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Re: Ghost Windows When Copying and Pasting or cutting and pasting in Windows Explorer In Windows 10

Gene
 

I don't know how much time would be involved fixing it.  I would think there are far more serious behaviors, I don't know if they are bugs, caused by how this or that program may interact with NVDA.  For example, run Virtual Recorder Portable as modified by the late Carlos.  I suspect th4e unmodified program would do the same thing, but I know this one does.  I'll supply a download link if people want to test this.  When you run the program, every item in the dialog, which is the main interface, is read and you can't stop it.  if you leave the program and return to the window, every item is read again.  then, you can finally tab from item to item and hear them read as you land on them.  But it still doesn't work properly.  Let's say you tab three times quickly.  Each item will be read.  Speech isn't stopped.  its like a repetition of the first behavior but this time, limited to the items you tab through. 
 
I see this behavior in other places as well.  It may not be very common but I suspect it is common enough that since I've raised it, others will give examples. 
 
My question is, how much work would be involved in fixing the fantom window behavior and would that detract in any meaningful way from development or fixing more serious bugs or behaviors?
 
I'm not sure the sighted people don't have bugs standard is valid.  For one thing, Windows isn't designed to be used by screen-readers and it is a complex environment.  Many programs are complex environments and there is constant pressure to alter NVDA as Windows and programs change.  Getting rid of very small odd bugs like this may not be a good or remotely important activity.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Felix G.
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Ghost Windows When Copying and Pasting or cutting and pasting in Windows Explorer In Windows 10

Hi Ron,
if you type those lines exactly as shown, chances of destroying
anything are minimal. In case you do somehow screw up in Python
Console, usually you can remedy the situation by simply restarting
NVDA. As a general rule, however, you had better know what you're
doing when you work in Python Console as you're manipulating NVDA at
its deepest levels.
I agree that it's a minor distraction. What I don't agree with in
principle, however, is that as screen reader users we should just
accept anomalies. Sighted users, for the most part, wouldn't. Software
is never perfect, and only a fool could believe it can ever be
bug-free, but still bugs are to be fixed before they become permanent
fixtures to be accepted as part of the lay of the land. This one is
definitely on the verge as far as I'm concerned.
Best,
Felix

Am So., 24. Mai 2020 um 16:17 Uhr schrieb Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...>:
>
> Hi Felix,
>
> Thanks for confirming this issue. It's not the greatest distraction in
> the world, but it's been around for so long that I was wondering if
> everyone just got used to it or if it was just an issue of something I
> was doing.
> As far as the python import issue, that sounds like something you could
> really screw up if you weren't careful. I am not a programmer and I am
> wondering if I tried something like this I could destroy something.
>
>
>
>
> On 5/24/2020 6:42 AM, Felix G. wrote:
> > Hi!
> > That's exactly what it is. NVDA's focus tracking is slightly broken,
> > as I reported in 2018:
> > https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8389
> > The window is not actually still there, it's just that the active
> > window switches, and NVDA expects information about this new context
> > to be available within 500 ms which, on busy or slow machines, is not
> > always possible.
> > To investigate whether this bug is actually responsible, execute the
> > following statements in the Python console:
> > import watchdog
> > watchdog.MIN_CORE_ALIVE_TIMEOUT = watchdog.NORMAL_CORE_ALIVE_TIMEOUT
> > Then try the copy or move operation again and see if the ghost has
> > been exorcised.
> > Best,
> > Felix
> >
> > Am So., 24. Mai 2020 um 10:18 Uhr schrieb Rob Hudson
> > <rob_hudson3182@...>:
> >> I've noticed this ghost window also. I just hit tab and it usually goes away. It's usually a focus problem with the screen reader. Another time I've noticed ghost windows is if you are in the settings app invoked with win+i. If you exit it, sometimes, by invoking the say title, you hear something like, ShellExperieNceHost.
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...>
> >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> >> Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 03:18:00 -0400
> >> Subject: Re: [nvda] Ghost Windows When Copying and Pasting or cutting and pasting in Windows Explorer In Windows 10
> >>
> >>> Hi Luke,
> >>>
> >>> I know the window is still there because as every experienced user of
> >>> any screen reader, if you press a keystroke or as in this case, if you
> >>> check to see if the file has appeared in the new location and if all you
> >>> hear when you press an up/down arrow key is 'blank,' then you press the
> >>> keystroke insert (NVDA) + T.    That's when I get the feedback such as
> >>> '87%' or 94%' or 100%'.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 5/23/2020 10:07 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
> >>>> On Sat, 23 May 2020, Ron Canazzi wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> 5. No longer how long I wait, the ghost window stays there until I
> >>>>> alt + tab away from the ghost window and then back. The window is
> >>>>> then gone until the next time I copy or cut a file.
> >>>> And, right there in step 5, would have been the perfect time to
> >>>> actually answer my question. Which was, again:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> How exactly do you know the window is still there?
> >>>> I can put that another way. What screen reader commands do you use
> >>>> that tell you the window is still there? What have you tried?
> >>>>
> >>>> Luke
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> --
> >>> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
> >>> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
> >>> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> --
> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>
>
>
>
Re: Ghost Windows When Copying and Pasting or cutting and pasting in Windows Explorer In Windows 10

Felix G.
 

Hi Ron,
if you type those lines exactly as shown, chances of destroying
anything are minimal. In case you do somehow screw up in Python
Console, usually you can remedy the situation by simply restarting
NVDA. As a general rule, however, you had better know what you're
doing when you work in Python Console as you're manipulating NVDA at
its deepest levels.
I agree that it's a minor distraction. What I don't agree with in
principle, however, is that as screen reader users we should just
accept anomalies. Sighted users, for the most part, wouldn't. Software
is never perfect, and only a fool could believe it can ever be
bug-free, but still bugs are to be fixed before they become permanent
fixtures to be accepted as part of the lay of the land. This one is
definitely on the verge as far as I'm concerned.
Best,
Felix

Am So., 24. Mai 2020 um 16:17 Uhr schrieb Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>:


Hi Felix,

Thanks for confirming this issue. It's not the greatest distraction in
the world, but it's been around for so long that I was wondering if
everyone just got used to it or if it was just an issue of something I
was doing.
As far as the python import issue, that sounds like something you could
really screw up if you weren't careful. I am not a programmer and I am
wondering if I tried something like this I could destroy something.




On 5/24/2020 6:42 AM, Felix G. wrote:
Hi!
That's exactly what it is. NVDA's focus tracking is slightly broken,
as I reported in 2018:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8389
The window is not actually still there, it's just that the active
window switches, and NVDA expects information about this new context
to be available within 500 ms which, on busy or slow machines, is not
always possible.
To investigate whether this bug is actually responsible, execute the
following statements in the Python console:
import watchdog
watchdog.MIN_CORE_ALIVE_TIMEOUT = watchdog.NORMAL_CORE_ALIVE_TIMEOUT
Then try the copy or move operation again and see if the ghost has
been exorcised.
Best,
Felix

Am So., 24. Mai 2020 um 10:18 Uhr schrieb Rob Hudson
<rob_hudson3182@opopanax.net>:
I've noticed this ghost window also. I just hit tab and it usually goes away. It's usually a focus problem with the screen reader. Another time I've noticed ghost windows is if you are in the settings app invoked with win+i. If you exit it, sometimes, by invoking the say title, you hear something like, ShellExperieNceHost.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 03:18:00 -0400
Subject: Re: [nvda] Ghost Windows When Copying and Pasting or cutting and pasting in Windows Explorer In Windows 10

Hi Luke,

I know the window is still there because as every experienced user of
any screen reader, if you press a keystroke or as in this case, if you
check to see if the file has appeared in the new location and if all you
hear when you press an up/down arrow key is 'blank,' then you press the
keystroke insert (NVDA) + T. That's when I get the feedback such as
'87%' or 94%' or 100%'.


On 5/23/2020 10:07 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
On Sat, 23 May 2020, Ron Canazzi wrote:

5. No longer how long I wait, the ghost window stays there until I
alt + tab away from the ghost window and then back. The window is
then gone until the next time I copy or cut a file.
And, right there in step 5, would have been the perfect time to
actually answer my question. Which was, again:

How exactly do you know the window is still there?
I can put that another way. What screen reader commands do you use
that tell you the window is still there? What have you tried?

Luke


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"




--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
Re: Ghost Windows When Copying and Pasting or cutting and pasting in Windows Explorer In Windows 10

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Felix,

Thanks for confirming this issue. It's not the greatest distraction in the world, but it's been around for so long that I was wondering if everyone just got used to it or if it was just an issue of something I was doing.
As far as the python import issue, that sounds like something you could really screw up if you weren't careful. I am not a programmer and I am wondering if I tried something like this I could destroy something.

On 5/24/2020 6:42 AM, Felix G. wrote:
Hi!
That's exactly what it is. NVDA's focus tracking is slightly broken,
as I reported in 2018:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8389
The window is not actually still there, it's just that the active
window switches, and NVDA expects information about this new context
to be available within 500 ms which, on busy or slow machines, is not
always possible.
To investigate whether this bug is actually responsible, execute the
following statements in the Python console:
import watchdog
watchdog.MIN_CORE_ALIVE_TIMEOUT = watchdog.NORMAL_CORE_ALIVE_TIMEOUT
Then try the copy or move operation again and see if the ghost has
been exorcised.
Best,
Felix

Am So., 24. Mai 2020 um 10:18 Uhr schrieb Rob Hudson
<rob_hudson3182@opopanax.net>:
I've noticed this ghost window also. I just hit tab and it usually goes away. It's usually a focus problem with the screen reader. Another time I've noticed ghost windows is if you are in the settings app invoked with win+i. If you exit it, sometimes, by invoking the say title, you hear something like, ShellExperieNceHost.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 03:18:00 -0400
Subject: Re: [nvda] Ghost Windows When Copying and Pasting or cutting and pasting in Windows Explorer In Windows 10

Hi Luke,

I know the window is still there because as every experienced user of
any screen reader, if you press a keystroke or as in this case, if you
check to see if the file has appeared in the new location and if all you
hear when you press an up/down arrow key is 'blank,' then you press the
keystroke insert (NVDA) + T. That's when I get the feedback such as
'87%' or 94%' or 100%'.


On 5/23/2020 10:07 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
On Sat, 23 May 2020, Ron Canazzi wrote:

5. No longer how long I wait, the ghost window stays there until I
alt + tab away from the ghost window and then back. The window is
then gone until the next time I copy or cut a file.
And, right there in step 5, would have been the perfect time to
actually answer my question. Which was, again:

How exactly do you know the window is still there?
I can put that another way. What screen reader commands do you use
that tell you the window is still there? What have you tried?

Luke


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"




--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
Re: Ghost Windows When Copying and Pasting or cutting and pasting in Windows Explorer In Windows 10

Gene
 

People who are receiving training should, perhaps be told that such things can occur and not to worry about them.  I know of one case where someone saw the information after removing a device and was worried that there was a problem that needed correcting.  He spent time trying to correct it which caused needless frustration and wasted time.
 
Screen-readers, functioning in the complex environments in which they do are going to do anomalous things now and then.  For some reason, NVDA says s p when Firefox is opening. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Felix G.
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Ghost Windows When Copying and Pasting or cutting and pasting in Windows Explorer In Windows 10

Hi!
I would be pragmatic about it. If it is visually gone then announcing
it is, by definition, incorrect screen reader behavior regardless of
conditions. Invisible windows are not a valid metaphor in the sighted
user's world model, so why should we bother?
Best,
Felix

Am So., 24. Mai 2020 um 13:28 Uhr schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>:
>
> Its an interesting question as to just what is there.  At times, something is there but I don't think it is a window.  When I use Safely Remove Hardware, after I get the message that its safe to remove whatever the device is, if I don't move, I can read the title bar and see information about that function.  This is in Windows 7 with NVDA.  I haven't tested other combinations of screen-readers and later Windows versions.
>
> Sometimes, I close something, I don't recall what, and the title bar indicates something is there but moving away causes me not to be able to move back to it.  It might be technically interesting to know what is going on but it doesn't appear to be anything incorrect, rather some sort of anamaly or artifact that may occur when combining screen-readers with Windows under certain conditions.
>
> Gene.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron Canazzi
> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 2:18 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Ghost Windows When Copying and Pasting or cutting and pasting in Windows Explorer In Windows 10
>
> Hi Luke,
>
> I know the window is still there because as every experienced user of
> any screen reader, if you press a keystroke or as in this case, if you
> check to see if the file has appeared in the new location and if all you
> hear when you press an up/down arrow key is 'blank,' then you press the
> keystroke insert (NVDA) + T.    That's when I get the feedback such as
> '87%' or 94%' or 100%'.
>
>
> On 5/23/2020 10:07 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
> > On Sat, 23 May 2020, Ron Canazzi wrote:
> >
> >> 5. No longer how long I wait, the ghost window stays there until I
> >> alt + tab away from the ghost window and then back. The window is
> >> then gone until the next time I copy or cut a file.
> >
> > And, right there in step 5, would have been the perfect time to
> > actually answer my question. Which was, again:
> >
> >>> How exactly do you know the window is still there?
> >
> > I can put that another way. What screen reader commands do you use
> > that tell you the window is still there? What have you tried?
> >
> > Luke
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>
>
>
>


Re: Ghost Windows When Copying and Pasting or cutting and pasting in Windows Explorer In Windows 10

Felix G.
 

Hi!
I would be pragmatic about it. If it is visually gone then announcing
it is, by definition, incorrect screen reader behavior regardless of
conditions. Invisible windows are not a valid metaphor in the sighted
user's world model, so why should we bother?
Best,
Felix

Am So., 24. Mai 2020 um 13:28 Uhr schrieb Gene <gsasner@gmail.com>:


Its an interesting question as to just what is there. At times, something is there but I don't think it is a window. When I use Safely Remove Hardware, after I get the message that its safe to remove whatever the device is, if I don't move, I can read the title bar and see information about that function. This is in Windows 7 with NVDA. I haven't tested other combinations of screen-readers and later Windows versions.

Sometimes, I close something, I don't recall what, and the title bar indicates something is there but moving away causes me not to be able to move back to it. It might be technically interesting to know what is going on but it doesn't appear to be anything incorrect, rather some sort of anamaly or artifact that may occur when combining screen-readers with Windows under certain conditions.

Gene.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 2:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Ghost Windows When Copying and Pasting or cutting and pasting in Windows Explorer In Windows 10

Hi Luke,

I know the window is still there because as every experienced user of
any screen reader, if you press a keystroke or as in this case, if you
check to see if the file has appeared in the new location and if all you
hear when you press an up/down arrow key is 'blank,' then you press the
keystroke insert (NVDA) + T. That's when I get the feedback such as
'87%' or 94%' or 100%'.


On 5/23/2020 10:07 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
On Sat, 23 May 2020, Ron Canazzi wrote:

5. No longer how long I wait, the ghost window stays there until I
alt + tab away from the ghost window and then back. The window is
then gone until the next time I copy or cut a file.
And, right there in step 5, would have been the perfect time to
actually answer my question. Which was, again:

How exactly do you know the window is still there?
I can put that another way. What screen reader commands do you use
that tell you the window is still there? What have you tried?

Luke


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
Re: Ghost Windows When Copying and Pasting or cutting and pasting in Windows Explorer In Windows 10

Gene
 

Its an interesting question as to just what is there.  At times, something is there but I don't think it is a window.  When I use Safely Remove Hardware, after I get the message that its safe to remove whatever the device is, if I don't move, I can read the title bar and see information about that function.  This is in Windows 7 with NVDA.  I haven't tested other combinations of screen-readers and later Windows versions.
 
Sometimes, I close something, I don't recall what, and the title bar indicates something is there but moving away causes me not to be able to move back to it.  It might be technically interesting to know what is going on but it doesn't appear to be anything incorrect, rather some sort of anamaly or artifact that may occur when combining screen-readers with Windows under certain conditions.
 
Gene.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 2:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Ghost Windows When Copying and Pasting or cutting and pasting in Windows Explorer In Windows 10

Hi Luke,

I know the window is still there because as every experienced user of
any screen reader, if you press a keystroke or as in this case, if you
check to see if the file has appeared in the new location and if all you
hear when you press an up/down arrow key is 'blank,' then you press the
keystroke insert (NVDA) + T.    That's when I get the feedback such as
'87%' or 94%' or 100%'.


On 5/23/2020 10:07 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
> On Sat, 23 May 2020, Ron Canazzi wrote:
>
>> 5. No longer how long I wait, the ghost window stays there until I
>> alt + tab away from the ghost window and then back. The window is
>> then gone until the next time I copy or cut a file.
>
> And, right there in step 5, would have been the perfect time to
> actually answer my question. Which was, again:
>
>>> How exactly do you know the window is still there?
>
> I can put that another way. What screen reader commands do you use
> that tell you the window is still there? What have you tried?
>
> Luke
>
>
>

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
Re: is there Netflix app on pc?

Angelo Sonnesso
 

There is a Chrome browser extension.

 

73 N2DYN Angelo

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 10:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is there netflix app on pc?

 

Hi

 

Not sure about the app version but the website part works well with NVDA. A while ago I did a tutorial on using nvda with it and turning on audio description as well and finding audio described content.

Gene nz

 

On 24/05/2020 6:36 am, Lino Morales wrote:

Howdy Darren yes there is. Its best to use with Narrator NVDA nor JAWS work well with Netflix. Its available in the Microsoft Store. Take care.

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

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From: Darren Harris via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 8:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] is there netflix app on pc?

 

Hi all,

 

Is there a Netflix app for windows and is it accessible?

 

Just interested to know.

 
Re: Can NVDA Access Font Attributes for Non Standard Web Page Links?

Gene
 

There is a setting in NVDA in the document formatting dialog that says Announce formatting changes after the cursor (can cause a lag.  If you turn that on, it may do what you want but it may be far too verbose, I don't know how many changes may occur on a typical web page as you move down it, but it may be cumbersome.  You may want to see what happens, however.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Kenny
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can NVDA Access Font Attributes for Non Standard Web Page Links?

Did try that NVDA shortcut key combination Gene. Will test some other
routines that may yield some sort of difference. Just figured since
there was a change in color some coding in the HTML would be visible in
helping NVDA speak it.


On 5/23/2020 11:30 AM, Gene wrote:
> Have you tried NVDA key f before and after activating the link or whatever the control is?  You may hear a different color, though I don't know if such changes are properly available when in browse mode.  You may want to compare before and after activation with browse mode on and off, switching settings before and after activation so you get responses in both settings for before and after.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Kenny
> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 8:45 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Can NVDA Access Font Attributes for Non Standard Web Page Links?
>
>
> This problem has been bugging me for a while, so I've decided to ask
> much smarter people here on the list about it.
>
>
> Decided to tinker with my old TP-Link Archer C3150 router for I'm
> looking to replace my current Verizon Quantum Gateway Router.
>
>
> In the Archer C3150 admin area the various settings are toggled on/off
> by clicking what seems to be a non standard HTML link. Not sure if it is
> created with Java Script or DHTML. The problem is that I have no verbal
> confirmation from NVDA if the font has changed color, face type or anything.
>
>
> Got visual assistance and I'm told the link turns "Green" when toggled
> on, and "Red" when toggled off.
>
>
> Is there any add-on or NVDA keyboard shortcut available that would allow
> me to access all font attributes of a letter the mouse pointer or
> Browser cursor is focused on?
>
>
> The background/foreground color, type, size etc? There has too be a way
> for me to get some sort of feedback on these links from NVDA.
>
>
> Having the "Clickable" option under Document Formatting in NVDA
> preferences enabled is very helpful. If I didn't have that turned on, I
> wouldn't even know the text associated with some of these options is a
> link at all.
>
>
> I also encountered similar situations in the Tidal, Spotify and MyMedia
> (Alexa skill) apps. Specifically when accessing the settings page for
> modifying important options.
>
>
> Any recommendations on what I can do when trying to navigate pages
> containing these new fangled visually esthetic links?
>
>
> I'm using NVDA 2020.1 by the way under Windows 10 2004.
>
>
> -Kenny
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Accessible software to backup files

blago blago
 

Caution! Backup your data before using my manual!

Hi! I am using ln.exe. It work much faster and backups don't take so much space on disk then if you just copy and paste folder . You can read about this program here https://schinagl.priv.at/nt/ln/ln.html
but it is hard to read. Download program at http://www.schinagl.priv.at/nt/ln/ln.zip

Unpack ln.zip to C:\Program Files\ln.
Move file C:\Program Files\ln\bat\DeLoreanCopy.bat to folder C:\Program Files\ln.
Open folder C:\Program Files\ln
Create file backup.bat here. Open it with notepad. Write to it next two lines:
set PATH=%PATH%;C:\Program Files\
DeLoreanCopy.bat D:\health E:\backup_folder

Now every time when you run backup.bat it will copy D:\health to E:\backup_folder
Off course you should change folder names to yours. This folder names only for example.

When you run backup.bat it will open command line window. When this window dissapear the backup is done.

You can make shorcut of backup.bat to desktop.
Re: Ghost Windows When Copying and Pasting or cutting and pasting in Windows Explorer In Windows 10

Felix G.
 

Hi!
That's exactly what it is. NVDA's focus tracking is slightly broken,
as I reported in 2018:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8389
The window is not actually still there, it's just that the active
window switches, and NVDA expects information about this new context
to be available within 500 ms which, on busy or slow machines, is not
always possible.
To investigate whether this bug is actually responsible, execute the
following statements in the Python console:
import watchdog
watchdog.MIN_CORE_ALIVE_TIMEOUT = watchdog.NORMAL_CORE_ALIVE_TIMEOUT
Then try the copy or move operation again and see if the ghost has
been exorcised.
Best,
Felix

Am So., 24. Mai 2020 um 10:18 Uhr schrieb Rob Hudson
<rob_hudson3182@opopanax.net>:


I've noticed this ghost window also. I just hit tab and it usually goes away. It's usually a focus problem with the screen reader. Another time I've noticed ghost windows is if you are in the settings app invoked with win+i. If you exit it, sometimes, by invoking the say title, you hear something like, ShellExperieNceHost.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 03:18:00 -0400
Subject: Re: [nvda] Ghost Windows When Copying and Pasting or cutting and pasting in Windows Explorer In Windows 10

Hi Luke,

I know the window is still there because as every experienced user of
any screen reader, if you press a keystroke or as in this case, if you
check to see if the file has appeared in the new location and if all you
hear when you press an up/down arrow key is 'blank,' then you press the
keystroke insert (NVDA) + T. That's when I get the feedback such as
'87%' or 94%' or 100%'.


On 5/23/2020 10:07 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
On Sat, 23 May 2020, Ron Canazzi wrote:

5. No longer how long I wait, the ghost window stays there until I
alt + tab away from the ghost window and then back. The window is
then gone until the next time I copy or cut a file.
And, right there in step 5, would have been the perfect time to
actually answer my question. Which was, again:

How exactly do you know the window is still there?
I can put that another way. What screen reader commands do you use
that tell you the window is still there? What have you tried?

Luke


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Re: Ghost Windows When Copying and Pasting or cutting and pasting in Windows Explorer In Windows 10

Rob Hudson
 

I've noticed this ghost window also. I just hit tab and it usually goes away. It's usually a focus problem with the screen reader. Another time I've noticed ghost windows is if you are in the settings app invoked with win+i. If you exit it, sometimes, by invoking the say title, you hear something like, ShellExperieNceHost.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 03:18:00 -0400
Subject: Re: [nvda] Ghost Windows When Copying and Pasting or cutting and pasting in Windows Explorer In Windows 10

Hi Luke,

I know the window is still there because as every experienced user of
any screen reader, if you press a keystroke or as in this case, if you
check to see if the file has appeared in the new location and if all you
hear when you press an up/down arrow key is 'blank,' then you press the
keystroke insert (NVDA) + T. That's when I get the feedback such as
'87%' or 94%' or 100%'.


On 5/23/2020 10:07 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
On Sat, 23 May 2020, Ron Canazzi wrote:

5. No longer how long I wait, the ghost window stays there until I
alt + tab away from the ghost window and then back. The window is
then gone until the next time I copy or cut a file.
And, right there in step 5, would have been the perfect time to
actually answer my question. Which was, again:

How exactly do you know the window is still there?
I can put that another way. What screen reader commands do you use
that tell you the window is still there? What have you tried?

Luke


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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
Re: Ghost Windows When Copying and Pasting or cutting and pasting in Windows Explorer In Windows 10

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Luke,

I know the window is still there because as every experienced user of any screen reader, if you press a keystroke or as in this case, if you check to see if the file has appeared in the new location and if all you hear when you press an up/down arrow key is 'blank,' then you press the keystroke insert (NVDA) + T.    That's when I get the feedback such as '87%' or 94%' or 100%'.

On 5/23/2020 10:07 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
On Sat, 23 May 2020, Ron Canazzi wrote:

5. No longer how long I wait, the ghost window stays there until I alt + tab away from the ghost window and then back. The window is then gone until the next time I copy or cut a file.
And, right there in step 5, would have been the perfect time to actually answer my question. Which was, again:

How exactly do you know the window is still there?
I can put that another way. What screen reader commands do you use that tell you the window is still there? What have you tried?

Luke

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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
Re: How to Fix Sluggish Responsiveness When Arrowing Through a Word Document

Jackie
 

Hey David, I don't know if Office 365 has it, but under options, I
think under view tab, there's an option that refers to live preview.
Disabling it really speeds up Word.

Have a great holiday weekend.

On 5/23/20, Luke Davis <luke@newanswertech.com> wrote:
Sorry if you answered this earlier in the thread David, but what are the
specs
on that machine? Memory and CPU (speed and cores)?

Luke




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Re: is there Netflix app on pc?

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


Not sure about the app version but the website part works well with NVDA. A while ago I did a tutorial on using nvda with it and turning on audio description as well and finding audio described content.

Gene nz


On 24/05/2020 6:36 am, Lino Morales wrote:

Howdy Darren yes there is. Its best to use with Narrator NVDA nor JAWS work well with Netflix. Its available in the Microsoft Store. Take care.

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

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From: Darren Harris via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 8:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] is there netflix app on pc?

 

Hi all,

 

Is there a Netflix app for windows and is it accessible?

 

Just interested to know.

 
Re: How to Fix Sluggish Responsiveness When Arrowing Through a Word Document

Luke Davis
 

Sorry if you answered this earlier in the thread David, but what are the specs on that machine? Memory and CPU (speed and cores)?

Luke
Re: can't seem to navigate through lists

Luke Davis
 

L gets you to a list. You shouldn't press L once you're already in the list; that will jump you to the next list.

‫בתאריך יום ו׳, 22 במאי 2020 ב-14:55 מאת ‪Darren Harris via groups.io‬‏ <‪darren_g_harris=btinternet.com@groups.io‬‏>:‬
For some reason I can’t seem to navigate through lists. I go to a list on a web page, hit l, then I try navigating it with the up and down
cursers but I can’t.
Re: Ghost Windows When Copying and Pasting or cutting and pasting in Windows Explorer In Windows 10

Luke Davis
 

On Sat, 23 May 2020, Ron Canazzi wrote:

5. No longer how long I wait, the ghost window stays there until I alt + tab away from the ghost window and then back. The window is then gone until the next time I copy or cut a file.
And, right there in step 5, would have been the perfect time to actually answer my question. Which was, again:

How exactly do you know the window is still there?
I can put that another way. What screen reader commands do you use that tell you the window is still there? What have you tried?

Luke
Re: Can NVDA Access Font Attributes for Non Standard Web Page Links?

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

Did try that NVDA shortcut key combination Gene. Will test some other routines that may yield some sort of difference. Just figured since there was a change in color some coding in the HTML would be visible in helping NVDA speak it.

On 5/23/2020 11:30 AM, Gene wrote:
Have you tried NVDA key f before and after activating the link or whatever the control is? You may hear a different color, though I don't know if such changes are properly available when in browse mode. You may want to compare before and after activation with browse mode on and off, switching settings before and after activation so you get responses in both settings for before and after.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Kenny
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 8:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Can NVDA Access Font Attributes for Non Standard Web Page Links?


This problem has been bugging me for a while, so I've decided to ask
much smarter people here on the list about it.


Decided to tinker with my old TP-Link Archer C3150 router for I'm
looking to replace my current Verizon Quantum Gateway Router.


In the Archer C3150 admin area the various settings are toggled on/off
by clicking what seems to be a non standard HTML link. Not sure if it is
created with Java Script or DHTML. The problem is that I have no verbal
confirmation from NVDA if the font has changed color, face type or anything.


Got visual assistance and I'm told the link turns "Green" when toggled
on, and "Red" when toggled off.


Is there any add-on or NVDA keyboard shortcut available that would allow
me to access all font attributes of a letter the mouse pointer or
Browser cursor is focused on?


The background/foreground color, type, size etc? There has too be a way
for me to get some sort of feedback on these links from NVDA.


Having the "Clickable" option under Document Formatting in NVDA
preferences enabled is very helpful. If I didn't have that turned on, I
wouldn't even know the text associated with some of these options is a
link at all.


I also encountered similar situations in the Tidal, Spotify and MyMedia
(Alexa skill) apps. Specifically when accessing the settings page for
modifying important options.


Any recommendations on what I can do when trying to navigate pages
containing these new fangled visually esthetic links?


I'm using NVDA 2020.1 by the way under Windows 10 2004.


-Kenny
Re: the twitter website when using NVDA

Jimmy Vonderlinden
 

awesome, didn't know I could do that. I'll try that for now. Thanks for the help
Have a wonderful weekend
Re: the twitter website when using NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

For now can't you type your text in jarte, then just paste it in? I've taken to doing that for most websites etc that I deal with.

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On 23 May 2020, at 14:30, Jimmy Vonderlinden via groups.io wrote:

hey guys
Whenever I use the twitter website, a strange thing happens, especially when replying to a tweet. Whatever I type into the reply field there is a slight delay before  it shows up. I don't have this problem when composing. I am running the latest build of win 10 and chrome
Any thoughts or ideas why this is happening or how to solv it would be greatly appreciated
Thanks guys

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