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Re: dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Wow! This sounds like a way less complicated to putting stuff on the desktop then Brian Vogal suggested. Thanks sir.


On 8/20/2016 8:40 AM, Louis Maher wrote:

Hello Brandon,

 

I find it easier to place application shortcuts on the desktop.  This is a two-step process.  Hit the windows key, type in the application name, hit the context menu, find file location and enter on it, hit the context menu and go to the send-to menu.  Hit the desktop option.  Hit windows m to bring you to the desktop, type the first letter of the application, and you will land on it.  Note that on the desktop, once you find a and select  application, you can hit f2 and change the shortcut’s name.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 7:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

Does anyone understand how pins work in Windows 10?

I removed all the junk in hopes that fewer items would make things clearer, but it didn't I pinned a couple things to the start and in order to get to them I need to hit right arrow once and down arrow all the way to the bottom when they should be just down.

Apparently there are folders but I can't understand how they work.

Any help would be great because I would like to start using the start menu.

Thanks,



Re: Notification of recording and post production learning session tomorrow.

Roger Stewart
 

I hope there will be a recording of this as I'd like to learn more about using Audacity.

Thanks.

Roger











On 8/19/2016 6:33 PM, derek riemer wrote:

if you would like to learn how to edit media files in audacity, I am leading a session to teach this tomorrow on the teamtalk server at nvda-kr.org. This skill is highly valuable for post production work of the audio that is recorded at the conference. What you should bring:

1. Go to http://www.audacityteam.org/download/windows/

2. Download the installer. It should be about 23 mb.

3. Install audacity. Don't expect mme to walk you through installing Audacity, come prepared. I will not wait for team members to install audacity unless there is clearly someone struggling to install it. If you struggle to install audacity without help externally, audio editing might not be for you, because this is an extremely demanding task in terms of feeling comfortable with your computer. You should be an intermediate to advanced windows user who feels comfortable using NVDA in situations where things that you don't expect occur. This is one of the most challenging things I have ever used my computer for, even more so than some of the computer science things I've done in school.

4. Show up at the NVDA-KR teamtalk server at 3:00 P.M. Mountain time (2:00 P.M. pacific, 21:00 UTC with your computer, and audacity ready to edit.


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Re: Recovering from NVDA corruption

Rob
 

John J. Boyer <john.boyer@...> wrote:
NVDA will talk, but it will not use my Braille display.
Which braille display. Did you try setting NVDA to
"no braille"
and then re setting it back to your display?


Recovering from NVDA corruption

John J. Boyer
 

I have Windows 7 and the latest NVDA. I am deafblind, so I use a braille
display. NVDA was doing fine until a few days ago. then the Braille
display was disconnected accidentally. I tried turning off Windows with
the power button, waiting a few minutes and then turning it back on. The
Braille display showed a starting signal, but nothing else. My sighed
assistant reports that he can use Windows normally. NVDA will talk, but
it will not use my Braille display. He tried NVDA troubleshooting, but
the choices didn't make sense. it even asked what version of Windows we
were using. Microsoft hasn't sneaked in an upgrade to Windows 10. That
would have been immediately aparent. I would like to avoid reinstalling
NVDA. Any ideas you come up with will be welcome. i will have to explain
whatever I decide to do to my sighted assistant.

Thanks,
John

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Re: setting up imap email

 

Brian,

         I'm sorry I don't have the time at the moment to even attempt to step through the process of creating a new Google Account (and now, as Google says, it's "one account, all of Google",) but here's the direct link to the Google Account Creation Page.  You fill in quite a bit of basic information, including the userid part of the Google/Gmail address you'd like, right on that page.  It also appears that they may be allowing users to use an existing e-mail address, in full, as their Google account login identifier (much like Microsoft does for Microsoft Accounts) but that could lead to insane confusion pretty quickly.

         Since Google has been heavy into replacing Captchas with ReCaptchas I'd hope that's what they're using if anything of that sort is being used further into the process of account creation.

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Re: math-ml with NVDA

coscell@...
 

You can do it but you should need install MathType.
First edit the mathml using notepad then select all and copy into clipboard.
Next open word and paste.
If you want to read the result in braille, you have to install MathPlayer.

On Wed, 17 Aug 2016, Josh Kennedy wrote:

Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 09:47:56
From: Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>
Reply-To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] math-ml with NVDA
hi

is it possible to write equations in math-ml somehow with NVDA with word or notepad? or is it currently only possible to view math equations with NVDA?

and when i get the orbit reader 20 will the math show up as nemeth braille? or will it all be unified english braille?


Josh



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Re: getting rid of the extra verbage in thunderbird

valiant8086
 

Hi.


Yes, press escape while your input focus is on that edit box. If you need to bring it up again, I think it's ctrl+k or ctrl+shift+k.



Cheers, Aaron Spears, general Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates Developing "very good audiogames" for the blind community http://valiantGalaxy.com Sent with Thunderbird 38.5.0 portable

On 8/18/2016 11:17 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


When I shift tab from the inbox, I get something that says "filter these messages". Is there a way to disable it and go directly to the treeview?


Thanks in advance for your help.


Rosemarie



Re: dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

Gene
 

But you can define your own shortcuts when you create a short cut key.  Control alt f could be used for Firefox.  Control alt w could be used for Windows Live Mail if that is your e-mail program.
 
My point is that you can use the first letter of the name of the program and that might make remembering the command easy.  Also, you don't have to create a lot of commands for programs if you don't want to.  If you have three or four programs you open a lot more than others, you would only have those commands to remember. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

Hi Gene,

 

I have problems keeping track of all the screen reader and Windows short-cuts. Of course, if this works for people, they have that option.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 8:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Once you put a shortcut on the desktop, if you are going to use the application often, why not assign a shortcut command?  In future, you don't have to go to the desktop and move to the shortcut.  You can open the application from almost anywhere just by issuing one command. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Louis Maher

Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 7:40 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello Brandon,

 

I find it easier to place application shortcuts on the desktop.  This is a two-step process.  Hit the windows key, type in the application name, hit the context menu, find file location and enter on it, hit the context menu and go to the send-to menu.  Hit the desktop option.  Hit windows m to bring you to the desktop, type the first letter of the application, and you will land on it.  Note that on the desktop, once you find a and select  application, you can hit f2 and change the shortcut’s name.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 7:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

Does anyone understand how pins work in Windows 10?

I removed all the junk in hopes that fewer items would make things clearer, but it didn't I pinned a couple things to the start and in order to get to them I need to hit right arrow once and down arrow all the way to the bottom when they should be just down.

Apparently there are folders but I can't understand how they work.

Any help would be great because I would like to start using the start menu.

Thanks,


Re: Accessible Youtube video downloader?

 

Hi,

Thanks for the suggestions, I'll give either or both of them a try...


Re: SSH with the new windows Bash Client?

 

Hello,
So I was able to get the bash client working on my computer.
Pros:
The client works great, it is just like powershell or command prompt.
2. SSH works OK. You can read what happened with the review cursor, but there is a huge lag when typing (nvda will say the letter like half a second after you type and it is not 100%). There is no feedback for up arrow to retype commands and no feedback when letters are deleted.
Other than that things are really good! Vim could use some tweaking to be a little easier to use, but it is the best. Nano doesn't like opening existing files. NVDA doesn't read anything when you open an already existing file with nano.

Because this is pretty much a commandline, is NVDA able to modify any of these behaviors?
It would be beyond amazing if there was a text editor that had the usability of EdSharp on the bash line. Vim could be that, but I have not seen anything to show me it is faster than editing with EdSharp. Apparently it is not normal for most people to never leave their keyboard when they are typing and that is what Vim allows. But EdSharp has even faster key commands and it is a lot more user friendly.

Thanks,

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Jeremy <icu8it2@...> wrote:
If it's the same thing that was mentioned a while ago here on list, it does work, but seems to have some of the same issues in navigating things like ncurses menus and areas such as files within nano. As with Teraterm and I assume, putty, NVDA doesn't always track the cursor correctly, so you have to use review commands to get an idea of your position sometimes. I'm not sure if this is mostly specific to recent versions of NVDA, as I know older versions worked really well with Teraterm, but I do know the latest one can be really frustrating to use with it.

How does one go about getting and using this bash console in 10, btw, as I'd certainly be willing to give it a shot. Is it something that comes in the latest anniversary update?
Take care.

On 8/19/2016 3:18 PM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:
Hello,
Has anyone managed to give the new windows bash client a try yet? I am waiting for my update to install. It is a very functional Ubuntu type system and that means that SSH should work.
If that is the case, no more needing to deal with partly accessible SSH clients, we will be able to use the default windows client!
Thanks,




Re: Accessible Youtube video downloader?

Salva Doménech Miguel <kibayasd@...>
 

Hi.
You can use 4k Video Downloader for Playlists or Songr for single videos.
Cheers
Salva Doménech Miguel
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El 20/08/2016 a las 17:34, Supanut Leepaisomboon escribió:

Hey guys,

Any suggestion for Youtube video downloading program that is accessible with NVDA and still in active development? I'm currently using Pontes Media Downloader which is perfectly accessible, but the last version was in late 2014, and I've started having issues downloading playlists with tens of videos lately. Because of this, I'm thinking of finding a replacement, but I'm not aware of any programs out there that is accessible with NVDA and still in active development.



Endnotes in Word

kelby carlson
 

hello,

Is there an easy way to either (a) get a list of all of the
endnotes/footnotes in a Word document or to move from the place in the
text where there is a footnote/endnote directly to the endnote itself?


Accessible Youtube video downloader?

 

Hey guys,

Any suggestion for Youtube video downloading program that is accessible with NVDA and still in active development? I'm currently using Pontes Media Downloader which is perfectly accessible, but the last version was in late 2014, and I've started having issues downloading playlists with tens of videos lately. Because of this, I'm thinking of finding a replacement, but I'm not aware of any programs out there that is accessible with NVDA and still in active development.


Re: dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,
The reason why one uses the start menu is so you don't need to open apps to do things like your calendar, whether, news and stocks. you just arrow over those items and you hear what they are.
Thanks,

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 5:40 AM, Louis Maher <ljmaher@...> wrote:

Hello Brandon,

 

I find it easier to place application shortcuts on the desktop.  This is a two-step process.  Hit the windows key, type in the application name, hit the context menu, find file location and enter on it, hit the context menu and go to the send-to menu.  Hit the desktop option.  Hit windows m to bring you to the desktop, type the first letter of the application, and you will land on it.  Note that on the desktop, once you find a and select  application, you can hit f2 and change the shortcut’s name.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 7:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

Does anyone understand how pins work in Windows 10?

I removed all the junk in hopes that fewer items would make things clearer, but it didn't I pinned a couple things to the start and in order to get to them I need to hit right arrow once and down arrow all the way to the bottom when they should be just down.

Apparently there are folders but I can't understand how they work.

Any help would be great because I would like to start using the start menu.

Thanks,



Re: dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

Louis Maher <ljmaher@...>
 

Hi Gene,

 

I have problems keeping track of all the screen reader and Windows short-cuts. Of course, if this works for people, they have that option.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 8:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Once you put a shortcut on the desktop, if you are going to use the application often, why not assign a shortcut command?  In future, you don't have to go to the desktop and move to the shortcut.  You can open the application from almost anywhere just by issuing one command. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 7:40 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello Brandon,

 

I find it easier to place application shortcuts on the desktop.  This is a two-step process.  Hit the windows key, type in the application name, hit the context menu, find file location and enter on it, hit the context menu and go to the send-to menu.  Hit the desktop option.  Hit windows m to bring you to the desktop, type the first letter of the application, and you will land on it.  Note that on the desktop, once you find a and select  application, you can hit f2 and change the shortcut’s name.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 7:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

Does anyone understand how pins work in Windows 10?

I removed all the junk in hopes that fewer items would make things clearer, but it didn't I pinned a couple things to the start and in order to get to them I need to hit right arrow once and down arrow all the way to the bottom when they should be just down.

Apparently there are folders but I can't understand how they work.

Any help would be great because I would like to start using the start menu.

Thanks,


Re: dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

Gene
 

Once you put a shortcut on the desktop, if you are going to use the application often, why not assign a shortcut command?  In future, you don't have to go to the desktop and move to the shortcut.  You can open the application from almost anywhere just by issuing one command. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

Hello Brandon,

 

I find it easier to place application shortcuts on the desktop.  This is a two-step process.  Hit the windows key, type in the application name, hit the context menu, find file location and enter on it, hit the context menu and go to the send-to menu.  Hit the desktop option.  Hit windows m to bring you to the desktop, type the first letter of the application, and you will land on it.  Note that on the desktop, once you find a and select  application, you can hit f2 and change the shortcut’s name.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 7:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

Does anyone understand how pins work in Windows 10?

I removed all the junk in hopes that fewer items would make things clearer, but it didn't I pinned a couple things to the start and in order to get to them I need to hit right arrow once and down arrow all the way to the bottom when they should be just down.

Apparently there are folders but I can't understand how they work.

Any help would be great because I would like to start using the start menu.

Thanks,


Re: dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

Louis Maher <ljmaher@...>
 

Hello Brandon,

 

I find it easier to place application shortcuts on the desktop.  This is a two-step process.  Hit the windows key, type in the application name, hit the context menu, find file location and enter on it, hit the context menu and go to the send-to menu.  Hit the desktop option.  Hit windows m to bring you to the desktop, type the first letter of the application, and you will land on it.  Note that on the desktop, once you find a and select  application, you can hit f2 and change the shortcut’s name.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 7:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,

Does anyone understand how pins work in Windows 10?

I removed all the junk in hopes that fewer items would make things clearer, but it didn't I pinned a couple things to the start and in order to get to them I need to hit right arrow once and down arrow all the way to the bottom when they should be just down.

Apparently there are folders but I can't understand how they work.

Any help would be great because I would like to start using the start menu.

Thanks,


dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hello,
Does anyone understand how pins work in Windows 10?
I removed all the junk in hopes that fewer items would make things clearer, but it didn't I pinned a couple things to the start and in order to get to them I need to hit right arrow once and down arrow all the way to the bottom when they should be just down.
Apparently there are folders but I can't understand how they work.
Any help would be great because I would like to start using the start menu.
Thanks,


Re: Word "Clickable" - Number of repetitions and what causes it?

Brian's Mail list account
 

Often you get nested frames though and in those cases its a bit like closing brackets on maths content. Get the number wrong and your line of code won't work or stuff is done in the wrong order.
The issue for me is that there seems to be no way to know what an iframe is and which one its the end of. This gets even more confusing on some adverts where each time you access a page the ad will change and not always have an embedded Iframe. Even ad blockers seem to end up sometimes with start and ends of frames that appear empty, but are invisible to the sighted.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Word "Clickable" - Number of repetitions and what causes it?


I wish I knew this too Brian. One thing that annoys the crap out OF ME
are frames. When their frames I hear out of i frame several times.
Michael and James really need to correct this. All I want to hear is
frame start or end frame.


On 8/19/2016 3:36 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

The following is a question that only the NVDA developers who handle
this can answer, but this is as good a place as any to make the inquiry.

Even as a sighted user I find it confusing when I land on something
that gets announced as "Clickable, clickable, clickable" when it
either is clickable, but all one would have to do is click once, or
when it's not clickable at all. I am also wondering why the phrase
"clickable link" gets used for some links while other links don't get
the "clickable" designation, and I'm not talking about something
that's stippled out. There seems to be little rhyme or reason to
how/when the designation "clickable" gets used and how many times.

As to the multi-clickable announcement, I'll give an example for an
object that is not clickable at all for a sighted user. When I go to
the Gmail Settings, General Tab, I eventually can tab myself to the
first part of the settings, which is Language. I will sometimes (and
I just now could not replicate even landing there) land on what looks
like the label for this group of settings. It will generally announce
"clickable" three times, but there's nothing there that a sighted
mouse user can click, and there's no hint as to what might be
clickable there.

There are too many buttons and links to mention as I navigate through
this page some of which say "clickable" when you land on them and
others that do not. There's got to be a rhyme and reason here, but I
cannot easily fathom what it is. I also think that saying "clickable
link" is redundant and, if you have that rare instance where a given
link is blocked, it would make more sense to announce that state of
oddity than to ever announce that a link that can be clicked is
"clickable."
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it's never enough to keep up.*/

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Life in the Universe"*



Re: Word "Clickable" - Number of repetitions and what causes it?

Brian's Mail list account
 

Yes I think a link is what it says it is, ie it links to somewhere else.
Clickable is where the item has a function but it is not conveyed to the screenreader what that function is. Its obviously not a button combo box or whatever, so it defaults to clickable.
I am told, but cannot see that on some pages with multiple clickables a bar might be graphic and divided into segments of some kind but seemingly not able to be selected unless by the mouse itself.
I don't know if this is the case on your example as I've not tried it. If this is the case then this should surely fail the accessible rules unless some other way is given to get to whatever these items actually are, and since even nvda does not know what they are its hard to tell!

I have also seen sites with combo boxes that appear blank but seemingly cannot be activated unless some helpful sighted person uses the mouse, but they are still spoken as combo boxes by nvda. I guess we can never stop authoring errors and also the way some sites appear to work in one browser and not another.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 8:36 PM
Subject: [nvda] Word "Clickable" - Number of repetitions and what causes it?


The following is a question that only the NVDA developers who handle this can answer, but this is as good a place as any to make the inquiry.

Even as a sighted user I find it confusing when I land on something that gets announced as "Clickable, clickable, clickable" when it either is clickable, but all one would have to do is click once, or when it's not clickable at all. I am also wondering why the phrase "clickable link" gets used for some links while other links don't get the "clickable" designation, and I'm not talking about something that's stippled out. There seems to be little rhyme or reason to how/when the designation "clickable" gets used and how many times.

As to the multi-clickable announcement, I'll give an example for an object that is not clickable at all for a sighted user. When I go to the Gmail Settings, General Tab, I eventually can tab myself to the first part of the settings, which is Language. I will sometimes (and I just now could not replicate even landing there) land on what looks like the label for this group of settings. It will generally announce "clickable" three times, but there's nothing there that a sighted mouse user can click, and there's no hint as to what might be clickable there.

There are too many buttons and links to mention as I navigate through this page some of which say "clickable" when you land on them and others that do not. There's got to be a rhyme and reason here, but I cannot easily fathom what it is. I also think that saying "clickable link" is redundant and, if you have that rare instance where a given link is blocked, it would make more sense to announce that state of oddity than to ever announce that a link that can be clicked is "clickable."
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.
~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"