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Re: trouble with clickable elements

Jonathan COHN
 

This web site must be violating Princible 1 of the WCAG.

A website must be perceivable.

The best solution for the web site developer would be to use standard input checkboxes and then you would be able to work them.

I highly doubt that they will do this, so the next best alternative is:

  1. Label the span or div hthat is representing the checkbox with two additional attributes role=”checkbox” and aria-checked=”true” / aria-checked=”false”.
  2. At this point you would at least be able to tell that there is a checkbox and what its state is. Now they probably need to do three things to ensure that it is operable:
    1. Ensure you can tab to the element: (tabindex=0)
    2. Make sure keyboard users can interact with the control by adding handlers for kepPress event.
    3. Make sure the click is being handled by a click or up event not a pointerDown event.

All of this assumes that the web developer is actually coding in HTML. If they are using a autogenerate a web site like WIX, Google, Facebook, wordpress then all of this should have been done by that vendor., and the best you can probably hope for is that next year the system will be made accessible.

 

Jonathan

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 3:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] trouble with clickable elements

External email alert: Be wary of links & attachments.

Hi all,

I'm hoping somebody can figure out why I can't get this competition entry page to work. I'll paste the link and then describe what is, and what isn't, happening:
https://www.bridportprize.org.uk/enter

There are quite a few clickable elements and the only way I seem to be able to activate them is with object navigation. I know it works with the category I want to enter (a poem) because it drops down a box that has the number 1 in it ... I only want to enter 1 poem so that is fine so far ...

Next on the page are 4 items that need to be clicked to confirm they are correct ... I’ve read the rules and agree to the terms and conditions of the competition, I’ve got the correct version of my entry, My name isn’t on the entry, and All my information is correct.

I have activated each of these with object navigation, the way that worked when I selected what category I wanted to enter, but nothing seems to happen with these four items.

I asked my mother and she says they appear as four boxes that need checking, so I looked to see if there were any physical checkboxes by using the x keyboard shortcut ... with no success. she tells me that when she checks each box then a new dropdown box opens where a file can be attached.

without being able to get that "dropdown box" to open, I'm unable to enter the competition. Obviously the description "dropdown box" is my mum's and, without being able to get anything to open, I've no idea what sort of control it is ... my instinct is that it'll be a button, but I know there are no buttons on the page to upload a file ... the categories respond to the b shortcut key for a button, as does the button to sign up to the mailing list, but those seem to be the only buttons. One thing I do hear with NVDA is that there is one more clicable element just after where it says "1 poetry entry total £10, but object navigation doesn't find that clicable element and hitting enter on it has no effect either.

I will contact the competition organisers if no resolution to this can be found, but I figured somebody here might know what is happening.

I'm using NVDA 2020.1 and have tried using Firefox (version 76.0.1 (64-bit)) and Google Chrome with the same results in each. Operating system is Windows 10 Version 1903 (OS Build 18362.836)

Thanks for any ideas :)

Giles


trouble with clickable elements

Giles Turnbull
 

Hi all,

I'm hoping somebody can figure out why I can't get this competition entry page to work. I'll paste the link and then describe what is, and what isn't, happening:
https://www.bridportprize.org.uk/enter

There are quite a few clickable elements and the only way I seem to be able to activate them is with object navigation. I know it works with the category I want to enter (a poem) because it drops down a box that has the number 1 in it ... I only want to enter 1 poem so that is fine so far ...

Next on the page are 4 items that need to be clicked to confirm they are correct ... I’ve read the rules and agree to the terms and conditions of the competition, I’ve got the correct version of my entry, My name isn’t on the entry, and All my information is correct.

I have activated each of these with object navigation, the way that worked when I selected what category I wanted to enter, but nothing seems to happen with these four items.

I asked my mother and she says they appear as four boxes that need checking, so I looked to see if there were any physical checkboxes by using the x keyboard shortcut ... with no success. she tells me that when she checks each box then a new dropdown box opens where a file can be attached.

without being able to get that "dropdown box" to open, I'm unable to enter the competition. Obviously the description "dropdown box" is my mum's and, without being able to get anything to open, I've no idea what sort of control it is ... my instinct is that it'll be a button, but I know there are no buttons on the page to upload a file ... the categories respond to the b shortcut key for a button, as does the button to sign up to the mailing list, but those seem to be the only buttons. One thing I do hear with NVDA is that there is one more clicable element just after where it says "1 poetry entry total £10, but object navigation doesn't find that clicable element and hitting enter on it has no effect either.

I will contact the competition organisers if no resolution to this can be found, but I figured somebody here might know what is happening.

I'm using NVDA 2020.1 and have tried using Firefox (version 76.0.1 (64-bit)) and Google Chrome with the same results in each. Operating system is Windows 10 Version 1903 (OS Build 18362.836)

Thanks for any ideas :)

Giles


Re: zoom not reading in edit areas

 

Send an email to their accessibility team at access@... or Open a support ticket here.


Re: How to Fix Sluggish Responsiveness When Arrowing Through a Word Document

Jackie
 

Jonathan, it affects arrowing performance because the document is
being changed in its entirety as you're trying to arrow around. It
doesn't help blind folks much & indeed serves to slow speech down.

Thanks for letting us know where it is, cuz I personally don't have Office 365.

On 5/26/20, Cohn, Jonathan <jcohn@air.org> wrote:
I reviewed this setting, which is in the general settings tab. Microsoft
help has this to say about it:
Enable Live Preview Select this option to preview the effects of formatting
changes in the document.

So, I am not sure why this would effect arrowing performance, but at least
you know how to get there. While I was in there I turned off the
mini-toolbar for selection, which I think is the annowing feature that asks
you if you want to keep styles when you paste.



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Re: How to Fix Sluggish Responsiveness When Arrowing Through a Word Document

Jonathan COHN
 

I reviewed this setting, which is in the general settings tab. Microsoft help has this to say about it:
Enable Live Preview    Select this option to preview the effects of formatting changes in the document.

So, I am not sure why this would effect arrowing performance, but at least you know how to get there. While I was in there I turned off the mini-toolbar for selection, which I think is the annowing feature that asks you if you want to keep styles when you paste.


zoom not reading in edit areas

 

Hi all.

This may well be a ticketed item, but I thought before I waste the devs time with this that I put it here.

A couple days ago I was involved in a zoom meating.

They heavily used the text boxes for q&a, the chat boxes, and the like.

Nvda would read letters as I typed them in but if I hit backspace it wouldn't read the letters I was deleting, I also couldn't read anything in any edit field though I could read all output data just fine just input form data in input boxes.

Its the only thing I couldn't do.

Shaun


Re: NVDA remote host

Richard Wells
 

I have installed the Windows NVDA Remote server and run all the necessary setup features from the folder using admin privileges, but I can't get any clients to connect to it on my network using either IP addresses or machine names. Could anyone provide guidance to me privately at richwels@... please?


On 5/26/2020 5:37 AM, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:

Hello, it is also available for Windows as a compiled package under:

https://github.com/jmdaweb/NVDARemoteServer

 

cheers,

  Ralf

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Socheat Muth
Sent: Dienstag, 26. Mai 2020 10:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA remote host

 

Hi

 

Yes, it is possible to host a NVDA remote server on your own, if you own a linux server. I've done it before, and it's quite interesting, but it also breaks the system at the same time if you don't know what you're doing.

 

On 5/26/2020 12:17 PM, bhanu computer wrote:

hey every one, as you all know in NVDA remote lots of people use host field we enter nvdaremote.com. but what is this for and can we host an nvda remote thing? if so, how.
please help me in this thing friends.


Re: Tony's addons - updates

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

I do realize that. Sometimes I receive emails in Thunderbird that NVDA sees nothing in the message body. Have to switch the message body view to text. Then NVDA is able to see the contents. Not sure why that is, but I do encounter that odd behavior every once in a while.


SlickDeal.com sometimes send out mailing summarizing the past few days deals. NVDA doesn't see anything in those messages for some weird reason when the  Thunderbird setting for view message body is Html.


On 5/26/2020 12:56 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 12:52 PM, Kenny wrote:
Brian, maybe you guys should make those links display at the bottom of the message, even when a subscriber has their mail client's message body view set to Text?
That's not under our control, and it's one of the reasons I beg people not to force convert messages to plain text.  In this day and age, virtually all e-mail comes out in HTML format, and you strip out massive amounts of content when you force plain text.  Given that every screen reader has no issue with dealing with HTML, whether in web pages or email messages, there is really no good reason for doing a force convert on all messages.  You can always force convert a problematic message if you receive one.
 
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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

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Re: Tony's addons - updates

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

Gene I had problem with a promotional email that was showing up as blank in Thunderbird. Had to switch view message body as text to review the content. Forgot to switch it back.


On 5/26/2020 1:39 PM, Gene wrote:
It is better to read mail as simple HTML.  You will see all HTML controls such as links and the message will be formatted as the sender desired.  You can use browse mode to search the message or any of the quick navigation keys can be used.  But no code can run that is in the HTML.  Formatting is the only thing permitted to be done.  You are thus safe from any possible malicious code and you can work with the message just as you would reading it as HTmL.
 
This is a Thunderbird feature. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kenny
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tony's addons - updates

LOL! Forgot I changed my Thunderbird settings for View/Message Body As... to "Plain Text" and those "Reply" links weren't being displayed. Once I changed the setting back to"Original Html" the links you mentioned re-appeared.


Brian, maybe you guys should make those links display at the bottom of the message, even when a subscriber has their mail client's message body view set to Text?


Just a suggestion.


Thanks for clearing things up. I'll contact Tony off-line.


On 5/26/2020 12:14 PM, Brian      wrote:
On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 11:14 AM, Kenny wrote:
Tony, how can I reach you off-list?
Unless you've changed something with Groups.io, at the end of each and every message is a link, Reply to Sender.  Activating it should open a message in your e-mail/webmail client already addressed to the sender of said message, with "Re:" plus the title of the topic pre-populated as the subject which you can, of course, change.

If you have any message that originated from Tony you can use it, via the Reply to Sender link, to reach him off-list.
 
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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Tony's addons - updates

Gene
 

It is better to read mail as simple HTML.  You will see all HTML controls such as links and the message will be formatted as the sender desired.  You can use browse mode to search the message or any of the quick navigation keys can be used.  But no code can run that is in the HTML.  Formatting is the only thing permitted to be done.  You are thus safe from any possible malicious code and you can work with the message just as you would reading it as HTmL.
 
This is a Thunderbird feature. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Kenny
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tony's addons - updates

LOL! Forgot I changed my Thunderbird settings for View/Message Body As... to "Plain Text" and those "Reply" links weren't being displayed. Once I changed the setting back to"Original Html" the links you mentioned re-appeared.


Brian, maybe you guys should make those links display at the bottom of the message, even when a subscriber has their mail client's message body view set to Text?


Just a suggestion.


Thanks for clearing things up. I'll contact Tony off-line.


On 5/26/2020 12:14 PM, Brian      wrote:
On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 11:14 AM, Kenny wrote:
Tony, how can I reach you off-list?
Unless you've changed something with Groups.io, at the end of each and every message is a link, Reply to Sender.  Activating it should open a message in your e-mail/webmail client already addressed to the sender of said message, with "Re:" plus the title of the topic pre-populated as the subject which you can, of course, change.

If you have any message that originated from Tony you can use it, via the Reply to Sender link, to reach him off-list.
 
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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Tony's addons - updates

 

On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 12:52 PM, Kenny wrote:
Brian, maybe you guys should make those links display at the bottom of the message, even when a subscriber has their mail client's message body view set to Text?
That's not under our control, and it's one of the reasons I beg people not to force convert messages to plain text.  In this day and age, virtually all e-mail comes out in HTML format, and you strip out massive amounts of content when you force plain text.  Given that every screen reader has no issue with dealing with HTML, whether in web pages or email messages, there is really no good reason for doing a force convert on all messages.  You can always force convert a problematic message if you receive one.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Tony's addons - updates

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

LOL! Forgot I changed my Thunderbird settings for View/Message Body As... to "Plain Text" and those "Reply" links weren't being displayed. Once I changed the setting back to"Original Html" the links you mentioned re-appeared.


Brian, maybe you guys should make those links display at the bottom of the message, even when a subscriber has their mail client's message body view set to Text?


Just a suggestion.


Thanks for clearing things up. I'll contact Tony off-line.


On 5/26/2020 12:14 PM, Brian      wrote:
On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 11:14 AM, Kenny wrote:
Tony, how can I reach you off-list?
Unless you've changed something with Groups.io, at the end of each and every message is a link, Reply to Sender.  Activating it should open a message in your e-mail/webmail client already addressed to the sender of said message, with "Re:" plus the title of the topic pre-populated as the subject which you can, of course, change.

If you have any message that originated from Tony you can use it, via the Reply to Sender link, to reach him off-list.
 
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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Tony's addons - updates

 

On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 11:14 AM, Kenny wrote:
Don't want to flood the list with a bunch of Regex talk for it may get the monitors upset.
And it would, at least on the main group.  Tony is already a member of the NVDA Chat Subgroup, and such a topic would be perfectly appropriate there.
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To stop receiving messages via email (you may still read messages on the Web):  chat+nomail@nvda.groups.io
This can also be used to put a vacation stop on group messages, then use one of the addresses below to resume delivery in the format of your choice.
 
To receive each group messages individually:  chat+single@nvda.groups.io
This is the default delivery unless you send a message to one of the addresses that follows.
 
To receive group messages in an HTML formatted digest:  chat+fulldigest@nvda.groups.io
 
To receive group messages in a plain text digest:  chat+digest@nvda.groups.io
 
To receive a daily summary instead of individual messages:  chat+summary@nvda.groups.io
 
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To contact the group owner(s):  chat+owner@nvda.groups.io
 
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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Tony's addons - updates

 

On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 11:14 AM, Kenny wrote:
Tony, how can I reach you off-list?
Unless you've changed something with Groups.io, at the end of each and every message is a link, Reply to Sender.  Activating it should open a message in your e-mail/webmail client already addressed to the sender of said message, with "Re:" plus the title of the topic pre-populated as the subject which you can, of course, change.

If you have any message that originated from Tony you can use it, via the Reply to Sender link, to reach him off-list.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Tony's addons - updates

Mohammadreza Rashad
 

Hello dear Tony,
Thanks for your interesting and useful add-ons.
Would you please add the possibility to move directly to a column or
row beyond 10 in table navigation commands for Tony's Enhancement
add-on; e.g., by implementing a script to switch the existing commands
move the cursor to 11th-20th, 21th-30th, etc. columns/rows? this
feature maybe useful and handy for large tables.
Of corse I'm not a programmer and this is just a suggestion that may
improve your add-on.
And I hope my comment is understandable, because English isn't my mother tongue.
Thanks in advance,

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Re: ESET Antivirus accessibility

CARLOS-ESTEBAN <carlosestebanpianista@...>
 

Hi all.

Well, ESET is accessible with JAWS and Narrator. NVDA work with the installer, but after NVDA only says unknown. Is possible use this antivirus with OCR and revision of screen, but with Narrator and Jaws is possible navigate with the focus using tab.

Regards.

 

 

Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

De: Iván Novegil via groups.io
Enviado: martes, 26 de mayo de 2020 4:09
Para: nvda@groups.io
Asunto: [nvda] ESET Antivirus accessibility

 

Hi all.

 

A Spanish-speaking user has just contacted us via Twitter to ask about Eset antivirus's accessibility with NVDA. He says that it works fine both with JAWS and Narrator, but despite being listed as supported on Eset's website with NVDA he's finding many issues (no more details about them).

what is you experience with this?

 

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Re: focus 14 blue controls

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!


To the left and to the right of the line of Braille cells, you should have two buttons, or three, I don't remember, to replace the WizeWheels...



If you active the keyboard help, NVDA+1 above the letters, you can press the keys on the Braille display, and NVDA will announce the key name and associated function.

To deactivate, press again the NVDA+1.


Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team


Às 15:53 de 26/05/2020, Darren Harris via groups.io escreveu:

The other question I have which the manual won’t be able to answer is this. My 14 doesn’t have wiz wheels. Not that I know what they are particularly because this is the first display I’ve ever had. So really I want to know what the 14 has that are replacing wiz wheels and even what they are/were?

 

Many thanks.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Darren Harris via groups.io
Sent: 26 May 2020 15:43
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] focus 14 blue controls

 

THANK YOU VERY MUCH I’LL GIVE THAT A LOOK. THAT IS APPRECIATED.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: 26 May 2020 11:59
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] focus 14 blue controls

 

In the Commands Quick Reference do a NVDA find for Freedom, and you will be placed in the first table with commands for the Freedom Braille displays...

 

Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team

 

Às 11:41 de 26/05/2020, Darren Harris via groups.io escreveu:

Hi, yes I did try looking for the manual. So far, I have only found stuff for touchscreens and hardware keyboards such as a QUE RTY keyboard.

 

On 26 May 2020, at 11:15, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:



Have you tried to read the NVDA manual? Or the Command quick guide?

 

Both are present in the Help menu of NVDA...

 

Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team

 

 

 

Às 09:27 de 26/05/2020, Darren Harris via groups.io escreveu:

Hi all,

 

My partner has very kindly I might add given me her focus 14 blue braille display. She’s gone and bought a braillant 14 but the 14 blue is still in perfect working order.

 

Anyway I’ve been looking around and I’ve found it’s list of commands etc on the fs website. But they are saying in that document that for third party screen readers which from their perspective NVDA is, the commands may be somewhat different.

 

So my question is, are there any differences in how the display works commands wise and if so can someone point me to the correct documentation? This isn’t the focus 14 5th gen display this is the focus 14 blue.

 

 


Re: Tony's addons - updates

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

Tony, how can I reach you off-list?


I'm having problems using the /i ignore case Regex switch. Also noticing some odd behavior when trying to match text contained within a link compared to static.


Tried several RegEx statements to match:

"Log Out of My Account"


Nothing seems to work. The text being referenced is found within a link. The /i (Ignore case) switch doesn't seem to work. Also using something like ".*" doesn't seem to match everything in between "Log Out" and "account". Works for static text, not text within a link.


Want to make the RegEx statement match anything related to logging out of account, so most links for logging out of an account would simply have "Sign out" or Log out" but others may have "Click here to Sign out" or "Log out of account".


This is why I suggested incorporating the ability to add Book marks statements individually to a list box. Then I would simply enter:

Log Out of My Account


Hit the [add[ button then be done with it. Wouldn't need any Regex matching at all.


Don't want to flood the list with a bunch of Regex talk for it may get the monitors upset.


You can reach me privately at kwashingtonbox@gmail.com.


Thanks again for creating such a nice add-on.

On 5/25/2020 5:17 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:
Hello NVDA community,

I have implemented a lot of new features in my add-ons since my last announcement here more than a year ago, so I would like to share all these new features – hopefully you guys will find some of them useful. I present my new add-ons: Phonetic punctuation and Tony’s enhancements, as well as I added many new features to BrowserNav. In the end of this email I also mention my other add-ons, just in case someone hasn’t heard of them, they have only been updated with bugfixes. This is a pretty long email, so I structured it with headings.

Please download latest versions of my add-ons directly from their respective github pages – the links are provided in this email.


   Phonetic punctuation

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-phonetic-punctuation/>

·Short audio demo <https://soundcloud.com/user-977282820/nvda-phonetic-punctuation-demo>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-phonetic-punctuation/releases/latest/download/phoneticPunctuation.nvda-addon>

This add-on allows you to substitute punctuation marks, and any other part of speech configured by a regular expression with an auditory icon (custom sound). Most common use of phonetic punctuation would be for writing code, where it is essential to know all the punctuation marks, but other uses can include: replacing the word “blank” with a sound, replacing timestamps or other frequently repeated text with a sound, etc. Configuring phonetic punctuation requires knowledge of regular expressions.

Thanks to Kara Goldfinch for contributing auditory icons for some punctuation marks!


   BrowserNav

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-browser-nav/>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-browser-nav/releases/latest/download/browsernav.nvda-addon>

BrowserNav is a collection of improvements to user experience in browsers. I added quite a few new features to it since last release.


     Horizontal indentation using tones

You can configure BrowserNav to express horizontal indentation of a currently focused element using tone – similar to a built in NVDA feature of reporting indentation with tones in text documents. This allows you to better understand the layout of the page. For example, it allows you to hear malformed HTML tables, that is when NVDA doesn’t see a table as a real table, yet the elements are still aligned in a tabular fashion on the screen. It also greatly simplifies browsing hierarchical trees of comments on websites such as reddit, facebook, hacker news – now the tone would indicate the level of the comment.

Please note that there are also commands to find next/previous element with the same horizontal indentation, which you might find handy.


     Crackling for QuickNav commands

In all my add-ons crackling is an indicator of how far we have just jumped in the document when some navigational keystroke is pressed. I implemented this feature for built-in NVDA QuickNav commands as well. Now when you press H for next heading, you can hear crackling, and judging by the length of such crackling you can quickly and intuitively figure out whether the next heading was close by or you just jumped over a lot of text.


     Browser marks

Think of this feature as regular expression enabled bookmarks for browser. You can configure a single regular expression, that can be arbitrary largeand include all the potential bookmarks on all your webpages, and then you can quickly jump to next/previous browser mark using J or Shift+J commands in browse mode. For example, as a frequent Amazon shopper, I like to be able to quickly jump to things like “5 items in cart” and “your orders”. So I have configured my browser mark regular expression to be:

(^\d+ items? in cart$|^Your orders$)

Please note that the regular expression must match the whole paragraph exactly, hence be careful with ^ and $ regular expression qualifiers. Please also note that this regular expression will apply to all web pages and all browsers, so be as specific as possible.


     Accessibility for semi-accessible edit boxes

Many web pages these days are using a fancy HTML text edit component called Monaco – it provides syntax highlighting for sighted people, but it has one major flaw: it is not accessible, that is the edit box appears empty. For example Jupyter and hacker rank use such a text editor among others. You can still retrieve the contents of the edit box by pressing Control+A Control+C and then pasting it to the editor of your choice. However, repeating this every time is tedious, therefore I automated this process. Now you can navigate to said edit box and simply press NVDA+e to view or edit it.


   Tony’s enhancements

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-tonys-enhancements/>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-tonys-enhancements/releases/latest/download/tonysEnhancements.nvda-addon>

This is a hodgepodge of small improvements to various parts of NVDA, not logically connected in any way. All the options are disabled by default and need to be enabled manually in the preferences window.


     NVDA volume

Allows to adjust the volume of all the NVDA sounds, including beeps and speech.


     Automatic language switching

Some languages use non-Latin script, e.g. Russian, Arabic, Chinese, etc. There is no reason why NVDA wouldn’t be able to automatically switch synthesizer language between English and those foreign languages. Now I bring this feature to live. Automatically switching between two Latin-based languages is not supported at this time. Please note that your synthesizer must support all these languages for this feature to be effective.


     Enhanced table navigation commands

I added commands like Control+Alt+Home/End/PageUp/PageDown to jump to first or last row or column. I also added keystrokes to jump to 1..10^th row or column, please check add-on documentation for these shortcuts.


     Enhanced move by word commands

Most text editors support Control+LeftArrow/RightArrow commands for word navigation. However the definition of the word changes from one program to another. This is especially true of modern web-based text editors, such as Monaco. NVDA should know the definition of word in given program in order to speak words correctly. If NVDA doesn't know the exact definition, then either words are going to be skipped, or pronounced multiple times. Moreover, some web-based text editors position the cursor in the end of the word, instead of the beginning, making editing much harder for visually impaired users. In order to combat this problem I have created enhanced word navigation commands, that take the word definition from Notepad++ and they do not rely on program's definition of words, but rather parse lines into words on NVDA's side. The Control+LeftArrow/RightArrow gesture is not even sent to the program, thus ensuring the consistency of the speech.

This option overrides default Control+LeftArrow/RightArrow commands in NVDA.


     Real-time console output

If you work with command line applications that print out a lot of logs, it might be not the best behavior for NVDA to read out all these logs line by line, since NVDA can be speaking much slower than those lines are being printed, thus NVDA might be speaking some lines that were printed a minute ago. I modified the way NVDA speaks command line output to be more realtime. The basic logic is like this: if a new line appears on the screen and NVDA is currently speaking something that was shown on the screen more than a second ago, then we interrupt current utterance and speak the most recent line. Speaking output this way better represents what’s going on in command line window in real time. There is also an option to beep on every update in command line.


     Dynamic keystrokes

I call a keystroke dynamic if it changes the state of an application. Often times we’d want NVDA to speak the updated change automatically, but NVDA does nothing for keystrokes that it’s not aware of. An example of such a keystroke would be F2 in Notepad++ that jumps to the next bookmark – you would want NVDA to speak the current line automatically. Many other editors have such keystrokes as well. Now you can configure the list of keystrokes and NVDA will automatically speak current line after them. Please check github page for more information.


     Suppressing unwanted “unselected” messages

If certain text is selected in a text editor, and in the next moment no longer selected, NVDA would say “unselected” and then the original text that was selected. In certain situations this is not a desirable behavior. For example if you have some text selected, and then you press Control+Home, to go to the very beginning of the document, NVDA would first speak the first line of the document, then “unselected”, then the original selection. I felt this was annoying, so I found a way to suppress this message, while still keeping the “unselected” message when you indeed unselect your selection by character, or word, etc


     Preventing double insert keystroke

If you press insert key twice accidentally, it would trigger insert mode in your application. Since Insert is a special key in NVDA, this behavior cannot be disabled using input gestures dialog in NVDA, yet this was happening too often to me, so I wrote a function to disable double insert key backstroke. If you still would like to toggle insert mode, you can do so by pressing NVDA+F2, and then insert key.


     Insert mode detector

As another layer of defense against accidental insert mode I implemented this feature. It monitors current line of text and looks at how it changes when you type alphanumeric keys. If it seems like characters are being overwritten, it will beep on every character. Similar to built-in caps lock on warning beep.


     Fixing a bug when focus gets stuck in the taskbar when pressing
     Windows+Numbers

There is a bug in Windows 10, and possibly in other versions. When switching between applications using Windows+number shortcut sometimes the focus gets stuck in the taskbar area instead of jumping to the window being switched to. So I implemented a workaround. The add-on detects this situation and plays a short low-pitch beep when this situation is detected, then the add-on fixes it automatically by bringing focus to the desired application.


   TextNav

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-text-nav/>

·Audio demo <https://soundcloud.com/user-977282820/textnav-promo>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-text-nav/releases/latest/download/textnav.nvda-addon>

TextNav allows you to quickly find the beginning of article on a web page, and also skip over junk HTML elements, such as menus, images, ads, etc.


   SentenceNav

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-sentence-nav>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-sentence-nav/releases/latest/download/SentenceNav.nvda-addon>

Allows you to navigate text sentence-by-sentence or phrase-by-phrase, as opposed to by word, character or line.


   IndentNav

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-indent-nav/>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-indent-nav/releases/latest/download/IndentNav.nvda-addon>

This add-on improves navigation around source code files for programming by allowing to find lines with the same/greater/smaller indentation level. But it also can be used for structured text files, where structure is expressed by the indentation level.


   Bluetooth Audio

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-bluetooth-audio/>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-bluetooth-audio/releases/latest/download/bluetoothaudio.nvda-addon>

Improves sound quality for those who use NVDA with Bluetooth or other wireless audio devices by constantly playing silent sound.


   AudioChart

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-audio-chart/>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-audio-chart/releases/latest/download/audioChart.nvda-addon>

AudioChart allows you to sonify time series in Microsoft Excel.

Thanks for reading this! Let me know what you think about these new features!

--Tony





Re: focus 14 blue controls

Darren Harris
 

The other question I have which the manual won’t be able to answer is this. My 14 doesn’t have wiz wheels. Not that I know what they are particularly because this is the first display I’ve ever had. So really I want to know what the 14 has that are replacing wiz wheels and even what they are/were?

 

Many thanks.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Darren Harris via groups.io
Sent: 26 May 2020 15:43
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] focus 14 blue controls

 

THANK YOU VERY MUCH I’LL GIVE THAT A LOOK. THAT IS APPRECIATED.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: 26 May 2020 11:59
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] focus 14 blue controls

 

In the Commands Quick Reference do a NVDA find for Freedom, and you will be placed in the first table with commands for the Freedom Braille displays...

 

Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team

 

Às 11:41 de 26/05/2020, Darren Harris via groups.io escreveu:

Hi, yes I did try looking for the manual. So far, I have only found stuff for touchscreens and hardware keyboards such as a QUE RTY keyboard.

 

On 26 May 2020, at 11:15, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:



Have you tried to read the NVDA manual? Or the Command quick guide?

 

Both are present in the Help menu of NVDA...

 

Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team

 

 

 

Às 09:27 de 26/05/2020, Darren Harris via groups.io escreveu:

Hi all,

 

My partner has very kindly I might add given me her focus 14 blue braille display. She’s gone and bought a braillant 14 but the 14 blue is still in perfect working order.

 

Anyway I’ve been looking around and I’ve found it’s list of commands etc on the fs website. But they are saying in that document that for third party screen readers which from their perspective NVDA is, the commands may be somewhat different.

 

So my question is, are there any differences in how the display works commands wise and if so can someone point me to the correct documentation? This isn’t the focus 14 5th gen display this is the focus 14 blue.

 

 


Re: focus 14 blue controls

Darren Harris
 

THANK YOU VERY MUCH I’LL GIVE THAT A LOOK. THAT IS APPRECIATED.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: 26 May 2020 11:59
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] focus 14 blue controls

 

In the Commands Quick Reference do a NVDA find for Freedom, and you will be placed in the first table with commands for the Freedom Braille displays...

 

Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team

 

Às 11:41 de 26/05/2020, Darren Harris via groups.io escreveu:

Hi, yes I did try looking for the manual. So far, I have only found stuff for touchscreens and hardware keyboards such as a QUE RTY keyboard.



On 26 May 2020, at 11:15, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:



Have you tried to read the NVDA manual? Or the Command quick guide?

 

Both are present in the Help menu of NVDA...

 

Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team

 

 

 

Às 09:27 de 26/05/2020, Darren Harris via groups.io escreveu:

Hi all,

 

My partner has very kindly I might add given me her focus 14 blue braille display. She’s gone and bought a braillant 14 but the 14 blue is still in perfect working order.

 

Anyway I’ve been looking around and I’ve found it’s list of commands etc on the fs website. But they are saying in that document that for third party screen readers which from their perspective NVDA is, the commands may be somewhat different.

 

So my question is, are there any differences in how the display works commands wise and if so can someone point me to the correct documentation? This isn’t the focus 14 5th gen display this is the focus 14 blue.

 

 

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