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Question about NVDA reading documents or pages containing text in multiple languages
Laurie Mehta
Hello,
I have stumbled upon a strange thing and hope someone has some helpful advice for this problem. When I receive a document that is 99% in English with a small portion in another language NVDA reads that entire document (Word or pdf) as if it is entirely in that other language (not English.) What I mean is that NVDA is pronouncing the words as if in that other language and even going over a word character by character, NVDA spells in that other language's alphabet. This has happened before and for short documents copying into notepad yields an entirely readable text. A notepad file is less practical for a long document, though, and I think that NVDA ought to be able to read a document in a language even if it has a line or two in a second language. For example, I recently downloaded a document that is in English with only a line or so in Italian from a Vatican website. Saved in either Word or as pdf, the whole document reads as if NVDA is trying to read it in Italian-- even using the Italian alphabet when I move character by character. If I copy and paste the document into notepad, it reads in English with no problem. I think that I must have some setting set in NVDA which is causing this issue but I don't know where to look for setting things right. It seems that NVDA is recognizing some trigger to adjust to a particular language for reading, but I don't know how or where to find that trigger to possibly remove it. Obviously I could just make a very long txt file for the document to read it, but if I can retain the headings and other formatting of the almost 200 page original I would prefer that. Do any of you have some helpful advice for this issue? Thanks! Laurie M.
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Re: New with NVDA need help
brice Mijares
NVDA key q.
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On 5/25/2020 2:58 PM, Mard, Elizabeth@DDS wrote:
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New with NVDA need help
Mard, Elizabeth@DDS
Hello,
I am in the process of creating accessible documents and was given the NVDA application to test document accessibility. I have been using it on my lap top at work with great success, but due to C-19 I am using it at home on my HP tablet and I cannot figure out how to get it to quit. The instructional guide book does not offer guidance regarding a tablet or at least I could not find it. Can anyone assist me with this?
Thank you,
Elizabeth Mård,
MS Department of Developmental Services Community Services Division Work Services Section 1600 9th Street, Room 340, MS 3-13
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Re: What do You prefer to write Docs, Presentations, or Spreadsheets with NVDA
Well there are ways to handle this where the forms are loaded and output as html, I have seen this and the server handles it itself but I have had the older system where the server loads a pdf form in a weird web program and yeah you can't make it do anything.
On 26/05/2020 8:25 am, Pauline Smith
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Everything you wrote in this message is so on point. The form that is on our state library's website that must be completed to receive library services is a pdf that you cannot be saved. I found that so frustrating when I had to fill out such applications for students. The only extra copies we could make was hard copy print ones.
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Re: What do You prefer to write Docs, Presentations, or Spreadsheets with NVDA
On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 04:26 PM, Pauline Smith wrote:
The only extra copies we could make was hard copy print ones.You can sometimes, and only sometimes, get around the "non-saveable fillable PDF" by doing a Save As after you've filled it out, or using the old print to a virtual PDF printer trick (e.g. PDFCreator or Microsoft print to PDF), to get that content saved in another file. Where there's a will, there's generally a tricky workaround. It is really insane to me, at this point in computing history, that those creating fillable forms, whether PDF or MS-Word, simply do not know how to create ones that are consistently accessible and where they can be saved after having been filled out! -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Tony's addons - updates
Tony Malykh
Hello NVDA community, I have implemented a lot of new features in my add-ons since my last announcement here more than a year ago, so I would like to share all these new features – hopefully you guys will find some of them useful. I present my new add-ons: Phonetic punctuation and Tony’s enhancements, as well as I added many new features to BrowserNav. In the end of this email I also mention my other add-ons, just in case someone hasn’t heard of them, they have only been updated with bugfixes. This is a pretty long email, so I structured it with headings. Please download latest versions of my add-ons directly from their respective github pages – the links are provided in this email. Phonetic punctuationThis add-on allows you to substitute punctuation marks, and any other part of speech configured by a regular expression with an auditory icon (custom sound). Most common use of phonetic punctuation would be for writing code, where it is essential to know all the punctuation marks, but other uses can include: replacing the word “blank” with a sound, replacing timestamps or other frequently repeated text with a sound, etc. Configuring phonetic punctuation requires knowledge of regular expressions. Thanks to Kara Goldfinch for contributing auditory icons for some punctuation marks! BrowserNavBrowserNav is a collection of improvements to user experience in browsers. I added quite a few new features to it since last release. Horizontal indentation using tonesYou can configure BrowserNav to express horizontal indentation of a currently focused element using tone – similar to a built in NVDA feature of reporting indentation with tones in text documents. This allows you to better understand the layout of the page. For example, it allows you to hear malformed HTML tables, that is when NVDA doesn’t see a table as a real table, yet the elements are still aligned in a tabular fashion on the screen. It also greatly simplifies browsing hierarchical trees of comments on websites such as reddit, facebook, hacker news – now the tone would indicate the level of the comment. Please note that there are also commands to find next/previous element with the same horizontal indentation, which you might find handy. Crackling for QuickNav commandsIn all my add-ons crackling is an indicator of how far we have just jumped in the document when some navigational keystroke is pressed. I implemented this feature for built-in NVDA QuickNav commands as well. Now when you press H for next heading, you can hear crackling, and judging by the length of such crackling you can quickly and intuitively figure out whether the next heading was close by or you just jumped over a lot of text. Browser marksThink of this feature as regular expression enabled bookmarks for browser. You can configure a single regular expression, that can be arbitrary largeand include all the potential bookmarks on all your webpages, and then you can quickly jump to next/previous browser mark using J or Shift+J commands in browse mode. For example, as a frequent Amazon shopper, I like to be able to quickly jump to things like “5 items in cart” and “your orders”. So I have configured my browser mark regular expression to be: (^\d+ items? in cart$|^Your orders$) Please note that the regular expression must match the whole paragraph exactly, hence be careful with ^ and $ regular expression qualifiers. Please also note that this regular expression will apply to all web pages and all browsers, so be as specific as possible. Accessibility for semi-accessible edit boxesMany web pages these days are using a fancy HTML text edit component called Monaco – it provides syntax highlighting for sighted people, but it has one major flaw: it is not accessible, that is the edit box appears empty. For example Jupyter and hacker rank use such a text editor among others. You can still retrieve the contents of the edit box by pressing Control+A Control+C and then pasting it to the editor of your choice. However, repeating this every time is tedious, therefore I automated this process. Now you can navigate to said edit box and simply press NVDA+e to view or edit it. Tony’s enhancementsThis is a hodgepodge of small improvements to various parts of NVDA, not logically connected in any way. All the options are disabled by default and need to be enabled manually in the preferences window. NVDA volumeAllows to adjust the volume of all the NVDA sounds, including beeps and speech. Automatic language switchingSome languages use non-Latin script, e.g. Russian, Arabic, Chinese, etc. There is no reason why NVDA wouldn’t be able to automatically switch synthesizer language between English and those foreign languages. Now I bring this feature to live. Automatically switching between two Latin-based languages is not supported at this time. Please note that your synthesizer must support all these languages for this feature to be effective. Enhanced table navigation commandsI added commands like Control+Alt+Home/End/PageUp/PageDown to jump to first or last row or column. I also added keystrokes to jump to 1..10th row or column, please check add-on documentation for these shortcuts. Enhanced move by word commandsMost text editors support Control+LeftArrow/RightArrow commands for word navigation. However the definition of the word changes from one program to another. This is especially true of modern web-based text editors, such as Monaco. NVDA should know the definition of word in given program in order to speak words correctly. If NVDA doesn't know the exact definition, then either words are going to be skipped, or pronounced multiple times. Moreover, some web-based text editors position the cursor in the end of the word, instead of the beginning, making editing much harder for visually impaired users. In order to combat this problem I have created enhanced word navigation commands, that take the word definition from Notepad++ and they do not rely on program's definition of words, but rather parse lines into words on NVDA's side. The Control+LeftArrow/RightArrow gesture is not even sent to the program, thus ensuring the consistency of the speech. This option overrides default Control+LeftArrow/RightArrow commands in NVDA. Real-time console outputIf you work with command line applications that print out a lot of logs, it might be not the best behavior for NVDA to read out all these logs line by line, since NVDA can be speaking much slower than those lines are being printed, thus NVDA might be speaking some lines that were printed a minute ago. I modified the way NVDA speaks command line output to be more realtime. The basic logic is like this: if a new line appears on the screen and NVDA is currently speaking something that was shown on the screen more than a second ago, then we interrupt current utterance and speak the most recent line. Speaking output this way better represents what’s going on in command line window in real time. There is also an option to beep on every update in command line. Dynamic keystrokesI call a keystroke dynamic if it changes the state of an application. Often times we’d want NVDA to speak the updated change automatically, but NVDA does nothing for keystrokes that it’s not aware of. An example of such a keystroke would be F2 in Notepad++ that jumps to the next bookmark – you would want NVDA to speak the current line automatically. Many other editors have such keystrokes as well. Now you can configure the list of keystrokes and NVDA will automatically speak current line after them. Please check github page for more information. Suppressing unwanted “unselected” messagesIf certain text is selected in a text editor, and in the next moment no longer selected, NVDA would say “unselected” and then the original text that was selected. In certain situations this is not a desirable behavior. For example if you have some text selected, and then you press Control+Home, to go to the very beginning of the document, NVDA would first speak the first line of the document, then “unselected”, then the original selection. I felt this was annoying, so I found a way to suppress this message, while still keeping the “unselected” message when you indeed unselect your selection by character, or word, etc Preventing double insert keystrokeIf you press insert key twice accidentally, it would trigger insert mode in your application. Since Insert is a special key in NVDA, this behavior cannot be disabled using input gestures dialog in NVDA, yet this was happening too often to me, so I wrote a function to disable double insert key backstroke. If you still would like to toggle insert mode, you can do so by pressing NVDA+F2, and then insert key. Insert mode detectorAs another layer of defense against accidental insert mode I implemented this feature. It monitors current line of text and looks at how it changes when you type alphanumeric keys. If it seems like characters are being overwritten, it will beep on every character. Similar to built-in caps lock on warning beep. Fixing a bug when focus gets stuck in the taskbar when pressing Windows+NumbersThere is a bug in Windows 10, and possibly in other versions. When switching between applications using Windows+number shortcut sometimes the focus gets stuck in the taskbar area instead of jumping to the window being switched to. So I implemented a workaround. The add-on detects this situation and plays a short low-pitch beep when this situation is detected, then the add-on fixes it automatically by bringing focus to the desired application. TextNavTextNav allows you to quickly find the beginning of article on a web page, and also skip over junk HTML elements, such as menus, images, ads, etc. SentenceNavAllows you to navigate text sentence-by-sentence or phrase-by-phrase, as opposed to by word, character or line. IndentNavThis add-on improves navigation around source code files for programming by allowing to find lines with the same/greater/smaller indentation level. But it also can be used for structured text files, where structure is expressed by the indentation level. Bluetooth AudioImproves sound quality for those who use NVDA with Bluetooth or other wireless audio devices by constantly playing silent sound. AudioChartAudioChart allows you to sonify time series in Microsoft Excel.
Thanks for reading this! Let me know what you think about these new features! --Tony
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Re: What do You prefer to write Docs, Presentations, or Spreadsheets with NVDA
Pauline Smith
Everything you wrote in this message is so on point. The form that
is on our state library's website that must be completed to receive
library services is a pdf that you cannot be saved. I found that so
frustrating when I had to fill out such applications for students.
The only extra copies we could make was hard copy print ones.
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Pauline
On 5/21/2020 3:48 PM, Brian Vogel
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On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 02:40 PM, Arlene wrote:
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Re: Grammarly and NVDA
Most recently discussed on May 12th, and many times before that:
https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/search?ev=false&q=Grammarly&ct=1 Searching the NVDA Group Archive -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Grammarly and NVDA
Cecelia Rodriguez <cessbraille@...>
Sent from my iPhone Is Grammarly accessible with NVDA?
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Re: A few questions
Quentin Christensen
How often do you change different settings though? If you change the speech rate in normal, yes, it will change it for the profile you setup for, say Word - but if you then change it in Word, it will stay at what you set, even if you go back to your normal profile and change the speech rate again. If you think it's really a problem, do create an issue for it: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/new/choose Kind regards Quentin.
On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 1:44 AM Akshaya Choudhary <acsociopath@...> wrote:
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Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/ User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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Re: speak upper case
Kerryn Gunness
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Re: Can NVDA Access Font Attributes for Non Standard Web Page Links?
Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
Never thought of using that option Gene. Thanks for alerting me to it. Going to try it out now.
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On 5/24/2020 7:13 AM, Gene wrote:
There is a setting in NVDA in the document formatting dialog that says Announce formatting changes after the cursor (can cause a lag. If you turn that on, it may do what you want but it may be far too verbose, I don't know how many changes may occur on a typical web page as you move down it, but it may be cumbersome. You may want to see what happens, however.
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Re: speak upper case
Nope. Just discussed 4 days ago, topic: Capital Letter Recognition
Searching the NVDA Group Archive --Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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speak upper case
Kerryn Gunness
guys
does NVDA have a feature where wen you are reading a document or text file, you will hear upper case letters mentioned if you land on a line which has upper case letters? so you dont have to read character by character
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Re: New SpeakOn MediaSuite NVDA add-on for version 2019.3.1 and later
hurrikennyandopo ...
Hi David
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The resources you gave for speak on as in the pod cast you done etc I have put into a page which comes off my website. the first part is for speech hub and the second is for speak on along with your podcasts on how to use it. I also mentioned with speech hub to install the add on and also with speak on to put it to sleep. Also to let people know the add ons have been updated to work with the latest version of NVDA. Not sure if the name of the page is right but can be changed but wanted it to say the name of the programs and the nvda add ons for nvda Speech hub yes works with nvda where speak on is self voicing. I wanted to try and tie the 3 in some how for the heading of the page. Hopefully also it will be easier for people to find your pod casts on how to use speak on it is a good l little program. Gene nz the link to the page it is off is called http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html The heading which goes to it's own page is called speech hub and speak on resources as you had for speak on but wanted to include both.
On 13/05/2020 12:38 am, David Griffith wrote:
Further to Isaac's message about the NVDA AddOn for Speak ON
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Re: Ghost Windows When Copying and Pasting or cutting and pasting in Windows Explorer In Windows 10
Yep, that's right. IN my case i hear "progress" then blank, and there is not a thing there. I have to in my case either alt tab away and back to, or or hit windows m or windows d, and then alt tab back to the explorer window. to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter Our discord is where you will know when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum] Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there. For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there. Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here
On 24 May 2020, at 0:18, Ron Canazzi wrote:
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Re: Ghost Windows When Copying and Pasting or cutting and pasting in Windows Explorer In Windows 10
On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 11:56 AM, Gene wrote:
I'm not sure the sighted people don't have bugs standard is valid.It's not, nor is it accurate. By definition one cannot have bugs with software one is not using, but everyone experiences bugs at one point or another. And as a former developer I can tell you that bug fixes get prioritized based on whether they're show-stoppers (first priority), major stumbling blocks (second priority), minor stumbling blocks (third priority), or trivial annoyances (whenever, if ever). There is a finite amount of time, money, and talent and that will be focused where it's considered by the software maker to be most needed. If I can work around something in seconds that won't stop me from reporting it as a bug, but what it will do is make me realize that the probability of said bug being fixed any time soon is very small indeed. All of the above leaves aside, for simplicity's sake, the fact that software often interacts with each other depending on exactly what's in use. Very often what appears to be the problem, and is actually where you as an end user are encountering the problem, is not the genesis of said problem. In the case of NVDA, it even gives you some mechanisms to figure this out to a certain degree yourself, like being able to start NVDA with all add-ons disabled. If things suddenly start behaving normally, it isn't NVDA itself that's causing the problem, but one of the add-ons you're using. Then, if you want to be thorough about chasing down which, you turn add-ons back on, but disable half of them. If the problem is still there, you know it's in that half, if not, it's one in the disabled half. You keep enabling/disabling by halves within the problem sphere until you find the culprit. Then you report the culprit and issue to its developer(s). -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Re: Ghost Windows When Copying and Pasting or cutting and pasting in Windows Explorer In Windows 10
Gene
I don't know how much time would be involved fixing
it. I would think there are far more serious behaviors, I don't know if
they are bugs, caused by how this or that program may interact with NVDA.
For example, run Virtual Recorder Portable as modified by the late Carlos.
I suspect th4e unmodified program would do the same thing, but I know this one
does. I'll supply a download link if people want to test this. When
you run the program, every item in the dialog, which is the main interface, is
read and you can't stop it. if you leave the program and return to the
window, every item is read again. then, you can finally tab from item to
item and hear them read as you land on them. But it still doesn't work
properly. Let's say you tab three times quickly. Each item will be
read. Speech isn't stopped. its like a repetition of the first
behavior but this time, limited to the items you tab through.
I see this behavior in other places as well.
It may not be very common but I suspect it is common enough that since I've
raised it, others will give examples.
My question is, how much work would be involved in
fixing the fantom window behavior and would that detract in any meaningful way
from development or fixing more serious bugs or behaviors?
I'm not sure the sighted people don't have bugs
standard is valid. For one thing, Windows isn't designed to be used by
screen-readers and it is a complex environment. Many programs are complex
environments and there is constant pressure to alter NVDA as Windows and
programs change. Getting rid of very small odd bugs like this may not be a
good or remotely important activity.
Gene
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From: Felix G.
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Ghost Windows When Copying and Pasting or
cutting and pasting in Windows Explorer In Windows 10 if you type those lines exactly as shown, chances of destroying anything are minimal. In case you do somehow screw up in Python Console, usually you can remedy the situation by simply restarting NVDA. As a general rule, however, you had better know what you're doing when you work in Python Console as you're manipulating NVDA at its deepest levels. I agree that it's a minor distraction. What I don't agree with in principle, however, is that as screen reader users we should just accept anomalies. Sighted users, for the most part, wouldn't. Software is never perfect, and only a fool could believe it can ever be bug-free, but still bugs are to be fixed before they become permanent fixtures to be accepted as part of the lay of the land. This one is definitely on the verge as far as I'm concerned. Best, Felix Am So., 24. Mai 2020 um 16:17 Uhr schrieb Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...>: > > Hi Felix, > > Thanks for confirming this issue. It's not the greatest distraction in > the world, but it's been around for so long that I was wondering if > everyone just got used to it or if it was just an issue of something I > was doing. > As far as the python import issue, that sounds like something you could > really screw up if you weren't careful. I am not a programmer and I am > wondering if I tried something like this I could destroy something. > > > > > On 5/24/2020 6:42 AM, Felix G. wrote: > > Hi! > > That's exactly what it is. NVDA's focus tracking is slightly broken, > > as I reported in 2018: > > https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8389 > > The window is not actually still there, it's just that the active > > window switches, and NVDA expects information about this new context > > to be available within 500 ms which, on busy or slow machines, is not > > always possible. > > To investigate whether this bug is actually responsible, execute the > > following statements in the Python console: > > import watchdog > > watchdog.MIN_CORE_ALIVE_TIMEOUT = watchdog.NORMAL_CORE_ALIVE_TIMEOUT > > Then try the copy or move operation again and see if the ghost has > > been exorcised. > > Best, > > Felix > > > > Am So., 24. Mai 2020 um 10:18 Uhr schrieb Rob Hudson > > <rob_hudson3182@...>: > >> I've noticed this ghost window also. I just hit tab and it usually goes away. It's usually a focus problem with the screen reader. Another time I've noticed ghost windows is if you are in the settings app invoked with win+i. If you exit it, sometimes, by invoking the say title, you hear something like, ShellExperieNceHost. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...> > >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > >> Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 03:18:00 -0400 > >> Subject: Re: [nvda] Ghost Windows When Copying and Pasting or cutting and pasting in Windows Explorer In Windows 10 > >> > >>> Hi Luke, > >>> > >>> I know the window is still there because as every experienced user of > >>> any screen reader, if you press a keystroke or as in this case, if you > >>> check to see if the file has appeared in the new location and if all you > >>> hear when you press an up/down arrow key is 'blank,' then you press the > >>> keystroke insert (NVDA) + T. That's when I get the feedback such as > >>> '87%' or 94%' or 100%'. > >>> > >>> > >>> On 5/23/2020 10:07 PM, Luke Davis wrote: > >>>> On Sat, 23 May 2020, Ron Canazzi wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> 5. No longer how long I wait, the ghost window stays there until I > >>>>> alt + tab away from the ghost window and then back. The window is > >>>>> then gone until the next time I copy or cut a file. > >>>> And, right there in step 5, would have been the perfect time to > >>>> actually answer my question. Which was, again: > >>>> > >>>>>> How exactly do you know the window is still there? > >>>> I can put that another way. What screen reader commands do you use > >>>> that tell you the window is still there? What have you tried? > >>>> > >>>> Luke > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> -- > >>> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. > >>> They ask: "How Happy are You?" > >>> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!" > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. > They ask: "How Happy are You?" > I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!" > > > >
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Re: Ghost Windows When Copying and Pasting or cutting and pasting in Windows Explorer In Windows 10
Felix G.
Hi Ron,
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if you type those lines exactly as shown, chances of destroying anything are minimal. In case you do somehow screw up in Python Console, usually you can remedy the situation by simply restarting NVDA. As a general rule, however, you had better know what you're doing when you work in Python Console as you're manipulating NVDA at its deepest levels. I agree that it's a minor distraction. What I don't agree with in principle, however, is that as screen reader users we should just accept anomalies. Sighted users, for the most part, wouldn't. Software is never perfect, and only a fool could believe it can ever be bug-free, but still bugs are to be fixed before they become permanent fixtures to be accepted as part of the lay of the land. This one is definitely on the verge as far as I'm concerned. Best, Felix Am So., 24. Mai 2020 um 16:17 Uhr schrieb Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>:
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Re: Ghost Windows When Copying and Pasting or cutting and pasting in Windows Explorer In Windows 10
Ron Canazzi
Hi Felix,
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Thanks for confirming this issue. It's not the greatest distraction in the world, but it's been around for so long that I was wondering if everyone just got used to it or if it was just an issue of something I was doing. As far as the python import issue, that sounds like something you could really screw up if you weren't careful. I am not a programmer and I am wondering if I tried something like this I could destroy something.
On 5/24/2020 6:42 AM, Felix G. wrote:
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They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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