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Re: windows ten and nvda 2017 versions:

zahra
 

Luke,
thanks for your helping me.
i sent you email and i waiting for your help off list.

On 6/23/20, Luke Davis <luke@newanswertech.com> wrote:
You may, although since I don't regularly use that old version for other
than
testing purposes, I don't know how much help I will be. But you're welcome
to
try.

I will also note, that Espeak has definite issues under Windows 10 and
2017.3.
The longer the text you read, the more harsh and distorted Espeak becomes,
until
it reaches some threshold and resets.

Espeak is definitely not pleasant in that use case. Some people might say it

never is, but for someone like me who uses and prefers it, under 2017.3 it
is
difficult to listen to after a short time.

But you're welcome to ask your questions.

Luke

On Tue, 23 Jun 2020, zahra wrote:

thanks so much for your reply!
may i contact you offline and ask some questions in this regard?
however, my favorite version of nvda is 2017.2.
but espeak in 2017.3 is also good,
and there is no difference about espeak between these versions.


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali
Re: speaking commands

Rui Fontes
 

Quentin, have you already tried to work with NVDA in those conditions?


NVDA needs, urgently, a way to filter some keypresses from being announced...


See issues #5484, #5608 and many more...


Rui Fontes



Às 04:34 de 23/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

If you press NVDA+4, or toggle "Speak command keys" in NVDA's keyboard settings, it will speak keys such as ENTER or CONTROL+S.

NVDA doesn't automatically know that CONTROL+S is save, so it generally won't automatically announce that, however if the keystroke brings up something like a save dialog, then that would be announced (for instance the first time you press control+s in a new document in Word).

Not directly related to control+s, but there is a "clipspeak" add-on which will report the functions of some keys such as control+c (Copy) and control+v (paste) where they perform those functions: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:17 PM Grant Metcalf <the.gems@...> wrote:
I am hoping that sometime soon the NVDA developers will have NVDA speak commands such as “control-save”. I am always in doubt if I have been able to save the file I am working on. Mostly I use the text editor Notepad and very occasionally Wordpad for “RTF” files. Granpa DOS would appreciate all efforts the developers would exert toward making the very basic commands speak!
Cordially yours.
 
Listening for HIS shout!
Grant Metcalf
 


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Re: speaking commands

Chris Mullins
 

                Hi Grant

There is already a setting in NVDA which enables the speaking of commands, it is NVDA+4 on the number row.  If you use Notepad with Windows 10, there is a handy little feature which indicates if you have made any unsaved changes to the file you are working with.  If you press NVDA+t to speak the window title, you may hear the word “star” spoken before the title text is read.  This is because Notepad puts an asterisk on the title bar if the related file contains unsaved changes.  This asterisk is not present if the file does not contain unsaved changes.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

From: Aschalew Byness
Sent: 23 June 2020 03:40
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking commands

 

you can use 'nvda extention global add-on'.  it has wonderful features

including speaking of commands. it is a private add-on though.

 

On 6/23/20, Grant Metcalf <the.gems@...> wrote:

> I am hoping that sometime soon the NVDA developers will have NVDA speak

> commands such as “control-save”. I am always in doubt if I have been able to

> save the file I am working on. Mostly I use the text editor Notepad and very

> occasionally Wordpad for “RTF” files. Granpa DOS would appreciate all

> efforts the developers would exert toward making the very basic commands

> speak!

> Cordially yours.

> 

> Listening for HIS shout!

> Grant Metcalf

> 

>

> 

> 

 

 

 
Re: windows ten and nvda 2017 versions:

Luke Davis
 

You may, although since I don't regularly use that old version for other than testing purposes, I don't know how much help I will be. But you're welcome to try.

I will also note, that Espeak has definite issues under Windows 10 and 2017.3. The longer the text you read, the more harsh and distorted Espeak becomes, until it reaches some threshold and resets.

Espeak is definitely not pleasant in that use case. Some people might say it never is, but for someone like me who uses and prefers it, under 2017.3 it is difficult to listen to after a short time.

But you're welcome to ask your questions.

Luke

On Tue, 23 Jun 2020, zahra wrote:

thanks so much for your reply!
may i contact you offline and ask some questions in this regard?
however, my favorite version of nvda is 2017.2.
but espeak in 2017.3 is also good,
and there is no difference about espeak between these versions.
Re: windows ten and nvda 2017 versions:

Arlene
 

Luke, Arlene here. I had both versions of NVDA 17.2 all the way to 19 something. But when my windows 7 died I lost all versions.  The one I did get back was NVDA 19 something.  I didn’t think it would work for windows ten not unless like you said if you were testing addons. It would probably work. I would have given it to Zarah but I lost it when my 7 lost audio and died.  I did have it on a thumb drive but when I loaned the drive to my room mate while she was helping her mom they deleted it thinking it would not work for win ten.  They installed the 19 version on her mom’s ten box just as they did mine. Oh well. That’s how it goes. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: zahra
Sent: June 22, 2020 9:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows ten and nvda 2017 versions:

 

Luke,

thanks so much for your reply!

may i contact you offline and ask some questions in this regard?

however, my favorite version of nvda is 2017.2.

but espeak in 2017.3 is also good,

and there is no difference about espeak between these versions.

 

On 6/23/20, Luke Davis <luke@...> wrote:

> Arlene, Zahra is correct. I keep a copy of 2017.3 around for add-on testing,

> and its

> basic functions work quite well under Windows 10 up to, at least, Win 10

> version

> 1909.

> 

> However, essential items like the Add-on Updater, and Windows 10 App

> Essentials,

> do not work with it, unless you dig up some very old versions.

> 

> Basically it is highly inadvisable to use such an old version of NVDA on

> Windows

> 10, and there are rarely any good reasons to do so, unless you need to use

> it to

> find bugs for add-ons and things like that.

> 

> I would certainly never use it as my daily screen reader.

> 

> Luke

> 

>   On Tue, 23 Jun 2020, zahra wrote:

> 

>> nvda has support for windows ten since 2015.3!

> 

>

> 

> 

 

 

--

By God,

were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali

 

 

 
Re: windows ten and nvda 2017 versions:

Joseph Lee
 

Hi all,
To settle the matter for my add-ons and to answer possible questions:
* Can I run current add-ons on older NVDA releases: technically, yes;
practically speaking, no. This is more so if you are using an older NVDA
release that doesn't include a feature that is desperately needed by current
add-ons (Python syntax differences and libraries, for example). In case of
any add-ons I'm maintaining, unless otherwise noted, there is a limit as to
how old an NVDA release you can use with add-ons. For all practical
purposes, my add-ons require NVDA 2019.3 or later for proper functionality.
* Does NVDA 2017.3 run on Windows 10: yes and no. The first version to
support Windows 10 properly was 2015.3 (I championed for it then). Does this
mean 2017.3 works on modern Windows 10? Yes to some degree. What about
versions such as May 2019 Update? No because certain features, namely proper
support for modern input features, came with later NVDA releases. How about
Chromium Edge? NVDA 2017.3 does not properly support it - the only Edge it
is familiar with is the one that is, for all practical purposes, end of
life.
* As a follow-up, will you (Joseph) make add-ons so NVDA 2017.3 users can
use more modern Windows 10 features: a year ago I would have thought about
it. Today, despite calls for this, my answer is no. We have gotten to a
point where we cannot cross the "ocean" to return to the old world,
particularly more so since NVDA 2019.3.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2020 9:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows ten and nvda 2017 versions:

Arlene, Zahra is correct. I keep a copy of 2017.3 around for add-on testing,
and its basic functions work quite well under Windows 10 up to, at least,
Win 10 version 1909.

However, essential items like the Add-on Updater, and Windows 10 App
Essentials, do not work with it, unless you dig up some very old versions.

Basically it is highly inadvisable to use such an old version of NVDA on
Windows 10, and there are rarely any good reasons to do so, unless you need
to use it to find bugs for add-ons and things like that.

I would certainly never use it as my daily screen reader.

Luke

On Tue, 23 Jun 2020, zahra wrote:

nvda has support for windows ten since 2015.3!
Re: windows ten and nvda 2017 versions:

zahra
 

Luke,
thanks so much for your reply!
may i contact you offline and ask some questions in this regard?
however, my favorite version of nvda is 2017.2.
but espeak in 2017.3 is also good,
and there is no difference about espeak between these versions.

On 6/23/20, Luke Davis <luke@newanswertech.com> wrote:
Arlene, Zahra is correct. I keep a copy of 2017.3 around for add-on testing,
and its
basic functions work quite well under Windows 10 up to, at least, Win 10
version
1909.

However, essential items like the Add-on Updater, and Windows 10 App
Essentials,
do not work with it, unless you dig up some very old versions.

Basically it is highly inadvisable to use such an old version of NVDA on
Windows
10, and there are rarely any good reasons to do so, unless you need to use
it to
find bugs for add-ons and things like that.

I would certainly never use it as my daily screen reader.

Luke

On Tue, 23 Jun 2020, zahra wrote:

nvda has support for windows ten since 2015.3!


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali
Re: windows ten and nvda 2017 versions:

Luke Davis
 

Arlene, Zahra is correct. I keep a copy of 2017.3 around for add-on testing, and its basic functions work quite well under Windows 10 up to, at least, Win 10 version 1909.

However, essential items like the Add-on Updater, and Windows 10 App Essentials, do not work with it, unless you dig up some very old versions.

Basically it is highly inadvisable to use such an old version of NVDA on Windows 10, and there are rarely any good reasons to do so, unless you need to use it to find bugs for add-ons and things like that.

I would certainly never use it as my daily screen reader.

Luke

On Tue, 23 Jun 2020, zahra wrote:

nvda has support for windows ten since 2015.3!
Re: windows ten and nvda 2017 versions:

zahra
 

hi.
nvda has support for windows ten since 2015.3!

On 6/23/20, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi there: NVDA 17.2 or 17.3 will not work with win ten. Sorry! 19.3 will.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10



From: zahra
Sent: June 21, 2020 11:43 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] windows ten and nvda 2017 versions:



hello.

if someone have 2017.2 or 2017.3 version of nvda with windows ten,

especially version 1903, please email me off list.



--

By God,

were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali
Enhanced Touch Gestures 20.06.1 #addonrelease

Joseph Lee
 

Hi all,

 

Enhanced Touch Gestures 20.06.1 is now available. This version prepares the add-on to support future NVDA releases.

Cheers,

Joseph
Re: speaking commands

Quentin Christensen
 

If you press NVDA+4, or toggle "Speak command keys" in NVDA's keyboard settings, it will speak keys such as ENTER or CONTROL+S.

NVDA doesn't automatically know that CONTROL+S is save, so it generally won't automatically announce that, however if the keystroke brings up something like a save dialog, then that would be announced (for instance the first time you press control+s in a new document in Word).

Not directly related to control+s, but there is a "clipspeak" add-on which will report the functions of some keys such as control+c (Copy) and control+v (paste) where they perform those functions: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:17 PM Grant Metcalf <the.gems@...> wrote:
I am hoping that sometime soon the NVDA developers will have NVDA speak commands such as “control-save”. I am always in doubt if I have been able to save the file I am working on. Mostly I use the text editor Notepad and very occasionally Wordpad for “RTF” files. Granpa DOS would appreciate all efforts the developers would exert toward making the very basic commands speak!
Cordially yours.
 
Listening for HIS shout!
Grant Metcalf
 



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Re: speaking commands

Aschalew Byness
 

you can use 'nvda extention global add-on'. it has wonderful features
including speaking of commands. it is a private add-on though.

On 6/23/20, Grant Metcalf <the.gems@att.net> wrote:
I am hoping that sometime soon the NVDA developers will have NVDA speak
commands such as “control-save”. I am always in doubt if I have been able to
save the file I am working on. Mostly I use the text editor Notepad and very
occasionally Wordpad for “RTF” files. Granpa DOS would appreciate all
efforts the developers would exert toward making the very basic commands
speak!
Cordially yours.

Listening for HIS shout!
Grant Metcalf
speaking commands

Grant Metcalf
 

I am hoping that sometime soon the NVDA developers will have NVDA speak commands such as “control-save”. I am always in doubt if I have been able to save the file I am working on. Mostly I use the text editor Notepad and very occasionally Wordpad for “RTF” files. Granpa DOS would appreciate all efforts the developers would exert toward making the very basic commands speak!
Cordially yours.
 
Listening for HIS shout!
Grant Metcalf
 
Re: windows ten and nvda 2017 versions:

Arlene
 

Hi there: NVDA 17.2 or 17.3 will not work with win ten. Sorry! 19.3 will. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: zahra
Sent: June 21, 2020 11:43 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] windows ten and nvda 2017 versions:

 

hello.

if someone have 2017.2 or 2017.3 version of nvda with windows ten,

especially version 1903, please email me off list.

 

--

By God,

were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali

 

 

 
Re: Windows 10, Version 2004 and NVDA seeming a bit sluggish

Brian Vogel
 

Note:  Thread has been retitled, and original message edited, to reflect Windows 10, Version 2004, to avoid confusion.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 
Re: Windows 10, Version 2004 and NVDA seeming a bit sluggish

Sarah k Alawami
 

In a nutshell, it reregisters some dlls that might have some how become unregistered for lack of a better term. I would restart nvda, but I'm not sure if that really is necessary.

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On 22 Jun 2020, at 8:32, Dan Beaver wrote:

What does the registration tool do for me in this case?  I am ignorant.


Thanks.


Dan Beaver

On 6/22/2020 11:30 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Nope. As fawr as I can tell, and I've ben using 2004 for about a week now, nvda actually works much much faster. Did you run the registration tool found in tools?

Take care

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On 22 Jun 2020, at 7:45, Dan Beaver wrote:

My system updated to 2402 yesterday.  since then NVDA seems a bit sluggish when moving from window to window and often when cursoring quickly through lists and the like.  Is anyone else having this symptom with the latest non-beta version of NVDA and Windows 2402?


Thanks.



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Re: Windows 10, Version 2004 and NVDA seeming a bit sluggish

Dan Beaver
 

What does the registration tool do for me in this case?  I am ignorant.


Thanks.


Dan Beaver

On 6/22/2020 11:30 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Nope. As fawr as I can tell, and I've ben using 2004 for about a week now, nvda actually works much much faster. Did you run the registration tool found in tools?

Take care

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Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

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On 22 Jun 2020, at 7:45, Dan Beaver wrote:

My system updated to 2402 yesterday.  since then NVDA seems a bit sluggish when moving from window to window and often when cursoring quickly through lists and the like.  Is anyone else having this symptom with the latest non-beta version of NVDA and Windows 2402?


Thanks.



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Re: Windows 10, Version 2004 and NVDA seeming a bit sluggish

Sarah k Alawami
 

Nope. As fawr as I can tell, and I've ben using 2004 for about a week now, nvda actually works much much faster. Did you run the registration tool found in tools?

Take care

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 22 Jun 2020, at 7:45, Dan Beaver wrote:

My system updated to 2402 yesterday.  since then NVDA seems a bit sluggish when moving from window to window and often when cursoring quickly through lists and the like.  Is anyone else having this symptom with the latest non-beta version of NVDA and Windows 2402?


Thanks.



-- 
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Windows 10, Version 2004 and NVDA seeming a bit sluggish

Dan Beaver
 
Edited

My system updated to Windows 10, Version 2004 yesterday.  since then NVDA seems a bit sluggish when moving from window to window and often when cursoring quickly through lists and the like.  Is anyone else having this symptom with the latest non-beta version of NVDA and Windows 10, Version 2004?

 

Thanks.

 

 

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Re: NVDA 2020.2 Beta 1

Mário Navarro
 




 hi quentin, I do not use add-ons.

the edge version, is: 83.0.478.54
thanks
cheers.

Às 04:28 de 22/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Before I forget, which error with Edge particularly?

Ok looking at your log, there are a few errors with various add-ons.  I think not all are compatible with NVDA 2020.2 (or even Python 3?) That is why it is working when you restart with add-ons disabled.  If you disable all add-ons and re-enable one at a time until you start hitting errors you will be able to narrow down which add-ons are causing problems.

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 6:45 PM Mário Navarro <mario.gnv@...> wrote:




great work.


  Quentin, please can you tell me if the bug with MS edge was fixed?
yes, what makes NVDA  crash in html content.
I did not see anything related to this in the fixes of the new beta 1 release ...
thanks.
cheers.

Às 23:12 de 17/06/2020, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Hi everyone,

NVDA 2020.2 Beta 1 is now available for testing.

For those interested in trying out what the next version of NVDA has before it is officially released.

Visit https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2020-2beta1/ to download the beta and provide feedback.

Regards

Quentin.

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