screen editor have done lately, it is advisable to:

Open an Excel spreadsheet. Type alt + f. Up arrow to options.  Hit enter. Arrow down to advanced. Tab to “Allow editing directly in cells” and uncheck that box.  Tab to ok.

 

This might help your situation.

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 4:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Excel NVDA and Large Text Cells

 

              I have a template Excel spreadsheet that I need to use over and over.  It does some rudimentary computations, but mostly it is a repository for data.

I have problems with one column.  In that particular column, I need to enter a significant bit of text.  We are not talking about paragraphs.  Instead, the maximum length is about 30 words.

Once the text exceeds, on average, five or six words, Excel goes totally silent.  Text continues to be entered, but there is no sound, even when using arrows or the tab key to move around.  I need to use Alt+Tab out and back again to restore speech.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

I’m using the highest 19 version of NVDA (before version 2020) and the latest version of Excel.

Thanks in advance.

 




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Excel NVDA and Large Text Cells

Marquette, Ed
 

              I have a template Excel spreadsheet that I need to use over and over.  It does some rudimentary computations, but mostly it is a repository for data.

I have problems with one column.  In that particular column, I need to enter a significant bit of text.  We are not talking about paragraphs.  Instead, the maximum length is about 30 words.

Once the text exceeds, on average, five or six words, Excel goes totally silent.  Text continues to be entered, but there is no sound, even when using arrows or the tab key to move around.  I need to use Alt+Tab out and back again to restore speech.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

I’m using the highest 19 version of NVDA (before version 2020) and the latest version of Excel.

Thanks in advance.

 




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Re: Accessible scanner drivers

Gene
 

Do you still have the old scanner and software and does the old scanner work?  You may have to connect the old scanner to install the software.  You may be able to begin the installation but at some point, it may ask you to connect the scanner.  If you install the old software, and it has Fine Reader as the provided OCR program, you can use it with other scanners or with the old one. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:19 AM
To: nvda
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible scanner drivers

Abby fine reader can scan your document

On Fri, May 22, 2020, 04:46 Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...> wrote:

To clarify my original question, my old scanner is Epson, and it's driver was completely inaccessible, so I was unable to install it, and back then I didn't have anyone sighted to help me - so no matter what OCR program you're using, without a driver it's not going to work. So this time I would like to check that the driver is accessible first and foremost.

On 5/21/2020 9:21 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 10:59 AM, Gene wrote:
It used to be that at least some scanners came with accessible OCR programs.  I don't know enough about this to generalize, but it is my impression that not as many do now.
Gene, since you asked for comment, this is precisely the opposite of my experience, still ongoing.  I don't know of a single home or office grade flatbed scanner or multi-function that doesn't include OCR as part of its "scan to PDF" function.  They've all been doing this for years now.

I have a personal preference for Canon multi-function machines, which definitely include OCR functionality, but mostly because they still sell a number of models with separate ink tanks, which are less expensive in the long run, and infinitely less expensive if you buy automatic reset chip (ARC) tanks that you can refill.

A dear friend of mine who's my mother's age, and has been totally blind since birth, has been using a now-out-of-production Canon multi-function that I recommended to her for somewhere around 5 years or so now.  She does have scanning software other than that which comes with the multi-function, though, and I'm not sure which software she's using with it.

I have to admit that I am at least a bit confused by the original question, as I have not directly interfaced with a scanner driver, whether with a sighted or blind client, in years.  The application software that comes with or that you can use with the device is the user interface.
 
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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

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Re: Accessible scanner drivers

Tyaseta Rabita Nugraeni Sardjono <tyasetarabita@...>
 

Abby fine reader can scan your document


On Fri, May 22, 2020, 04:46 Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...> wrote:

To clarify my original question, my old scanner is Epson, and it's driver was completely inaccessible, so I was unable to install it, and back then I didn't have anyone sighted to help me - so no matter what OCR program you're using, without a driver it's not going to work. So this time I would like to check that the driver is accessible first and foremost.

On 5/21/2020 9:21 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 10:59 AM, Gene wrote:
It used to be that at least some scanners came with accessible OCR programs.  I don't know enough about this to generalize, but it is my impression that not as many do now.
Gene, since you asked for comment, this is precisely the opposite of my experience, still ongoing.  I don't know of a single home or office grade flatbed scanner or multi-function that doesn't include OCR as part of its "scan to PDF" function.  They've all been doing this for years now.

I have a personal preference for Canon multi-function machines, which definitely include OCR functionality, but mostly because they still sell a number of models with separate ink tanks, which are less expensive in the long run, and infinitely less expensive if you buy automatic reset chip (ARC) tanks that you can refill.

A dear friend of mine who's my mother's age, and has been totally blind since birth, has been using a now-out-of-production Canon multi-function that I recommended to her for somewhere around 5 years or so now.  She does have scanning software other than that which comes with the multi-function, though, and I'm not sure which software she's using with it.

I have to admit that I am at least a bit confused by the original question, as I have not directly interfaced with a scanner driver, whether with a sighted or blind client, in years.  The application software that comes with or that you can use with the device is the user interface.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: A few questions

Quentin Christensen
 

If you run NVDA without the add-on does the symbol level work as it should?  As you indicated, setting the punctuation level in a configuration profile should only affect that profile.

If you DON'T specify a particular setting in a configuration profile, and then change it in the normal profile, it will carry over, but if you then change it in the profile, it will take the profile setting.  To demonstrate:

1. using the normal profile.  Set the punctuation level to all
2. Create a profile and activate it.
3. Don't touch the punctuation level, but read something - all punctuation is read.
4. deactivate the profile.
5. Set punctuation level to none.
6. Activate the profile again.
7. Read something, punctuation level is set to none.
8. Set punctuation level to some.
9. Deactivate the profile.  Punctuation level returns to all (as set in the normal profile).
10. Activate the profile, punctuation level back to some.


On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 12:36 AM Akshaya Choudhary <acsociopath@...> wrote:

One more thing, Quentin. Since I’m experimenting with Phonetic Punctuation add-on, I created a profile for the same and set it to manual activation. To  use the add-on as per my preference, I changed the punctuation level for left quote, right quote, and bang. Now, when I switch to normal profile, it has a different synthesizer and Phonetic Punctuations is turned off, like I want and like I set it to be. But, the change in the punctuation levels of one profile is carried to the other profile. I would like to have different punctuation settings for these two profiles. How can I achieve this?

In short, I wish to have a profile with Phonetic Punctuation turned on, which I can manually activate, and which has its own punctuation settings. I wish to use this profile as an alternate to the normal profile, and thus don’t want it to be tied to a single application.

 


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Re: document converter things

 

Nch products do have toolbars but are supposed to be accessible.

I know these guys do exist but never thought about using their stuff. for this.

On 22/05/2020 6:17 pm, Ian Blackburn wrote:
I would be careful aware of NCH products and I would not trust an on line convert utility unless the files were not private.


It would be slow but open them in librioffice and then save them but if they have very simple formatting just copy the text and paste in to notepad. This will get rid of all formatting. I use this technique and have for years to smash complex formatting from word documents and other things like webpages.

you can get MS word reader which is free. Then do what I suggested - that is select all text and paste in to notepad and then save as plain text.


enjoy.


regards

Ian



On 22/05/2020 2:09 pm, Shaun Everiss wrote:

aah ok I'lll look at that to.


On 22/05/2020 1:34 am, Tony Ballou wrote:
Hi,


Try this one.  It's got a free and a professional version, is accessible with screen readers, and should do the job.


https://www.nchsoftware.com/documentconvert/index.html


Tony

On 5/21/2020 1:47 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

Further to my old document conversion issue a user suggested multiple document converter by polenter software.

I downloaded it but found 2 issues.

1.  the program is not fully accessible.

Thats fine, I have only 2 large folders of files I want to convert.

2.  on converting my word 95 files to 2003-word97 files, the files themselves were corrupted and jarte crashed.

I then tried docx.


Every document I had which was quite old my word 95 files for example, were blank.

This converter aint for me.

I have jarte which I payed for, which does everything I want.

Sadly I may have to get libre office or ms office or something so I can read the files, I have a system with libre office and the files are read fine enough, and I hardly need them, but if there is another document converter even ifits a low cost office thing I'll try that.

This one just is not serving my purpose.

I also had a little trouble accessing it and in fact the rest of the polenter apps were not especially usable.

I wander if there are document converters in the ms store.







Re: Accessible scanner drivers

 

Jean yeah you are right fine reader sprint v6 a stripped down abbyy came with some epson scanners of yesteryear.

However its worth noting that aparently while the sprint version does exist, its development does not mirror actual releases of abbyy fine reader.

The last versions I saw on the abbyy site were versions 8, and 11, suggesting that while abbyy may have fine reader sprint for some stuff that its either discontinued or just not something they care about anymore.



On 22/05/2020 4:50 am, Gene wrote:
I know that Epson Perfection scanners used to come with an accessible version of Fine Reader, but a number of years ago, comments on one or two lists indicated that the software provided with the scanner is no longer accessible.  I don't know about other scanners.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible scanner drivers

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 10:59 AM, Gene wrote:
It used to be that at least some scanners came with accessible OCR programs.  I don't know enough about this to generalize, but it is my impression that not as many do now.
Gene, since you asked for comment, this is precisely the opposite of my experience, still ongoing.  I don't know of a single home or office grade flatbed scanner or multi-function that doesn't include OCR as part of its "scan to PDF" function.  They've all been doing this for years now.

I have a personal preference for Canon multi-function machines, which definitely include OCR functionality, but mostly because they still sell a number of models with separate ink tanks, which are less expensive in the long run, and infinitely less expensive if you buy automatic reset chip (ARC) tanks that you can refill.

A dear friend of mine who's my mother's age, and has been totally blind since birth, has been using a now-out-of-production Canon multi-function that I recommended to her for somewhere around 5 years or so now.  She does have scanning software other than that which comes with the multi-function, though, and I'm not sure which software she's using with it.

I have to admit that I am at least a bit confused by the original question, as I have not directly interfaced with a scanner driver, whether with a sighted or blind client, in years.  The application software that comes with or that you can use with the device is the user interface.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Accessible scanner drivers

 

Hmmm most modern scanners unless they are the semi expensive ie over 200 dollars will have an ocr package.

Anything 90 dollars or under won't.

All depends what you want.

cannon will have an ok driver set, online html manual, etc.

Hp will have a reasonable driver set, web interfaces, email printing but their smart setup and printer apps just don't work however regular drivers are a snap.

Firmware updates can be a bit of a tricky beast but you can update from the web internal server and its ok.

The hp connected account system is a heck of a lot better than it was a couple years back.

I am unsure about epsom but they did come with abbyy fine reader sprint.

Hp ones may come with readiris which sadly after version 12 aint worth it, a pitty because the prices for readiris on hps are majorly cut down.

So a home version of readiris is a lot less than it would other wise be.

A corperate version is slightly more expensive than the home version but aparently a user that I have as a friend and a fellow tester at dolphin and former dealer says its rubbish.

Right now, the only issue which is not resolved is that abby 15 while having a lot more access is really slow on menu access.

I have told support, they have tested it, and given it to the devs who have also tested it.

The bug has been found and aparently fixed but there is no release date for the new v15.

So either buy and use abbyy 14 or 12 for now.

You can try 15 but the menus just don't speak right with any reader.

Now if you want something with all the features, server controls, etc, brother stuff is the best.

No eprint, but the ability for server side controls with software which I have not tried to use.

An accessible ish web interface and service pannel.

Not as good as hp's interface but not bad either.

As usual updates from the device for firmware the updaters can be a bit hit and miss otherwise though a bit better than hp.

The driver installers are slightly inaccessible on a couple screens but not to bad.

The software updaters are ok enough to use.

The iprint software after its set just runs but aint really accessible.

The drivers themselves are ok but not that accessible though once installed its fine.

A pluss for brothers is that there is a full version of paperport installed and this will work if you have any brother product on the system.

The updater for that works well to.

So it all depends on waht you want.

On 22/05/2020 2:38 am, Tony Malykh wrote:
Hello all,
I am looking to buy a new scanner as my old one just died. However I've heard that scanner drivers from many manufacturers tend to be not very accessible. Can anyone recommend me which scanner (or scanner+printer) comes with accessible driver/accompanying software?
Thanks!
Tony



.


Re: document converter things

Ian Blackburn
 

I would be careful aware of NCH products and I would not trust an on line convert utility unless the files were not private.


It would be slow but open them in librioffice and then save them but if they have very simple formatting just copy the text and paste in to notepad. This will get rid of all formatting. I use this technique and have for years to smash complex formatting from word documents and other things like webpages.

you can get MS word reader which is free. Then do what I suggested - that is select all text and paste in to notepad and then save as plain text.


enjoy.


regards

Ian

On 22/05/2020 2:09 pm, Shaun Everiss wrote:

aah ok I'lll look at that to.


On 22/05/2020 1:34 am, Tony Ballou wrote:
Hi,


Try this one.  It's got a free and a professional version, is accessible with screen readers, and should do the job.


https://www.nchsoftware.com/documentconvert/index.html


Tony

On 5/21/2020 1:47 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

Further to my old document conversion issue a user suggested multiple document converter by polenter software.

I downloaded it but found 2 issues.

1.  the program is not fully accessible.

Thats fine, I have only 2 large folders of files I want to convert.

2.  on converting my word 95 files to 2003-word97 files, the files themselves were corrupted and jarte crashed.

I then tried docx.


Every document I had which was quite old my word 95 files for example, were blank.

This converter aint for me.

I have jarte which I payed for, which does everything I want.

Sadly I may have to get libre office or ms office or something so I can read the files, I have a system with libre office and the files are read fine enough, and I hardly need them, but if there is another document converter even ifits a low cost office thing I'll try that.

This one just is not serving my purpose.

I also had a little trouble accessing it and in fact the rest of the polenter apps were not especially usable.

I wander if there are document converters in the ms store.






Re: document converter things

 

aah ok I'lll look at that to.

On 22/05/2020 1:34 am, Tony Ballou wrote:
Hi,


Try this one.  It's got a free and a professional version, is accessible with screen readers, and should do the job.


https://www.nchsoftware.com/documentconvert/index.html


Tony

On 5/21/2020 1:47 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

Further to my old document conversion issue a user suggested multiple document converter by polenter software.

I downloaded it but found 2 issues.

1.  the program is not fully accessible.

Thats fine, I have only 2 large folders of files I want to convert.

2.  on converting my word 95 files to 2003-word97 files, the files themselves were corrupted and jarte crashed.

I then tried docx.


Every document I had which was quite old my word 95 files for example, were blank.

This converter aint for me.

I have jarte which I payed for, which does everything I want.

Sadly I may have to get libre office or ms office or something so I can read the files, I have a system with libre office and the files are read fine enough, and I hardly need them, but if there is another document converter even ifits a low cost office thing I'll try that.

This one just is not serving my purpose.

I also had a little trouble accessing it and in fact the rest of the polenter apps were not especially usable.

I wander if there are document converters in the ms store.





Re: document converter things

 

Hi.

I'll look at that.

I was hoping for a batch converter but oh well.

These are not that important I need to do them right away.

On 22/05/2020 1:20 am, Kerryn Gunness via groups.io wrote:
u can try
zamzar.com
website to convert files to other formats

----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 1:47 AM
Subject: [nvda] document converter things


Hi.

Further to my old document conversion issue a user suggested multiple document converter by polenter software.

I downloaded it but found 2 issues.

1. the program is not fully accessible.

Thats fine, I have only 2 large folders of files I want to convert.

2. on converting my word 95 files to 2003-word97 files, the files themselves were corrupted and jarte crashed.

I then tried docx.


Every document I had which was quite old my word 95 files for example, were blank.

This converter aint for me.

I have jarte which I payed for, which does everything I want.

Sadly I may have to get libre office or ms office or something so I can read the files, I have a system with libre office and the files are read fine enough, and I hardly need them, but if there is another document converter even ifits a low cost office thing I'll try that.

This one just is not serving my purpose.

I also had a little trouble accessing it and in fact the rest of the polenter apps were not especially usable.

I wander if there are document converters in the ms store.






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Re: A few questions

Andre Fisher
 

Hi.

This is because Symbol Pronunciation settings are not profile specific. They work the same across all profiles and the normal configuration, similar to dictionaries.


Re: ExpressSctribe and NVDA

Betsy Grenevitch
 

Thank you so very much. I have some memory issues and could not remember if I had tried it with NVDA or windoweyes. Your help is greatly appreciated.


On 5/21/2020 4:30 PM, Janet Brandly wrote:

Hello,

 

ExpressScribe is accessible with screen readers. I used it with WE throughout an entire course in medical transcription I took 10 years ago. I tried the demo version recently and it worked with NVDA just fine.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Janet

 

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Re: Accessible scanner drivers

Gene
 

As I think about it, it was something like fifteen years ago that I installed Epson software.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible scanner drivers

It isn't a question of the driver being inaccessible.  it’s a question of the installation program being inaccessible.  Do you know how to work with object navigation and screen review?  Do you also have another screen-reader available, it can be as a demo.  I don't have any idea if you could have used the installation software.  About ten years ago, I installed Epson software.  I may have had to use something like object navigation and/or another screen-reader, I don't remember now.  But we need more information about what you have and if you know how to use these ways of navigation.
 
It also sounds as though you have sighted help now.  if you install the driver or the full software, any compatible OCR program that can cause the scanner to run and have the information transferred to it will be able to be used.  You aren't working with the driver.  You are working with the OCR program and that program is communicating with the driver.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible scanner drivers

To clarify my original question, my old scanner is Epson, and it's driver was completely inaccessible, so I was unable to install it, and back then I didn't have anyone sighted to help me - so no matter what OCR program you're using, without a driver it's not going to work. So this time I would like to check that the driver is accessible first and foremost.

On 5/21/2020 9:21 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 10:59 AM, Gene wrote:
It used to be that at least some scanners came with accessible OCR programs.  I don't know enough about this to generalize, but it is my impression that not as many do now.
Gene, since you asked for comment, this is precisely the opposite of my experience, still ongoing.  I don't know of a single home or office grade flatbed scanner or multi-function that doesn't include OCR as part of its "scan to PDF" function.  They've all been doing this for years now.

I have a personal preference for Canon multi-function machines, which definitely include OCR functionality, but mostly because they still sell a number of models with separate ink tanks, which are less expensive in the long run, and infinitely less expensive if you buy automatic reset chip (ARC) tanks that you can refill.

A dear friend of mine who's my mother's age, and has been totally blind since birth, has been using a now-out-of-production Canon multi-function that I recommended to her for somewhere around 5 years or so now.  She does have scanning software other than that which comes with the multi-function, though, and I'm not sure which software she's using with it.

I have to admit that I am at least a bit confused by the original question, as I have not directly interfaced with a scanner driver, whether with a sighted or blind client, in years.  The application software that comes with or that you can use with the device is the user interface.
 
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Re: Accessible scanner drivers

Gene
 

It isn't a question of the driver being inaccessible.  it’s a question of the installation program being inaccessible.  Do you know how to work with object navigation and screen review?  Do you also have another screen-reader available, it can be as a demo.  I don't have any idea if you could have used the installation software.  About ten years ago, I installed Epson software.  I may have had to use something like object navigation and/or another screen-reader, I don't remember now.  But we need more information about what you have and if you know how to use these ways of navigation.
 
It also sounds as though you have sighted help now.  if you install the driver or the full software, any compatible OCR program that can cause the scanner to run and have the information transferred to it will be able to be used.  You aren't working with the driver.  You are working with the OCR program and that program is communicating with the driver.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible scanner drivers

To clarify my original question, my old scanner is Epson, and it's driver was completely inaccessible, so I was unable to install it, and back then I didn't have anyone sighted to help me - so no matter what OCR program you're using, without a driver it's not going to work. So this time I would like to check that the driver is accessible first and foremost.

On 5/21/2020 9:21 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 10:59 AM, Gene wrote:
It used to be that at least some scanners came with accessible OCR programs.  I don't know enough about this to generalize, but it is my impression that not as many do now.
Gene, since you asked for comment, this is precisely the opposite of my experience, still ongoing.  I don't know of a single home or office grade flatbed scanner or multi-function that doesn't include OCR as part of its "scan to PDF" function.  They've all been doing this for years now.

I have a personal preference for Canon multi-function machines, which definitely include OCR functionality, but mostly because they still sell a number of models with separate ink tanks, which are less expensive in the long run, and infinitely less expensive if you buy automatic reset chip (ARC) tanks that you can refill.

A dear friend of mine who's my mother's age, and has been totally blind since birth, has been using a now-out-of-production Canon multi-function that I recommended to her for somewhere around 5 years or so now.  She does have scanning software other than that which comes with the multi-function, though, and I'm not sure which software she's using with it.

I have to admit that I am at least a bit confused by the original question, as I have not directly interfaced with a scanner driver, whether with a sighted or blind client, in years.  The application software that comes with or that you can use with the device is the user interface.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Accessible scanner drivers

Tony Malykh
 

To clarify my original question, my old scanner is Epson, and it's driver was completely inaccessible, so I was unable to install it, and back then I didn't have anyone sighted to help me - so no matter what OCR program you're using, without a driver it's not going to work. So this time I would like to check that the driver is accessible first and foremost.

On 5/21/2020 9:21 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 10:59 AM, Gene wrote:
It used to be that at least some scanners came with accessible OCR programs.  I don't know enough about this to generalize, but it is my impression that not as many do now.
Gene, since you asked for comment, this is precisely the opposite of my experience, still ongoing.  I don't know of a single home or office grade flatbed scanner or multi-function that doesn't include OCR as part of its "scan to PDF" function.  They've all been doing this for years now.

I have a personal preference for Canon multi-function machines, which definitely include OCR functionality, but mostly because they still sell a number of models with separate ink tanks, which are less expensive in the long run, and infinitely less expensive if you buy automatic reset chip (ARC) tanks that you can refill.

A dear friend of mine who's my mother's age, and has been totally blind since birth, has been using a now-out-of-production Canon multi-function that I recommended to her for somewhere around 5 years or so now.  She does have scanning software other than that which comes with the multi-function, though, and I'm not sure which software she's using with it.

I have to admit that I am at least a bit confused by the original question, as I have not directly interfaced with a scanner driver, whether with a sighted or blind client, in years.  The application software that comes with or that you can use with the device is the user interface.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019