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Re: problem with the newest chrome

Gene
 

It should be pointed out that those reporting problems aren't stating the version of Windows being used.  Those who are reporting no problems are also not providing such information.  That might be at least one reason that people are reporting different results.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

Then these problems may be Chrome problems.  I won't comment further and I'll wait to see what others may say. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

The log is the NVDA log. In the nvda-translations list is a message about chrome, http://www.freelists.org/post/nvda-translations/Google-Chrome-support-is-broken-20163-should-alert-users-on-changest2t.

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Op 19-8-2016 om 13:11 schreef Gene:
Then this is evidently not an accessibility issue and I suspect it isn't a general problem with Chrome.  A sighted person probably wouldn't see links either and an error message is generated by Chrome, something that would not happen if this were an accessibility issue.  Try uninstalling and reinstalling Chrome.  You may have gotten a bad update. 
 
Also, since only one other person has reported an unclear problem with Chrome and certain links, that further supports the possibility that this is not a general Chrome problem.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

If I have a link in Chrome NVDA says blank. This happens at every link, not only in search results. The log is:

ERROR - XMLFormatting.XMLTextParser.parse (12:46:30):
XML: <control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5026" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="0" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="22" _childcontrolcount="22" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" IAccessible2::attribute_explicit-name="true" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="#document" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="15" IAccessible::state_1048576="1" IAccessible::state_64="1" keyboardShortcut="" name="Microsoft – Official Home Page" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5027" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="0" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="5" _childcontrolcount="4" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="22" IAccessible2::attribute_class="shell-header shell-responsive  global-sticky mobile-view" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_id="shell-header" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="div" IAccessible2::attribute_xml-roles="banner" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="1043" keyboardShortcut="" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5031" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="1" _childcontrolcount="1" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="5" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_id="srv_shellHeaderMicrosoftLogo" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="a" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="30" IAccessible::state_1048576="1" IAccessible::state_4194304="1" IAccessible::state_8388608="1" IAccessibleAction_Gaan naar="0" description="Microsoft" keyboardShortcut="" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5035" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="1" _childcontrolcount="0" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_explicit-name="true" IAccessible2::attribute_src="https://assets.onestore.ms/cdnfiles/onestorerolling-1608-09000/shell/v3/images/logo/microsoft.png" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="img" IAccessible2::attribute_xml-roles="img" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="40" IAccessible::state_4194304="1" IAccessible::state_64="1" IAccessibleAction_klikken="0" keyboardShortcut="" ><text _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="0" isHidden="0" _childcount="0" _childcontrolcount="0" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" >Microsoft</text></control></control></control></control>
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "XMLFormatting.pyc", line 60, in parse
ExpatError: not well-formed (invalid token): line 1, column 1516


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Op 19-8-2016 om 12:01 schreef Gene:
Chrome automatically updates itself and the user can't stop it.  Use Firefox for sites where you have this problem.  It isn't clear to me what the problem is.  Is the problem that when you do a search such as a google search, you don't see the links in the results displayed as clickable links or you don't see the address of the sites in the results showing where the result leads?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

One of the things I soon learned was to keep archives of older versions of
software so one could back track if things got broken. For the moment all
you can do is tell  The Chrome team and nvda team about any issues and  back
track to the earlier viersion until its been fixed.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome


> hello all,
>
> i've a problem with the newest version of chrome.
>
> when i type a search string for example nvda the results will coming up,
> but the link will not be spoken.
>
> what's wrong?
>
> i've allso an older version, but that's a portable version.
>
> when i open this version the results will be spoken allso the links.
>
> what can i do to solve this problem and are there more people who has
> problems like this in chrome?
>
> i was just glad that i could use chrome in nvda.
>
> the same problem comes up when i open youtube after i have search results.
>
> i don't understand why this is changed.
>
> before chrome was working perfectly!
>
> thanks in advance.
>
> paul otter
>
>
>
>
>






Re: setting up imap email

Gene
 

In programs, the gear icon very often is identified by screen-readers as tools. 
Evidently, on the Google page, you would look for some other name.  I don't know what that name might be but it might imply that you can get to settings from there.  Maybe something like options or preferences or something else that implies a relevant category. 
 
I've never set Google up to be used with an external account in part because, though I have an account, I've almost never used GMail. 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 8:53 AM
Subject: [nvda] setting up imap email

Hi all you Google users,

 

I cannot find the “gear” icon on the Google page for setting up a gmail account.

 

Here is the instruction that I am following:

Step 1: Enable IMAP

You can retrieve your Gmail messages with a client or device that supports IMAP, like Microsoft Outlook or Apple Mail.

1. Sign in to Gmail.

2. Click the gear in the top right .

3. Select Settings.

4. Click Forwarding and POP/IMAP.

5. Select Enable IMAP.

6. Click Save Changes.

Note: This setting is not available while using the basic HTML view of Gmail. To enable IMAP, use the standard view instead.

 

Wonderfully clear instructions! However, I am blocked at step 1! I cannot find the “gear” icon on my screen. Can anyone tell me how to do it without sighted assistance, please?

 

All the best

 

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Re: setting up imap email

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That icon is in fact called something else in its accessible text I think.
Basically from memory, you need to use the standard view and set up the system from there.
I did it for both pop3 and Imap some time back. What was unclear to me was exactly why one would need to switch this on in the first place.
Still Google works in mysterious ways who are we to judge. (cynical smile)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Cearbhall O'Meadhra" <cearbhall.omeadhra@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 2:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] setting up imap email


Hi all you Google users,



I cannot find the "gear" icon on the Google page for setting up a gmail
account.



Here is the instruction that I am following:

Step 1: Enable IMAP

You can retrieve your Gmail messages with a client or device that supports
IMAP, like Microsoft Outlook or Apple Mail.

1. Sign in to Gmail.

2. Click the gear in the top right .

3. Select Settings.

4. Click Forwarding and POP/IMAP.

5. Select Enable IMAP.

6. Click Save Changes.

Note: This setting is not available while using the basic HTML view of
Gmail. To enable IMAP, use the standard view instead.



Wonderfully clear instructions! However, I am blocked at step 1! I cannot
find the "gear" icon on my screen. Can anyone tell me how to do it without
sighted assistance, please?



All the best



Cearbhall

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Bit Defender?

Roger Stewart
 

I'm just wondering if anyone has had any experience with a program called Bit Defender and how accessible is it particularly with NVDA?


Thanks.


Roger


Re: problem with the newest chrome

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well from that error it looks as if nvda is setting the length of the text to less than 1, by setting its end point before its start and assumedly this will mean no text will be seen there. How very peculiar..

I don't use Chrome but can say that in Firefox 48 the bugs I mentioned in that program seem to have been resolved again. The pre releases had some issues about the navigational sounds add on and some other minor irritations.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome


   hello, it is the first option you mention.

when i do a google search i don't see the links.

and the most strange in this situation is, i see the rule that you find under the link, i can read it.

when i go with the arrow up, therw where i supose the link, i press enter, the link is working as usual!

so, the link is there, only not read by nvda.

i don't know what that is.

Â


cheers
paul otter


Op 19-8-2016 om 13:01 schreef Gene:

Chrome automatically updates itself and the user can't stop it. Use Firefox for sites where you have this problem. It isn't clear to me what the problem is. Is the problem that when you do a search such as a google search, you don't see the links in the results displayed as clickable links or you don't see the address of the sites in the results showing where the result leads?
Â
Gene
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Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 3:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome


One of the things I soon learned was to keep archives of older versions of
software so one could back track if things got broken. For the moment all
you can do is tell The Chrome team and nvda team about any issues and back
track to the earlier viersion until its been fixed.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome


> hello all,
>
> i've a problem with the newest version of chrome.
>
> when i type a search string for example nvda the results will coming
up,
> but the link will not be spoken.
>
> what's wrong?
>
> i've allso an older version, but that's a portable version.
>
> when i open this version the results will be spoken allso the links.
>
> what can i do to solve this problem and are there more people who has
> problems like this in chrome?
>
> i was just glad that i could use chrome in nvda.
>
> the same problem comes up when i open youtube after i have search
results.
>
> i don't understand why this is changed.
>
> before chrome was working perfectly!
>
> thanks in advance.
>
> paul otter
>
>
>
>
>







Re: problem with the newest chrome

P. Otter
 

i've the newest version of chrome.

the strange is, i've allso an old portable version ant the links will be displayed as usual.

there, in the old version the links are read by nvda.

in the newest version not at all!

so i think it is a problem of chrome, but other people in this list told that they had no problem at all in the newest version of chrome.

rather strange!

cheers

paul otter



Op 19-8-2016 om 16:10 schreef Kevin Chao:

1. What version of Chrome? 2. Please use "report an issue...'" in help menu.

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 6:06 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Then these problems may be Chrome problems.  I won't comment further and I'll wait to see what others may say. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

The log is the NVDA log. In the nvda-translations list is a message about chrome, http://www.freelists.org/post/nvda-translations/Google-Chrome-support-is-broken-20163-should-alert-users-on-changest2t.

Artin Dekker
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Op 19-8-2016 om 13:11 schreef Gene:
Then this is evidently not an accessibility issue and I suspect it isn't a general problem with Chrome.  A sighted person probably wouldn't see links either and an error message is generated by Chrome, something that would not happen if this were an accessibility issue.  Try uninstalling and reinstalling Chrome.  You may have gotten a bad update. 
 
Also, since only one other person has reported an unclear problem with Chrome and certain links, that further supports the possibility that this is not a general Chrome problem.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

If I have a link in Chrome NVDA says blank. This happens at every link, not only in search results. The log is:

ERROR - XMLFormatting.XMLTextParser.parse (12:46:30):
XML: <control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5026" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="0" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="22" _childcontrolcount="22" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" IAccessible2::attribute_explicit-name="true" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="#document" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="15" IAccessible::state_1048576="1" IAccessible::state_64="1" keyboardShortcut="" name="Microsoft – Official Home Page" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5027" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="0" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="5" _childcontrolcount="4" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="22" IAccessible2::attribute_class="shell-header shell-responsive  global-sticky mobile-view" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_id="shell-header" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="div" IAccessible2::attribute_xml-roles="banner" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="1043" keyboardShortcut="" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5031" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="1" _childcontrolcount="1" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="5" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_id="srv_shellHeaderMicrosoftLogo" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="a" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="30" IAccessible::state_1048576="1" IAccessible::state_4194304="1" IAccessible::state_8388608="1" IAccessibleAction_Gaan naar="0" description="Microsoft" keyboardShortcut="" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5035" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="1" _childcontrolcount="0" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_explicit-name="true" IAccessible2::attribute_src="https://assets.onestore.ms/cdnfiles/onestorerolling-1608-09000/shell/v3/images/logo/microsoft.png" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="img" IAccessible2::attribute_xml-roles="img" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="40" IAccessible::state_4194304="1" IAccessible::state_64="1" IAccessibleAction_klikken="0" keyboardShortcut="" ><text _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="0" isHidden="0" _childcount="0" _childcontrolcount="0" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" >Microsoft</text></control></control></control></control>
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "XMLFormatting.pyc", line 60, in parse
ExpatError: not well-formed (invalid token): line 1, column 1516


Artin Dekker
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Op 19-8-2016 om 12:01 schreef Gene:
Chrome automatically updates itself and the user can't stop it.  Use Firefox for sites where you have this problem.  It isn't clear to me what the problem is.  Is the problem that when you do a search such as a google search, you don't see the links in the results displayed as clickable links or you don't see the address of the sites in the results showing where the result leads?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

One of the things I soon learned was to keep archives of older versions of
software so one could back track if things got broken. For the moment all
you can do is tell  The Chrome team and nvda team about any issues and  back
track to the earlier viersion until its been fixed.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome


> hello all,
>
> i've a problem with the newest version of chrome.
>
> when i type a search string for example nvda the results will coming up,
> but the link will not be spoken.
>
> what's wrong?
>
> i've allso an older version, but that's a portable version.
>
> when i open this version the results will be spoken allso the links.
>
> what can i do to solve this problem and are there more people who has
> problems like this in chrome?
>
> i was just glad that i could use chrome in nvda.
>
> the same problem comes up when i open youtube after i have search results.
>
> i don't understand why this is changed.
>
> before chrome was working perfectly!
>
> thanks in advance.
>
> paul otter
>
>
>
>
>







Re: problem with the newest chrome

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So its setting the end before the start, not a good move that!
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome


If I have a link in Chrome NVDA says blank. This happens at every link,
not only in search results. The log is:

ERROR - XMLFormatting.XMLTextParser.parse (12:46:30):
XML: <control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924"
controlIdentifier_ID="-5026" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="0" isBlock="1"
isHidden="0" _childcount="22" _childcontrolcount="22" _indexInParent="0"
_parentChildCount="1" IAccessible2::attribute_explicit-name="true"
IAccessible2::attribute_tag="#document" IAccessible2::state_1024="1"
IAccessible::role="15" IAccessible::state_1048576="1"
IAccessible::state_64="1" keyboardShortcut="" name="Microsoft – Official
Home Page" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924"
controlIdentifier_ID="-5027" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="0" isBlock="1"
isHidden="0" _childcount="5" _childcontrolcount="4" _indexInParent="0"
_parentChildCount="22" IAccessible2::attribute_class="shell-header
shell-responsive global-sticky mobile-view"
IAccessible2::attribute_display="block"
IAccessible2::attribute_id="shell-header"
IAccessible2::attribute_tag="div"
IAccessible2::attribute_xml-roles="banner" IAccessible2::state_1024="1"
IAccessible::role="1043" keyboardShortcut="" ><control
controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5031"
_startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="1"
_childcontrolcount="1" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="5"
IAccessible2::attribute_display="block"
IAccessible2::attribute_id="srv_shellHeaderMicrosoftLogo"
IAccessible2::attribute_tag="a" IAccessible2::state_1024="1"
IAccessible::role="30" IAccessible::state_1048576="1"
IAccessible::state_4194304="1" IAccessible::state_8388608="1"
IAccessibleAction_Gaan naar="0" description="Microsoft"
keyboardShortcut="" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924"
controlIdentifier_ID="-5035" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="1"
isHidden="0" _childcount="1" _childcontrolcount="0" _indexInParent="0"
_parentChildCount="1" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block"
IAccessible2::attribute_explicit-name="true"
IAccessible2::attribute_src="https://assets.onestore.ms/cdnfiles/onestorerolling-1608-09000/shell/v3/images/logo/microsoft.png"
IAccessible2::attribute_tag="img"
IAccessible2::attribute_xml-roles="img" IAccessible2::state_1024="1"
IAccessible::role="40" IAccessible::state_4194304="1"
IAccessible::state_64="1" IAccessibleAction_klikken="0"
keyboardShortcut="" ><text _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="0"
isHidden="0" _childcount="0" _childcontrolcount="0" _indexInParent="0"
_parentChildCount="1"
Microsoft</text></control></control></control></control>
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "XMLFormatting.pyc", line 60, in parse
ExpatError: not well-formed (invalid token): line 1, column 1516


Artin Dekker
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Op 19-8-2016 om 12:01 schreef Gene:
Chrome automatically updates itself and the user can't stop it. Use
Firefox for sites where you have this problem. It isn't clear to me
what the problem is. Is the problem that when you do a search such as
a google search, you don't see the links in the results displayed as
clickable links or you don't see the address of the sites in the
results showing where the result leads?
Gene
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*Sent:* Friday, August 19, 2016 3:31 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

One of the things I soon learned was to keep archives of older
versions of
software so one could back track if things got broken. For the moment all
you can do is tell The Chrome team and nvda team about any issues
and back
track to the earlier viersion until its been fixed.
Brian

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From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@... <mailto:pam.otter@...>>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome


hello all,

i've a problem with the newest version of chrome.

when i type a search string for example nvda the results will coming
up,
but the link will not be spoken.

what's wrong?

i've allso an older version, but that's a portable version.

when i open this version the results will be spoken allso the links.

what can i do to solve this problem and are there more people who has
problems like this in chrome?

i was just glad that i could use chrome in nvda.

the same problem comes up when i open youtube after i have search
results.

i don't understand why this is changed.

before chrome was working perfectly!

thanks in advance.

paul otter







Re: problem with the newest chrome

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I seem to recall, that Chrome has some versions which do not update themselves. At any rate it should be possible to stop it. I did this for Drive for a while till they fixed that log in focus issue a few months back, but have forgotten how I did it now.
I steer clear of software that updates itself for no reason as it could upset data limits and costs via mobile dongles if this is allowed to occur right across the board. Certainly there seems to be a way to stop this in Windows 10 now by invoking that you are connected by a metered connection.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome


Chrome automatically updates itself and the user can't stop it. Use Firefox for sites where you have this problem. It isn't clear to me what the problem is. Is the problem that when you do a search such as a google search, you don't see the links in the results displayed as clickable links or you don't see the address of the sites in the results showing where the result leads?

Gene
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Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 3:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome


One of the things I soon learned was to keep archives of older versions of
software so one could back track if things got broken. For the moment all
you can do is tell The Chrome team and nvda team about any issues and back
track to the earlier viersion until its been fixed.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome


hello all,

i've a problem with the newest version of chrome.

when i type a search string for example nvda the results will coming up,
but the link will not be spoken.

what's wrong?

i've allso an older version, but that's a portable version.

when i open this version the results will be spoken allso the links.

what can i do to solve this problem and are there more people who has
problems like this in chrome?

i was just glad that i could use chrome in nvda.

the same problem comes up when i open youtube after i have search results.

i don't understand why this is changed.

before chrome was working perfectly!

thanks in advance.

paul otter





Re: problem with the newest chrome

Kevin Chao
 

1. What version of Chrome?
2. Please use "report an issue...'" in help menu.


On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 6:06 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Then these problems may be Chrome problems.  I won't comment further and I'll wait to see what others may say. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

The log is the NVDA log. In the nvda-translations list is a message about chrome, http://www.freelists.org/post/nvda-translations/Google-Chrome-support-is-broken-20163-should-alert-users-on-changest2t.

Artin Dekker
Beheerder win10-nl
https://win10-nl.groups.io/g/algemeen
Op 19-8-2016 om 13:11 schreef Gene:
Then this is evidently not an accessibility issue and I suspect it isn't a general problem with Chrome.  A sighted person probably wouldn't see links either and an error message is generated by Chrome, something that would not happen if this were an accessibility issue.  Try uninstalling and reinstalling Chrome.  You may have gotten a bad update. 
 
Also, since only one other person has reported an unclear problem with Chrome and certain links, that further supports the possibility that this is not a general Chrome problem.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

If I have a link in Chrome NVDA says blank. This happens at every link, not only in search results. The log is:

ERROR - XMLFormatting.XMLTextParser.parse (12:46:30):
XML: <control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5026" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="0" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="22" _childcontrolcount="22" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" IAccessible2::attribute_explicit-name="true" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="#document" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="15" IAccessible::state_1048576="1" IAccessible::state_64="1" keyboardShortcut="" name="Microsoft – Official Home Page" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5027" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="0" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="5" _childcontrolcount="4" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="22" IAccessible2::attribute_class="shell-header shell-responsive  global-sticky mobile-view" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_id="shell-header" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="div" IAccessible2::attribute_xml-roles="banner" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="1043" keyboardShortcut="" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5031" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="1" _childcontrolcount="1" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="5" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_id="srv_shellHeaderMicrosoftLogo" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="a" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="30" IAccessible::state_1048576="1" IAccessible::state_4194304="1" IAccessible::state_8388608="1" IAccessibleAction_Gaan naar="0" description="Microsoft" keyboardShortcut="" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5035" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="1" _childcontrolcount="0" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_explicit-name="true" IAccessible2::attribute_src="https://assets.onestore.ms/cdnfiles/onestorerolling-1608-09000/shell/v3/images/logo/microsoft.png" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="img" IAccessible2::attribute_xml-roles="img" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="40" IAccessible::state_4194304="1" IAccessible::state_64="1" IAccessibleAction_klikken="0" keyboardShortcut="" ><text _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="0" isHidden="0" _childcount="0" _childcontrolcount="0" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" >Microsoft</text></control></control></control></control>
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "XMLFormatting.pyc", line 60, in parse
ExpatError: not well-formed (invalid token): line 1, column 1516


Artin Dekker
Beheerder win10-nl
https://win10-nl.groups.io/g/algemeen
Op 19-8-2016 om 12:01 schreef Gene:
Chrome automatically updates itself and the user can't stop it.  Use Firefox for sites where you have this problem.  It isn't clear to me what the problem is.  Is the problem that when you do a search such as a google search, you don't see the links in the results displayed as clickable links or you don't see the address of the sites in the results showing where the result leads?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

One of the things I soon learned was to keep archives of older versions of
software so one could back track if things got broken. For the moment all
you can do is tell  The Chrome team and nvda team about any issues and  back
track to the earlier viersion until its been fixed.
 Brian

bglists@...
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----- Original Message -----
From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome


> hello all,
>
> i've a problem with the newest version of chrome.
>
> when i type a search string for example nvda the results will coming up,
> but the link will not be spoken.
>
> what's wrong?
>
> i've allso an older version, but that's a portable version.
>
> when i open this version the results will be spoken allso the links.
>
> what can i do to solve this problem and are there more people who has
> problems like this in chrome?
>
> i was just glad that i could use chrome in nvda.
>
> the same problem comes up when i open youtube after i have search results.
>
> i don't understand why this is changed.
>
> before chrome was working perfectly!
>
> thanks in advance.
>
> paul otter
>
>
>
>
>






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Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

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I cannot find the “gear” icon on the Google page for setting up a gmail account.

 

Here is the instruction that I am following:

Step 1: Enable IMAP

You can retrieve your Gmail messages with a client or device that supports IMAP, like Microsoft Outlook or Apple Mail.

1. Sign in to Gmail.

2. Click the gear in the top right .

3. Select Settings.

4. Click Forwarding and POP/IMAP.

5. Select Enable IMAP.

6. Click Save Changes.

Note: This setting is not available while using the basic HTML view of Gmail. To enable IMAP, use the standard view instead.

 

Wonderfully clear instructions! However, I am blocked at step 1! I cannot find the “gear” icon on my screen. Can anyone tell me how to do it without sighted assistance, please?

 

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Re: problem with the newest chrome

Gene
 

Then these problems may be Chrome problems.  I won't comment further and I'll wait to see what others may say. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

The log is the NVDA log. In the nvda-translations list is a message about chrome, http://www.freelists.org/post/nvda-translations/Google-Chrome-support-is-broken-20163-should-alert-users-on-changest2t.

Artin Dekker
Beheerder win10-nl
https://win10-nl.groups.io/g/algemeen
Op 19-8-2016 om 13:11 schreef Gene:
Then this is evidently not an accessibility issue and I suspect it isn't a general problem with Chrome.  A sighted person probably wouldn't see links either and an error message is generated by Chrome, something that would not happen if this were an accessibility issue.  Try uninstalling and reinstalling Chrome.  You may have gotten a bad update. 
 
Also, since only one other person has reported an unclear problem with Chrome and certain links, that further supports the possibility that this is not a general Chrome problem.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

If I have a link in Chrome NVDA says blank. This happens at every link, not only in search results. The log is:

ERROR - XMLFormatting.XMLTextParser.parse (12:46:30):
XML: <control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5026" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="0" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="22" _childcontrolcount="22" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" IAccessible2::attribute_explicit-name="true" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="#document" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="15" IAccessible::state_1048576="1" IAccessible::state_64="1" keyboardShortcut="" name="Microsoft – Official Home Page" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5027" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="0" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="5" _childcontrolcount="4" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="22" IAccessible2::attribute_class="shell-header shell-responsive  global-sticky mobile-view" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_id="shell-header" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="div" IAccessible2::attribute_xml-roles="banner" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="1043" keyboardShortcut="" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5031" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="1" _childcontrolcount="1" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="5" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_id="srv_shellHeaderMicrosoftLogo" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="a" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="30" IAccessible::state_1048576="1" IAccessible::state_4194304="1" IAccessible::state_8388608="1" IAccessibleAction_Gaan naar="0" description="Microsoft" keyboardShortcut="" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5035" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="1" _childcontrolcount="0" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_explicit-name="true" IAccessible2::attribute_src="https://assets.onestore.ms/cdnfiles/onestorerolling-1608-09000/shell/v3/images/logo/microsoft.png" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="img" IAccessible2::attribute_xml-roles="img" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="40" IAccessible::state_4194304="1" IAccessible::state_64="1" IAccessibleAction_klikken="0" keyboardShortcut="" ><text _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="0" isHidden="0" _childcount="0" _childcontrolcount="0" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" >Microsoft</text></control></control></control></control>
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "XMLFormatting.pyc", line 60, in parse
ExpatError: not well-formed (invalid token): line 1, column 1516


Artin Dekker
Beheerder win10-nl
https://win10-nl.groups.io/g/algemeen
Op 19-8-2016 om 12:01 schreef Gene:
Chrome automatically updates itself and the user can't stop it.  Use Firefox for sites where you have this problem.  It isn't clear to me what the problem is.  Is the problem that when you do a search such as a google search, you don't see the links in the results displayed as clickable links or you don't see the address of the sites in the results showing where the result leads?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

One of the things I soon learned was to keep archives of older versions of
software so one could back track if things got broken. For the moment all
you can do is tell  The Chrome team and nvda team about any issues and  back
track to the earlier viersion until its been fixed.
 Brian

bglists@...
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----- Original Message -----
From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome


> hello all,
>
> i've a problem with the newest version of chrome.
>
> when i type a search string for example nvda the results will coming up,
> but the link will not be spoken.
>
> what's wrong?
>
> i've allso an older version, but that's a portable version.
>
> when i open this version the results will be spoken allso the links.
>
> what can i do to solve this problem and are there more people who has
> problems like this in chrome?
>
> i was just glad that i could use chrome in nvda.
>
> the same problem comes up when i open youtube after i have search results.
>
> i don't understand why this is changed.
>
> before chrome was working perfectly!
>
> thanks in advance.
>
> paul otter
>
>
>
>
>






Re: problem with the newest chrome

 

The log is the NVDA log. In the nvda-translations list is a message about chrome, http://www.freelists.org/post/nvda-translations/Google-Chrome-support-is-broken-20163-should-alert-users-on-changest2t.

Artin Dekker
Beheerder win10-nl
https://win10-nl.groups.io/g/algemeen
Op 19-8-2016 om 13:11 schreef Gene:

Then this is evidently not an accessibility issue and I suspect it isn't a general problem with Chrome.  A sighted person probably wouldn't see links either and an error message is generated by Chrome, something that would not happen if this were an accessibility issue.  Try uninstalling and reinstalling Chrome.  You may have gotten a bad update. 
 
Also, since only one other person has reported an unclear problem with Chrome and certain links, that further supports the possibility that this is not a general Chrome problem.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

If I have a link in Chrome NVDA says blank. This happens at every link, not only in search results. The log is:

ERROR - XMLFormatting.XMLTextParser.parse (12:46:30):
XML: <control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5026" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="0" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="22" _childcontrolcount="22" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" IAccessible2::attribute_explicit-name="true" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="#document" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="15" IAccessible::state_1048576="1" IAccessible::state_64="1" keyboardShortcut="" name="Microsoft – Official Home Page" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5027" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="0" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="5" _childcontrolcount="4" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="22" IAccessible2::attribute_class="shell-header shell-responsive  global-sticky mobile-view" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_id="shell-header" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="div" IAccessible2::attribute_xml-roles="banner" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="1043" keyboardShortcut="" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5031" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="1" _childcontrolcount="1" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="5" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_id="srv_shellHeaderMicrosoftLogo" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="a" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="30" IAccessible::state_1048576="1" IAccessible::state_4194304="1" IAccessible::state_8388608="1" IAccessibleAction_Gaan naar="0" description="Microsoft" keyboardShortcut="" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5035" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="1" _childcontrolcount="0" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_explicit-name="true" IAccessible2::attribute_src="https://assets.onestore.ms/cdnfiles/onestorerolling-1608-09000/shell/v3/images/logo/microsoft.png" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="img" IAccessible2::attribute_xml-roles="img" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="40" IAccessible::state_4194304="1" IAccessible::state_64="1" IAccessibleAction_klikken="0" keyboardShortcut="" ><text _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="0" isHidden="0" _childcount="0" _childcontrolcount="0" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" >Microsoft</text></control></control></control></control>
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "XMLFormatting.pyc", line 60, in parse
ExpatError: not well-formed (invalid token): line 1, column 1516


Artin Dekker
Beheerder win10-nl
https://win10-nl.groups.io/g/algemeen
Op 19-8-2016 om 12:01 schreef Gene:
Chrome automatically updates itself and the user can't stop it.  Use Firefox for sites where you have this problem.  It isn't clear to me what the problem is.  Is the problem that when you do a search such as a google search, you don't see the links in the results displayed as clickable links or you don't see the address of the sites in the results showing where the result leads?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

One of the things I soon learned was to keep archives of older versions of
software so one could back track if things got broken. For the moment all
you can do is tell  The Chrome team and nvda team about any issues and  back
track to the earlier viersion until its been fixed.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome


> hello all,
>
> i've a problem with the newest version of chrome.
>
> when i type a search string for example nvda the results will coming up,
> but the link will not be spoken.
>
> what's wrong?
>
> i've allso an older version, but that's a portable version.
>
> when i open this version the results will be spoken allso the links.
>
> what can i do to solve this problem and are there more people who has
> problems like this in chrome?
>
> i was just glad that i could use chrome in nvda.
>
> the same problem comes up when i open youtube after i have search results.
>
> i don't understand why this is changed.
>
> before chrome was working perfectly!
>
> thanks in advance.
>
> paul otter
>
>
>
>
>






Re: problem with the newest chrome

P. Otter
 

hi, in this list i read difference, one has the same problms as me, other tells me he has no problem at all with chrome.

very strange.

i've allready chrome reinstalled with the same problem as result.

it's a pitty!

cheers

paul otter



Op 19-8-2016 om 14:11 schreef Gene:

Then this is evidently not an accessibility issue and I suspect it isn't a general problem with Chrome.  A sighted person probably wouldn't see links either and an error message is generated by Chrome, something that would not happen if this were an accessibility issue.  Try uninstalling and reinstalling Chrome.  You may have gotten a bad update. 
 
Also, since only one other person has reported an unclear problem with Chrome and certain links, that further supports the possibility that this is not a general Chrome problem.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

If I have a link in Chrome NVDA says blank. This happens at every link, not only in search results. The log is:

ERROR - XMLFormatting.XMLTextParser.parse (12:46:30):
XML: <control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5026" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="0" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="22" _childcontrolcount="22" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" IAccessible2::attribute_explicit-name="true" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="#document" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="15" IAccessible::state_1048576="1" IAccessible::state_64="1" keyboardShortcut="" name="Microsoft – Official Home Page" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5027" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="0" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="5" _childcontrolcount="4" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="22" IAccessible2::attribute_class="shell-header shell-responsive  global-sticky mobile-view" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_id="shell-header" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="div" IAccessible2::attribute_xml-roles="banner" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="1043" keyboardShortcut="" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5031" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="1" _childcontrolcount="1" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="5" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_id="srv_shellHeaderMicrosoftLogo" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="a" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="30" IAccessible::state_1048576="1" IAccessible::state_4194304="1" IAccessible::state_8388608="1" IAccessibleAction_Gaan naar="0" description="Microsoft" keyboardShortcut="" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5035" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="1" _childcontrolcount="0" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_explicit-name="true" IAccessible2::attribute_src="https://assets.onestore.ms/cdnfiles/onestorerolling-1608-09000/shell/v3/images/logo/microsoft.png" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="img" IAccessible2::attribute_xml-roles="img" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="40" IAccessible::state_4194304="1" IAccessible::state_64="1" IAccessibleAction_klikken="0" keyboardShortcut="" ><text _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="0" isHidden="0" _childcount="0" _childcontrolcount="0" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" >Microsoft</text></control></control></control></control>
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "XMLFormatting.pyc", line 60, in parse
ExpatError: not well-formed (invalid token): line 1, column 1516


Artin Dekker
Beheerder win10-nl
https://win10-nl.groups.io/g/algemeen
Op 19-8-2016 om 12:01 schreef Gene:
Chrome automatically updates itself and the user can't stop it.  Use Firefox for sites where you have this problem.  It isn't clear to me what the problem is.  Is the problem that when you do a search such as a google search, you don't see the links in the results displayed as clickable links or you don't see the address of the sites in the results showing where the result leads?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

One of the things I soon learned was to keep archives of older versions of
software so one could back track if things got broken. For the moment all
you can do is tell  The Chrome team and nvda team about any issues and  back
track to the earlier viersion until its been fixed.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome


> hello all,
>
> i've a problem with the newest version of chrome.
>
> when i type a search string for example nvda the results will coming up,
> but the link will not be spoken.
>
> what's wrong?
>
> i've allso an older version, but that's a portable version.
>
> when i open this version the results will be spoken allso the links.
>
> what can i do to solve this problem and are there more people who has
> problems like this in chrome?
>
> i was just glad that i could use chrome in nvda.
>
> the same problem comes up when i open youtube after i have search results.
>
> i don't understand why this is changed.
>
> before chrome was working perfectly!
>
> thanks in advance.
>
> paul otter
>
>
>
>
>






Re: problem with the newest chrome

Gene
 

please clarify.  Are you saying no link on Google results pages or no link on any pages.  Also, you don't report an error message as the other person does.  We don't know when this error message occurs.  What action, if any, has been taken that causes it. 
 
Based on your previous messages, I thought these were two separate problems.  they may be.  But again, it is not clear if your problem just occurs on Google results pages or in general.  Clarity and details are important when trying to understand and solve problems.
 
I suspect these problems are two specifically technical to be addressed effectively on this list.  If reinstalling Chrome doesn't help, you might get better help in some sort of Chrome user forum.  Perhaps there is one on the Chrome site or some other place such as Bleeping computer. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: P. Otter
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 7:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

it is right what you write!

no link will be displayed in chrome only in the own settings of chrome!

paul otter




Op 19-8-2016 om 13:50 schreef Artin Dekker:

If I have a link in Chrome NVDA says blank. This happens at every link, not only in search results. The log is:

ERROR - XMLFormatting.XMLTextParser.parse (12:46:30):
XML: <control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5026" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="0" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="22" _childcontrolcount="22" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" IAccessible2::attribute_explicit-name="true" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="#document" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="15" IAccessible::state_1048576="1" IAccessible::state_64="1" keyboardShortcut="" name="Microsoft – Official Home Page" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5027" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="0" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="5" _childcontrolcount="4" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="22" IAccessible2::attribute_class="shell-header shell-responsive  global-sticky mobile-view" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_id="shell-header" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="div" IAccessible2::attribute_xml-roles="banner" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="1043" keyboardShortcut="" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5031" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="1" _childcontrolcount="1" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="5" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_id="srv_shellHeaderMicrosoftLogo" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="a" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="30" IAccessible::state_1048576="1" IAccessible::state_4194304="1" IAccessible::state_8388608="1" IAccessibleAction_Gaan naar="0" description="Microsoft" keyboardShortcut="" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5035" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="1" _childcontrolcount="0" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_explicit-name="true" IAccessible2::attribute_src="https://assets.onestore.ms/cdnfiles/onestorerolling-1608-09000/shell/v3/images/logo/microsoft.png" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="img" IAccessible2::attribute_xml-roles="img" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="40" IAccessible::state_4194304="1" IAccessible::state_64="1" IAccessibleAction_klikken="0" keyboardShortcut="" ><text _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="0" isHidden="0" _childcount="0" _childcontrolcount="0" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" >Microsoft</text></control></control></control></control>
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "XMLFormatting.pyc", line 60, in parse
ExpatError: not well-formed (invalid token): line 1, column 1516


Artin Dekker
Beheerder win10-nl
https://win10-nl.groups.io/g/algemeen
Op 19-8-2016 om 12:01 schreef Gene:
Chrome automatically updates itself and the user can't stop it.  Use Firefox for sites where you have this problem.  It isn't clear to me what the problem is.  Is the problem that when you do a search such as a google search, you don't see the links in the results displayed as clickable links or you don't see the address of the sites in the results showing where the result leads?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

One of the things I soon learned was to keep archives of older versions of
software so one could back track if things got broken. For the moment all
you can do is tell  The Chrome team and nvda team about any issues and  back
track to the earlier viersion until its been fixed.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome


> hello all,
>
> i've a problem with the newest version of chrome.
>
> when i type a search string for example nvda the results will coming up,
> but the link will not be spoken.
>
> what's wrong?
>
> i've allso an older version, but that's a portable version.
>
> when i open this version the results will be spoken allso the links.
>
> what can i do to solve this problem and are there more people who has
> problems like this in chrome?
>
> i was just glad that i could use chrome in nvda.
>
> the same problem comes up when i open youtube after i have search results.
>
> i don't understand why this is changed.
>
> before chrome was working perfectly!
>
> thanks in advance.
>
> paul otter
>
>
>
>
>






Re: problem with the newest chrome

Gene
 

That is a different problem than the other person is having and this is an example of why, when people report problems, details should be given.  if both people had provided details, the two problems could have been addressed as different problems from the outset and more specific help might have been given for each problem. 
 
I don't know what is causing the problem of links not being read but still functioning.  you could try reinstalling Chrome.  I have no idea if that would help. 
 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: P. Otter
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

    hello, it is the first option you mention.

when i do a google search i don't see the links.

and the most strange in this situation is, i see the rule that you find under the link, i can read it.

when i go with the arrow up, therw where i supose the link, i press enter, the link is working as usual!

so, the link is there, only not read by nvda.

i don't know what that is.


cheers
paul otter

Op 19-8-2016 om 13:01 schreef Gene:
Chrome automatically updates itself and the user can't stop it.  Use Firefox for sites where you have this problem.  It isn't clear to me what the problem is.  Is the problem that when you do a search such as a google search, you don't see the links in the results displayed as clickable links or you don't see the address of the sites in the results showing where the result leads?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

One of the things I soon learned was to keep archives of older versions of
software so one could back track if things got broken. For the moment all
you can do is tell  The Chrome team and nvda team about any issues and  back
track to the earlier viersion until its been fixed.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome


> hello all,
>
> i've a problem with the newest version of chrome.
>
> when i type a search string for example nvda the results will coming up,
> but the link will not be spoken.
>
> what's wrong?
>
> i've allso an older version, but that's a portable version.
>
> when i open this version the results will be spoken allso the links.
>
> what can i do to solve this problem and are there more people who has
> problems like this in chrome?
>
> i was just glad that i could use chrome in nvda.
>
> the same problem comes up when i open youtube after i have search results.
>
> i don't understand why this is changed.
>
> before chrome was working perfectly!
>
> thanks in advance.
>
> paul otter
>
>
>
>
>





Re: problem with the newest chrome

Gene
 

Then this is evidently not an accessibility issue and I suspect it isn't a general problem with Chrome.  A sighted person probably wouldn't see links either and an error message is generated by Chrome, something that would not happen if this were an accessibility issue.  Try uninstalling and reinstalling Chrome.  You may have gotten a bad update. 
 
Also, since only one other person has reported an unclear problem with Chrome and certain links, that further supports the possibility that this is not a general Chrome problem.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

If I have a link in Chrome NVDA says blank. This happens at every link, not only in search results. The log is:

ERROR - XMLFormatting.XMLTextParser.parse (12:46:30):
XML: <control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5026" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="0" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="22" _childcontrolcount="22" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" IAccessible2::attribute_explicit-name="true" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="#document" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="15" IAccessible::state_1048576="1" IAccessible::state_64="1" keyboardShortcut="" name="Microsoft – Official Home Page" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5027" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="0" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="5" _childcontrolcount="4" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="22" IAccessible2::attribute_class="shell-header shell-responsive  global-sticky mobile-view" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_id="shell-header" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="div" IAccessible2::attribute_xml-roles="banner" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="1043" keyboardShortcut="" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5031" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="1" _childcontrolcount="1" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="5" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_id="srv_shellHeaderMicrosoftLogo" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="a" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="30" IAccessible::state_1048576="1" IAccessible::state_4194304="1" IAccessible::state_8388608="1" IAccessibleAction_Gaan naar="0" description="Microsoft" keyboardShortcut="" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5035" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="1" _childcontrolcount="0" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_explicit-name="true" IAccessible2::attribute_src="https://assets.onestore.ms/cdnfiles/onestorerolling-1608-09000/shell/v3/images/logo/microsoft.png" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="img" IAccessible2::attribute_xml-roles="img" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="40" IAccessible::state_4194304="1" IAccessible::state_64="1" IAccessibleAction_klikken="0" keyboardShortcut="" ><text _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="0" isHidden="0" _childcount="0" _childcontrolcount="0" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" >Microsoft</text></control></control></control></control>
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "XMLFormatting.pyc", line 60, in parse
ExpatError: not well-formed (invalid token): line 1, column 1516


Artin Dekker
Beheerder win10-nl
https://win10-nl.groups.io/g/algemeen
Op 19-8-2016 om 12:01 schreef Gene:
Chrome automatically updates itself and the user can't stop it.  Use Firefox for sites where you have this problem.  It isn't clear to me what the problem is.  Is the problem that when you do a search such as a google search, you don't see the links in the results displayed as clickable links or you don't see the address of the sites in the results showing where the result leads?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

One of the things I soon learned was to keep archives of older versions of
software so one could back track if things got broken. For the moment all
you can do is tell  The Chrome team and nvda team about any issues and  back
track to the earlier viersion until its been fixed.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome


> hello all,
>
> i've a problem with the newest version of chrome.
>
> when i type a search string for example nvda the results will coming up,
> but the link will not be spoken.
>
> what's wrong?
>
> i've allso an older version, but that's a portable version.
>
> when i open this version the results will be spoken allso the links.
>
> what can i do to solve this problem and are there more people who has
> problems like this in chrome?
>
> i was just glad that i could use chrome in nvda.
>
> the same problem comes up when i open youtube after i have search results.
>
> i don't understand why this is changed.
>
> before chrome was working perfectly!
>
> thanks in advance.
>
> paul otter
>
>
>
>
>





Re: problem with the newest chrome

P. Otter
 

it is right what you write!

no link will be displayed in chrome only in the own settings of chrome!

paul otter




Op 19-8-2016 om 13:50 schreef Artin Dekker:

If I have a link in Chrome NVDA says blank. This happens at every link, not only in search results. The log is:

ERROR - XMLFormatting.XMLTextParser.parse (12:46:30):
XML: <control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5026" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="0" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="22" _childcontrolcount="22" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" IAccessible2::attribute_explicit-name="true" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="#document" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="15" IAccessible::state_1048576="1" IAccessible::state_64="1" keyboardShortcut="" name="Microsoft – Official Home Page" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5027" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="0" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="5" _childcontrolcount="4" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="22" IAccessible2::attribute_class="shell-header shell-responsive  global-sticky mobile-view" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_id="shell-header" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="div" IAccessible2::attribute_xml-roles="banner" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="1043" keyboardShortcut="" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5031" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="1" _childcontrolcount="1" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="5" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_id="srv_shellHeaderMicrosoftLogo" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="a" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="30" IAccessible::state_1048576="1" IAccessible::state_4194304="1" IAccessible::state_8388608="1" IAccessibleAction_Gaan naar="0" description="Microsoft" keyboardShortcut="" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5035" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="1" _childcontrolcount="0" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_explicit-name="true" IAccessible2::attribute_src="https://assets.onestore.ms/cdnfiles/onestorerolling-1608-09000/shell/v3/images/logo/microsoft.png" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="img" IAccessible2::attribute_xml-roles="img" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="40" IAccessible::state_4194304="1" IAccessible::state_64="1" IAccessibleAction_klikken="0" keyboardShortcut="" ><text _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="0" isHidden="0" _childcount="0" _childcontrolcount="0" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" >Microsoft</text></control></control></control></control>
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "XMLFormatting.pyc", line 60, in parse
ExpatError: not well-formed (invalid token): line 1, column 1516


Artin Dekker
Beheerder win10-nl
https://win10-nl.groups.io/g/algemeen
Op 19-8-2016 om 12:01 schreef Gene:
Chrome automatically updates itself and the user can't stop it.  Use Firefox for sites where you have this problem.  It isn't clear to me what the problem is.  Is the problem that when you do a search such as a google search, you don't see the links in the results displayed as clickable links or you don't see the address of the sites in the results showing where the result leads?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

One of the things I soon learned was to keep archives of older versions of
software so one could back track if things got broken. For the moment all
you can do is tell  The Chrome team and nvda team about any issues and  back
track to the earlier viersion until its been fixed.
 Brian

bglists@...
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----- Original Message -----
From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome


> hello all,
>
> i've a problem with the newest version of chrome.
>
> when i type a search string for example nvda the results will coming up,
> but the link will not be spoken.
>
> what's wrong?
>
> i've allso an older version, but that's a portable version.
>
> when i open this version the results will be spoken allso the links.
>
> what can i do to solve this problem and are there more people who has
> problems like this in chrome?
>
> i was just glad that i could use chrome in nvda.
>
> the same problem comes up when i open youtube after i have search results.
>
> i don't understand why this is changed.
>
> before chrome was working perfectly!
>
> thanks in advance.
>
> paul otter
>
>
>
>
>






Re: problem with the newest chrome

P. Otter
 

ok, but when you tell me that you have no problem to see the links, i think there is something else wrong.

but i don't know what it is.

when i search on google, there are the results but the links will not be spoken.

but they are stil there.

when i go to a result, i press one time uparrow, there where i know there is the place of the link and i press enter, the link will open as usual.

but i don't hear or read the link it self.

cheers

paul otter



Op 19-8-2016 om 13:40 schreef Gene:

I said you can't stop chrome updating but evidently you can.  If you set UAc to its highest level, you can say no when it asks you to allow Chrome to update.  You will have to do this at some point after you start Chrome, probably every time you start it.  However, it may not be worth the risk.  Some Windows users, particularly of Windows 10 though evidently now and then in earlier versions, have had a problem where the yes button disappears from UAC.  If you set UAC to 100, this the results of the problem are evidently far more serious than if they are set at the default level.  Also, it isn't a good idea to run old versions of browsers for security reasons. 
 
It would be better to use a different browser such as Firefox until this problem is resolved.  And, since it may be that Chrome breaks things in upgrades related to accessibility more than Firefox, using Firefox in general might be preferred.
 
However, I don't know what problem you are describing.  I am using the latest release version of Chrome 52.x, and I have no problem working with or seeing everything in Google searches.  Are you using the nonbeta program or a beta?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

Chrome automatically updates itself and the user can't stop it.  Use Firefox for sites where you have this problem.  It isn't clear to me what the problem is.  Is the problem that when you do a search such as a google search, you don't see the links in the results displayed as clickable links or you don't see the address of the sites in the results showing where the result leads?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

One of the things I soon learned was to keep archives of older versions of
software so one could back track if things got broken. For the moment all
you can do is tell  The Chrome team and nvda team about any issues and  back
track to the earlier viersion until its been fixed.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome


> hello all,
>
> i've a problem with the newest version of chrome.
>
> when i type a search string for example nvda the results will coming up,
> but the link will not be spoken.
>
> what's wrong?
>
> i've allso an older version, but that's a portable version.
>
> when i open this version the results will be spoken allso the links.
>
> what can i do to solve this problem and are there more people who has
> problems like this in chrome?
>
> i was just glad that i could use chrome in nvda.
>
> the same problem comes up when i open youtube after i have search results.
>
> i don't understand why this is changed.
>
> before chrome was working perfectly!
>
> thanks in advance.
>
> paul otter
>
>
>
>
>





Re: problem with the newest chrome

P. Otter
 

    hello, it is the first option you mention.

when i do a google search i don't see the links.

and the most strange in this situation is, i see the rule that you find under the link, i can read it.

when i go with the arrow up, therw where i supose the link, i press enter, the link is working as usual!

so, the link is there, only not read by nvda.

i don't know what that is.

 

cheers
paul otter

Op 19-8-2016 om 13:01 schreef Gene:

Chrome automatically updates itself and the user can't stop it.  Use Firefox for sites where you have this problem.  It isn't clear to me what the problem is.  Is the problem that when you do a search such as a google search, you don't see the links in the results displayed as clickable links or you don't see the address of the sites in the results showing where the result leads?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

One of the things I soon learned was to keep archives of older versions of
software so one could back track if things got broken. For the moment all
you can do is tell  The Chrome team and nvda team about any issues and  back
track to the earlier viersion until its been fixed.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome


> hello all,
>
> i've a problem with the newest version of chrome.
>
> when i type a search string for example nvda the results will coming up,
> but the link will not be spoken.
>
> what's wrong?
>
> i've allso an older version, but that's a portable version.
>
> when i open this version the results will be spoken allso the links.
>
> what can i do to solve this problem and are there more people who has
> problems like this in chrome?
>
> i was just glad that i could use chrome in nvda.
>
> the same problem comes up when i open youtube after i have search results.
>
> i don't understand why this is changed.
>
> before chrome was working perfectly!
>
> thanks in advance.
>
> paul otter
>
>
>
>
>





Re: getting rid of the extra verbage in thunderbird

Life My Way
 

Ok, go into thunderbird then alt v for view, in the firstsubmenu uncheck mail tool bar and quick find this way you can shift tab back to the tree view for your folders.

On 8/19/2016 6:45 AM, Lino Morales wrote:
Yeah I get that every once in a while. Just restart Thunderbird.


On 8/18/2016 11:17 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


When I shift tab from the inbox, I get something that says "filter these messages". Is there a way to disable it and go directly to the treeview?


Thanks in advance for your help.


Rosemarie