i use windows xp.
and 2017.2 and 2017.3 versions of nvda, are the best versions
according to my needs.

On 7/2/20, Davy Cuppens <davycuppens@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear mods

I'd rather advise to close discussions here about very very outdated
software versions that are nolonger supported.

Who still works with xp or MS DOS 10? These topics bring up high mail
traffic with no purpose. Who works with ios5 or 6 on his iphone? I have
absolutely no problem with waiting some time for new updates. I do this as
well as I heard that f.e. ios 13 was unstable and buggy for voiceover.; But
there is really no reason to use NVDA versions that are 3 years outdated
folks.
Regards
Davy

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2020 7:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 20.07 released, requires
Windows 10 November 2019 Update or later #addonrelease

Hi,
Actually, yes you will experience issues when using 2017.3 with Windows 10
Version 1903, as 2017.3 does not support changes introduced with Version
1903 (there are too many to list).
To reiterate my position on this (and hopefully this would be the final
time
I have to state this): as Brian (and many others) indicated, software has
finite lifetime. Windows 10, NVDA, and Windows 10 App Essentials follow
this
principle. I have no intention of making a newer add-on release work with
NVDA 2017.3, nor plan to create a version of NVDA 2017.3 that will support
new Windows 10 features (end of story, period).
Before I get off the stage, just a heads up: a future development snapshot
of Windows 10 App Essentials will drop support for NVDA 2019.3, but that
won't happen until 2020.2 release candidate comes out.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 10:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 20.07 released, requires
Windows 10 November 2019 Update or later #addonrelease

yes,
for my desired voice preferences,
the last version that i can use is 2017.3 if i find a system with windows
ten 1903, can i use 2017.3 without any major issue?
also, does nvda 2017.3 support firefox quantum efficiently?

On 7/2/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 01:42 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

The above policy also aligns with Windows as a Service concept to
some extent - a given Windows 10 release has finite support lifetime.

And it also aligns with general practice among all commercial, and the
vast majority of open-source, software developers that they will not
make any attempt at backward compatibility with an unsupported version
of an operating system, Windows or otherwise. There are times when
backward compatibility is "accidentally maintained" but it should
never be expected, ever, by intent for unsupported versions of any
operating system.

In the age of most things going in the "as a service" direction, it is
truly futile to make any attempt to stay with one thing, no matter how
much one might like it, when it has been abandoned by its own maker.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

*Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth.*

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine
Sentiment Took Hold in the United States (
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us
.html
) , September 23, 2019

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Dear mods

I'd rather advise to close discussions here about very very outdated
software versions that are nolonger supported.

Who still works with xp or MS DOS 10? These topics bring up high mail
traffic with no purpose. Who works with ios5 or 6 on his iphone? I have
absolutely no problem with waiting some time for new updates. I do this as
well as I heard that f.e. ios 13 was unstable and buggy for voiceover.; But
there is really no reason to use NVDA versions that are 3 years outdated
folks.
Regards
Davy

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2020 7:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 20.07 released, requires
Windows 10 November 2019 Update or later #addonrelease

Hi,
Actually, yes you will experience issues when using 2017.3 with Windows 10
Version 1903, as 2017.3 does not support changes introduced with Version
1903 (there are too many to list).
To reiterate my position on this (and hopefully this would be the final
time
I have to state this): as Brian (and many others) indicated, software has
finite lifetime. Windows 10, NVDA, and Windows 10 App Essentials follow
this
principle. I have no intention of making a newer add-on release work with
NVDA 2017.3, nor plan to create a version of NVDA 2017.3 that will support
new Windows 10 features (end of story, period).
Before I get off the stage, just a heads up: a future development snapshot
of Windows 10 App Essentials will drop support for NVDA 2019.3, but that
won't happen until 2020.2 release candidate comes out.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 10:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 20.07 released, requires
Windows 10 November 2019 Update or later #addonrelease

yes,
for my desired voice preferences,
the last version that i can use is 2017.3 if i find a system with windows
ten 1903, can i use 2017.3 without any major issue?
also, does nvda 2017.3 support firefox quantum efficiently?

On 7/2/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 01:42 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

The above policy also aligns with Windows as a Service concept to
some extent - a given Windows 10 release has finite support lifetime.

And it also aligns with general practice among all commercial, and the
vast majority of open-source, software developers that they will not
make any attempt at backward compatibility with an unsupported version
of an operating system, Windows or otherwise. There are times when
backward compatibility is "accidentally maintained" but it should
never be expected, ever, by intent for unsupported versions of any
operating system.

In the age of most things going in the "as a service" direction, it is
truly futile to make any attempt to stay with one thing, no matter how
much one might like it, when it has been abandoned by its own maker.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

*Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth.*

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine
Sentiment Took Hold in the United States (
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us
.html
) , September 23, 2019

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

yes,
for my desired voice preferences,
the last version that i can use is 2017.3
if i find a system with windows ten 1903, can i use 2017.3 without any
major issue?
also, does nvda 2017.3 support firefox quantum efficiently?

On 7/2/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 01:42 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

The above policy also aligns with Windows as a Service concept to some
extent - a given Windows 10 release has finite support lifetime.

And it also aligns with general practice among all commercial, and the vast
majority of open-source, software developers that they will not make any
attempt at backward compatibility with an unsupported version of an
operating system, Windows or otherwise.  There are times when backward
compatibility is "accidentally maintained" but it should never be expected,
ever, by intent for unsupported versions of any operating system.

In the age of most things going in the "as a service" direction, it is truly
futile to make any attempt to stay with one thing, no matter how much one
might like it, when it has been abandoned by its own maker.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

*Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.*

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment
Took Hold in the United States (
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html
) , September 23, 2019

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 01:42 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

The above policy also aligns with Windows as a Service concept to
some extent - a given Windows 10 release has finite support lifetime.

And it also aligns with general practice among all commercial, and the
vast majority of open-source, software developers that they will not
make any attempt at backward compatibility with an unsupported version
of an operating system, Windows or otherwise. There are times when
backward compatibility is "accidentally maintained" but it should
never be expected, ever, by intent for unsupported versions of any operating system.

In the age of most things going in the "as a service" direction, it is
truly futile to make any attempt to stay with one thing, no matter how
much one might like it, when it has been abandoned by its own maker.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

*Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth.*

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine
Sentiment Took Hold in the United States (
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us
.html
) , September 23, 2019

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 01:42 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

The above policy also aligns with Windows as a Service concept to some
extent - a given Windows 10 release has finite support lifetime.

And it also aligns with general practice among all commercial, and the vast
majority of open-source, software developers that they will not make any
attempt at backward compatibility with an unsupported version of an
operating system, Windows or otherwise.  There are times when backward
compatibility is "accidentally maintained" but it should never be expected,
ever, by intent for unsupported versions of any operating system.

In the age of most things going in the "as a service" direction, it is truly
futile to make any attempt to stay with one thing, no matter how much one
might like it, when it has been abandoned by its own maker.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

*Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.*

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment
Took Hold in the United States (
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html
) , September 23, 2019

Hi,
Add-on 17.09 isn't optimized for newer Windows 10 releases such as
April
2018 Update. Although that add-on release will read various things on
Windows 10, it won't recognize certain things added in newer Windows
10 releases.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 9:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 20.07 released, requires
Windows 10 November 2019 Update or later #addonrelease

hi joseph.
thanks so much for your support as always.
does 2017.3 reads windows ten settings, especially combo boxes and
radio buttons?
i asked because from the link which brian sent here, i studied all
changes for all versions of your addon and realized that you included
support for various windows ten settings in different versions of
windows ten app essential.
and, i realized that if i can find a system with windows ten, the last
version of your addon that i can use is addon version 17.09.

On 7/2/20, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
To answer the second question, yes 2017.3 works with Windows 10. Note
that as far as the add-on is concerned, WinTenApps does not support
2017.3 To answer Peter's question (and to expand on Brian's answer):
Windows 10 App Essentials is an add-on that improves accessibility
and usability of controls found in Windows 10, along with improving
usability of some built-in apps such as Calculator, Microsoft Store
and others. The add-on sometimes serves as an extended beta testing
facility where features under consideration for inclusion in NVDA are
tested in public e.g. support for announcing hardware keyboard input
suggestions was first made available on the add-on, then included in
NVDA in late 2018.
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 8:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 20.07 released,
requires Windows 10 November 2019 Update or later #addonrelease

thanks so much brian.
i really needed this link.also, is nvda 2017.3 really works well with
windows ten?

On 7/2/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 06:51 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

What exactly does Windows 10 App Essentials do?

A very thorough description for this add-on is provided on its page,
Windows
10 App Essentials (
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/wintenApps.en.html ) , at the
NVDA Community Add-ons website (
https://addons.nvda-project.org/index.en.html )

.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

*Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth.*

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine
Sentiment Took Hold in the United States (
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-
u
s
.html
) , September 23, 2019

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Hi,
Add-on 17.09 isn't optimized for newer Windows 10 releases such as April
2018 Update. Although that add-on release will read various things on
Windows 10, it won't recognize certain things added in newer Windows 10
releases.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 9:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 20.07 released, requires
Windows 10 November 2019 Update or later #addonrelease

hi joseph.
thanks so much for your support as always.
does 2017.3 reads windows ten settings, especially combo boxes and radio
buttons?
i asked because from the link which brian sent here, i studied all changes
for all versions of your addon and realized that you included support for
various windows ten settings in different versions of windows ten app
essential.
and, i realized that if i can find a system with windows ten, the last
version of your addon that i can use is addon version 17.09.

On 7/2/20, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
To answer the second question, yes 2017.3 works with Windows 10. Note
that as far as the add-on is concerned, WinTenApps does not support
2017.3 To answer Peter's question (and to expand on Brian's answer):
Windows 10 App Essentials is an add-on that improves accessibility and
usability of controls found in Windows 10, along with improving
usability of some built-in apps such as Calculator, Microsoft Store
and others. The add-on sometimes serves as an extended beta testing
facility where features under consideration for inclusion in NVDA are
tested in public e.g. support for announcing hardware keyboard input
suggestions was first made available on the add-on, then included in NVDA
in late 2018.
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 8:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 20.07 released, requires
Windows 10 November 2019 Update or later #addonrelease

thanks so much brian.
i really needed this link.also, is nvda 2017.3 really works well with
windows ten?

On 7/2/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 06:51 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

What exactly does Windows 10 App Essentials do?

A very thorough description for this add-on is provided on its page,
Windows
10 App Essentials (
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/wintenApps.en.html ) , at the
NVDA Community Add-ons website (
https://addons.nvda-project.org/index.en.html )

.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

*Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth.*

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine
Sentiment Took Hold in the United States (
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-u
s
.html
) , September 23, 2019

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 11:37 AM, zahra wrote:

thanks so much brian.

You're welcome.

As a general practice, though, the first thing anyone who wants to know about a given official add-on does would be to go to the NVDA Community Add-ons website and consult the page for the add-on they want to know about.  Most (though not all) are given very reasonable overview documentation there.

In addition, it is my opinion that every NVDA user should, as a matter of practice, install the Add-ons documentation add-on.  It makes access to the detailed documentation that now comes packaged with the majority of NVDA Add-ons very quick and easy to access and you'll often find the answers to your questions about add-ons much more quickly by taking a quick look at their documentation than by asking here and waiting for someone to respond (and I hasten to add that those questions are entirely appropriate, and welcome, but if speed is of the essence, you have options much more closely at hand and under your own control).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019