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Re: setting up imap email

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

This is not the main issue. We are saying that this only sets up via webmail, and often you need to turn on pop3/Imap if you intend to use a client. I did manage to do this but like the origiinal poster the instructions on the website were less than clear. The button you need is called a different name to the name given in the instructions unless you can actually see it.

Googles audio is a lot better than it used to be, but still sometimes malfunttions.
I thought thy might be going over to a more obvios question based system.
After all google accounts still seem to get used by spammers so its obvious that wobbly wwriting is no longer a good way to stop this.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Huber" <kevin.huber1@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] setting up imap email


Hi:

If you want to set up a Gmail account, go to www.gmail.com.
If you do not have an existing gmail account, you will be presented
with the form that you have to fill out to creat a google account.

Remember, there will be a capcha that you will have to fill in as
well. I haven't done it in several years, but when I did it, they had
a link to an audio capcha but the audio was, at least for me, almost
impossible to understand. I think I ended up using Webvisom with
Firefox.
Kevin Huber

On 8/19/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
In programs, the gear icon very often is identified by screen-readers as
tools.
Evidently, on the Google page, you would look for some other name. I don't
know what that name might be but it might imply that you can get to settings
from there. Maybe something like options or preferences or something else
that implies a relevant category.

I've never set Google up to be used with an external account in part
because, though I have an account, I've almost never used GMail.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 8:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] setting up imap email


Hi all you Google users,



I cannot find the "gear" icon on the Google page for setting up a gmail
account.



Here is the instruction that I am following:

Step 1: Enable IMAP

You can retrieve your Gmail messages with a client or device that supports
IMAP, like Microsoft Outlook or Apple Mail.

1. Sign in to Gmail.

2. Click the gear in the top right .

3. Select Settings.

4. Click Forwarding and POP/IMAP.

5. Select Enable IMAP.

6. Click Save Changes.

Note: This setting is not available while using the basic HTML view of
Gmail. To enable IMAP, use the standard view instead.



Wonderfully clear instructions! However, I am blocked at step 1! I cannot
find the "gear" icon on my screen. Can anyone tell me how to do it without
sighted assistance, please?




All the best



Cearbhall

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FW: [Nvda-devel] FW: Possible issues with JOptionPane?

 

Hi Daniel,

Jamie from NV Access suggests joining the developers list, as the query you sent is best suited there.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: James Teh [mailto:jamie@...]
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 11:40 PM
To: NVDA screen reader development <nvda-devel@...>
Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] FW: [nvda] Possible issues with JOptionPane?

 

I'd suggest requesting that the reporter join this list. It is a better place to discuss such things. Thanks!

 

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

Any Java experts, would you like to take a shot at it? Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of NCC Underling
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 8:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Possible issues with JOptionPane?

 

Greetings all,

I'm having issues with Java applet demo here: https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/uiswing/components/dialog.html

In my own testing, only 3 of the 15 possible dialogs announce the main dialog message. However, if I hover with the mouse pointer, or press the [NVDA]+B shortcut, then the message/warning text is annunciated.

I'd be happy to debug the issue (to some degree), but, at this stage am wondering if anyone is able to reproduce the same issue please?

I'm guessing the speech viewer simply echoes what is spoken (not what NVDA actually receives from accessible application?).

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks, Daniel


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Re: mobil voices on nvda

Tyler Spivey
 

Install this addon, and you'll have what was in next.
Keep in mind it might break, and should be uninstalled once the code gets merged back into next. It's working here, and adds two new synthesizers to the list.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1060978/sapi5mobile.nvda-addon?dl

I've verified that it matches git commit 4810483a989a8d4d3e57c1481ba63e5f8053b1b9 with minimal changes.

On 8/19/2016 5:49 PM, Bobby wrote:
Just to let you all know I'm using the latest snap shot of nvda and I am
not happy that the Mobil mark and eva voices aren't present. Please
tell me what happened to them because they were many snap shots before
this one



Re: mobil voices on nvda

 

From what I understand there was some regression in their use.
No idea what the final outcome was.
To be honest the easiest way to handle nvda is subscribe on the nvda dev skype group, I forget the link to that.
But this is where a lot of the users, devs well joseph mainly and a few of the translation team hang out.
I also know that nimer lerks there, he hardly posts but he does lerk because he has posted from time to time.
One good thing I can say with this group is that if there are any issues if joseph is on or others they will get reported but if they can be fixed they generally will be.

On 20/08/2016 12:53 p.m., Lino Morales wrote:
Bobby I suggest you take this up with James Teh and Michael Curren.
Maybe write Joseph Lee privately also. Maybe he can offer you some incite.


On 8/19/2016 8:49 PM, Bobby wrote:
Just to let you all know I'm using the latest snap shot of nvda and I
am not happy that the Mobil mark and eva voices aren't present. Please
tell me what happened to them because they were many snap shots before
this one






Re: getting rid of the extra verbage in thunderbird

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Got it.

On 8/19/2016 1:12 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.io wrote:
hit alt and v then go to tool bars quick filter will be checked just hit enter on it and it will fix this. now and again it will come back.

On 19/08/2016 04:17, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


When I shift tab from the inbox, I get something that says "filter these
messages". Is there a way to disable it and go directly to the treeview?


Thanks in advance for your help.


Rosemarie




Re: Possible issues with JOptionPane?

 

Hi Daniel,

I have forwarded this query to developers mailing list.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of NCC Underling
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 8:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Possible issues with JOptionPane?

 

Greetings all,

I'm having issues with Java applet demo here: https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/uiswing/components/dialog.html

In my own testing, only 3 of the 15 possible dialogs announce the main dialog message. However, if I hover with the mouse pointer, or press the [NVDA]+B shortcut, then the message/warning text is annunciated.

I'd be happy to debug the issue (to some degree), but, at this stage am wondering if anyone is able to reproduce the same issue please?

I'm guessing the speech viewer simply echoes what is spoken (not what NVDA actually receives from accessible application?).

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks, Daniel


Possible issues with JOptionPane?

NCC Underling <daniel.tafili@...>
 

Greetings all,

I'm having issues with Java applet demo here: https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/uiswing/components/dialog.html

In my own testing, only 3 of the 15 possible dialogs announce the main dialog message. However, if I hover with the mouse pointer, or press the [NVDA]+B shortcut, then the message/warning text is annunciated.

I'd be happy to debug the issue (to some degree), but, at this stage am wondering if anyone is able to reproduce the same issue please?

I'm guessing the speech viewer simply echoes what is spoken (not what NVDA actually receives from accessible application?).

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks, Daniel


Re: mobil voices on nvda

Lino Morales
 

Bobby I suggest you take this up with James Teh and Michael Curren. Maybe write Joseph Lee privately also. Maybe he can offer you some incite.

On 8/19/2016 8:49 PM, Bobby wrote:
Just to let you all know I'm using the latest snap shot of nvda and I am not happy that the Mobil mark and eva voices aren't present. Please tell me what happened to them because they were many snap shots before this one



Re: mobil voices on nvda

 

Hi,
It was removed due to issues with some routines.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bobby
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 5:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] mobil voices on nvda

Just to let you all know I'm using the latest snap shot of nvda and I am not happy that the Mobil mark and eva voices aren't present. Please tell me what happened to them because they were many snap shots before this one


mobil voices on nvda

Bobby <bvinton@...>
 

Just to let you all know I'm using the latest snap shot of nvda and I am not happy that the Mobil mark and eva voices aren't present. Please tell me what happened to them because they were many snap shots before this one


Notification of recording and post production learning session tomorrow.

derek riemer
 

if you would like to learn how to edit media files in audacity, I am leading a session to teach this tomorrow on the teamtalk server at nvda-kr.org. This skill is highly valuable for post production work of the audio that is recorded at the conference. What you should bring:

1. Go to http://www.audacityteam.org/download/windows/

2. Download the installer. It should be about 23 mb.

3. Install audacity. Don't expect mme to walk you through installing Audacity, come prepared. I will not wait for team members to install audacity unless there is clearly someone struggling to install it. If you struggle to install audacity without help externally, audio editing might not be for you, because this is an extremely demanding task in terms of feeling comfortable with your computer. You should be an intermediate to advanced windows user who feels comfortable using NVDA in situations where things that you don't expect occur. This is one of the most challenging things I have ever used my computer for, even more so than some of the computer science things I've done in school.

4. Show up at the NVDA-KR teamtalk server at 3:00 P.M. Mountain time (2:00 P.M. pacific, 21:00 UTC with your computer, and audacity ready to edit.


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Re: SSH with the new windows Bash Client?

jeremy <icu8it2@...>
 

If it's the same thing that was mentioned a while ago here on list, it does work, but seems to have some of the same issues in navigating things like ncurses menus and areas such as files within nano. As with Teraterm and I assume, putty, NVDA doesn't always track the cursor correctly, so you have to use review commands to get an idea of your position sometimes. I'm not sure if this is mostly specific to recent versions of NVDA, as I know older versions worked really well with Teraterm, but I do know the latest one can be really frustrating to use with it.

How does one go about getting and using this bash console in 10, btw, as I'd certainly be willing to give it a shot. Is it something that comes in the latest anniversary update?
Take care.

On 8/19/2016 3:18 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:
Hello,
Has anyone managed to give the new windows bash client a try yet? I am waiting for my update to install. It is a very functional Ubuntu type system and that means that SSH should work.
If that is the case, no more needing to deal with partly accessible SSH clients, we will be able to use the default windows client!
Thanks,



Re: Word "Clickable" - Number of repetitions and what causes it?

Gene
 

I haven't upgraded NVDA for quite sometime here though every so often I try a new version to test something.  Evidently, NVDA still says clickable at times when the item isn't clickable.  I assume this is a design error.  It isn't just limited to Google. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Jeremy
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Word "Clickable" - Number of repetitions and what causes it?

I think the different Google pages are really strange with a screenreader, so NVDA repeating clickable as it does has never really been all that surprising for me. I can't see well enough though to play with the mouse to actually tell if there were multiple items there to click, so your observation kind of explains things. I've often wondered on other pages, if it was announcing clickable at the beginning and end of the item, reason it would say it more than once, but I end up getting annoyed by it so end up turning off that announcement.


On 8/19/2016 2:36 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

The following is a question that only the NVDA developers who handle this can answer, but this is as good a place as any to make the inquiry.

Even as a sighted user I find it confusing when I land on something that gets announced as "Clickable, clickable, clickable" when it either is clickable, but all one would have to do is click once, or when it's not clickable at all.  I am also wondering why the phrase "clickable link" gets used for some links while other links don't get the "clickable" designation, and I'm not talking about something that's stippled out.  There seems to be little rhyme or reason to how/when the designation "clickable" gets used and how many times.

As to the multi-clickable announcement, I'll give an example for an object that is not clickable at all for a sighted user.  When I go to the Gmail Settings, General Tab, I eventually can tab myself to the first part of the settings, which is Language.  I will sometimes (and I just now could not replicate even landing there) land on what looks like the label for this group of settings.  It will generally announce "clickable" three times, but there's nothing there that a sighted mouse user can click, and there's no hint as to what might be clickable there.

There are too many buttons and links to mention as I navigate through this page some of which say "clickable" when you land on them and others that do not.  There's got to be a rhyme and reason here, but I cannot easily fathom what it is.  I also think that saying "clickable link" is redundant and, if you have that rare instance where a given link is blocked, it would make more sense to announce that state of oddity than to ever announce that a link that can be clicked is "clickable."
--
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Re: Word "Clickable" - Number of repetitions and what causes it?

Lino Morales
 

I wish I knew this too Brian. One thing that annoys the crap out OF ME are frames. When their frames I hear out of i frame several times. Michael and James really need to correct this. All I want to hear is frame start or end frame.


On 8/19/2016 3:36 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

The following is a question that only the NVDA developers who handle this can answer, but this is as good a place as any to make the inquiry.

Even as a sighted user I find it confusing when I land on something that gets announced as "Clickable, clickable, clickable" when it either is clickable, but all one would have to do is click once, or when it's not clickable at all.  I am also wondering why the phrase "clickable link" gets used for some links while other links don't get the "clickable" designation, and I'm not talking about something that's stippled out.  There seems to be little rhyme or reason to how/when the designation "clickable" gets used and how many times.

As to the multi-clickable announcement, I'll give an example for an object that is not clickable at all for a sighted user.  When I go to the Gmail Settings, General Tab, I eventually can tab myself to the first part of the settings, which is Language.  I will sometimes (and I just now could not replicate even landing there) land on what looks like the label for this group of settings.  It will generally announce "clickable" three times, but there's nothing there that a sighted mouse user can click, and there's no hint as to what might be clickable there.

There are too many buttons and links to mention as I navigate through this page some of which say "clickable" when you land on them and others that do not.  There's got to be a rhyme and reason here, but I cannot easily fathom what it is.  I also think that saying "clickable link" is redundant and, if you have that rare instance where a given link is blocked, it would make more sense to announce that state of oddity than to ever announce that a link that can be clicked is "clickable."
--
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I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

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Re: Word "Clickable" - Number of repetitions and what causes it?

jeremy <icu8it2@...>
 

I think the different Google pages are really strange with a screenreader, so NVDA repeating clickable as it does has never really been all that surprising for me. I can't see well enough though to play with the mouse to actually tell if there were multiple items there to click, so your observation kind of explains things. I've often wondered on other pages, if it was announcing clickable at the beginning and end of the item, reason it would say it more than once, but I end up getting annoyed by it so end up turning off that announcement.


On 8/19/2016 2:36 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

The following is a question that only the NVDA developers who handle this can answer, but this is as good a place as any to make the inquiry.

Even as a sighted user I find it confusing when I land on something that gets announced as "Clickable, clickable, clickable" when it either is clickable, but all one would have to do is click once, or when it's not clickable at all.  I am also wondering why the phrase "clickable link" gets used for some links while other links don't get the "clickable" designation, and I'm not talking about something that's stippled out.  There seems to be little rhyme or reason to how/when the designation "clickable" gets used and how many times.

As to the multi-clickable announcement, I'll give an example for an object that is not clickable at all for a sighted user.  When I go to the Gmail Settings, General Tab, I eventually can tab myself to the first part of the settings, which is Language.  I will sometimes (and I just now could not replicate even landing there) land on what looks like the label for this group of settings.  It will generally announce "clickable" three times, but there's nothing there that a sighted mouse user can click, and there's no hint as to what might be clickable there.

There are too many buttons and links to mention as I navigate through this page some of which say "clickable" when you land on them and others that do not.  There's got to be a rhyme and reason here, but I cannot easily fathom what it is.  I also think that saying "clickable link" is redundant and, if you have that rare instance where a given link is blocked, it would make more sense to announce that state of oddity than to ever announce that a link that can be clicked is "clickable."
--
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I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    




SSH with the new windows Bash Client?

 

Hello,
Has anyone managed to give the new windows bash client a try yet? I am waiting for my update to install. It is a very functional Ubuntu type system and that means that SSH should work.
If that is the case, no more needing to deal with partly accessible SSH clients, we will be able to use the default windows client!
Thanks,


Re: getting rid of the extra verbage in thunderbird

Kevin Cussick
 

better put than I did thanks.

On 19/08/2016 04:20, Jacob Kruger wrote:
Invoke view menu, activate toolbars sub-menu, and turn off quick filter
bar.


Stay well


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Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
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On 2016-08-19 5:17 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


When I shift tab from the inbox, I get something that says "filter
these messages". Is there a way to disable it and go directly to the
treeview?


Thanks in advance for your help.


Rosemarie







Re: getting rid of the extra verbage in thunderbird

Kevin Cussick
 

hit alt and v then go to tool bars quick filter will be checked just hit enter on it and it will fix this. now and again it will come back.

On 19/08/2016 04:17, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


When I shift tab from the inbox, I get something that says "filter these
messages". Is there a way to disable it and go directly to the treeview?


Thanks in advance for your help.


Rosemarie



Word "Clickable" - Number of repetitions and what causes it?

 

The following is a question that only the NVDA developers who handle this can answer, but this is as good a place as any to make the inquiry.

Even as a sighted user I find it confusing when I land on something that gets announced as "Clickable, clickable, clickable" when it either is clickable, but all one would have to do is click once, or when it's not clickable at all.  I am also wondering why the phrase "clickable link" gets used for some links while other links don't get the "clickable" designation, and I'm not talking about something that's stippled out.  There seems to be little rhyme or reason to how/when the designation "clickable" gets used and how many times.

As to the multi-clickable announcement, I'll give an example for an object that is not clickable at all for a sighted user.  When I go to the Gmail Settings, General Tab, I eventually can tab myself to the first part of the settings, which is Language.  I will sometimes (and I just now could not replicate even landing there) land on what looks like the label for this group of settings.  It will generally announce "clickable" three times, but there's nothing there that a sighted mouse user can click, and there's no hint as to what might be clickable there.

There are too many buttons and links to mention as I navigate through this page some of which say "clickable" when you land on them and others that do not.  There's got to be a rhyme and reason here, but I cannot easily fathom what it is.  I also think that saying "clickable link" is redundant and, if you have that rare instance where a given link is blocked, it would make more sense to announce that state of oddity than to ever announce that a link that can be clicked is "clickable."
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: setting up imap email

 

Gene,

         Just as an FYI, there appears to be a steady trend away from "the gear icon" being called "Tools" these days, though that was probably the primary designator when its use first appeared.  That's what I recall, anyway.  The trend is now toward "Settings" and it's being used, in various forms but always showing a gear or gears, on multiple operating systems now, too.  The last Mac I was working with used an icon that looked somewhat like the inner workings of an old wind-up type watch, with multiple interlocking gears, for Settings.

          Even Windows 10 itself is using its own variant of the single gear icon for the settings button.   Keeping an ear out for an announcement of tools makes sense, too, but if you hear settings you can be reasonably confident that they're under a control that uses a gear or gears as its iconic presentation.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"