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Re: Word "Clickable" - Number of repetitions and what causes it?

Lino Morales
 

I wish I knew this too Brian. One thing that annoys the crap out OF ME are frames. When their frames I hear out of i frame several times. Michael and James really need to correct this. All I want to hear is frame start or end frame.


On 8/19/2016 3:36 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

The following is a question that only the NVDA developers who handle this can answer, but this is as good a place as any to make the inquiry.

Even as a sighted user I find it confusing when I land on something that gets announced as "Clickable, clickable, clickable" when it either is clickable, but all one would have to do is click once, or when it's not clickable at all.  I am also wondering why the phrase "clickable link" gets used for some links while other links don't get the "clickable" designation, and I'm not talking about something that's stippled out.  There seems to be little rhyme or reason to how/when the designation "clickable" gets used and how many times.

As to the multi-clickable announcement, I'll give an example for an object that is not clickable at all for a sighted user.  When I go to the Gmail Settings, General Tab, I eventually can tab myself to the first part of the settings, which is Language.  I will sometimes (and I just now could not replicate even landing there) land on what looks like the label for this group of settings.  It will generally announce "clickable" three times, but there's nothing there that a sighted mouse user can click, and there's no hint as to what might be clickable there.

There are too many buttons and links to mention as I navigate through this page some of which say "clickable" when you land on them and others that do not.  There's got to be a rhyme and reason here, but I cannot easily fathom what it is.  I also think that saying "clickable link" is redundant and, if you have that rare instance where a given link is blocked, it would make more sense to announce that state of oddity than to ever announce that a link that can be clicked is "clickable."
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    




Re: Word "Clickable" - Number of repetitions and what causes it?

jeremy <icu8it2@...>
 

I think the different Google pages are really strange with a screenreader, so NVDA repeating clickable as it does has never really been all that surprising for me. I can't see well enough though to play with the mouse to actually tell if there were multiple items there to click, so your observation kind of explains things. I've often wondered on other pages, if it was announcing clickable at the beginning and end of the item, reason it would say it more than once, but I end up getting annoyed by it so end up turning off that announcement.


On 8/19/2016 2:36 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

The following is a question that only the NVDA developers who handle this can answer, but this is as good a place as any to make the inquiry.

Even as a sighted user I find it confusing when I land on something that gets announced as "Clickable, clickable, clickable" when it either is clickable, but all one would have to do is click once, or when it's not clickable at all.  I am also wondering why the phrase "clickable link" gets used for some links while other links don't get the "clickable" designation, and I'm not talking about something that's stippled out.  There seems to be little rhyme or reason to how/when the designation "clickable" gets used and how many times.

As to the multi-clickable announcement, I'll give an example for an object that is not clickable at all for a sighted user.  When I go to the Gmail Settings, General Tab, I eventually can tab myself to the first part of the settings, which is Language.  I will sometimes (and I just now could not replicate even landing there) land on what looks like the label for this group of settings.  It will generally announce "clickable" three times, but there's nothing there that a sighted mouse user can click, and there's no hint as to what might be clickable there.

There are too many buttons and links to mention as I navigate through this page some of which say "clickable" when you land on them and others that do not.  There's got to be a rhyme and reason here, but I cannot easily fathom what it is.  I also think that saying "clickable link" is redundant and, if you have that rare instance where a given link is blocked, it would make more sense to announce that state of oddity than to ever announce that a link that can be clicked is "clickable."
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    




SSH with the new windows Bash Client?

 

Hello,
Has anyone managed to give the new windows bash client a try yet? I am waiting for my update to install. It is a very functional Ubuntu type system and that means that SSH should work.
If that is the case, no more needing to deal with partly accessible SSH clients, we will be able to use the default windows client!
Thanks,


Re: getting rid of the extra verbage in thunderbird

Kevin Cussick
 

better put than I did thanks.

On 19/08/2016 04:20, Jacob Kruger wrote:
Invoke view menu, activate toolbars sub-menu, and turn off quick filter
bar.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-19 5:17 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


When I shift tab from the inbox, I get something that says "filter
these messages". Is there a way to disable it and go directly to the
treeview?


Thanks in advance for your help.


Rosemarie







Re: getting rid of the extra verbage in thunderbird

Kevin Cussick
 

hit alt and v then go to tool bars quick filter will be checked just hit enter on it and it will fix this. now and again it will come back.

On 19/08/2016 04:17, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


When I shift tab from the inbox, I get something that says "filter these
messages". Is there a way to disable it and go directly to the treeview?


Thanks in advance for your help.


Rosemarie



Word "Clickable" - Number of repetitions and what causes it?

 

The following is a question that only the NVDA developers who handle this can answer, but this is as good a place as any to make the inquiry.

Even as a sighted user I find it confusing when I land on something that gets announced as "Clickable, clickable, clickable" when it either is clickable, but all one would have to do is click once, or when it's not clickable at all.  I am also wondering why the phrase "clickable link" gets used for some links while other links don't get the "clickable" designation, and I'm not talking about something that's stippled out.  There seems to be little rhyme or reason to how/when the designation "clickable" gets used and how many times.

As to the multi-clickable announcement, I'll give an example for an object that is not clickable at all for a sighted user.  When I go to the Gmail Settings, General Tab, I eventually can tab myself to the first part of the settings, which is Language.  I will sometimes (and I just now could not replicate even landing there) land on what looks like the label for this group of settings.  It will generally announce "clickable" three times, but there's nothing there that a sighted mouse user can click, and there's no hint as to what might be clickable there.

There are too many buttons and links to mention as I navigate through this page some of which say "clickable" when you land on them and others that do not.  There's got to be a rhyme and reason here, but I cannot easily fathom what it is.  I also think that saying "clickable link" is redundant and, if you have that rare instance where a given link is blocked, it would make more sense to announce that state of oddity than to ever announce that a link that can be clicked is "clickable."
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: setting up imap email

 

Gene,

         Just as an FYI, there appears to be a steady trend away from "the gear icon" being called "Tools" these days, though that was probably the primary designator when its use first appeared.  That's what I recall, anyway.  The trend is now toward "Settings" and it's being used, in various forms but always showing a gear or gears, on multiple operating systems now, too.  The last Mac I was working with used an icon that looked somewhat like the inner workings of an old wind-up type watch, with multiple interlocking gears, for Settings.

          Even Windows 10 itself is using its own variant of the single gear icon for the settings button.   Keeping an ear out for an announcement of tools makes sense, too, but if you hear settings you can be reasonably confident that they're under a control that uses a gear or gears as its iconic presentation.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: setting up imap email

Gene
 

Gear is the picture of the icon.  You don't look for just such a term or description when following instructions for sighted users.  You have to use logic and inference and experimentation to see what is being referred to.  programs routinely use a gear icon for the tools menu.  A sighted person sees a gear.  A blind person hears the word tools because that is text the icon has associated with it.  A sighted person can see the word tools, as far as I know.  But it is routinely referred to as a gear. 
 
The same may be true on various web pages where you have options or perhaps a menus.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] setting up imap email

Hi Brian:


Thanks for that explanation.  I actually investigated this myself and
I pressed the settings button and was able to follow the instructions
given in the Gmail help, but instead of click on a gear, I pressed the
settings button and was able to follow the rest of the instructions as
normal.
Kevin Huber ,

On 8/19/16, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> NVDA reads the "gear button" as "Settings Menu Button" and will tell you
> "collapsed, submenu" until you activate it.  It also mentions that you've
> landed on "toolbar" when you first hit any of the Google Toolbar buttons, of
> which the Settings Menu Button is only one.
>
> The above presumes that you've already logged in to the Gmail web interface
> for any one of the services that has settings that you as a user are able to
> configure.  Gmail is definitely among those.
>
> Gmail should have IMAP access enabled by default these days, but if an
> account was set up years ago it might not.  If you're trying to use a Gmail
> account in an email client I would simply try setting it up in that client
> first.  Those that can do auto setup will always try IMAP first and if the
> account is not set up to allow IMAP it most likely will fail.  Then you'd
> have to resort to going in to the Gmail account and turning it on.
> --
> Brian
>
> I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never
> enough to keep up.
>          ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in
> the Universe"
>



Re: setting up imap email

Kevin Huber
 

Hi Brian:


Thanks for that explanation. I actually investigated this myself and
I pressed the settings button and was able to follow the instructions
given in the Gmail help, but instead of click on a gear, I pressed the
settings button and was able to follow the rest of the instructions as
normal.
Kevin Huber ,

On 8/19/16, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
NVDA reads the "gear button" as "Settings Menu Button" and will tell you
"collapsed, submenu" until you activate it. It also mentions that you've
landed on "toolbar" when you first hit any of the Google Toolbar buttons, of
which the Settings Menu Button is only one.

The above presumes that you've already logged in to the Gmail web interface
for any one of the services that has settings that you as a user are able to
configure. Gmail is definitely among those.

Gmail should have IMAP access enabled by default these days, but if an
account was set up years ago it might not. If you're trying to use a Gmail
account in an email client I would simply try setting it up in that client
first. Those that can do auto setup will always try IMAP first and if the
account is not set up to allow IMAP it most likely will fail. Then you'd
have to resort to going in to the Gmail account and turning it on.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never
enough to keep up.
~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in
the Universe"


Re: problem with the newest chrome

Dejan Ristic
 

Allow me to say that I use Windows 7, Ultimate, 64Bit SP1, and the latest version of all the browsers and NVDA.


On 8/19/2016 7:01 PM, Dejan Ristic wrote:

It is possible for me to hear the links in Chrome, but it is impossible to read the lists of the source and target languages in Google Translate via Chrome, though. That's what I have faced when Google chrome has updated itself. I have also tried Opera, but the same goes for it. Then, I have tried Avast! Safe Zone Browser, and it has also failed. Let me conclude that these ones are the Chrome-based engines, and that they sing the same song at the same time.


On 8/19/2016 2:07 PM, P. Otter wrote:

it is right what you write!

no link will be displayed in chrome only in the own settings of chrome!

paul otter




Op 19-8-2016 om 13:50 schreef Artin Dekker:

If I have a link in Chrome NVDA says blank. This happens at every link, not only in search results. The log is:

ERROR - XMLFormatting.XMLTextParser.parse (12:46:30):
XML: <control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5026" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="0" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="22" _childcontrolcount="22" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" IAccessible2::attribute_explicit-name="true" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="#document" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="15" IAccessible::state_1048576="1" IAccessible::state_64="1" keyboardShortcut="" name="Microsoft – Official Home Page" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5027" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="0" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="5" _childcontrolcount="4" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="22" IAccessible2::attribute_class="shell-header shell-responsive  global-sticky mobile-view" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_id="shell-header" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="div" IAccessible2::attribute_xml-roles="banner" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="1043" keyboardShortcut="" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5031" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="1" _childcontrolcount="1" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="5" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_id="srv_shellHeaderMicrosoftLogo" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="a" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="30" IAccessible::state_1048576="1" IAccessible::state_4194304="1" IAccessible::state_8388608="1" IAccessibleAction_Gaan naar="0" description="Microsoft" keyboardShortcut="" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5035" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="1" _childcontrolcount="0" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_explicit-name="true" IAccessible2::attribute_src="https://assets.onestore.ms/cdnfiles/onestorerolling-1608-09000/shell/v3/images/logo/microsoft.png" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="img" IAccessible2::attribute_xml-roles="img" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="40" IAccessible::state_4194304="1" IAccessible::state_64="1" IAccessibleAction_klikken="0" keyboardShortcut="" ><text _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="0" isHidden="0" _childcount="0" _childcontrolcount="0" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" >Microsoft</text></control></control></control></control>
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "XMLFormatting.pyc", line 60, in parse
ExpatError: not well-formed (invalid token): line 1, column 1516


Artin Dekker
Beheerder win10-nl
https://win10-nl.groups.io/g/algemeen
Op 19-8-2016 om 12:01 schreef Gene:
Chrome automatically updates itself and the user can't stop it.  Use Firefox for sites where you have this problem.  It isn't clear to me what the problem is.  Is the problem that when you do a search such as a google search, you don't see the links in the results displayed as clickable links or you don't see the address of the sites in the results showing where the result leads?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

One of the things I soon learned was to keep archives of older versions of
software so one could back track if things got broken. For the moment all
you can do is tell  The Chrome team and nvda team about any issues and  back
track to the earlier viersion until its been fixed.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome


> hello all,
>
> i've a problem with the newest version of chrome.
>
> when i type a search string for example nvda the results will coming up,
> but the link will not be spoken.
>
> what's wrong?
>
> i've allso an older version, but that's a portable version.
>
> when i open this version the results will be spoken allso the links.
>
> what can i do to solve this problem and are there more people who has
> problems like this in chrome?
>
> i was just glad that i could use chrome in nvda.
>
> the same problem comes up when i open youtube after i have search results.
>
> i don't understand why this is changed.
>
> before chrome was working perfectly!
>
> thanks in advance.
>
> paul otter
>
>
>
>
>





.







Re: setting up imap email

 

NVDA reads the "gear button" as "Settings Menu Button" and will tell you "collapsed, submenu" until you activate it.  It also mentions that you've landed on "toolbar" when you first hit any of the Google Toolbar buttons, of which the Settings Menu Button is only one.

The above presumes that you've already logged in to the Gmail web interface for any one of the services that has settings that you as a user are able to configure.  Gmail is definitely among those.

Gmail should have IMAP access enabled by default these days, but if an account was set up years ago it might not.  If you're trying to use a Gmail account in an email client I would simply try setting it up in that client first.  Those that can do auto setup will always try IMAP first and if the account is not set up to allow IMAP it most likely will fail.  Then you'd have to resort to going in to the Gmail account and turning it on.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: problem with the newest chrome

Dejan Ristic
 

It is possible for me to hear the links in Chrome, but it is impossible to read the lists of the source and target languages in Google Translate via Chrome, though. That's what I have faced when Google chrome has updated itself. I have also tried Opera, but the same goes for it. Then, I have tried Avast! Safe Zone Browser, and it has also failed. Let me conclude that these ones are the Chrome-based engines, and that they sing the same song at the same time.


On 8/19/2016 2:07 PM, P. Otter wrote:

it is right what you write!

no link will be displayed in chrome only in the own settings of chrome!

paul otter




Op 19-8-2016 om 13:50 schreef Artin Dekker:

If I have a link in Chrome NVDA says blank. This happens at every link, not only in search results. The log is:

ERROR - XMLFormatting.XMLTextParser.parse (12:46:30):
XML: <control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5026" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="0" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="22" _childcontrolcount="22" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" IAccessible2::attribute_explicit-name="true" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="#document" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="15" IAccessible::state_1048576="1" IAccessible::state_64="1" keyboardShortcut="" name="Microsoft – Official Home Page" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5027" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="0" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="5" _childcontrolcount="4" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="22" IAccessible2::attribute_class="shell-header shell-responsive  global-sticky mobile-view" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_id="shell-header" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="div" IAccessible2::attribute_xml-roles="banner" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="1043" keyboardShortcut="" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5031" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="1" _childcontrolcount="1" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="5" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_id="srv_shellHeaderMicrosoftLogo" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="a" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="30" IAccessible::state_1048576="1" IAccessible::state_4194304="1" IAccessible::state_8388608="1" IAccessibleAction_Gaan naar="0" description="Microsoft" keyboardShortcut="" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5035" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="1" _childcontrolcount="0" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_explicit-name="true" IAccessible2::attribute_src="https://assets.onestore.ms/cdnfiles/onestorerolling-1608-09000/shell/v3/images/logo/microsoft.png" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="img" IAccessible2::attribute_xml-roles="img" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="40" IAccessible::state_4194304="1" IAccessible::state_64="1" IAccessibleAction_klikken="0" keyboardShortcut="" ><text _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="0" isHidden="0" _childcount="0" _childcontrolcount="0" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" >Microsoft</text></control></control></control></control>
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "XMLFormatting.pyc", line 60, in parse
ExpatError: not well-formed (invalid token): line 1, column 1516


Artin Dekker
Beheerder win10-nl
https://win10-nl.groups.io/g/algemeen
Op 19-8-2016 om 12:01 schreef Gene:
Chrome automatically updates itself and the user can't stop it.  Use Firefox for sites where you have this problem.  It isn't clear to me what the problem is.  Is the problem that when you do a search such as a google search, you don't see the links in the results displayed as clickable links or you don't see the address of the sites in the results showing where the result leads?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

One of the things I soon learned was to keep archives of older versions of
software so one could back track if things got broken. For the moment all
you can do is tell  The Chrome team and nvda team about any issues and  back
track to the earlier viersion until its been fixed.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome


> hello all,
>
> i've a problem with the newest version of chrome.
>
> when i type a search string for example nvda the results will coming up,
> but the link will not be spoken.
>
> what's wrong?
>
> i've allso an older version, but that's a portable version.
>
> when i open this version the results will be spoken allso the links.
>
> what can i do to solve this problem and are there more people who has
> problems like this in chrome?
>
> i was just glad that i could use chrome in nvda.
>
> the same problem comes up when i open youtube after i have search results.
>
> i don't understand why this is changed.
>
> before chrome was working perfectly!
>
> thanks in advance.
>
> paul otter
>
>
>
>
>





.




Re: problem with the newest chrome

Dejan Ristic
 

What do you say as to the Opera browser? Is it possible for you to use that one instead? Is its behaviour similar to that of Chrome?


On 8/19/2016 1:55 PM, P. Otter wrote:

    hello, it is the first option you mention.

when i do a google search i don't see the links.

and the most strange in this situation is, i see the rule that you find under the link, i can read it.

when i go with the arrow up, therw where i supose the link, i press enter, the link is working as usual!

so, the link is there, only not read by nvda.

i don't know what that is.

 

cheers
paul otter

Op 19-8-2016 om 13:01 schreef Gene:
Chrome automatically updates itself and the user can't stop it.  Use Firefox for sites where you have this problem.  It isn't clear to me what the problem is.  Is the problem that when you do a search such as a google search, you don't see the links in the results displayed as clickable links or you don't see the address of the sites in the results showing where the result leads?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

One of the things I soon learned was to keep archives of older versions of
software so one could back track if things got broken. For the moment all
you can do is tell  The Chrome team and nvda team about any issues and  back
track to the earlier viersion until its been fixed.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome


> hello all,
>
> i've a problem with the newest version of chrome.
>
> when i type a search string for example nvda the results will coming up,
> but the link will not be spoken.
>
> what's wrong?
>
> i've allso an older version, but that's a portable version.
>
> when i open this version the results will be spoken allso the links.
>
> what can i do to solve this problem and are there more people who has
> problems like this in chrome?
>
> i was just glad that i could use chrome in nvda.
>
> the same problem comes up when i open youtube after i have search results.
>
> i don't understand why this is changed.
>
> before chrome was working perfectly!
>
> thanks in advance.
>
> paul otter
>
>
>
>
>




.




Re: problem with the newest chrome

Dejan Ristic
 

Now that you've said what the problem is, try using Firefox for the time being, for I do it when Chrome is not as reliable as before.


On 8/19/2016 1:50 PM, Artin Dekker wrote:

If I have a link in Chrome NVDA says blank. This happens at every link, not only in search results. The log is:

ERROR - XMLFormatting.XMLTextParser.parse (12:46:30):
XML: <control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5026" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="0" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="22" _childcontrolcount="22" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" IAccessible2::attribute_explicit-name="true" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="#document" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="15" IAccessible::state_1048576="1" IAccessible::state_64="1" keyboardShortcut="" name="Microsoft – Official Home Page" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5027" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="0" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="5" _childcontrolcount="4" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="22" IAccessible2::attribute_class="shell-header shell-responsive  global-sticky mobile-view" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_id="shell-header" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="div" IAccessible2::attribute_xml-roles="banner" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="1043" keyboardShortcut="" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5031" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="1" _childcontrolcount="1" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="5" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_id="srv_shellHeaderMicrosoftLogo" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="a" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="30" IAccessible::state_1048576="1" IAccessible::state_4194304="1" IAccessible::state_8388608="1" IAccessibleAction_Gaan naar="0" description="Microsoft" keyboardShortcut="" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5035" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="1" _childcontrolcount="0" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_explicit-name="true" IAccessible2::attribute_src="https://assets.onestore.ms/cdnfiles/onestorerolling-1608-09000/shell/v3/images/logo/microsoft.png" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="img" IAccessible2::attribute_xml-roles="img" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="40" IAccessible::state_4194304="1" IAccessible::state_64="1" IAccessibleAction_klikken="0" keyboardShortcut="" ><text _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="0" isHidden="0" _childcount="0" _childcontrolcount="0" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" >Microsoft</text></control></control></control></control>
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "XMLFormatting.pyc", line 60, in parse
ExpatError: not well-formed (invalid token): line 1, column 1516


Artin Dekker
Beheerder win10-nl
https://win10-nl.groups.io/g/algemeen
Op 19-8-2016 om 12:01 schreef Gene:
Chrome automatically updates itself and the user can't stop it.  Use Firefox for sites where you have this problem.  It isn't clear to me what the problem is.  Is the problem that when you do a search such as a google search, you don't see the links in the results displayed as clickable links or you don't see the address of the sites in the results showing where the result leads?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

One of the things I soon learned was to keep archives of older versions of
software so one could back track if things got broken. For the moment all
you can do is tell  The Chrome team and nvda team about any issues and  back
track to the earlier viersion until its been fixed.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome


> hello all,
>
> i've a problem with the newest version of chrome.
>
> when i type a search string for example nvda the results will coming up,
> but the link will not be spoken.
>
> what's wrong?
>
> i've allso an older version, but that's a portable version.
>
> when i open this version the results will be spoken allso the links.
>
> what can i do to solve this problem and are there more people who has
> problems like this in chrome?
>
> i was just glad that i could use chrome in nvda.
>
> the same problem comes up when i open youtube after i have search results.
>
> i don't understand why this is changed.
>
> before chrome was working perfectly!
>
> thanks in advance.
>
> paul otter
>
>
>
>
>








Re: problem with the newest chrome

 

Google Chrome:
52.0.2743.116 (Official build) m(32-bits)
Revision:
9115ecad1cae66fd5fe52bd9120af643384fd6f3-refs/branch-heads/2743@{#728}

Artin Dekker
Beheerder win10-nl
https://win10-nl.groups.io/g/algemeen
Op 19-8-2016 om 16:44 schreef Kevin Chao:

Chrome has 4 different channels (Canary, Dev, Beta, and Stable), and they update at different times. Specifying "latest version" isn't useful for debugging purposes, so 

please copy/paste the value that chrome://version provides 

Thanks!

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 8:37 AM Artin Dekker <artindekker@...> wrote:

I use Windows 10 build 14393 32-bit.

Artin Dekker
Beheerder win10-nl
https://win10-nl.groups.io/g/algemeen
Op 19-8-2016 om 16:22 schreef Gene:
It should be pointed out that those reporting problems aren't stating the version of Windows being used.  Those who are reporting no problems are also not providing such information.  That might be at least one reason that people are reporting different results.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

Then these problems may be Chrome problems.  I won't comment further and I'll wait to see what others may say. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

The log is the NVDA log. In the nvda-translations list is a message about chrome, http://www.freelists.org/post/nvda-translations/Google-Chrome-support-is-broken-20163-should-alert-users-on-changest2t.

Artin Dekker
Beheerder win10-nl
https://win10-nl.groups.io/g/algemeen
Op 19-8-2016 om 13:11 schreef Gene:
Then this is evidently not an accessibility issue and I suspect it isn't a general problem with Chrome.  A sighted person probably wouldn't see links either and an error message is generated by Chrome, something that would not happen if this were an accessibility issue.  Try uninstalling and reinstalling Chrome.  You may have gotten a bad update. 
 
Also, since only one other person has reported an unclear problem with Chrome and certain links, that further supports the possibility that this is not a general Chrome problem.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

If I have a link in Chrome NVDA says blank. This happens at every link, not only in search results. The log is:

ERROR - XMLFormatting.XMLTextParser.parse (12:46:30):
XML: <control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5026" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="0" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="22" _childcontrolcount="22" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" IAccessible2::attribute_explicit-name="true" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="#document" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="15" IAccessible::state_1048576="1" IAccessible::state_64="1" keyboardShortcut="" name="Microsoft – Official Home Page" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5027" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="0" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="5" _childcontrolcount="4" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="22" IAccessible2::attribute_class="shell-header shell-responsive  global-sticky mobile-view" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_id="shell-header" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="div" IAccessible2::attribute_xml-roles="banner" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="1043" keyboardShortcut="" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5031" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="1" _childcontrolcount="1" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="5" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_id="srv_shellHeaderMicrosoftLogo" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="a" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="30" IAccessible::state_1048576="1" IAccessible::state_4194304="1" IAccessible::state_8388608="1" IAccessibleAction_Gaan naar="0" description="Microsoft" keyboardShortcut="" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5035" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="1" _childcontrolcount="0" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_explicit-name="true" IAccessible2::attribute_src="https://assets.onestore.ms/cdnfiles/onestorerolling-1608-09000/shell/v3/images/logo/microsoft.png" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="img" IAccessible2::attribute_xml-roles="img" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="40" IAccessible::state_4194304="1" IAccessible::state_64="1" IAccessibleAction_klikken="0" keyboardShortcut="" ><text _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="0" isHidden="0" _childcount="0" _childcontrolcount="0" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" >Microsoft</text></control></control></control></control>
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "XMLFormatting.pyc", line 60, in parse
ExpatError: not well-formed (invalid token): line 1, column 1516


Artin Dekker
Beheerder win10-nl
https://win10-nl.groups.io/g/algemeen
Op 19-8-2016 om 12:01 schreef Gene:
Chrome automatically updates itself and the user can't stop it.  Use Firefox for sites where you have this problem.  It isn't clear to me what the problem is.  Is the problem that when you do a search such as a google search, you don't see the links in the results displayed as clickable links or you don't see the address of the sites in the results showing where the result leads?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

One of the things I soon learned was to keep archives of older versions of
software so one could back track if things got broken. For the moment all
you can do is tell  The Chrome team and nvda team about any issues and  back
track to the earlier viersion until its been fixed.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome


> hello all,
>
> i've a problem with the newest version of chrome.
>
> when i type a search string for example nvda the results will coming up,
> but the link will not be spoken.
>
> what's wrong?
>
> i've allso an older version, but that's a portable version.
>
> when i open this version the results will be spoken allso the links.
>
> what can i do to solve this problem and are there more people who has
> problems like this in chrome?
>
> i was just glad that i could use chrome in nvda.
>
> the same problem comes up when i open youtube after i have search results.
>
> i don't understand why this is changed.
>
> before chrome was working perfectly!
>
> thanks in advance.
>
> paul otter
>
>
>
>
>








Re: setting up imap email

Albert Ruel
 

I have set up several Gmail accounts, and the captcha is usable, albeit somewhat difficult to do. I sometimes had to do it more than once to find success.

Thx, Albert

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 19, 2016, at 8:26 AM, Kevin Huber <kevin.huber1@...> wrote:

Hi:

If you want to set up a Gmail account, go to www.gmail.com.
If you do not have an existing gmail account, you will be presented
with the form that you have to fill out to creat a google account.

Remember, there will be a capcha that you will have to fill in as
well. I haven't done it in several years, but when I did it, they had
a link to an audio capcha but the audio was, at least for me, almost
impossible to understand. I think I ended up using Webvisom with
Firefox.
Kevin Huber

On 8/19/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
In programs, the gear icon very often is identified by screen-readers as
tools.
Evidently, on the Google page, you would look for some other name. I don't
know what that name might be but it might imply that you can get to settings
from there. Maybe something like options or preferences or something else
that implies a relevant category.

I've never set Google up to be used with an external account in part
because, though I have an account, I've almost never used GMail.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 8:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] setting up imap email


Hi all you Google users,



I cannot find the "gear" icon on the Google page for setting up a gmail
account.



Here is the instruction that I am following:

Step 1: Enable IMAP

You can retrieve your Gmail messages with a client or device that supports
IMAP, like Microsoft Outlook or Apple Mail.

1. Sign in to Gmail.

2. Click the gear in the top right .

3. Select Settings.

4. Click Forwarding and POP/IMAP.

5. Select Enable IMAP.

6. Click Save Changes.

Note: This setting is not available while using the basic HTML view of
Gmail. To enable IMAP, use the standard view instead.



Wonderfully clear instructions! However, I am blocked at step 1! I cannot
find the "gear" icon on my screen. Can anyone tell me how to do it without
sighted assistance, please?




All the best



Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

I use the free version of Spam Reader to get rid of spam. The Professional
version doesn't have this disclaimer in outgoing emails. Try Spam Reader for
free now!




Re: getting rid of the extra verbage in thunderbird

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I unchecked the mail toolbar in thunderbird. Now the program is working great.

On 8/19/2016 4:45 AM, Lino Morales wrote:
Yeah I get that every once in a while. Just restart Thunderbird.


On 8/18/2016 11:17 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


When I shift tab from the inbox, I get something that says "filter these messages". Is there a way to disable it and go directly to the treeview?


Thanks in advance for your help.


Rosemarie





Re: setting up imap email

Kevin Chao
 

Is there an issue with gmail.com or inbox.google.com which makes yu want to use a desktop native email client?


On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 8:29 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I said that I have an account but I have never set up GMail to work with an e-mail program.  My point is that the gear icon may use wording that you have to guess or consider the implications of when looking for it. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] setting up imap email

Hi:

If you want to set up a Gmail account, go to www.gmail.com.
If you do not have an existing gmail account, you will be presented
with the form that you have to fill out to creat a google account.

Remember, there will be a capcha that you will have to fill in as
well.  I haven't done it in several years, but when I did it, they had
a link to an audio capcha but the audio was, at least for me, almost
impossible to understand.  I think I ended up using Webvisom with
Firefox.
Kevin Huber

On 8/19/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> In programs, the gear icon very often is identified by screen-readers as
> tools.
> Evidently, on the Google page, you would look for some other name.  I don't
> know what that name might be but it might imply that you can get to settings
> from there.  Maybe something like options or preferences or something else
> that implies a relevant category.
>
> I've never set Google up to be used with an external account in part
> because, though I have an account, I've almost never used GMail.
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Cearbhall O'Meadhra
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 8:53 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] setting up imap email
>
>
> Hi all you Google users,
>
>
>
> I cannot find the "gear" icon on the Google page for setting up a gmail
> account.
>
>
>
> Here is the instruction that I am following:
>
> Step 1: Enable IMAP
>
> You can retrieve your Gmail messages with a client or device that supports
> IMAP, like Microsoft Outlook or Apple Mail.
>
> 1. Sign in to Gmail.
>
> 2. Click the gear in the top right .
>
> 3. Select Settings.
>
> 4. Click Forwarding and POP/IMAP.
>
> 5. Select Enable IMAP.
>
> 6. Click Save Changes.
>
> Note: This setting is not available while using the basic HTML view of
> Gmail. To enable IMAP, use the standard view instead.
>
>
>
> Wonderfully clear instructions! However, I am blocked at step 1! I cannot
> find the "gear" icon on my screen. Can anyone tell me how to do it without
> sighted assistance, please?
>
>
>
>
> All the best
>
>
>
> Cearbhall
>
> m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
>
> I use the free version of Spam Reader to get rid of spam. The Professional
> version doesn't have this disclaimer in outgoing emails. Try Spam Reader for
> free now!
>
>
>
>



Re: problem with the newest chrome

Kevin Chao
 

Chrome has 4 different channels (Canary, Dev, Beta, and Stable), and they update at different times. Specifying "latest version" isn't useful for debugging purposes, so 

please copy/paste the value that chrome://version provides 

Thanks!

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 8:37 AM Artin Dekker <artindekker@...> wrote:

I use Windows 10 build 14393 32-bit.

Artin Dekker
Beheerder win10-nl
https://win10-nl.groups.io/g/algemeen
Op 19-8-2016 om 16:22 schreef Gene:
It should be pointed out that those reporting problems aren't stating the version of Windows being used.  Those who are reporting no problems are also not providing such information.  That might be at least one reason that people are reporting different results.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

Then these problems may be Chrome problems.  I won't comment further and I'll wait to see what others may say. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

The log is the NVDA log. In the nvda-translations list is a message about chrome, http://www.freelists.org/post/nvda-translations/Google-Chrome-support-is-broken-20163-should-alert-users-on-changest2t.

Artin Dekker
Beheerder win10-nl
https://win10-nl.groups.io/g/algemeen
Op 19-8-2016 om 13:11 schreef Gene:
Then this is evidently not an accessibility issue and I suspect it isn't a general problem with Chrome.  A sighted person probably wouldn't see links either and an error message is generated by Chrome, something that would not happen if this were an accessibility issue.  Try uninstalling and reinstalling Chrome.  You may have gotten a bad update. 
 
Also, since only one other person has reported an unclear problem with Chrome and certain links, that further supports the possibility that this is not a general Chrome problem.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

If I have a link in Chrome NVDA says blank. This happens at every link, not only in search results. The log is:

ERROR - XMLFormatting.XMLTextParser.parse (12:46:30):
XML: <control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5026" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="0" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="22" _childcontrolcount="22" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" IAccessible2::attribute_explicit-name="true" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="#document" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="15" IAccessible::state_1048576="1" IAccessible::state_64="1" keyboardShortcut="" name="Microsoft – Official Home Page" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5027" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="0" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="5" _childcontrolcount="4" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="22" IAccessible2::attribute_class="shell-header shell-responsive  global-sticky mobile-view" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_id="shell-header" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="div" IAccessible2::attribute_xml-roles="banner" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="1043" keyboardShortcut="" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5031" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="1" _childcontrolcount="1" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="5" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_id="srv_shellHeaderMicrosoftLogo" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="a" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="30" IAccessible::state_1048576="1" IAccessible::state_4194304="1" IAccessible::state_8388608="1" IAccessibleAction_Gaan naar="0" description="Microsoft" keyboardShortcut="" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5035" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="1" _childcontrolcount="0" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_explicit-name="true" IAccessible2::attribute_src="https://assets.onestore.ms/cdnfiles/onestorerolling-1608-09000/shell/v3/images/logo/microsoft.png" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="img" IAccessible2::attribute_xml-roles="img" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="40" IAccessible::state_4194304="1" IAccessible::state_64="1" IAccessibleAction_klikken="0" keyboardShortcut="" ><text _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="0" isHidden="0" _childcount="0" _childcontrolcount="0" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" >Microsoft</text></control></control></control></control>
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "XMLFormatting.pyc", line 60, in parse
ExpatError: not well-formed (invalid token): line 1, column 1516


Artin Dekker
Beheerder win10-nl
https://win10-nl.groups.io/g/algemeen
Op 19-8-2016 om 12:01 schreef Gene:
Chrome automatically updates itself and the user can't stop it.  Use Firefox for sites where you have this problem.  It isn't clear to me what the problem is.  Is the problem that when you do a search such as a google search, you don't see the links in the results displayed as clickable links or you don't see the address of the sites in the results showing where the result leads?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

One of the things I soon learned was to keep archives of older versions of
software so one could back track if things got broken. For the moment all
you can do is tell  The Chrome team and nvda team about any issues and  back
track to the earlier viersion until its been fixed.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome


> hello all,
>
> i've a problem with the newest version of chrome.
>
> when i type a search string for example nvda the results will coming up,
> but the link will not be spoken.
>
> what's wrong?
>
> i've allso an older version, but that's a portable version.
>
> when i open this version the results will be spoken allso the links.
>
> what can i do to solve this problem and are there more people who has
> problems like this in chrome?
>
> i was just glad that i could use chrome in nvda.
>
> the same problem comes up when i open youtube after i have search results.
>
> i don't understand why this is changed.
>
> before chrome was working perfectly!
>
> thanks in advance.
>
> paul otter
>
>
>
>
>







Re: problem with the newest chrome

 

I use Windows 10 build 14393 32-bit.

Artin Dekker
Beheerder win10-nl
https://win10-nl.groups.io/g/algemeen
Op 19-8-2016 om 16:22 schreef Gene:

It should be pointed out that those reporting problems aren't stating the version of Windows being used.  Those who are reporting no problems are also not providing such information.  That might be at least one reason that people are reporting different results.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

Then these problems may be Chrome problems.  I won't comment further and I'll wait to see what others may say. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

The log is the NVDA log. In the nvda-translations list is a message about chrome, http://www.freelists.org/post/nvda-translations/Google-Chrome-support-is-broken-20163-should-alert-users-on-changest2t.

Artin Dekker
Beheerder win10-nl
https://win10-nl.groups.io/g/algemeen
Op 19-8-2016 om 13:11 schreef Gene:
Then this is evidently not an accessibility issue and I suspect it isn't a general problem with Chrome.  A sighted person probably wouldn't see links either and an error message is generated by Chrome, something that would not happen if this were an accessibility issue.  Try uninstalling and reinstalling Chrome.  You may have gotten a bad update. 
 
Also, since only one other person has reported an unclear problem with Chrome and certain links, that further supports the possibility that this is not a general Chrome problem.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

If I have a link in Chrome NVDA says blank. This happens at every link, not only in search results. The log is:

ERROR - XMLFormatting.XMLTextParser.parse (12:46:30):
XML: <control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5026" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="0" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="22" _childcontrolcount="22" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" IAccessible2::attribute_explicit-name="true" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="#document" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="15" IAccessible::state_1048576="1" IAccessible::state_64="1" keyboardShortcut="" name="Microsoft – Official Home Page" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5027" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="0" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="5" _childcontrolcount="4" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="22" IAccessible2::attribute_class="shell-header shell-responsive  global-sticky mobile-view" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_id="shell-header" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="div" IAccessible2::attribute_xml-roles="banner" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="1043" keyboardShortcut="" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5031" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="1" _childcontrolcount="1" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="5" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_id="srv_shellHeaderMicrosoftLogo" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="a" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="30" IAccessible::state_1048576="1" IAccessible::state_4194304="1" IAccessible::state_8388608="1" IAccessibleAction_Gaan naar="0" description="Microsoft" keyboardShortcut="" ><control controlIdentifier_docHandle="1836924" controlIdentifier_ID="-5035" _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="1" isHidden="0" _childcount="1" _childcontrolcount="0" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" IAccessible2::attribute_display="block" IAccessible2::attribute_explicit-name="true" IAccessible2::attribute_src="https://assets.onestore.ms/cdnfiles/onestorerolling-1608-09000/shell/v3/images/logo/microsoft.png" IAccessible2::attribute_tag="img" IAccessible2::attribute_xml-roles="img" IAccessible2::state_1024="1" IAccessible::role="40" IAccessible::state_4194304="1" IAccessible::state_64="1" IAccessibleAction_klikken="0" keyboardShortcut="" ><text _startOfNode="1" _endOfNode="1" isBlock="0" isHidden="0" _childcount="0" _childcontrolcount="0" _indexInParent="0" _parentChildCount="1" >Microsoft</text></control></control></control></control>
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "XMLFormatting.pyc", line 60, in parse
ExpatError: not well-formed (invalid token): line 1, column 1516


Artin Dekker
Beheerder win10-nl
https://win10-nl.groups.io/g/algemeen
Op 19-8-2016 om 12:01 schreef Gene:
Chrome automatically updates itself and the user can't stop it.  Use Firefox for sites where you have this problem.  It isn't clear to me what the problem is.  Is the problem that when you do a search such as a google search, you don't see the links in the results displayed as clickable links or you don't see the address of the sites in the results showing where the result leads?
 
Gene
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Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome

One of the things I soon learned was to keep archives of older versions of
software so one could back track if things got broken. For the moment all
you can do is tell  The Chrome team and nvda team about any issues and  back
track to the earlier viersion until its been fixed.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] problem with the newest chrome


> hello all,
>
> i've a problem with the newest version of chrome.
>
> when i type a search string for example nvda the results will coming up,
> but the link will not be spoken.
>
> what's wrong?
>
> i've allso an older version, but that's a portable version.
>
> when i open this version the results will be spoken allso the links.
>
> what can i do to solve this problem and are there more people who has
> problems like this in chrome?
>
> i was just glad that i could use chrome in nvda.
>
> the same problem comes up when i open youtube after i have search results.
>
> i don't understand why this is changed.
>
> before chrome was working perfectly!
>
> thanks in advance.
>
> paul otter
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