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Re: Tony's addons - updates

 

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 10:02 PM, William Wong wrote:
Of course I have check the documentation before posting the question.
Seriously, this is great.  The problem is that you are the exception rather than the rule.  So making those who don't know that these mechanisms for checking add-on documentation is important.  And it's equally important that they be used.
 
--

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Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Tony's addons - updates

蔡宗豪 Victor Cai
 

Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...> 於 2020年5月27日 週三 下午10:27寫道:

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by not ready to be translated. All the strings are processed with _() function.

It seems that tonysEnhancements is not listed in the translation system (file: settings).

Is it possible to provide a link for translators to get the po / pot file?
Here is an example: addon, markdown forever
https://andreabc.net/projects/NVDA_addons/markdownForever/l10n

I hope that this is a temporary case. Addon tonysEnhancements could be listed in the translation system soon.

Regards,
Victor



Re: cisco webex conferencing accessibility?

Brian Moore
 

It isn't great. you can do it but it isn't a fun experience.  Learn the hot keys.  It is actually slightly better with Jaws than NVDA but not significantly and it isn't really pleasant with either.

Brian.



Contact me on skype: brian.moore
follow me on twitter:
http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123
On 5/27/2020 8:46 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:

Last time I used it which was a couple of years ago it wasn't any better.  In fact, there were lots of aspects that were not accessible at all.


Dan Beaver

On 5/27/2020 8:37 PM, Clement Chou wrote:
Asking for a friend who just recently needed to start using this at
work. Has anyone else experienced this particular conferencing
platform? Apparently accessibility with JAWS is patchy at best and I
was wondering if it works any betterwith NVDA. Thoughts? Thanks
everyone!



-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: ccleaner insites? accessible? discussion maybe?

Gene
 

I don't use the product but I think that one of the most important things is that notification of which additional software will be installed and the refusal option be accessible.  A lot of the time, installers don't show such information in an accessible way and you don't know what is being offered and you can't refuse it.  I suspect CCleaner has this problem and I think it is the most important problem.  The user shouldn't have software installed he/she can't refuse and isn't aware will be installed.  Not being able to use a program is very serious, having something installed that may be difficult to remove and interferes with your use of the computer aside from that program is worse.
 
Gene 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 4:08 PM
Subject: [nvda] ccleaner insites? accessible? discussion maybe?

Hi all.

A while ago several months in fact as a user of ccleaner I recieved via
their news letter a servey to tell piriform about their product and how
good it was.

Of course I naturally opend up a can on how bad it was, etc and all that.

Today I got a message saying there is a panel going up, and asked me to
join in one of the questions there was a question about screen readers.

I don't know what this means, but this could be a step in the right
direction.

So my first thing to do is work on their accessibility issues.

The first one is the control panel with all the checkboxes.

My second are the settings in particular the button that switches on and
off smartclean, I had to use narator to check that button else nvda
would jump past it.

Third is healthcheck itself, I am going to ask them to either make it
accessible or have it turned off by default for screenreader users
because we don't really need it anyway.

Then there are add banners and messages which themselves are not
accessible as they currently are.

Finally, there is the startup of smart clean and other things on
installd  versions which we don't use or need and which can be a bother
to turn off.

Then finally last but not least, its the bundled software that is
installed, I know they need advertising for their free versions, and if
they really want sponsored listings and such they can open a page on
their site with all the extras, sponsered software, etc if they must but
not bundle it in.

Avast aint that good, its not accessible and all the extras do is screw
up our systems.

I'd also like to add portable mode to installers.

This is most of what I'd want.

The most important are the controlpanel, buttons in settings and the
health check for the first bash.

Hell if they just got the control panel right and maybe the buttons in
settings it should be a blooming good start.

The panel indicated direct feadback live was another possibility so I
would really like this.

If others get this mail I'd encourage joining the panel.

It seems that piriform or ccleaner or avast or whatever they are called
are trying to do the right thing here.

Its an awesome step in the right direction.

Now on top of the windows update being so good, keeping 99.9% of all my
settings in tact and all, I am a really happy user.





Re: Tony's addons - updates

William Wong
 

Of course I have check the documentation before posting the question.

Brian Vogel 於 27/5/2020 22:22 寫道:

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 06:21 AM, William Wong wrote:
for instance, If I want to configure Traditional Chinese and Japanese, how should I correct the map?

I don't use this specific add-on, but Tony and many add-on developers have been producing documentation for these add-ons that covers this sort of thing.

If you don't have the Add-Ons Documentation Add-on you may want to consider installing it.  You can also get to the documentation for the add-ons you have installed via NVDA itself in the Add-Ons Manager, Tools dialog.

What you're asking may very well already be discussed in the detailed documentation.  Even if it isn't, the fact that detailed documentation exists for many add-ons, and can come in quite handy, needs to be known. 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 


Re: Tony's addons - updates

William Wong
 

By the way, I edited some Browser marks   and when I wake up and turn on my computer this morning, I found that those Browser marks   that I have set last night has disappeared and restored to the default

Kenny 於 26/5/2020 22:21 寫道:

WOW! This Browser marks  feature is powerful. I created a very simple Regex statement to locate the text string:

(^Sign?out$|^Log?out$)


Now I'm able to use the letter [j] (In Browse mode) to quickly locate the Sign-out/Log out link on web pages (Banking, Utility, Shopping etc.) No more using the cumbersome "Find" facility to do this.


I hope you're able to add even more flexibility to this Browser Marks option. Maybe allow each Regex statement to be placed in a list box simply by filling in the edit field and pressing a [Add] button. Then if you change your mind about one statement, you could simply hit the [Delete] button to remove it.


Realize you don't want to create too many of these (For the Browser marks work on every single web page) but think such an addition would make this option even better.


On 5/25/2020 5:17 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:
Hello NVDA community,

I have implemented a lot of new features in my add-ons since my last announcement here more than a year ago, so I would like to share all these new features – hopefully you guys will find some of them useful. I present my new add-ons: Phonetic punctuation and Tony’s enhancements, as well as I added many new features to BrowserNav. In the end of this email I also mention my other add-ons, just in case someone hasn’t heard of them, they have only been updated with bugfixes. This is a pretty long email, so I structured it with headings.

Please download latest versions of my add-ons directly from their respective github pages – the links are provided in this email.


   Phonetic punctuation

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-phonetic-punctuation/>

·Short audio demo <https://soundcloud.com/user-977282820/nvda-phonetic-punctuation-demo>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-phonetic-punctuation/releases/latest/download/phoneticPunctuation.nvda-addon>

This add-on allows you to substitute punctuation marks, and any other part of speech configured by a regular expression with an auditory icon (custom sound). Most common use of phonetic punctuation would be for writing code, where it is essential to know all the punctuation marks, but other uses can include: replacing the word “blank” with a sound, replacing timestamps or other frequently repeated text with a sound, etc. Configuring phonetic punctuation requires knowledge of regular expressions.

Thanks to Kara Goldfinch for contributing auditory icons for some punctuation marks!


   BrowserNav

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-browser-nav/>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-browser-nav/releases/latest/download/browsernav.nvda-addon>

BrowserNav is a collection of improvements to user experience in browsers. I added quite a few new features to it since last release.


     Horizontal indentation using tones

You can configure BrowserNav to express horizontal indentation of a currently focused element using tone – similar to a built in NVDA feature of reporting indentation with tones in text documents. This allows you to better understand the layout of the page. For example, it allows you to hear malformed HTML tables, that is when NVDA doesn’t see a table as a real table, yet the elements are still aligned in a tabular fashion on the screen. It also greatly simplifies browsing hierarchical trees of comments on websites such as reddit, facebook, hacker news – now the tone would indicate the level of the comment.

Please note that there are also commands to find next/previous element with the same horizontal indentation, which you might find handy.


     Crackling for QuickNav commands

In all my add-ons crackling is an indicator of how far we have just jumped in the document when some navigational keystroke is pressed. I implemented this feature for built-in NVDA QuickNav commands as well. Now when you press H for next heading, you can hear crackling, and judging by the length of such crackling you can quickly and intuitively figure out whether the next heading was close by or you just jumped over a lot of text.


     Browser marks

Think of this feature as regular expression enabled bookmarks for browser. You can configure a single regular expression, that can be arbitrary largeand include all the potential bookmarks on all your webpages, and then you can quickly jump to next/previous browser mark using J or Shift+J commands in browse mode. For example, as a frequent Amazon shopper, I like to be able to quickly jump to things like “5 items in cart” and “your orders”. So I have configured my browser mark regular expression to be:

(^\d+ items? in cart$|^Your orders$)

Please note that the regular expression must match the whole paragraph exactly, hence be careful with ^ and $ regular expression qualifiers. Please also note that this regular expression will apply to all web pages and all browsers, so be as specific as possible.


     Accessibility for semi-accessible edit boxes

Many web pages these days are using a fancy HTML text edit component called Monaco – it provides syntax highlighting for sighted people, but it has one major flaw: it is not accessible, that is the edit box appears empty. For example Jupyter and hacker rank use such a text editor among others. You can still retrieve the contents of the edit box by pressing Control+A Control+C and then pasting it to the editor of your choice. However, repeating this every time is tedious, therefore I automated this process. Now you can navigate to said edit box and simply press NVDA+e to view or edit it.


   Tony’s enhancements

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-tonys-enhancements/>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-tonys-enhancements/releases/latest/download/tonysEnhancements.nvda-addon>

This is a hodgepodge of small improvements to various parts of NVDA, not logically connected in any way. All the options are disabled by default and need to be enabled manually in the preferences window.


     NVDA volume

Allows to adjust the volume of all the NVDA sounds, including beeps and speech.


     Automatic language switching

Some languages use non-Latin script, e.g. Russian, Arabic, Chinese, etc. There is no reason why NVDA wouldn’t be able to automatically switch synthesizer language between English and those foreign languages. Now I bring this feature to live. Automatically switching between two Latin-based languages is not supported at this time. Please note that your synthesizer must support all these languages for this feature to be effective.


     Enhanced table navigation commands

I added commands like Control+Alt+Home/End/PageUp/PageDown to jump to first or last row or column. I also added keystrokes to jump to 1..10^th row or column, please check add-on documentation for these shortcuts.


     Enhanced move by word commands

Most text editors support Control+LeftArrow/RightArrow commands for word navigation. However the definition of the word changes from one program to another. This is especially true of modern web-based text editors, such as Monaco. NVDA should know the definition of word in given program in order to speak words correctly. If NVDA doesn't know the exact definition, then either words are going to be skipped, or pronounced multiple times. Moreover, some web-based text editors position the cursor in the end of the word, instead of the beginning, making editing much harder for visually impaired users. In order to combat this problem I have created enhanced word navigation commands, that take the word definition from Notepad++ and they do not rely on program's definition of words, but rather parse lines into words on NVDA's side. The Control+LeftArrow/RightArrow gesture is not even sent to the program, thus ensuring the consistency of the speech.

This option overrides default Control+LeftArrow/RightArrow commands in NVDA.


     Real-time console output

If you work with command line applications that print out a lot of logs, it might be not the best behavior for NVDA to read out all these logs line by line, since NVDA can be speaking much slower than those lines are being printed, thus NVDA might be speaking some lines that were printed a minute ago. I modified the way NVDA speaks command line output to be more realtime. The basic logic is like this: if a new line appears on the screen and NVDA is currently speaking something that was shown on the screen more than a second ago, then we interrupt current utterance and speak the most recent line. Speaking output this way better represents what’s going on in command line window in real time. There is also an option to beep on every update in command line.


     Dynamic keystrokes

I call a keystroke dynamic if it changes the state of an application. Often times we’d want NVDA to speak the updated change automatically, but NVDA does nothing for keystrokes that it’s not aware of. An example of such a keystroke would be F2 in Notepad++ that jumps to the next bookmark – you would want NVDA to speak the current line automatically. Many other editors have such keystrokes as well. Now you can configure the list of keystrokes and NVDA will automatically speak current line after them. Please check github page for more information.


     Suppressing unwanted “unselected” messages

If certain text is selected in a text editor, and in the next moment no longer selected, NVDA would say “unselected” and then the original text that was selected. In certain situations this is not a desirable behavior. For example if you have some text selected, and then you press Control+Home, to go to the very beginning of the document, NVDA would first speak the first line of the document, then “unselected”, then the original selection. I felt this was annoying, so I found a way to suppress this message, while still keeping the “unselected” message when you indeed unselect your selection by character, or word, etc


     Preventing double insert keystroke

If you press insert key twice accidentally, it would trigger insert mode in your application. Since Insert is a special key in NVDA, this behavior cannot be disabled using input gestures dialog in NVDA, yet this was happening too often to me, so I wrote a function to disable double insert key backstroke. If you still would like to toggle insert mode, you can do so by pressing NVDA+F2, and then insert key.


     Insert mode detector

As another layer of defense against accidental insert mode I implemented this feature. It monitors current line of text and looks at how it changes when you type alphanumeric keys. If it seems like characters are being overwritten, it will beep on every character. Similar to built-in caps lock on warning beep.


     Fixing a bug when focus gets stuck in the taskbar when pressing
     Windows+Numbers

There is a bug in Windows 10, and possibly in other versions. When switching between applications using Windows+number shortcut sometimes the focus gets stuck in the taskbar area instead of jumping to the window being switched to. So I implemented a workaround. The add-on detects this situation and plays a short low-pitch beep when this situation is detected, then the add-on fixes it automatically by bringing focus to the desired application.


   TextNav

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-text-nav/>

·Audio demo <https://soundcloud.com/user-977282820/textnav-promo>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-text-nav/releases/latest/download/textnav.nvda-addon>

TextNav allows you to quickly find the beginning of article on a web page, and also skip over junk HTML elements, such as menus, images, ads, etc.


   SentenceNav

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-sentence-nav>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-sentence-nav/releases/latest/download/SentenceNav.nvda-addon>

Allows you to navigate text sentence-by-sentence or phrase-by-phrase, as opposed to by word, character or line.


   IndentNav

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-indent-nav/>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-indent-nav/releases/latest/download/IndentNav.nvda-addon>

This add-on improves navigation around source code files for programming by allowing to find lines with the same/greater/smaller indentation level. But it also can be used for structured text files, where structure is expressed by the indentation level.


   Bluetooth Audio

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-bluetooth-audio/>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-bluetooth-audio/releases/latest/download/bluetoothaudio.nvda-addon>

Improves sound quality for those who use NVDA with Bluetooth or other wireless audio devices by constantly playing silent sound.


   AudioChart

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-audio-chart/>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-audio-chart/releases/latest/download/audioChart.nvda-addon>

AudioChart allows you to sonify time series in Microsoft Excel.

Thanks for reading this! Let me know what you think about these new features!

--Tony






Re: Tony's addons - updates

William Wong
 

Yes, I do prefer to have a more detailed configuration for the browser marks. e.g. setting marks for specific window title; one entry per each line, instead of putting all rules in the same box.



寫道:

WOW! This Browser marks  feature is powerful. I created a very simple Regex statement to locate the text string:

(^Sign?out$|^Log?out$)


Now I'm able to use the letter [j] (In Browse mode) to quickly locate the Sign-out/Log out link on web pages (Banking, Utility, Shopping etc.) No more using the cumbersome "Find" facility to do this.


I hope you're able to add even more flexibility to this Browser Marks option. Maybe allow each Regex statement to be placed in a list box simply by filling in the edit field and pressing a [Add] button. Then if you change your mind about one statement, you could simply hit the [Delete] button to remove it.


Realize you don't want to create too many of these (For the Browser marks work on every single web page) but think such an addition would make this option even better.


On 5/25/2020 5:17 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:
Hello NVDA community,

I have implemented a lot of new features in my add-ons since my last announcement here more than a year ago, so I would like to share all these new features – hopefully you guys will find some of them useful. I present my new add-ons: Phonetic punctuation and Tony’s enhancements, as well as I added many new features to BrowserNav. In the end of this email I also mention my other add-ons, just in case someone hasn’t heard of them, they have only been updated with bugfixes. This is a pretty long email, so I structured it with headings.

Please download latest versions of my add-ons directly from their respective github pages – the links are provided in this email.


   Phonetic punctuation

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-phonetic-punctuation/>

·Short audio demo <https://soundcloud.com/user-977282820/nvda-phonetic-punctuation-demo>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-phonetic-punctuation/releases/latest/download/phoneticPunctuation.nvda-addon>

This add-on allows you to substitute punctuation marks, and any other part of speech configured by a regular expression with an auditory icon (custom sound). Most common use of phonetic punctuation would be for writing code, where it is essential to know all the punctuation marks, but other uses can include: replacing the word “blank” with a sound, replacing timestamps or other frequently repeated text with a sound, etc. Configuring phonetic punctuation requires knowledge of regular expressions.

Thanks to Kara Goldfinch for contributing auditory icons for some punctuation marks!


   BrowserNav

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-browser-nav/>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-browser-nav/releases/latest/download/browsernav.nvda-addon>

BrowserNav is a collection of improvements to user experience in browsers. I added quite a few new features to it since last release.


     Horizontal indentation using tones

You can configure BrowserNav to express horizontal indentation of a currently focused element using tone – similar to a built in NVDA feature of reporting indentation with tones in text documents. This allows you to better understand the layout of the page. For example, it allows you to hear malformed HTML tables, that is when NVDA doesn’t see a table as a real table, yet the elements are still aligned in a tabular fashion on the screen. It also greatly simplifies browsing hierarchical trees of comments on websites such as reddit, facebook, hacker news – now the tone would indicate the level of the comment.

Please note that there are also commands to find next/previous element with the same horizontal indentation, which you might find handy.


     Crackling for QuickNav commands

In all my add-ons crackling is an indicator of how far we have just jumped in the document when some navigational keystroke is pressed. I implemented this feature for built-in NVDA QuickNav commands as well. Now when you press H for next heading, you can hear crackling, and judging by the length of such crackling you can quickly and intuitively figure out whether the next heading was close by or you just jumped over a lot of text.


     Browser marks

Think of this feature as regular expression enabled bookmarks for browser. You can configure a single regular expression, that can be arbitrary largeand include all the potential bookmarks on all your webpages, and then you can quickly jump to next/previous browser mark using J or Shift+J commands in browse mode. For example, as a frequent Amazon shopper, I like to be able to quickly jump to things like “5 items in cart” and “your orders”. So I have configured my browser mark regular expression to be:

(^\d+ items? in cart$|^Your orders$)

Please note that the regular expression must match the whole paragraph exactly, hence be careful with ^ and $ regular expression qualifiers. Please also note that this regular expression will apply to all web pages and all browsers, so be as specific as possible.


     Accessibility for semi-accessible edit boxes

Many web pages these days are using a fancy HTML text edit component called Monaco – it provides syntax highlighting for sighted people, but it has one major flaw: it is not accessible, that is the edit box appears empty. For example Jupyter and hacker rank use such a text editor among others. You can still retrieve the contents of the edit box by pressing Control+A Control+C and then pasting it to the editor of your choice. However, repeating this every time is tedious, therefore I automated this process. Now you can navigate to said edit box and simply press NVDA+e to view or edit it.


   Tony’s enhancements

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-tonys-enhancements/>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-tonys-enhancements/releases/latest/download/tonysEnhancements.nvda-addon>

This is a hodgepodge of small improvements to various parts of NVDA, not logically connected in any way. All the options are disabled by default and need to be enabled manually in the preferences window.


     NVDA volume

Allows to adjust the volume of all the NVDA sounds, including beeps and speech.


     Automatic language switching

Some languages use non-Latin script, e.g. Russian, Arabic, Chinese, etc. There is no reason why NVDA wouldn’t be able to automatically switch synthesizer language between English and those foreign languages. Now I bring this feature to live. Automatically switching between two Latin-based languages is not supported at this time. Please note that your synthesizer must support all these languages for this feature to be effective.


     Enhanced table navigation commands

I added commands like Control+Alt+Home/End/PageUp/PageDown to jump to first or last row or column. I also added keystrokes to jump to 1..10^th row or column, please check add-on documentation for these shortcuts.


     Enhanced move by word commands

Most text editors support Control+LeftArrow/RightArrow commands for word navigation. However the definition of the word changes from one program to another. This is especially true of modern web-based text editors, such as Monaco. NVDA should know the definition of word in given program in order to speak words correctly. If NVDA doesn't know the exact definition, then either words are going to be skipped, or pronounced multiple times. Moreover, some web-based text editors position the cursor in the end of the word, instead of the beginning, making editing much harder for visually impaired users. In order to combat this problem I have created enhanced word navigation commands, that take the word definition from Notepad++ and they do not rely on program's definition of words, but rather parse lines into words on NVDA's side. The Control+LeftArrow/RightArrow gesture is not even sent to the program, thus ensuring the consistency of the speech.

This option overrides default Control+LeftArrow/RightArrow commands in NVDA.


     Real-time console output

If you work with command line applications that print out a lot of logs, it might be not the best behavior for NVDA to read out all these logs line by line, since NVDA can be speaking much slower than those lines are being printed, thus NVDA might be speaking some lines that were printed a minute ago. I modified the way NVDA speaks command line output to be more realtime. The basic logic is like this: if a new line appears on the screen and NVDA is currently speaking something that was shown on the screen more than a second ago, then we interrupt current utterance and speak the most recent line. Speaking output this way better represents what’s going on in command line window in real time. There is also an option to beep on every update in command line.


     Dynamic keystrokes

I call a keystroke dynamic if it changes the state of an application. Often times we’d want NVDA to speak the updated change automatically, but NVDA does nothing for keystrokes that it’s not aware of. An example of such a keystroke would be F2 in Notepad++ that jumps to the next bookmark – you would want NVDA to speak the current line automatically. Many other editors have such keystrokes as well. Now you can configure the list of keystrokes and NVDA will automatically speak current line after them. Please check github page for more information.


     Suppressing unwanted “unselected” messages

If certain text is selected in a text editor, and in the next moment no longer selected, NVDA would say “unselected” and then the original text that was selected. In certain situations this is not a desirable behavior. For example if you have some text selected, and then you press Control+Home, to go to the very beginning of the document, NVDA would first speak the first line of the document, then “unselected”, then the original selection. I felt this was annoying, so I found a way to suppress this message, while still keeping the “unselected” message when you indeed unselect your selection by character, or word, etc


     Preventing double insert keystroke

If you press insert key twice accidentally, it would trigger insert mode in your application. Since Insert is a special key in NVDA, this behavior cannot be disabled using input gestures dialog in NVDA, yet this was happening too often to me, so I wrote a function to disable double insert key backstroke. If you still would like to toggle insert mode, you can do so by pressing NVDA+F2, and then insert key.


     Insert mode detector

As another layer of defense against accidental insert mode I implemented this feature. It monitors current line of text and looks at how it changes when you type alphanumeric keys. If it seems like characters are being overwritten, it will beep on every character. Similar to built-in caps lock on warning beep.


     Fixing a bug when focus gets stuck in the taskbar when pressing
     Windows+Numbers

There is a bug in Windows 10, and possibly in other versions. When switching between applications using Windows+number shortcut sometimes the focus gets stuck in the taskbar area instead of jumping to the window being switched to. So I implemented a workaround. The add-on detects this situation and plays a short low-pitch beep when this situation is detected, then the add-on fixes it automatically by bringing focus to the desired application.


   TextNav

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-text-nav/>

·Audio demo <https://soundcloud.com/user-977282820/textnav-promo>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-text-nav/releases/latest/download/textnav.nvda-addon>

TextNav allows you to quickly find the beginning of article on a web page, and also skip over junk HTML elements, such as menus, images, ads, etc.


   SentenceNav

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-sentence-nav>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-sentence-nav/releases/latest/download/SentenceNav.nvda-addon>

Allows you to navigate text sentence-by-sentence or phrase-by-phrase, as opposed to by word, character or line.


   IndentNav

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-indent-nav/>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-indent-nav/releases/latest/download/IndentNav.nvda-addon>

This add-on improves navigation around source code files for programming by allowing to find lines with the same/greater/smaller indentation level. But it also can be used for structured text files, where structure is expressed by the indentation level.


   Bluetooth Audio

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-bluetooth-audio/>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-bluetooth-audio/releases/latest/download/bluetoothaudio.nvda-addon>

Improves sound quality for those who use NVDA with Bluetooth or other wireless audio devices by constantly playing silent sound.


   AudioChart

·Github page <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-audio-chart/>

·Download latest version <https://github.com/mltony/nvda-audio-chart/releases/latest/download/audioChart.nvda-addon>

AudioChart allows you to sonify time series in Microsoft Excel.

Thanks for reading this! Let me know what you think about these new features!

--Tony






Re: Tony's addons - updates

William Wong
 

No, they have different character. As far as I know.


Tony Malykh 於 27/5/2020 22:32 寫道:

Language map can be edited in preferences. Do Chinese and Japanese use the same Unicode character set or different ones? If they use the same set, autmatic switching won't be possible.

On 5/27/2020 3:21 AM, William Wong wrote:
Hi,

Thanks for the list of addons.

Regarding "tonysEnhancements"

how to edit Edit language map

for instance, If I want to configure Traditional Chinese and Japanese, how should I correct the map?

Thanks.






Re: Tony's addons - updates

William Wong
 

Sorry, I was following the Tony addon discussion.

Can you move your discussion on Thunderbird or email view mode to some other topic else.

Kenny 於 27/5/2020 1:50 寫道:

Gene I had problem with a promotional email that was showing up as blank in Thunderbird. Had to switch view message body as text to review the content. Forgot to switch it back.


On 5/26/2020 1:39 PM, Gene wrote:
It is better to read mail as simple HTML.  You will see all HTML controls such as links and the message will be formatted as the sender desired.  You can use browse mode to search the message or any of the quick navigation keys can be used.  But no code can run that is in the HTML.  Formatting is the only thing permitted to be done.  You are thus safe from any possible malicious code and you can work with the message just as you would reading it as HTmL.
 
This is a Thunderbird feature. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kenny
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tony's addons - updates

LOL! Forgot I changed my Thunderbird settings for View/Message Body As... to "Plain Text" and those "Reply" links weren't being displayed. Once I changed the setting back to"Original Html" the links you mentioned re-appeared.


Brian, maybe you guys should make those links display at the bottom of the message, even when a subscriber has their mail client's message body view set to Text?


Just a suggestion.


Thanks for clearing things up. I'll contact Tony off-line.


On 5/26/2020 12:14 PM, Brian      wrote:
On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 11:14 AM, Kenny wrote:
Tony, how can I reach you off-list?
Unless you've changed something with Groups.io, at the end of each and every message is a link, Reply to Sender.  Activating it should open a message in your e-mail/webmail client already addressed to the sender of said message, with "Re:" plus the title of the topic pre-populated as the subject which you can, of course, change.

If you have any message that originated from Tony you can use it, via the Reply to Sender link, to reach him off-list.
 
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Re: cisco webex conferencing accessibility?

Clement Chou
 

Right. So it sounds like it hasn't improved any then. Ah well... if
anyone has had better luck, feel free to share. Would be appreciated!

On 5/27/20, Dan Beaver <dbeaver888@...> wrote:
Last time I used it which was a couple of years ago it wasn't any better.
In fact, there were lots of aspects that were not accessible at all.


Dan Beaver

On 5/27/2020 8:37 PM, Clement Chou wrote:

Asking for a friend who just recently needed to start using this at
work. Has anyone else experienced this particular conferencing
platform? Apparently accessibility with JAWS is patchy at best and I
was wondering if it works any betterwith NVDA. Thoughts? Thanks
everyone!


--
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Re: cisco webex conferencing accessibility?

Dan Beaver
 

Last time I used it which was a couple of years ago it wasn't any better.  In fact, there were lots of aspects that were not accessible at all.


Dan Beaver

On 5/27/2020 8:37 PM, Clement Chou wrote:
Asking for a friend who just recently needed to start using this at
work. Has anyone else experienced this particular conferencing
platform? Apparently accessibility with JAWS is patchy at best and I
was wondering if it works any betterwith NVDA. Thoughts? Thanks
everyone!



-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


cisco webex conferencing accessibility?

Clement Chou
 

Asking for a friend who just recently needed to start using this at
work. Has anyone else experienced this particular conferencing
platform? Apparently accessibility with JAWS is patchy at best and I
was wondering if it works any betterwith NVDA. Thoughts? Thanks
everyone!


Re: Accessible scanner drivers

Luke Davis
 

OT here, but if you have an iPhone, the iOS version of HP Smart is very accessible.
A few unlabeled buttons, but you can figure them out from context. (E.G. the only unlabeled button on the scan screen, is the scan button.)

Luke

On Wed, 27 May 2020, Tony Malykh wrote:

After reading all the replies, I decided to try HP - I bought printer+scanner HP 8035 - one of the top models on Amazon. They offer to install this tool called HP Smart to configure your device. Unfortunately this tool seems to be not accessible - I tried with NVDA and Jaws. Most buttons are not marked, most list elements cannot be read by either screenreader. It seems like the state of accessibility hasn't changed much since 5 years ago. Now I'd have to ask someone sighted to configure it. Maybe in the end I should've tried Canon - more people have recommended it, but in the last moment I changed my mind and switched to HP because customer ratings for Canon products were low on Amazon....


Re: New with NVDA need help

 

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 04:07 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
And, while there's nothing wrong with asking if you have trouble, all of this is in the NVDA manual that comes with the program.
And every NVDA user, particularly new ones (but it's incredibly handy for old-timers too, when looking for something you seldom use), should commit the following two commands to memory:

1. NVDA+N,H,Q - Open the NVDA Commands Quick Reference in your default web browser.

2. NVDA+N,H,U - Open the NVDA User Manual in your default web browser.

You can also find all the documentation under the NVDA install folder, documentation subfolder, language specific subfolder.  This is typically:

"C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\documentation\en"   for English Language versions.  Substitute fr for en for French, de for en for German, etc., etc., etc.

It's the HTML files that are found there that get opened via the commands noted above, but you can also open that folder and activate the HTML file (and they're clearly named by purpose) you need to view.
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Re: ccleaner insites? accessible? discussion maybe?

Sarah k Alawami
 

It is now no longer on there, CCleaner asked ninite to remove their product according to what the folks at ninite told me.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

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Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 27 May 2020, at 14:20, Jackie wrote:

You know, Shaun, if you'd go to ninite.com, you can install a lot of
different software & have the bundled extras skipped. I don't know if
CCleaner is on there, though I seem to remember that at some point it
was.

Good on you for bringing accessibility to their attention.

On 5/27/20, Shaun Everiss sm.everiss@... wrote:

Hi all.

A while ago several months in fact as a user of ccleaner I recieved via
their news letter a servey to tell piriform about their product and how
good it was.

Of course I naturally opend up a can on how bad it was, etc and all that.

Today I got a message saying there is a panel going up, and asked me to
join in one of the questions there was a question about screen readers.

I don't know what this means, but this could be a step in the right
direction.

So my first thing to do is work on their accessibility issues.

The first one is the control panel with all the checkboxes.

My second are the settings in particular the button that switches on and
off smartclean, I had to use narator to check that button else nvda
would jump past it.

Third is healthcheck itself, I am going to ask them to either make it
accessible or have it turned off by default for screenreader users
because we don't really need it anyway.

Then there are add banners and messages which themselves are not
accessible as they currently are.

Finally, there is the startup of smart clean and other things on
installd  versions which we don't use or need and which can be a bother
to turn off.

Then finally last but not least, its the bundled software that is
installed, I know they need advertising for their free versions, and if
they really want sponsored listings and such they can open a page on
their site with all the extras, sponsered software, etc if they must but
not bundle it in.

Avast aint that good, its not accessible and all the extras do is screw
up our systems.

I'd also like to add portable mode to installers.

This is most of what I'd want.

The most important are the controlpanel, buttons in settings and the
health check for the first bash.

Hell if they just got the control panel right and maybe the buttons in
settings it should be a blooming good start.

The panel indicated direct feadback live was another possibility so I
would really like this.

If others get this mail I'd encourage joining the panel.

It seems that piriform or ccleaner or avast or whatever they are called
are trying to do the right thing here.

Its an awesome step in the right direction.

Now on top of the windows update being so good, keeping 99.9% of all my
settings in tact and all, I am a really happy user.

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Re: ccleaner insites? accessible? discussion maybe?

 

Hmmm true, but ccleaner portable serves me well.

All the settings are in an ini file and the app is on another site.

And while ninite would probably work, the trick isn't to hide behind another tool or service, I think in my opinion you need to get involved with the makers themselves.

Using another thirdparty service to access something else that you use tthat you should have access to may be fine but if you are like me you want backups of installers etc to transfer about if you need them for another system and what if the net dies.

On 28/05/2020 9:20 am, Jackie wrote:
You know, Shaun, if you'd go to ninite.com, you can install a lot of
different software & have the bundled extras skipped. I don't know if
CCleaner is on there, though I seem to remember that at some point it
was.

Good on you for bringing accessibility to their attention.

On 5/27/20, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
Hi all.

A while ago several months in fact as a user of ccleaner I recieved via
their news letter a servey to tell piriform about their product and how
good it was.

Of course I naturally opend up a can on how bad it was, etc and all that.

Today I got a message saying there is a panel going up, and asked me to
join in one of the questions there was a question about screen readers.

I don't know what this means, but this could be a step in the right
direction.

So my first thing to do is work on their accessibility issues.

The first one is the control panel with all the checkboxes.

My second are the settings in particular the button that switches on and
off smartclean, I had to use narator to check that button else nvda
would jump past it.

Third is healthcheck itself, I am going to ask them to either make it
accessible or have it turned off by default for screenreader users
because we don't really need it anyway.

Then there are add banners and messages which themselves are not
accessible as they currently are.

Finally, there is the startup of smart clean and other things on
installd  versions which we don't use or need and which can be a bother
to turn off.

Then finally last but not least, its the bundled software that is
installed, I know they need advertising for their free versions, and if
they really want sponsored listings and such they can open a page on
their site with all the extras, sponsered software, etc if they must but
not bundle it in.

Avast aint that good, its not accessible and all the extras do is screw
up our systems.

I'd also like to add portable mode to installers.

This is most of what I'd want.

The most important are the controlpanel, buttons in settings and the
health check for the first bash.

Hell if they just got the control panel right and maybe the buttons in
settings it should be a blooming good start.

The panel indicated direct feadback live was another possibility so I
would really like this.

If others get this mail I'd encourage joining the panel.

It seems that piriform or ccleaner or avast or whatever they are called
are trying to do the right thing here.

Its an awesome step in the right direction.

Now on top of the windows update being so good, keeping 99.9% of all my
settings in tact and all, I am a really happy user.






Re: ccleaner insites? accessible? discussion maybe?

Jackie
 

You know, Shaun, if you'd go to ninite.com, you can install a lot of
different software & have the bundled extras skipped. I don't know if
CCleaner is on there, though I seem to remember that at some point it
was.

Good on you for bringing accessibility to their attention.

On 5/27/20, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
Hi all.

A while ago several months in fact as a user of ccleaner I recieved via
their news letter a servey to tell piriform about their product and how
good it was.

Of course I naturally opend up a can on how bad it was, etc and all that.

Today I got a message saying there is a panel going up, and asked me to
join in one of the questions there was a question about screen readers.

I don't know what this means, but this could be a step in the right
direction.

So my first thing to do is work on their accessibility issues.

The first one is the control panel with all the checkboxes.

My second are the settings in particular the button that switches on and
off smartclean, I had to use narator to check that button else nvda
would jump past it.

Third is healthcheck itself, I am going to ask them to either make it
accessible or have it turned off by default for screenreader users
because we don't really need it anyway.

Then there are add banners and messages which themselves are not
accessible as they currently are.

Finally, there is the startup of smart clean and other things on
installd  versions which we don't use or need and which can be a bother
to turn off.

Then finally last but not least, its the bundled software that is
installed, I know they need advertising for their free versions, and if
they really want sponsored listings and such they can open a page on
their site with all the extras, sponsered software, etc if they must but
not bundle it in.

Avast aint that good, its not accessible and all the extras do is screw
up our systems.

I'd also like to add portable mode to installers.

This is most of what I'd want.

The most important are the controlpanel, buttons in settings and the
health check for the first bash.

Hell if they just got the control panel right and maybe the buttons in
settings it should be a blooming good start.

The panel indicated direct feadback live was another possibility so I
would really like this.

If others get this mail I'd encourage joining the panel.

It seems that piriform or ccleaner or avast or whatever they are called
are trying to do the right thing here.

Its an awesome step in the right direction.

Now on top of the windows update being so good, keeping 99.9% of all my
settings in tact and all, I am a really happy user.





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Re: Accessible scanner drivers

 

Easystart just installs the drivers.

You should be able to enable other features from the printer website.

On all your systems you should have the printer drivers, on the newer systems my brother does it but not tested with the  phones, holding your phone near the nfc will cause the printer to locate your phone and set itself up.

the app is hp smart in both phone types so who knows.

I have scanned from the web to pdf with drivers installed and the printer will support eprint jet, air, and cloud though you will need sighted help to initiate the completion on the device of the google cloud registration.

The scanner will support twane and the new windows wia protocol.

As long as your program supports the right protocols then it will work.

There maybe extra service apps to install for your printer on the phones to but it should all work seemlessly.

On 28/05/2020 9:05 am, Tony Malykh wrote:
Will hp easystart,  allow me to use fancy features, like scanning directly to Dropbox? I know this printer supports this feature, but now I'm not sure whether I'd be able to use it...

On 5/27/2020 11:49 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hmmm hp smart is not in any shape or form accessible.

You should go through all the sections, you need to install something called hp easystart, this may or may not work even gets you to set your eservice account.

Now if you don't feel comfortable with that, there is probably a version of your driver in the utilities section though easystart will know what that usually is as there can be multiple versions.

Easystart is still got a few access issues but at least you should be able to read the screens.

In general for hp devices you will need the basic drivers package, and the full driver utility package, and if it comes with ocr software packages depending what that is I'd get that to.

After you get into the websetup on the networked printer, you can do that by finding your unit in network rightclicking with appkey, and selecting view webpage, you can go to tools or settings and maybe admin, and click firmware update or click status and firmware update or search for firmware update,

hitting that and the update button will cause hp to dial home and update, setting this to automatic will usually get updates, though every so often I like to double check to make sure its done as sometimes it will ask you to confirm that the update is installed and ready.



On 28/05/2020 3:52 am, Tony Malykh wrote:
After reading all the replies, I decided to try HP - I bought printer+scanner HP 8035 - one of the top models on Amazon. They offer to install this tool called HP Smart to configure your device. Unfortunately this tool seems to be not accessible - I tried with NVDA and Jaws. Most buttons are not marked, most list elements cannot be read by either screenreader. It seems like the state of accessibility hasn't changed much since 5 years ago. Now I'd have to ask someone sighted to configure it. Maybe in the end I should've tried Canon - more people have recommended it, but in the last moment I changed my mind and switched to HP because customer ratings for Canon products were low on Amazon....


On 5/21/2020 7:38 AM, Tony Malykh wrote:
Hello all,
I am looking to buy a new scanner as my old one just died. However I've heard that scanner drivers from many manufacturers tend to be not very accessible. Can anyone recommend me which scanner (or scanner+printer) comes with accessible driver/accompanying software?
Thanks!
Tony


.


ccleaner insites? accessible? discussion maybe?

 

Hi all.

A while ago several months in fact as a user of ccleaner I recieved via their news letter a servey to tell piriform about their product and how good it was.

Of course I naturally opend up a can on how bad it was, etc and all that.

Today I got a message saying there is a panel going up, and asked me to join in one of the questions there was a question about screen readers.

I don't know what this means, but this could be a step in the right direction.

So my first thing to do is work on their accessibility issues.

The first one is the control panel with all the checkboxes.

My second are the settings in particular the button that switches on and off smartclean, I had to use narator to check that button else nvda would jump past it.

Third is healthcheck itself, I am going to ask them to either make it accessible or have it turned off by default for screenreader users because we don't really need it anyway.

Then there are add banners and messages which themselves are not accessible as they currently are.

Finally, there is the startup of smart clean and other things on installd  versions which we don't use or need and which can be a bother to turn off.

Then finally last but not least, its the bundled software that is installed, I know they need advertising for their free versions, and if they really want sponsored listings and such they can open a page on their site with all the extras, sponsered software, etc if they must but not bundle it in.

Avast aint that good, its not accessible and all the extras do is screw up our systems.

I'd also like to add portable mode to installers.

This is most of what I'd want.

The most important are the controlpanel, buttons in settings and the health check for the first bash.

Hell if they just got the control panel right and maybe the buttons in settings it should be a blooming good start.

The panel indicated direct feadback live was another possibility so I would really like this.

If others get this mail I'd encourage joining the panel.

It seems that piriform or ccleaner or avast or whatever they are called are trying to do the right thing here.

Its an awesome step in the right direction.

Now on top of the windows update being so good, keeping 99.9% of all my settings in tact and all, I am a really happy user.


Re: Accessible scanner drivers

Tony Malykh
 

Will hp easystart,  allow me to use fancy features, like scanning directly to Dropbox? I know this printer supports this feature, but now I'm not sure whether I'd be able to use it...

On 5/27/2020 11:49 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hmmm hp smart is not in any shape or form accessible.

You should go through all the sections, you need to install something called hp easystart, this may or may not work even gets you to set your eservice account.

Now if you don't feel comfortable with that, there is probably a version of your driver in the utilities section though easystart will know what that usually is as there can be multiple versions.

Easystart is still got a few access issues but at least you should be able to read the screens.

In general for hp devices you will need the basic drivers package, and the full driver utility package, and if it comes with ocr software packages depending what that is I'd get that to.

After you get into the websetup on the networked printer, you can do that by finding your unit in network rightclicking with appkey, and selecting view webpage, you can go to tools or settings and maybe admin, and click firmware update or click status and firmware update or search for firmware update,

hitting that and the update button will cause hp to dial home and update, setting this to automatic will usually get updates, though every so often I like to double check to make sure its done as sometimes it will ask you to confirm that the update is installed and ready.



On 28/05/2020 3:52 am, Tony Malykh wrote:
After reading all the replies, I decided to try HP - I bought printer+scanner HP 8035 - one of the top models on Amazon. They offer to install this tool called HP Smart to configure your device. Unfortunately this tool seems to be not accessible - I tried with NVDA and Jaws. Most buttons are not marked, most list elements cannot be read by either screenreader. It seems like the state of accessibility hasn't changed much since 5 years ago. Now I'd have to ask someone sighted to configure it. Maybe in the end I should've tried Canon - more people have recommended it, but in the last moment I changed my mind and switched to HP because customer ratings for Canon products were low on Amazon....


On 5/21/2020 7:38 AM, Tony Malykh wrote:
Hello all,
I am looking to buy a new scanner as my old one just died. However I've heard that scanner drivers from many manufacturers tend to be not very accessible. Can anyone recommend me which scanner (or scanner+printer) comes with accessible driver/accompanying software?
Thanks!
Tony


.